Does our Photons support this? Read an article that part of Sprints Oct 7th announcement is that they are going to upgrade the 3g network also to EvDO Rev B. Since any 4G coverage here is half way across town, I could handle getting this upgrade till 4G coverage is more wide spread.
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/sprint-upgrading-existing-3g-coverage-area-to-evdo-rev-b-october-7th/
The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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I'll take a look at that once I get my MSL!
Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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What about the airvana?
Neither one support revB. I periodically try and still nothing.
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if your in airvana why aren't you using wifi?!
Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Yes it should. Any phone since 2009 should support it lol
with this phone (LG Marquee) dropping with only 3G this maybe they will be upgrading to REV B...
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yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
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Actually my 3G speeds aren't that bad now. Good enough to stream Netflix and a few music apps I use with no problems. Main reasons for wanting higher speeds is from hot spot being used with my A500
My 3G speeds in most of East TN are good, not great but good enough. Better usually than what I had on my blackberrys on Verizon.
I can only get 4G on this 2 mile stretch of road that I only see once every other month. So having evdo revB would be a dream come true, given I will probably not ever see it directly in my rural area, maybe in the adjoining cities.
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Just a thought, with sprints announcement in October - even though it will never happen. It would be nice if they said, they were updating to EVDO rev B and that most cell sites in the country are already upgraded and it was just a matter of flipping the switch, that day so there wouldn't be a wait for a roll out. /dream
I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I hope you are right!!
The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the benefits of 1X-Adv. is the ability to do simultaneous voice and 3G data. I think it's one of the main reasons Verizon is now trying to implement it - as a response to all the those AT&T commercials.
I have not seen any evidence yet that confirms that the Photon supports 1XAdv/EVDOrevB though.
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The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
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The channel has to be unlock using QXDM software.
Does any one knows how to use QXDM?
My area has a rev.B network but im still dont understand how to unlock 3 channel to my HTC EVO 3D Phone using QXDM.
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so i just got off the phone with t-mobile, and i was informed that they are getting 4G in a few months. i wonder if its tRu
The g2 has data speeds as quick or quicker than what other providers refer to as 4g. I don't care what you call it though... If it's fast it's fast.
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would it make a difference? probably not in may case anyways.. i barely get 3G connections around my area..
I thought they are calling it HSPA+? You can go to t-mobile website to see if you are getting it soon. Unfortunately, they have not announced coverage for me. And the G2 is the only phone that can run HSPA+? So either way vibrant users are out of luck. I've also heard that it's not that much faster than 3G...can't remember where though.
Your TMO rep is an idiot. He said 4G because nobody has heard of HSPA+.
4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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Not true at all.
4G = 4th generation = the 4th generation of wireless data technology....
GPRS > EDGE > 3G > 4G/LTE
-bZj
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
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LTE, WiMax is all branded 4G but I don't think 4G it self is a technology.
HSPA+ is a new technology which is evo from HSPA (3G), but if LTE can call itself 4G why can't HSPA+?
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Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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YES!! Norfolk VA coming soon!! Now to decide on getting the G2 or waiting on the myTouch HD?? Decisions Decisions..
There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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Yea that's what I was thinking. I'm hearing about too many problems with the G2. What Great Bridge tower you getting 5 megs out of? I live in Chesapeake and the most I've gotten was between 1.5 and 2.0 megs down in this area.
This totally fits under Vibrant Accessories wtf not to thread bash but wouldn't it be better elsewhere.
If you put [Q] in the subject of your thread do you really think it belongs in Accessories? I mean its not like it matches the sub: Q&A or anything :/
This page will tell you all about the new HSPA+ network.:
http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/
If you scroll down youll see a mini map of the US on the left and under it a link that says "Learn more about HSPA+"
when you click it you'll see the area's that have already been upgraded along with the area's that are soon going to be upgraded.
I even attached a picture of the coverage map... I don't understand why people keep talking about this like its a secret/not real....
when a company comes out with something that other companies don't have, or even just something new that other companies do have either way they promote it...
1 look at tmobile.com and most questions are answered. With that much info on this subject this thread and the 50 others about the same thing should be dead... but thats just my opinion :/
MAP: Pink: Upgraded | Blue: Coming Soon
im in the pink.. I know, it sounds bad, but it feels good.
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HSPA+ is available limitedly on several phones already out the Vibrant included if you check signal under status u will sometimes see ur connected at those speeds but it will only show 3g the Touch Pro 2 / HD2 / MyTouch Slide and a few other phones will also get the limite HSPA+. The G2 is just the first to the the full HSPA+ and T-Mobile shall be calling it 4g soon.
Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Most likely the speed increase is NOT from hspa+ but from jobs done on the tower backend that increased the hard line capacity, aka internet bandwidth.
I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
Sprint 800mhz
What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
So rumor has it that Sprint could possibly announce on Oct 7th that they will implement EVDO Rev B. My question is, is the Photon contain a chip capable of supporting EVDO Rev B?
Anyone know the radio chip that the Photon uses from Qualcomm?
It is probable yes. Pretty much all newer chipsets should support it though we will need a software update.
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Check out the epic touch general there is a 14 page thread on the subject looking like they got the short end of the stick on rev b
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Check out the epic touch general there is a 14 page thread on the subject looking like they got the short end of the stick on rev b
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Haha. That would make my day. I would not put it past Samsung. They make good displays, but that is about it. Anyone feel like trolling over there??
Go Advanced
Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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Read the box photon supports the 800Mhz bands
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Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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It is not called "Go Advanced", the upgrade past EVDO Rev B is called "DO-Advanced" which is a software upgrade but it doesn't increase the speeds of Rev B but rather it adds very useful techniques to optimize data load from towers.
Second the lack of 800 Mhz band in the Photon is not a big deal to me. The reason being is that Sprint won't start putting CDMA on the 800 Mhz ESMR band until sometime in 2013. By then we would qualify for a new phone and I am sure handsets beginning in late 2012 will begin to have 800 Mhz support if they haven't already (ex: Evo 3D). Even though the Photon box says 800 Mhz, if you look at the FCC documents, it doesn't show any tests done in the 818-824 Mhz or 862-869 Mhz range which is the ESMR band but rather it just shows the 825-850 Mhz which is used by Verizon and AT&T.
Overall I care more about the Photon having EVDO Rev B capability because we know LTE on Sprint won't come anytime soon and I need those increased 3G speeds since 4G is pretty flaky in LA. The 800 Mhz thing doesn't bother me that much since I get pretty reception on Sprint already and can easily roam on Verizon if needed.
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Not the 800Mhz that Sprint owns.
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It is not called "Go Advanced", the upgrade past EVDO Rev B is called "DO-Advanced" which is a software upgrade but it doesn't increase the speeds of Rev B but rather it adds very useful techniques to optimize data load from towers.
Second the lack of 800 Mhz band in the Photon is not a big deal to me. The reason being is that Sprint won't start putting CDMA on the 800 Mhz ESMR band until sometime in 2013. By then we would qualify for a new phone and I am sure handsets beginning in late 2012 will begin to have 800 Mhz support if they haven't already (ex: Evo 3D). Even though the Photon box says 800 Mhz, if you look at the FCC documents, it doesn't show any tests done in the 818-824 Mhz or 862-869 Mhz range which is the ESMR band but rather it just shows the 825-850 Mhz which is used by Verizon and AT&T.
Overall I care more about the Photon having EVDO Rev B capability because we know LTE on Sprint won't come anytime soon and I need those increased 3G speeds since 4G is pretty flaky in LA. The 800 Mhz thing doesn't bother me that much since I get pretty reception on Sprint already and can easily roam on Verizon if needed.
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Very good response. Now we just need an official statement that Sprint is in fact implementing Rev B. Thank you.
+1 lmao
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Haha. That would make my day. I would not put it past Samsung. They make good displays, but that is about it. Anyone feel like trolling over there??
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From what I read it's confirmed capable...
http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/416536-photon-evdo-rev-b-compatible.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/58235?tstart=0
Woooooo nice
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From what I read it's confirmed capable...
http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/416536-photon-evdo-rev-b-compatible.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/58235?tstart=0
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Moto photon
Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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I think that we are all hoping for a simple software upgrade for the phones.
Now it may take a bit of time for it to roll out to the towers- best guess is there are some cards on the towers that need to be upgraded, but hopefully they have already begun this process with the inevitable iPhone launch in October.
Sprint is pretty bad about keeping promises I hope that they have at least some rev B coverage available when they announce it.
I doubt it will take years or they wouldn't have even bothered since they should have LTE coverage by 2014.
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I think that we are all hoping for a simple software upgrade for the phones.
Now it may take a bit of time for it to roll out to the towers- best guess is there are some cards on the towers that need to be upgraded, but hopefully they have already begun this process with the inevitable iPhone launch in October.
Sprint is pretty bad about keeping promises I hope that they have at least some rev B coverage available when they announce it.
I doubt it will take years or they wouldn't have even bothered since they should have LTE coverage by 2014.
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LTE may be released in 2012. Rumor has it. CNET says it. Read new LTE Post
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Who knows if this is official or not, but it looks like rev b is out of the picture.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/341325#341325
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Who knows if this is official or not, but it looks like rev b is out of the picture.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/341325#341325
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Check out my response at the end of that thread to see what I think of where Sprint seems to be headed...
Well this just sucks. 3g is awful here and there is no hope for 4g. I am regretting my decision to stay with sprint. Unlimited data is worthless if its so slow i can't really use it.
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Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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Full Rev B deployment involves 2 phases. Phase I is a software upgrade at the towers to improve speeds of up to 9.3 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up. Phase II is a hardware channel card upgrade at the towers which will further improve speeds to 14.7 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up.
For now, Sprint should try to implement Phase I as part of Network Vision which is a software upgrade to see if this will appease the abysmal 3G speeds. I would love to see Sprint implement full Rev B performing Phase I and Phase II because I still see 3G being in the US for a while still. Official 4G which is LTE Advanced will not be completely finished until 2015-2016.
Please refer to the pdf presentations below for more information.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products-services/wireless-networks/ev-do-revb
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Full Rev B deployment involves 2 phases. Phase I is a software upgrade at the towers to improve speeds of up to 9.3 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up. Phase II is a hardware channel card upgrade at the towers which will further improve speeds to 14.7 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up.
For now, Sprint should try to implement Phase I as part of Network Vision which is a software upgrade to see if this will appease the abysmal 3G speeds. I would love to see Sprint implement full Rev B performing Phase I and Phase II because I still see 3G being in the US for a while still. Official 4G which is LTE Advanced will not be completely finished until 2015-2016.
Please refer to the pdf presentations below for more information.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products-services/wireless-networks/ev-do-revb
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Yeah, but it sounds as if they aren't going to do any of the rev b updates. Instead they are only working on 4g lte which is going to leave 85 percent of us with awful 3g speeds if they only have 4g in the large cities. Not happy.
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Yeah, but it sounds as if they aren't going to do any of the rev b updates. Instead they are only working on 4g lte which is going to leave 85 percent of us with awful 3g speeds if they only have 4g in the large cities. Not happy.
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While I understand your frustration, look at it from Sprint's perspective for a moment. They get much more bang for their upgrade $$$ if they focus on large cities first.
If they up the bandwidth to Rev B, not saying they will, there's more than turning up the software. There's also the matter of tower backhaul bandwidth needing to increase. Not the end of the world, but if you increase the consumer bandwidth capability you need to increase the backhaul or it becomes the bottleneck.
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I work for an MSO, and my employer provides backhauls to some cellular companies. I work in a different customer facing area.
AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
ram8704 said:
AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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No, because the Atrix is not an LTE phone.
It might improve if AT&T's network were overly saturated and, with the roll out of LTE, they enhanced their internal network with faster links. But I certainly wouldn't expect miracles.
Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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Swiftks said:
That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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3gs capable. x_X
I have questioned "tech support" reps on the phone about this. They falsely claim that ATRIX will do lte. However the ethereal "backhaul" and broadband upgrades may have the switch flipped. So I think we may see some network improvements in some areas as they upgrade existing towers and deploy new technology.
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They'd have to add backhaul to enable LTE too, as previously mentioned which means more FauxG in more areas. One could argue that lighter hspa congestion would allow us to get closer to our theoretical limit, however for that to happen we would have to see a significant portion of AT&T s subscribers change to LTE and you would only enjoy that bump in areas serviced by AT&T.
So if you sat in a two year time capsule...yes, you would see higher rates, though they still wouldn't be anywhere as fast as LTE.
Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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yousefak said:
Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down