So rumor has it that Sprint could possibly announce on Oct 7th that they will implement EVDO Rev B. My question is, is the Photon contain a chip capable of supporting EVDO Rev B?
Anyone know the radio chip that the Photon uses from Qualcomm?
It is probable yes. Pretty much all newer chipsets should support it though we will need a software update.
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Check out the epic touch general there is a 14 page thread on the subject looking like they got the short end of the stick on rev b
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criptix said:
Check out the epic touch general there is a 14 page thread on the subject looking like they got the short end of the stick on rev b
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Haha. That would make my day. I would not put it past Samsung. They make good displays, but that is about it. Anyone feel like trolling over there??
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Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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Read the box photon supports the 800Mhz bands
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Actually I'm less worried about EVDO Rev B. then I am about something called "Go Advanced" (at least that is what I believe it is called.) I've heard that Sprint may not be going the Rev B route but instead implementing an LTE network in the 800Mhz band. If that is the case, our Photon's will not be a part of it (we do not have an 800Mhz radio but the 3D and E4GT do.) :-(
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It is not called "Go Advanced", the upgrade past EVDO Rev B is called "DO-Advanced" which is a software upgrade but it doesn't increase the speeds of Rev B but rather it adds very useful techniques to optimize data load from towers.
Second the lack of 800 Mhz band in the Photon is not a big deal to me. The reason being is that Sprint won't start putting CDMA on the 800 Mhz ESMR band until sometime in 2013. By then we would qualify for a new phone and I am sure handsets beginning in late 2012 will begin to have 800 Mhz support if they haven't already (ex: Evo 3D). Even though the Photon box says 800 Mhz, if you look at the FCC documents, it doesn't show any tests done in the 818-824 Mhz or 862-869 Mhz range which is the ESMR band but rather it just shows the 825-850 Mhz which is used by Verizon and AT&T.
Overall I care more about the Photon having EVDO Rev B capability because we know LTE on Sprint won't come anytime soon and I need those increased 3G speeds since 4G is pretty flaky in LA. The 800 Mhz thing doesn't bother me that much since I get pretty reception on Sprint already and can easily roam on Verizon if needed.
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Read the box photon supports the 800Mhz bands
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Not the 800Mhz that Sprint owns.
ericdabbs said:
It is not called "Go Advanced", the upgrade past EVDO Rev B is called "DO-Advanced" which is a software upgrade but it doesn't increase the speeds of Rev B but rather it adds very useful techniques to optimize data load from towers.
Second the lack of 800 Mhz band in the Photon is not a big deal to me. The reason being is that Sprint won't start putting CDMA on the 800 Mhz ESMR band until sometime in 2013. By then we would qualify for a new phone and I am sure handsets beginning in late 2012 will begin to have 800 Mhz support if they haven't already (ex: Evo 3D). Even though the Photon box says 800 Mhz, if you look at the FCC documents, it doesn't show any tests done in the 818-824 Mhz or 862-869 Mhz range which is the ESMR band but rather it just shows the 825-850 Mhz which is used by Verizon and AT&T.
Overall I care more about the Photon having EVDO Rev B capability because we know LTE on Sprint won't come anytime soon and I need those increased 3G speeds since 4G is pretty flaky in LA. The 800 Mhz thing doesn't bother me that much since I get pretty reception on Sprint already and can easily roam on Verizon if needed.
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Very good response. Now we just need an official statement that Sprint is in fact implementing Rev B. Thank you.
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Haha. That would make my day. I would not put it past Samsung. They make good displays, but that is about it. Anyone feel like trolling over there??
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From what I read it's confirmed capable...
http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/416536-photon-evdo-rev-b-compatible.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/58235?tstart=0
Woooooo nice
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From what I read it's confirmed capable...
http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/416536-photon-evdo-rev-b-compatible.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/58235?tstart=0
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Moto photon
Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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I think that we are all hoping for a simple software upgrade for the phones.
Now it may take a bit of time for it to roll out to the towers- best guess is there are some cards on the towers that need to be upgraded, but hopefully they have already begun this process with the inevitable iPhone launch in October.
Sprint is pretty bad about keeping promises I hope that they have at least some rev B coverage available when they announce it.
I doubt it will take years or they wouldn't have even bothered since they should have LTE coverage by 2014.
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I think that we are all hoping for a simple software upgrade for the phones.
Now it may take a bit of time for it to roll out to the towers- best guess is there are some cards on the towers that need to be upgraded, but hopefully they have already begun this process with the inevitable iPhone launch in October.
Sprint is pretty bad about keeping promises I hope that they have at least some rev B coverage available when they announce it.
I doubt it will take years or they wouldn't have even bothered since they should have LTE coverage by 2014.
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LTE may be released in 2012. Rumor has it. CNET says it. Read new LTE Post
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Who knows if this is official or not, but it looks like rev b is out of the picture.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/341325#341325
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Who knows if this is official or not, but it looks like rev b is out of the picture.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/341325#341325
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Check out my response at the end of that thread to see what I think of where Sprint seems to be headed...
Well this just sucks. 3g is awful here and there is no hope for 4g. I am regretting my decision to stay with sprint. Unlimited data is worthless if its so slow i can't really use it.
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Is rev b one of those deals where it's going to take months or years to fully implement or is it going to be a simple software upgrade?
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Full Rev B deployment involves 2 phases. Phase I is a software upgrade at the towers to improve speeds of up to 9.3 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up. Phase II is a hardware channel card upgrade at the towers which will further improve speeds to 14.7 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up.
For now, Sprint should try to implement Phase I as part of Network Vision which is a software upgrade to see if this will appease the abysmal 3G speeds. I would love to see Sprint implement full Rev B performing Phase I and Phase II because I still see 3G being in the US for a while still. Official 4G which is LTE Advanced will not be completely finished until 2015-2016.
Please refer to the pdf presentations below for more information.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products-services/wireless-networks/ev-do-revb
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Full Rev B deployment involves 2 phases. Phase I is a software upgrade at the towers to improve speeds of up to 9.3 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up. Phase II is a hardware channel card upgrade at the towers which will further improve speeds to 14.7 mbps down and 5.4 mbps up.
For now, Sprint should try to implement Phase I as part of Network Vision which is a software upgrade to see if this will appease the abysmal 3G speeds. I would love to see Sprint implement full Rev B performing Phase I and Phase II because I still see 3G being in the US for a while still. Official 4G which is LTE Advanced will not be completely finished until 2015-2016.
Please refer to the pdf presentations below for more information.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products-services/wireless-networks/ev-do-revb
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Yeah, but it sounds as if they aren't going to do any of the rev b updates. Instead they are only working on 4g lte which is going to leave 85 percent of us with awful 3g speeds if they only have 4g in the large cities. Not happy.
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Yeah, but it sounds as if they aren't going to do any of the rev b updates. Instead they are only working on 4g lte which is going to leave 85 percent of us with awful 3g speeds if they only have 4g in the large cities. Not happy.
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While I understand your frustration, look at it from Sprint's perspective for a moment. They get much more bang for their upgrade $$$ if they focus on large cities first.
If they up the bandwidth to Rev B, not saying they will, there's more than turning up the software. There's also the matter of tower backhaul bandwidth needing to increase. Not the end of the world, but if you increase the consumer bandwidth capability you need to increase the backhaul or it becomes the bottleneck.
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I work for an MSO, and my employer provides backhauls to some cellular companies. I work in a different customer facing area.
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Well as many EVO users know there is a distinct possibility (probability) that Sprint will be getting out of the WiMax game at some point in the next couple of years and joining the LTE bandwagon. Of course, it's a simple switch to make on their end as it only requires a firmware update, however on the phone's end it is not quite that simple.
Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 3D having a dual mode chip? I would like to hang on to this next phone for a while and I'm hoping we won't be saddled with only 2.5 ghz spectrum wimax (the spectrum is also something I'm curious about with the former nextel bands' uncertain future).
Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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That's a very blunt way of phrasing the question but I'll do my best:
WiMax in and of itself is not necessarily "bad", but to sum it up, Clearwire (who Sprint has partnered with in its 4G endeavors) is pretty well tanking, and I believe that LTE is the superior standard if you base it solely on tech specs. Add to this the fact that LTE has become the de-facto standard via its adoption by ATT & VZW.
Other complicating factors are the fact that Sprint's 2.5 Ghz spectrum has well-known issues with building penetration, the fact that the 800Mhz former nextel spectrum would be a good candidate for rolling out LTE and having better service, the fact that LTE (supposedly) lends itself better to carrier control (ie not in favor of net neutrality) and probably some others, and the fact that sprint has itself said it is investigating the possibility of going LTE, it doesnt even really matter if WiMax is "bad" because it's probably going to happen one way or another.
Wimax 2 might hold promise but I honestly am already over my head here and I'm saying I don't want to be stuck with a phone that overtly clashes with Sprint's 4G vision of the future.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Just to clarify, I believe Wimax actually isn't the problem, if it were deployed on a lower spectrum it would have comparable signal penetration.
IF sprint switches to lte (hope not) then it won't be soon enough to worry about with the evo 3d, you will undoubtably upgrade your phone in that time, unless you can withhold the temptation to buy quadcore superphones next year
Project leapfrog is in the works for sprint. Meaning, they're coonverting to LTE by 2013. Which, in theory, means the Evo 3D will NOT have LTE capabilities because it'll be most likely another year or two before you start seeing LTE on Sprints network.
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Wimax is more efficient than LTE, it's the spectrum they are using that is hurting them. I doubt it will be but the Evo was the first 4G phone out so it would make sense. Even if it's unused when the phone is released.
The Evo is ready for Wimax2 (real 4G) and I don't think the standard hasn't even been finalized yet.
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint was already testing lte in phoenix . They also dont need to aquire any new frequency as they are getting rid of the iden - nextel really soon and will probably use that as wimax or lte if they choose it . Iden was in the 700 mhz range and will give a much better coverage
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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Sprint doesn't have anything in the 700MHz area last I checked. They didn't win the auction when it was held.
sprint has 806 MHz to 824 MHz and 851 MHz to 869 MHz bands. http://www.accedian.com/blog/news/sprint-vacated-iden-spectrum/
"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost." -per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Regardless of what they own you are right in that Spring/Clearwire cant just wake up and decide to deploy WiMax on a lower Freq that they own b/c at this point in time its flat out not provisioned for it. However I have no clue as to how hard/easy it would be to get such a provision so anything is possible.
The thing with LTE is its provisioned across all freq bands defined for UMTS, which typically consist of 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz. per http://www.pixaware.com/LTE and WiMAX Comparison-TejasBhandare.pdf
I personally speculate that they will go the dual route b/c WiMax has its advantages over LTE in its own areas.
I understand that but I know that clear does what sprint says since they own more than 50% . Sprint will do something with the band width that nextel was using and it looks like the test in phoenix was good. I would not think they would go dual but its only software its easy to go from wimax to lte and so forth but I think it would send the wrong message if they did it . Should be interesting whatever they do . But I bet they use the nextel bandwidth to implement lte
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
I was saying that lte was better than wimax . They tested it in phoenix and got over 70 mbps . But some say wimax 2 is coming and such . It is never ending just like fios and cable . It will always be a search for speed . But right now you can google sprint and lte test in phoenix . may be the way they are going
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Yea but by the time they roll that out, they will probably be working on upgrades to lte. It will be a never ending battle. Someone is always gonna have the upper hand for half a year.
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Wrong
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/4g-lte.jsp
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._accelerated_plans_for_4g_lte_deployment.html
nubsors said:
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint isn't doing anything. They don't have a 4g network. They lease it from clear (they are majority owners).
i agree with what others have said, the problem with clear's wimax network is the 2.5Ghz spectrum it runs on.
Wimax is open source, it's theoretically cheaper to build than LTE, but i haven't heard of clear expanding the coverage fast as verizon and tmobile.
Here's to all of you The EVO 3D might have compatability woe Wimax R2 or the 802e/m which will destroy LTE in speed and No Sprint will not switch over its to much money
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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I have LTE, yea and it is as flaky if not more or less than wimax, trust me I was just browsing the 3d forums to see when it will be released or so and the rumors.
AT home I get constant dropouts in LTE, hell I cant even get a constant signal, and walk 100 meters out in the open and I get great LTE coverage. While I have a laptop with built in wimax module and I got free thirty days and I get a constant connection and great coverage. I have never lost connection.
LTE is faster but seriously after 3mb down it all becomes pointless unless you are using your phone for home internet and need a lot of traffic, for a phone a connection at 2-3mb constant is plenty fast.
My wimax module gets me 3-5mb consistently at my house, I have never seen it go below.
I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
Sprint 800mhz
What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
Does our Photons support this? Read an article that part of Sprints Oct 7th announcement is that they are going to upgrade the 3g network also to EvDO Rev B. Since any 4G coverage here is half way across town, I could handle getting this upgrade till 4G coverage is more wide spread.
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/sprint-upgrading-existing-3g-coverage-area-to-evdo-rev-b-october-7th/
The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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I'll take a look at that once I get my MSL!
Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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What about the airvana?
Neither one support revB. I periodically try and still nothing.
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if your in airvana why aren't you using wifi?!
Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Yes it should. Any phone since 2009 should support it lol
with this phone (LG Marquee) dropping with only 3G this maybe they will be upgrading to REV B...
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yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
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Actually my 3G speeds aren't that bad now. Good enough to stream Netflix and a few music apps I use with no problems. Main reasons for wanting higher speeds is from hot spot being used with my A500
My 3G speeds in most of East TN are good, not great but good enough. Better usually than what I had on my blackberrys on Verizon.
I can only get 4G on this 2 mile stretch of road that I only see once every other month. So having evdo revB would be a dream come true, given I will probably not ever see it directly in my rural area, maybe in the adjoining cities.
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Just a thought, with sprints announcement in October - even though it will never happen. It would be nice if they said, they were updating to EVDO rev B and that most cell sites in the country are already upgraded and it was just a matter of flipping the switch, that day so there wouldn't be a wait for a roll out. /dream
I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I hope you are right!!
The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the benefits of 1X-Adv. is the ability to do simultaneous voice and 3G data. I think it's one of the main reasons Verizon is now trying to implement it - as a response to all the those AT&T commercials.
I have not seen any evidence yet that confirms that the Photon supports 1XAdv/EVDOrevB though.
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The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
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The channel has to be unlock using QXDM software.
Does any one knows how to use QXDM?
My area has a rev.B network but im still dont understand how to unlock 3 channel to my HTC EVO 3D Phone using QXDM.
Today’s Sprint strategy meeting revealed a significant amount of information about the future of the Now Network. Sprint has began the rollout of its new network and the rapid deployment of LTE on their 800 and 1900MHz frequencies. In fact, the “Network Vision” deployment is going so well that Sprint is expecting to be completely finished by the of end of 2013, rather than the speculated 3 to 5 years.
Sprint is investing $4 to $5 billion into “Network Vision,” with an expected net return of $10 to $11 billion by 2017. Sprint is expecting to launch it’s first LTE device by mid-2012 (posibly an LTE EVO device) and close the year with 15 LTE devices in it’s lineup. The agreement between Clearwire and Sprint is set expire at the end of 2012. Sprint will sell WiMax devices all the way through til the end of 2012, but support for WiMax devices will continue for an unspecified period beyond 2012.
Sprint is progressively turning over the Nextel 800MHz spectrum for use on CDMA. The 800 and 1900MHz spectra are owned and operated by Sprint, and will provide for voice, data, and 4G as per “Network Vision.” Pending FCC approval due to GPS interference, LightSquared’s 1600MHz spectrum will also be used exclusively for LTE on Sprint, in addition to the 800 and 1900MHz frequencies. There are no plans to use Clearwire or their 2.5GHz spectrum after 2012. However, Sprint is waiting to see what happens with their network change to LTE.
Many of you have numerous questions such as: “Why is LightSquared paying Sprint to use their LTE network?”, “Where is Sprint getting the money to invest in “Network Vision?”, “What is going to happen to my WiMax device?”, or “How does this effect me?” Keep reading for answers to all these questions.
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....“What is going to happen to my WiMax device?...
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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yes that is about as close to right as your going to get right now as they neither confirmed nor denied anything past 2012. Just that they would support wiMax till then. Nothing saying that they wouldn't or would support it after.
The interesting thing with WiMax is that it is in the spectrum holding 2.5GHz that was not once brought up during the meeting/presentation.
This leaves many possibilities for the future and all comes down to how Sprint and Clearwire decide to proceed further wether it be WiMax2 or TDD LTE or convert that part to just doing major backhaul work, OR they could attempt to sell it off. The last one I mention is a little redic imho as it would be silly to do away with that much spectrum they own there as they could easily make good use of it in a number of ways.
The fact that they tried to sell the 800MHz blocks(which they mentioned again in the meeting) is also beyond me but I have herd that the amount of spectrum they hold there makes putting LTE there a little reach b/c the amount of blocks owned is so small they couldn't really have much speed there. Thats just what ive herd, never too the time to look up the amount of blocks in the 800MHz they own personally though.
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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I addressed it. Dan said wimax devices will be supported much longer after 2012. That guaranteed
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I addressed it. Dan said wimax devices will be supported much longer after 2012. That guaranteed
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I listened to the whole thing and i am pretty sure he didn't say "...much longer after 2012..."
He or whoever did the majority of the network talk said "we will support WiMax up to 2012."
Big difference there in the two.
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I listened to the whole thing and i am pretty sure he didn't say "...much longer after 2012..."
He or whoever did the majority of the network talk said "we will support WiMax up to 2012."
Big difference there in the two.
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You need to listen again then. Actually 2:19:00 minutes in. start there, then come at me bro.
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You need to listen again then. Actually 2:19:00 minutes in. start there, then come at me bro.
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Yeah he said they will ship devices WiMax devices till 2012 but they have no news on anything past 2012 in regards to Clearwire. Said that they obviously would support wimax devices for a time after 2012 since selling them till 2012 is the plan.
Now whats interesting is they said in the Q&A they said they can use their own network till 2014 and with lightsquare they can take it to 2015, and they don't know anything or have anything announced for after that. So leaves a big door open for clearwire and tdd-lte which they continued to run away from the possibility in the questioning.
With that I'd take it as No more WiMax after 2015 at the latest. just an opinion by myself there though.
So when is 1x advanced rolling out? It seems like the easiest park of their plan
If wimax is only supported untilled 2015 then there is nothing to worry about. Who would own a 4 g phone longer than two years? No point in keeping it past contract.
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Exactly wimax will be gone by 2015
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As long as they are ambitious in rolling out LTE, then thank God for getting rid of WiMax.
I'm pretty sure in 2 years I'll be packing the HTC EVO LTE Quad Core edition. lol.
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As long as they are ambitious in rolling out LTE, then thank God for getting rid of WiMax.
I'm pretty sure in 2 years I'll be packing the HTC EVO LTE Quad Core edition. lol.
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HTC EVO 4D FTW
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HTC EVO 4D FTW
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Do you know how hard it is to sit in an office reading this, trying not to laugh my ass off? reminds me of the bestbuy commercial where everything is getting outdated.
It's just funny period.
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yes that is about as close to right as your going to get right now as they neither confirmed nor denied anything past 2012. Just that they would support wiMax till then. Nothing saying that they wouldn't or would support it after.
The interesting thing with WiMax is that it is in the spectrum holding 2.5GHz that was not once brought up during the meeting/presentation.
This leaves many possibilities for the future and all comes down to how Sprint and Clearwire decide to proceed further wether it be WiMax2 or TDD LTE or convert that part to just doing major backhaul work, OR they could attempt to sell it off. The last one I mention is a little redic imho as it would be silly to do away with that much spectrum they own there as they could easily make good use of it in a number of ways.
The fact that they tried to sell the 800MHz blocks(which they mentioned again in the meeting) is also beyond me but I have herd that the amount of spectrum they hold there makes putting LTE there a little reach b/c the amount of blocks owned is so small they couldn't really have much speed there. Thats just what ive herd, never too the time to look up the amount of blocks in the 800MHz they own personally though.
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They may not have too much of it at the lower end but one nice thing about lte advanced is it will be able to connect to different frequencies at the same time. So the speeds may stop if you're somewhere that only the 800MHz signal is getting to but once you get closer to a window or something you'll begin picking up the 1.6/1.9./2.6 GHz signals too.
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They may not have too much of it at the lower end but one nice thing about lte advanced is it will be able to connect to different frequencies at the same time. So the speeds may stop if you're somewhere that only the 800MHz signal is getting to but once you get closer to a window or something you'll begin picking up the 1.6/1.9./2.6 GHz signals too.
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Didn't realize LTE advanced allowed that. Pretty cool feature at that too!
Now did they mention LTE advanced at all? I didn't hear/read about it and only remember fdd-lte being talked about.
It's been a long day here so i could be missing it completely here though.
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Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down