I know it is 90%impossible to port Sense 3.0 for SII, but Sense 3.5 is designed to meet requirements of previous HTC phones, so wouldn't it be easier to port?
I just hate TW4.0 but also love the hardware of SII and it would be great if I could have best launcher and best phone.
Zero interest in this myself,coming from a HD2 when i had a sense ROM more often than not there was always lag,only non sense based ROM's had no lag so i cant imagine this would be any different having sense on the GS2,at least with Touchwiz there is zero lag and it's fast!
SII is much more powerfull than HD2. TW4.0 is smooth but I don't like interface that want to be iOS but is not. I love sense widgets and all kind of eyecandy staff from HTC, and I would like to see it on my SII.
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SII is much more powerfull than HD2. TW4.0 is smooth but I don't like interface that want to be iOS but is not. I love sense widgets and all kind of eyecandy staff from HTC, and I would like to see it on my SII.
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Totally agreed. my friend keep showing off his HTC Sense. make me jealous.
"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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I hope so. It would be awesome to see my SII with Sense.
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"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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I really wish they would step up their game. It feels like they are a bunch of unorganised people (esp. the beta testers). The repetitive posting of rules doesn't help get interest in the project either..
why not just try GoLauncher or Launcher Pro...many widgets and themes for both launchers especially GoLauncher... i would like to see sense as well but from what i have been reading thats a dead case not gonna happen..But you never know if a serious dev goes in like DG then hopefully it might work
I think devs should rather focus on the now very soon here Android 4.0. Hopefully the Nexus Prime is a SGS2 with different software, and Google should open source it. From my experience with Sense, it's 80% eye candy. On the HD2 is was much slower than CM7 and brought little additional functionality for the extra lag. Sure the Galaxy S2 is much more powerful, but it doesn't eliminate the problems of Sense. The lag may go away, but the higher battery drain will sure be noticeable. Just try and use a launcher for the widgets, there are lots on the market.
I have a Desire HD and I want get something new, and I don't know if I should buy a new HTC flagship device or the SGS II. I run a Sense 3.5 ROM and ... It is so so function rich. I love the panorama mode in the camera, made some very nice pic already. I love those 3D widgets. But there is the screen of the SGS II... and the battery life.
If it would be possible to run Sense 3.5 on SGS II, I would buy it without a question. HTC is far ahead of any other android device manufacturer in software, and a lil bit behind Samsung in hardware performance.
... and you can't compare a SGS II to a HD2, they're not the same weight
Define what do you mean by good software software? Now as a computer science student a good software has the following features: usability, dependability, efficiency and maintainability, and some other minor but important features.
Now for sense, dependability? Heck no, seeing as I keep on reading these security issues related to their roms where user private information gets leaked to marketing websites. Efficiency? From my point of view, having half of your resources used on just the interface is simply a waste and bad coding. Usability, they sure do pass with that as they have designed a brilliant and intuitive GUI. Maintainability? Well I'd say they're doing a good job in the sense that they are keeping up with the times but I can't really make a sure judgment.
Now for TW. Dependability? I haven't heard or remember any security issue relating to TW except for the Pin code lockscreen workaround/bug for At&t's SGS2. Efficiency? Well considering only a near 1/3 of my resources are taken up, then yes? Usability, as you said it is similar to iOS UI, and iOS UI is pretty damn simple and intuitive itself, so TW is already passing. Maintainability? It is the same with HTC, I am not competent enough to make a sure judgment.
All in all i am simply countering your statement of HTC making software miles ahead of the other manufacturers, which simply isn't true. Note this done not only apply for Samsung, this applies for Nokia/Meego, Apple, Microsoft, etc.
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If it would be possible to run Sense 3.5 on SGS II, I would buy it without a question. HTC is far ahead of any other android device manufacturer in software, and a lil bit behind Samsung in hardware performance.
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If by 'far ahead' you mean 'Fire out phones as if there is no tomorrow and stop supporting handsets after 6months' then yeah...I agree...
I used to have the HTC Hero. My mate had the HTC Desire, Another mate currently has the HTC HD.
The hero stopped getting updates after 6 months (it was stuck on android 1.5 for 5months...thats right, 1.5....).
My mate with the Desire stopped getting updates after around the same time.
HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support.
It took 3weeks for me to get a reply from them via email asking if they planned on releasing 2.1 update for my Hero. And even then they didnt answer it, just sent me a generic copy and paste.
The batteries seem to become fried with HTCs really quickly also. When I first got my phone it would last 3 days, after 12 months it lasted a day and a half (after having returned it to a clean slate again, just like when I first got it).
Mates desire lost a day of use time after 9months.
and the HTC HD is getting on a bit also...(mind you, he is running all stock not rooted).
Obviously I dont know how my SGS2 battery will hold up, but at the moment I get a day and a half with all settings on/auto (wifi, 3g, autosync etc), I could stretch it to 2 easy, not bad for a dualcore 1.2ghz compared to my 518mhz hero...
Samsung make a higher capacity battery though, so at least they seem pro-active compared to HTC (when my battery deteriorates I can can get a oem replacement upgrade, HTC Id be stuck with a oem stock replacement which would be crap again after 8-12 months)
That's the reason I have swapped to Samsung.
Interfaces can be changed easily enough (home replacements, rom swaps), hardware and customer service your stuck with.
Agree with the security problems with sense though. and the lag...oh the lag...although i was only running at 518mhz...
I dont see the point in dragging sense over the SGS2 other than to be like "wooo look what we've done!", But I know some people want it so whatever lol.
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Hurry up Devs!
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I really wish they would step up their game. It feels like they are a bunch of unorganised people (esp. the beta testers). The repetitive posting of rules doesn't help get interest in the project either..
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You're totally right! These people, the Devs, who are doing this for fun (not money) should totally step up their game! I mean, why shouldn't we get upset at normal people with normal lives taking the time out of their busy days to build a product/software that we otherwise would NEVER get to try?
I totally agree with your statement! Come on Devs, why don't you please "step up your game" so we can ***** some more when we finally do get it and expect it to be the bee's knees . . . .
(Lots of sarcasm in there if you didn't catch that)
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I think devs should rather focus on the now very soon here Android 4.0. Hopefully the Nexus Prime is a SGS2 with different software, and Google should open source it. From my experience with Sense, it's 80% eye candy. On the HD2 is was much slower than CM7 and brought little additional functionality for the extra lag. Sure the Galaxy S2 is much more powerful, but it doesn't eliminate the problems of Sense. The lag may go away, but the higher battery drain will sure be noticeable. Just try and use a launcher for the widgets, there are lots on the market.
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i was running a virtuous sense rom on my G2 and didn't experience any lag.
sense on SGII would be amazing.
Seems to me that for every non-HTC user that wants HTC Sense on their phone, there's an HTC user that wants HTC Sense off their phone...
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If by 'far ahead' you mean 'Fire out phones as if there is no tomorrow and stop supporting handsets after 6months' then yeah...I agree...
I used to have the HTC Hero. My mate had the HTC Desire, Another mate currently has the HTC HD.
The hero stopped getting updates after 6 months (it was stuck on android 1.5 for 5months...thats right, 1.5....).
My mate with the Desire stopped getting updates after around the same time.
HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support.
It took 3weeks for me to get a reply from them via email asking if they planned on releasing 2.1 update for my Hero. And even then they didnt answer it, just sent me a generic copy and paste.
The batteries seem to become fried with HTCs really quickly also. When I first got my phone it would last 3 days, after 12 months it lasted a day and a half (after having returned it to a clean slate again, just like when I first got it).
Mates desire lost a day of use time after 9months.
and the HTC HD is getting on a bit also...(mind you, he is running all stock not rooted).
Obviously I dont know how my SGS2 battery will hold up, but at the moment I get a day and a half with all settings on/auto (wifi, 3g, autosync etc), I could stretch it to 2 easy, not bad for a dualcore 1.2ghz compared to my 518mhz hero...
Samsung make a higher capacity battery though, so at least they seem pro-active compared to HTC (when my battery deteriorates I can can get a oem replacement upgrade, HTC Id be stuck with a oem stock replacement which would be crap again after 8-12 months)
That's the reason I have swapped to Samsung.
Interfaces can be changed easily enough (home replacements, rom swaps), hardware and customer service your stuck with.
Agree with the security problems with sense though. and the lag...oh the lag...although i was only running at 518mhz...
I dont see the point in dragging sense over the SGS2 other than to be like "wooo look what we've done!", But I know some people want it so whatever lol.
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Hi all!
first of all, how could you compare a Hero to SGS2??
I had one for a year and was very happy with it! even if HTC didn't push the update to 2.1 very quickly I had it 3 month before with the XDA dev !!! and was working like a charm!, no lag, no massive battery drain...
secondly : "HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support." and what about Samsung???
their phones looks like Iphones!!! the plastics are craps !!! and the support is no very good to (I have 3 friends that had some problems with their Galaxy and had to wait 3 weeks before getting it back!)
each time i solicited them i get an answer in less than 2 days!
I'm on a DHD since a year now, with the runny ROM from RCteam, without this security crap, working like a charm! no lag, no battery drain, a full sense experience!
I hope for you guys to get it on your SGS2
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I know it is 90%impossible to port Sense 3.0 for SII, but Sense 3.5 is designed to meet requirements of previous HTC phones, so wouldn't it be easier to port?
I just hate TW4.0 but also love the hardware of SII and it would be great if I could have best launcher and best phone.
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+1 Urgently agree
i would like to try a sense rom on my sgs2 too. just to get the extra dropbox space XD. anyway to do it without sense 3.5?
I have hd2 with 3.5 sense and I liked. I would like to see on sgs2. My be in one day a dev will do this.
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Hey Folks,
I actually own a two years old HTC Hero. I am lovin it, but it is getting old and I have to order a new plan. My first idea was to move to a HTC Sensation, because of HTCs great improvements with HTC Sense and because of the full plastic cover of a Galaxy S2.
But now - I checked some phone reviews and I am not more sure about a Sensation. Sound quality, battery life, display quality....
Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
Are u miss Sense or a function?
What's about contacts integration?
Is it similar with a Samsung Phone? Or even better?
Do you ever want Sense back?
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
I am very thankfull for any answer...
Greets,
Chr1s
Mhm... I guess I will miss this search hardware button....
Hi
I still have a hero, and then moved to HTC HD 7 and also wanted to move to the sensation, but decided to give samsung a try and I must say I am very happy.
1.. You can update samsung firmwares as soon as they are released by a software called ODIN which is brilliant .. no rooting reqd.
2... If you miss sense you can always use launcherpro plus you can install 'agile lock' from market which is similiar to the sense 3 lockscreen.
3. I for one am happy and would highly recommend it to you.
4. If you check both forums (sensation and SGS2) they both have they pros and cons, so its ultimately your choice
good luck
PS: THanks to ODIN I am already on 2.3.4 when the official is 2.3.3 and not even rooted
I came from the Desire Z and was also considering the Sensation.
No regrets with the S2. The build is fine and I really like how light the phone is.
Can't comment on Sense as I have always run Cyanogenmod7.
As far as flashing goes, it's a whole new game so you will have to read a lot. Imo Htc devices were easier to work with.
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Hey Folks,
I actually own a two years old HTC Hero. I am lovin it, but it is getting old and I have to order a new plan. My first idea was to move to a HTC Sensation, because of HTCs great improvements with HTC Sense and because of the full plastic cover of a Galaxy S2.
But now - I checked some phone reviews and I am not more sure about a Sensation. Sound quality, battery life, display quality....
Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
Are u miss Sense or a function?
What's about contacts integration?
Is it similar with a Samsung Phone? Or even better?
Do you ever want Sense back?
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
I am very thankfull for any answer...
Greets,
Chr1s
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I bought my HTC Hero way back in Aug of 2009 and I had it for close to two years when I switched over to the beast phone that is the Samsung Galaxy S2. I was sick and tired of Sense and I wanted something that was closer to the look of vanilla android. I really like Touchwiz 3.0, obviously it isn't as user friendly as the Sense ui, but I love the simple look. I always thought this new Sense ui for the Sensation was overkill.
Seriously, people going crazy over the weather app...full screen weather effects with lifelike sound and visuals...are you kidding me? What a fcking waste of ram. I really want to know if people actually sit there and watch the rain and thunder effects...
Two things I miss, the notification LED on the Hero and the HTC keyboard. Not a fan of the Samsung keyboard.
Concerning the phsycal appearance of the phone, I love the sleek, no nonsense design. The back piece is flimsy but overall the phone does not feel cheap at all. The phone, imo feels like its steep price tag. Its just a sleek, stealthy mofo.
The Galaxy S2 is just an amazing piece of hardware, and its certainly money well spent. No buyers remorse whatsoever. Now lets just get this android 2.3.4 update and we'll be good to go.
I upgraded to a sensation. Just under 2 months later I was onto my third which also had problems, so spoke to voda and they gave me an sgs2. I have no regrets. I have used both and imo the sgs2 is way better. Mite not look or feel better but id rather have a good phone than a good looking phone.
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Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
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Yes a HTC HD2 running Android
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Not 100% what you mean here if it's "do i miss sense" then the answer is no.
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similar with syncing with GMail,etc as far as i can see
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Not particularly, HTC Sense is vastly overated and im at a loss as to understand why some people are so obsessed with it, it can be too laggy at the best of times.
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
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You mean Ice Cream Sandwich (egg sandwich)i don't know but i would assume they will when the times comes.
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
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The GS2 has gorilla glass and does not scratch easy,however after spending a small fortune on a phone it makes sense to look after it,i have a screen protector on mine and a protective case,you don't have to get these but your taking a risk,just my opinion anyway.
If you need any more info let me know.
I miss sense a lot, the contacts, friendstream widget, flashlight, dialer, sms, notification pulldown menu, usb connect menu, gallery, keyboard and a lot more they are all a lot better in sense. To be honest now that the htc bootloader is going to be unlocked I feel a bit sorry I didn't get the sensation because the sgs2, even in spite of the superior hardware (in daily use the sgs2 isn't really much faster than the desire anyway) feels like a step back from my desire
Thanks a lot for ur answers.... I will order a Galaxy S2 today....
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I miss sense a lot, the contacts, friendstream widget, flashlight, dialer, sms, notification pulldown menu, usb connect menu, gallery, keyboard and a lot more they are all a lot better in sense. To be honest now that the htc bootloader is going to be unlocked I feel a bit sorry I didn't get the sensation because the sgs2, even in spite of the superior hardware (in daily use the sgs2 isn't really much faster than the desire anyway) feels like a step back from my desire
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Yep mee too..
I really liked sense. You get the phone out of the box switch it on and everything is there and neatly integrated.
true you could have the same experience with a Samsung but that will cost you about 30 euro's on widget's / launcher in the market..
And I had to wiped my phone three times this month.. Never had to wipe the desire...
To get the same functionality that sense gave me I really had to root the phone (never even bothered to root the desire).
The screen of the SGSII is great, the hardware is great, but missing Sense is not so great. Also the volume of the Desire when on headset was way better....
But i really do like the smoothness of everything on my sammy.... (overkill of power) it's way smoother than my desiore, but hey, that phone was an uberphone one and a half year ago.....
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There _is_ a hardware search button on S II. Just long-press the menu button.
Alright, I am not here to discuss the hardware of the HTC Amaze. I am in the workings of getting a new phone obviously my choices lay between the Amaze and Galaxy S2. I have had an android phone since the G1 and now have the G2. My question (and I am not hating) even though this phone is in the early stages of its lifecycle, do you guys think that the dev support for this phone will be like it is for the G2?
I realize the hard work the devs are doing for this phone (xboarder) and like, I appreciate all the work they do, cause without them we would have nothing. If I knew half the things you guys do about the android file system I am just wondering what the possibilites are?
Please no flaming or trolling, very disrespectful.
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Alright, I am not here to discuss the hardware of the HTC Amaze. I am in the workings of getting a new phone obviously my choices lay between the Amaze and Galaxy S2. I have had an android phone since the G1 and now have the G2. My question (and I am not hating) even though this phone is in the early stages of its lifecycle, do you guys think that the dev support for this phone will be like it is for the G2?
I realize the hard work the devs are doing for this phone (xboarder) and like, I appreciate all the work they do, cause without them we would have nothing. If I knew half the things you guys do about the android file system I am just wondering what the possibilites are?
Please no flaming or trolling, very disrespectful.
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I think that most members around here would agree that the devs are waiting for ICS to be released for the Amaze before they start doing some hardcore stuff.
The ROMs are here, don't get me wrong but we only have about 3 or 4 devs by my count that are pushing out all those ROMs.
Xboarder himself has got like 4 to 5 that he already has out or is working on.
I'd like to believe that when ICS hits we would draw other devs.
Although that's not a for sure thing.
Either way, having it announced that ICS WILL come to the Amaze is enough of a reason to pick it up as your first choice, right?
To sum it all up we're waiting for ICS and true S-Off.
I'm sure with those two things in hand ROMs will take off.
Hope that helps.
I totally agree on the count of ICS, a lot of the devices are going through the same "dry spell." It does help, it nice to have a little reassurance, you know?
Thanks
The Amaze has great dev support (albeit from one, but he's awesome) but I don't think it'll be anything like the G2 was. The G2 had two main things going for it: first, it was a stock Android experience. Second, Steve Kondik (cyanogen) had told many people that he was going to be using the device as a daily driver. So many devs flocked his way. Let's just say the only reason I have the Amaze right now is because my G2 stopped working and I didn't know where to get another one. It was all the phone I needed at the time, and was trying to hold out for the Nexus.
I think the GS2 has better support for now, but that should change once ICS drops. If you really want a ton of development support, I say go for the Nexus. Me, I'm happy with the Amaze and QuickSense!
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The Amaze has great dev support (albeit from one, but he's awesome) but I don't think it'll be anything like the G2 was. The G2 had two main things going for it: first, it was a stock Android experience. Second, Steve Kondik (cyanogen) had told many people that he was going to be using the device as a daily driver. So many devs flocked his way. Let's just say the only reason I have the Amaze right now is because my G2 stopped working and I didn't know where to get another one. It was all the phone I needed at the time, and was trying to hold out for the Nexus.
I think the GS2 has better support for now, but that should change once ICS drops. If you really want a ton of development support, I say go for the Nexus. Me, I'm happy with the Amaze and QuickSense!
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Good point, I wish I could wait for the Nexas, but I am selling my G2 to a family member and I told them I would this month. <-Dilemma
What made you choose the Amaze, if you don't mind me asking? I love my HTC phones, it would be different having a Samsung.
I made the same lineage, g1 to g2. And tbh I couldn't imagine using a phone that isn't htc (quality wise), I know the dev'ing will never be @ the g2 level, but we have some awesome devs and a strong device with promise of ics.
The zero lag shutter and unified sense 3.0 ui was an easy sell for me. If Samsung had produced the all white ver. sans that terrible touch wiz at the time of my purchase I might have made a different choice.
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Good point, I wish I could wait for the Nexas, but I am selling my G2 to a family member and I told them I would this month. <-Dilemma
What made you choose the Amaze, if you don't mind me asking? I love my HTC phones, it would be different having a Samsung.
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It compared them side by side in the store and for all the hype of the SAMOLED+ screen, it kinda reminded me of the original iPhone - less pixels stretched over a bigger screen. The Amaze looked great. PPI is where it's at!
I would rather have had the Samsung from a development standpoint (no locked bootloader and such) but the screen in the GS2 sucked balls.
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It compared them side by side in the store and for all the hype of the SAMOLED+ screen, it kinda reminded me of the original iPhone - less pixels stretched over a bigger screen. The Amaze looked great. PPI is where it's at!
I would rather have had the Samsung from a development standpoint (no locked bootloader and such) but the screen in the GS2 sucked balls.
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^agreed on both counts^
Which is why I'm still considering the Nexus... no locked bootloader BS and it has an even higher PPI than the Amaze (over 300 vs ~250). The best of both worlds!
I for one believe development is doing great for the lack of open sources. The thing is that the amaze is really great straight out of the box that little development actual needs to be done except we all want custom kernels which would help our battery life and heck make it even smoother.
A lot of other phones development section has a lot of support but not all the roms and kernels being developed are being used, so you shouldn't compare and say since some phones has a lot of roms it has better support. I for one want quality over quantity.
But honestly once things are fully released for the amaze, developers will come. However, not many would want to compile a ROM or kernel from scratch like x and faux are working on. remember this phone is barely 2 months old. You'll see a huge expansion by January.
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I made the same lineage, g1 to g2. And tbh I couldn't imagine using a phone that isn't htc (quality wise), I know the dev'ing will never be @ the g2 level, but we have some awesome devs and a strong device with promise of ics.
The zero lag shutter and unified sense 3.0 ui was an easy sell for me. If Samsung had produced the all white ver. sans that terrible touch wiz at the time of my purchase I might have made a different choice.
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Can't you just install Launcher Pro (or similar)? That should replace Touchwiz.
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Can't you just install Launcher Pro (or similar)? That should replace Touchwiz.
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TouchWiz and Sense both are throughout the entire OS. Replacing the launcher only really fixes the homescreen.
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TouchWiz and Sense both are throughout the entire OS. Replacing the launcher only really fixes the homescreen.
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Ah. I thought the problem was with the homescreen arrangement. I acutally like the Sense enhancements like the extra widgets & etc.
Last month I was forced to decide between an Amaze and a Galaxy S2.
I also had a G1 and a G2. I used the vibrant for a while but i preferred my G2 mainly b/c of the keyboard. I played with the Amaze and the S2. I preferred the amaze because i would choose sense over touchwiz. And what really drew me to the amaze was the qHD resolution. If the s2 had a qHD resolution, i think i'd still be deciding what i want. Hope this helps
Hi, I have dilemma, the time has come to buy new smartphone
I know this question was considered many times but let me describe my point of view.
My adventure with smartphones started with Nokia N82 and now I have HTC Desire Z. I was really happy having Desire Z and HTC made a real impression on me. Now I am considering to buy HTC Sensation or Galaxy S2. I really liked dev support for HTC and Cyanogenmod ROM and also other ones. I didn't use stock ROM. I am reading about many positives for SGS2 like display, camera, RAM and cons like Touchwiz, display resolution.
I would prefer to choose HTC maybe beacuse I know their product, I didn't have any samsung before.
My preferences:
For me the most important is performence, customization possibilities and dev support. I don't care about outside but only what is inside. I like sometimes to grab a picture or record a movie. For sure I am using the phone for multimedia: playing, web browsing and waching films. It would be nice if some newer games could be played smoothly. And I was really impressed by HTC custom ROMs (especially CM7).
Could you give me any view for situation repsecting my preferences? I wouldn't like to miss HTC and would like to have sure I will be satisifed if choose SGS2 (it said better performance/hardware).
I hope you understand my uncertainties.
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Hi, I have dilemma, the time has come to buy new smartphone
I know this question was considered many times but let me describe my point of view.
My adventure with smartphones started with Nokia N82 and now I have HTC Desire Z. I was really happy having Desire Z and HTC made a real impression on me. Now I am considering to buy HTC Sensation or Galaxy S2. I really liked dev support for HTC and Cyanogenmod ROM and also other ones. I didn't use stock ROM. I am reading about many positives for SGS2 like display, camera, RAM and cons like Touchwiz, display resolution.
I would prefer to choose HTC maybe beacuse I know their product, I didn't have any samsung before.
My preferences:
For me the most important is performence, customization possibilities and dev support. I don't care about outside but only what is inside. I like sometimes to grab a picture or record a movie. For sure I am using the phone for multimedia: playing, web browsing and waching films. It would be nice if some newer games could be played smoothly. And I was really impressed by HTC custom ROMs (especially CM7).
Could you give me any view for situation repsecting my preferences? I wouldn't like to miss HTC and would like to have sure I will be satisifed if choose SGS2 (it said better performance/hardware).
I hope you understand my uncertainties.
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I have got the SGS2 and will be going for a HTC or Nexus next time as the devs seen to have more freedom with htc and definlty Nexus. Also if rumors are true then smartphone compinies like samsung, sony e.t.c are going to be making their phones harder to root and more closed except for googles own phone range.
Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me what is your feeling and comments about SGS2? Did you have before any HTC smarthphone?
It is a powerful phone, but no more powerful than the HTC sensation XE. The s2 fells like it could break at any moment, it would be broken by now if my wife owned it. The camera is ok, their are a lot of custom roms for the galaxy s2 as it is a popular phone, although. I do like my phone, but next time try nexus. I have has a HTC desire before and they are very solid phones.
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Hmmm to be honest, both Sensation and Sensation XE have the same type of processor and also the same amount of RAM, the only difference which I have noticed in specs is clock value 1.2 MHz and 1.5 MHz but 1.2 can be overclocked to 1.5 MHz. In that case SGS2 is winning by 1GB RAM. Hmmm hard choice.
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For SGS2 in comparision to HTC Sensation I get known:
- SGS2 salmoled display better than LCD but worse resolution
- SGS2 1 GB RAM, for HTC left 200MB RAM free on stock ROM
- SGS2 pretty nice photos, better than for HTC
- SGS2 better movie recording
- SGS2 better movies playing
- SGS2 faster GPS sattelites localization
- SGS2 10 multitouch counted, HTC only 4
- SGS2 worse built than HTC (personally prefer HTC onecast built)
- HTC "death grip" issue
- personal - no experience with samsung products
- personal - fall in love with HTC - THE MAIN REASON OF PROBLEM TO MAKE CHOICE
I've used a Sensation and quite honestly prefer the S2. Not sure what more can be done to this phone than whats out there already, runs fast, battery lasts long, has a nice camera, has a great screen. I used to have a HD2 and I loved it (And also thought nothing could beat HTC phones) theres nothing wrong with the sensation but the S2 tops so many top 10 lists and for good reason. The CM range is nice but my S2 is pretty much perfect without it so I have no strong urgency to run it
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I've used a Sensation and quite honestly prefer the S2. Not sure what more can be done to this phone than whats out there already, runs fast, battery lasts long, has a nice camera, has a great screen. I used to have a HD2 and I loved it (And also thought nothing could beat HTC phones) theres nothing wrong with the sensation but the S2 tops so many top 10 lists and for good reason. The CM range is nice but my S2 is pretty much perfect without it so I have no strong urgency to run it
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It seems you know my dilemma It is pretty convincing in case as you'r writing you also had HTC phones, I am getting more for S2
My wife has sensation.I have SGS2.
HTC wins in raw resolution, but the s2 screen is truly gorgeous. The s2 also has far better camera and is much much slicker (faster) on the ui..
the screen is the MOST used part of the phone
so choose between best colors vs best resolution
I prefer the S2. Makes all other screens seem ancient
Tomorrow I have to decide in case I am going for new phone but I've already made decision thanks to your comments, thanks. S2 won.
If you are going to go for a custom rom then you will free up most of the Ram for the HTC, as sense is the ram killer. How about going for the HTC phone and then induldge in a Samsung Galaxy Tab, or go for a the Samsung Galaxy Nexus.
The case that I am going to extend standing charge in Tmobile and they have special offer galaxy s2 or htc sensation for 0.25 E , there are some more phones but these ones are the best ones.
Was in the same dilemma. Decided on S2. Screen and better mic is why it won out. Only thing I will miss from a HTC phone is Sense. Which as above uses ram but personally I like the UI.
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Tomorrow I have to decide in case I am going for new phone but I've already made decision thanks to your comments, thanks. S2 won.
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welcome in our club
If you buy S2 I suggest to use custom luncher like go luncher ex
because touchwiz is a bit too stock by means of customization.
and for sms -> handsend sms
all the other stock bits are very good, you may never bother with custom roms
(in the first months at least)
since we are XDAers not just stock phone users, how is dev support for the Sensation compared to the SGS2? I imagine its easier to develop drivers for the Sensation even though the SGS2 is more popular overall in sales figures...
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since we are XDAers not just stock phone users, how is dev support for the Sensation compared to the SGS2? I imagine its easier to develop drivers for the Sensation even though the SGS2 is more popular overall in sales figures...
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Actually I'm not stock user but as well custom Roms, now I have Desire Z and I really apreciate all devs support and it is also for me one of the key points.
That's why I'm also asking whether support for Sgs2 is as well developed as for sensation?
I think the dev support here is fine, have no idea what the sensation section is like. But as I said before, what things can't we do with our phone due to lack of dev support? Only things I can think of are source drivers for things like ICS but tbh I wouldn't buy a phone just because it can run an update possibly 2-3 weeks early. On the whole, to me anyways the SGS2 is simply the better phone overall hence why I chose it.
Good answer thanks I am already convinced about SGS2. I was going to get it today but there was no black one in the store, only white Tomorrow I will have my SGS2
htc wont be getting that much dev support since they lock bootloaders
gs2 or galaxy nexus would be the best option for you
you can check the development section
we have cm7, cm9 , miui ggbread, miui ics, B2geeko and many others project
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/tab...fire&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Oh man... I may have to hold off on my plan to upgrade to an N7...biggest question is price... Will they charge another $500+ (that's what I paid for my Flyer), or compete with the N7 & Fire on that level too?
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Price points closer to Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire seems like a more feasible marketing tact than taking the "high road" which clearly did not work for the "original" Flyer.
I'm willing to pay more for a higher quality product. But the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet price seems to be the popular business model these days. Low price has resulted in big sales, and popularity has its perks, as more popular devices get better development, and also better support from accessory manufacturers.
I'm not quite ready to upgrade from the Flyer. But if I were, the Nexus 7 would be the lead candidate, and like the OP a new tablet from HTC would possibly be worth considering.
We'll find out on 19th of September
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We'll find out on 19th of September
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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Good to know I'm not alone in that opinion
If they'd release it with Scribe and Sense for tablets, it would be great for us as well. Should it get momentum, we could maybe receive an update a-la Galaxy Note 1 users. They just got an update to make the Note 1 UI look more like the Note 2.
I for one have learned the lesson and will never buy a non nexus branded device again. I think that manufacturers need to rethink their strategies and make sure that the devices they offer are easy to upgrade.
If they find no profit in upgrading their existing devices to the latest version of android they should offer an offline image to be downloaded (from e.g htc-dev.com) for a smaller fee. If ICS or JB was available for purchase from HTC I would seriously consider buying it.
The smartphone market is still relarively young but I don´t think it will take long before the market settles and becomes more like pc´s. People don´t want to buy a $500 device that is outdated, software wise, in less than a year.
Nexus is the way to go and I´m sure that Google will prove it soon enough.
HTC's sales are down again, -4% month to month. They are hurting and clearly have not yet learned the lessons.
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
2. Streamline your GUI so that it does NOT hamper your ability to provide Android updates on time and for phones your customers actually own.
3. Remember most customers are stuck with a phone / tablet for 1.5 to 2 years ,not just 4 months.
4. Stop spending millions on PR gimmicks ($300 million on beats audio and you don;t even get a headset with a new phone) and spend a little on updating your current customers.
5. Provide innovation and stop being cheap and screwing your customers and maybe, just maybe they will come back.
I"m betting HTC learned nothing and will price the next tablet with stylus in the range of the Samsung 10.1 Note. ($499) , not the N7 ($199). Let's see.
Killerskincanoe posted this in the "Flyer 2 pics" thread. I thought I'd share here as well... Hopefully they're listening!
http://m.facebook.com/questions/253251231444306/
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1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
I think ics/jellybean on HTC devices strips everything appearance wise that was appealing about ics/jellybean. Sense is very stail. Personally I feel the new HTC devices feel behind the counterparts in the market. Just a personal opinion though
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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Agree with this. Having recently ditched my flyer for a Nexus 7 and ditched sense on my HOX for cyanogenmod I have to say that the ICS/JB interface is so much fresher than sense, simpler and probably more intuitive. Sense kind of misses the point of android for me by sticking in a load of apps that few people will want or use (sure the weather app is pretty but how about letting me chose if I want it or not?). If it's sense thats responsible for HTC's naff update policy then it should be ditched, or stripped back even further. Frankly the only things I liked about it were the flip clock which is easily replaced, and HTCs contacts app which always handled integration with other apps so well. HTC should look at customer service, build quality and style if they want to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers rather than relying on sense. The HOX for example is (in my opinion, and those of many reviewers) the best looking phone on the market. That differentiates it enough for me, and with "stock" JB on there it flies and feels like a very current device.
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS, the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally
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Have you spent much time on Sense 4 or the One X? To each his own, of course. But I find the opinion that Sense hasn't changed in 2 years, impossible to believe. Sense 4 behaves nothing like the previous version of Sense, much less versions from 2 years ago. And while some of the core aesthetics have been maintained (HTC wants Sense to look a certain way, obviously) many things are overhauled and in significant ways. Much more so than AOSP JB and ICS, in my opinion.
I've never had a single browser crash that I can recall (although the browser is a bit slow), having owned the One X since release in May. And I think the AOSP messaging app is ugly as hell compared to the HTC client (completely subjective, of course). This is coming from someone that has spent a good amount of time on AOSP ROMs on past HTC devices, as well as almost always used 3rd party SMS apps and launchers while on Sense ROMs in order to dodge the HTC versions. But on the One X, for the first time on an HTC device, Sense has really come around and provided a completely fluid, nice looking, and very usable interface. Whether its "better" than AOSP or not is completely subjective. But to say it hasn't changed in 2 years is nuts to me.
You guys are probably already aware, but speaking of the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet pricing: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/06/amazon-kindle-fire-2012/
With Amazon and Google continually "lowering the bar" on price, its less and less likely that HTC will be able to take the high road and stay competitive. They might not be able to match prices like $159 and offer the quality of hardware they are known for. But they might have to try to stake some territory in the "middle ground" as the number of people willing to spend $500 on a tablet that is not an iPad grows slimmer and slimmer.
Being totally honest.. the only thing I hope from a Flyer 2 is a stable JB rom for my regular Flyer.
My flyer makes me happy in a lot of ways.. the one "depressing" thing about my flyer is the god awful honeycomb task manager.
I don't need the absolute latest and greatest hardware when my flyer can do everything I want it to do barring, google chrome and having a decent task manager.
I live in Australia and we have UMTS 850 and 2100 so I can use the DNA, J Butterfly or International Butterfly, however I notice all of the developer support going out to the DNA and not the Butterfly. Will the same development work on both, for example kernel and ROM? The support already looks slow enough as it is, let alone none at all if I choose the wrong model! I wonder why there is no Butterfly sub section?
Is development always this slow for this phone or is it because it is a new device?
Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Thanks for that. I was at my local shops today about to purchase the Note 2, however it is too much like my last 3 phones SGS 1,2,3 and it was very uncomfortable to handle due to the nature of it's size. I was then looking at the Nexus 4 online and now the Droid DNA. I am having a hard time deciding on 1. I am blown away by all of the development for Nexus 4 and the front bezel looks sexy!. It is really sad to see little developers for DNA! - I am not used to little support, coming from a Samsung. I know for certain if the DNA threads were busier I would not hesitate to choose it over the Nexus 4.
the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
Justin
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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If you go into the advanced development settings menu, you can raise the animation speed from 1 to .5 and it makes it more like TW animation speed. :good:
MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also taught me that software support is far superior as opposed to a slight advantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
If not that why don't you Terry xperia z atm i don't really know about that line of phones but i only hear good things even from our beloved cody back at the sammy forums.
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Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
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Awesome! I already had the SGS 1 and 2. I then followed suit and bought the SGS 3. The phone was way too similar to the SGS 1 and 2. I got bored of it extremely fast, which was a first for me in a long time. I decided to flash a Samsung based ROM with AOSP apps, which I thought was pretty good for about a day and then flashed Paranoid, CM10.1 and AOKP over the next couple of weeks. I eventually just got sick of the look and feel of the device being too familiar to me.
At this point the nexus was the 1 and only phone for me....... I first thought. After using it for a while it didn't seem like the screen was even any bigger than even my SGS 2 as it loses so much screen real estate because of the OSKeys and it certainly didn't feel like an upgrade from the SGS 3, besides the fact it was extremely polished and fast being vanilla.
However, the thermal throttling and screen size pushed me away (Not to mention I was scared about the resell value if it eventually does come back in stock). So naturally I starting looking at the Note 2 (Which mind you is fantastic, but after using my friends over a weekend, I just found it to be so much like the SGS 1,2,3 in design and feel, with that same familiar Samsung feeling. Also it was very hard for me to handle while doing my day to day tasks. I did have a final play with it at the shops and it really just felt too strange to handle.
I am now taking a gamble on the DNA but oh well, it is selling in Australia for a lot more so I know if I want to resell it I won't lose any money! The screen looks brill and the muscle car chassis is dangerously gorgeous. I have never liked HTC phone after my previous attempts but fk it. At least I can give a complete comparison to others later on
Honestly, all of this fuss just for a phone which I will most likely sell to buy an Xperia Z or another 5"1080p phone by the second half of this year with perhaps the Adreno 330 or perhaps a comeback by Tegra? Who knows what the year will bring. All I know is their is a lot of competition that has yet to arrive from Sony, Oppo, Motorola, Acer, Asus.... and so on!
P.S It was refreshing to actually see some movement in the thread!
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For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also thought me that software support is far supurior as opposed to a slight asvantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
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Hey bart. Been a while mate. I don't think we have spoken since my fantastic post about the history of CheckROM and it's developers.
As for the N4, Been there already man. I loved the Nexus 4 for that pure clean experience. Above is my reasoning as to why I chose to leave it.
Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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bartoloandre98 said:
Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Yeah well the grass is never greener If you read my long boring post above from start to finish you would have seen me mention the Xperia Z near the end of the thesis
I am now again looking at buying the Droid DNA due to being screwed around by previous seller! I wanted to ask this: Everywhere seems to state that the Droid DNA is network unlocked. Is this true? If it is then why are people sometimes stating on eBay that only GSM will work and no DATA outside of Verizon and the US! (I live in Australia and this is obviously important)
I am seriously getting so confused because of mixed seller listings. Some people say it is factory unlocked and some people say it is locked to Verizon. What is the deal? Also if the phone has a bad ESN or they fail to make a payment later on down the track and it does become bad, does this mean it will stop working in Australia or is it solely based around US and Verizon in general?
About the seller on eBay, I have now been refunded my money for my recent transaction. The seller did not mention that the device didn't come with it's box, instructions, charger etc. He also has no intention of mentioning it because he has relisted it without even indicating it. He is just trying to get an international buyer to deal with it is my guess. It was just a handset and a case. Very misleading, I am lucky that I confirmed with him just before he was selling it. It was one of those buy it nows that need to be paid upfront.
Thanks guys