Google just launched the google wallet app on Nexus s 4g, i was wondering if anyone can get the apk http://www.google.com/wallet/
Our phones don't have the NFC chip in it. Too bad though, I would like to try it out. I read somewhere a company is going to build nfc chips inside of a micro sd card... We'll see.
What? Hero is evolving... Hero evolved into EVO 3D!
I would think it would make more sense for NFC chips to be embedded in the SIM card. Of course that won't help those carriers that don't use SIMs, but they should just get with the times!
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Appologies in advance if this is complete rubbish. From what I understand, NFC works by holding devices/cards that are NFC enabled close to a suitable paypoint. Some bank cards, eg Barclaycard already offer this service. From this, am I wrong in assuming that its not the hardware thats important, but moreso the acual chip on the card. If thats the case - is it down to the network operator to issue the modified chips/sims to slot into the phone to make it NFC enabled - OR do you actually need modified hardware on the phone? If you do need modified hardware, whats stopping anyone from opening a bank account that issues NFC credit/debit cards and simply cutting out the chip from the cards and putting that chip under the back cover of your phone (the chips from the cards would be pretty small and should easily fit under the cover in the battery region)? That way, you could still tap and pay with the back of the phone. Is that completely ridiculous?
NFC posts here show on sim .
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I think the idea is that u can reprogram the chip if its hardwired into the phone or something..maybe look it up on Wikipedia or something.
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thanks for replies. So, JJEgan, the nfc enabled phones are physically the same as 'non enabled' oness? Its just the SIM thats modified?
They are not the same.
The NFC chip in the the Nexus S can read, write, and emulate an NFC tag. It allows developers to use it for their apps.
I suspect that the NFC enabled sim cards only have an embedded NFC tag, which I don't think developers can access. It simply acts as a single purpose tag for payments for example, just like in some credit cards. It would not allow for read/writes, or for multi use emulation.
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They are not the same.
The NFC chip in the the Nexus S can read, write, and emulate an NFC tag. It allows developers to use it for their apps.
I suspect that the NFC enabled sim cards only have an embedded NFC tag, which I don't think developers can access. It simply acts as a single purpose tag for payments for example, just like in some credit cards. It would not allow for read/writes, or for multi use emulation.
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Orange demoed the SIM being used to read and write tags as well as making payments. The SIM is using technology from Gemalto to allow it. It's just a case of having the right app on the phone. I'm hoping someone with a GS2 will get ahold of one soon enough.
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Yeah that is my understanding to, you can either have the phone with a built in chip. Or use an NFC enable micro sd card.
Both give you the same functionailty. The down side is the sd cards are probably small capacity in terms of gb for storage, and you would not be able to swap out the micro sd and still use nfc (if you are one of those that uses multiple sd cards for storage)
The micro sd route would be a good route for samsung to go, send a free one to all of those that purchased the launch model without nfc built in.
Not heard of the sim option. But I guess it would work in the same fashion as the sd card.
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Both give you the same functionailty
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I don't think so. From what I gathered the NFC enabled SIM card can only be read by other devices, so it will be able to act as a contactless payment or transport card. BUT it won't enable your phone to read or write NFC tags, so you won't be able to tap nfc enabled ads to get information (like with QR code but without the camera), nor to create your own NFC tags with your phone.
Unless someone can point to the 13.56 mhz antenna, this phone won't be doing any read/writes.
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Unless someone can point to the 13.56 mhz antenna, this phone won't be doing any read/writes.
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The antenna is built into the microsd card
http://www.nearfieldcommunicationsworld.com/2009/01/12/3485/tyfone-puts-nfc-into-microsd-cards/
Reading around it does look like both the sd and sim options focus more on using nfc as a payment method, than on other uses for the tech.
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The antenna is built into the microsd card
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True, but that antenna is just for the NFC tag in the SD card to be read by another device. There is no embedded antenna or NFC chip in the phone, nor the ability to add integrated NFC at a later date. The NFC abilities in Android can never be utilized without that.
You are correct that this limits the use to small payment or transit access. Might as well tape your Barclay credit card or Oyster card to the back of your phone, there will be no integration with apps.
I came across this article on engadget that says NFC hardware can be embedded on a SIM card. May be something to look in to.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/sim-based-nfc-gains-global-support-from-45-mobile-carriers-all/
That would be cool. To bad the Nexus series is the only set of phones to have it built in
I know people have asked questions similar to this before, but all of those threads seem to be from a while ago.
Does anyone know if there is anyway to get google wallet? We have NFC, why can't we use it?
Is there any other option to pay with NFC?
Thanks
Both Google and VZW say it's not our fault or we don't know, I asked a rep why they listed Google wallet as an advantage of having a smart phone but it wasn't offered and I got a non answer.
For other NFC VZW is part of IRIS which just launched but only in Salt Lake City and maybe one other place and it should be active on Inc 4G's there I think, it was part of the last update.
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I know people have asked questions similar to this before, but all of those threads seem to be from a while ago.
Does anyone know if there is anyway to get google wallet? We have NFC, why can't we use it?
Is there any other option to pay with NFC?
Thanks
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Both Google and VZW say it's not our fault or we don't know, I asked a rep why they listed Google wallet as an advantage of having a smart phone but it wasn't offered and I got a non answer.
For other NFC VZW is part of IRIS which just launched but only in Salt Lake City and maybe one other place and it should be active on Inc 4G's there I think, it was part of the last update.
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Isis tells me my device isn't comparable, I got the otb update at the beginning of the month. But it says I might need a new SIM card for it to work.
For anyone who wants to store gift cards like on google wallet or apple passbook, pass wallet does a great job.
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Isis tells me my device isn't comparable, I got the otb update at the beginning of the month. But it says I might need a new SIM card for it to work.
For anyone who wants to store gift cards like on google wallet or apple passbook, pass wallet does a great job.
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You will need a new SIM, there is an encryption method used by Isis stored on the SIM.
I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
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I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
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You're going to be disappointed, and you can thank AT&T for that.
It's ISIS or nothing.
bwmcclai said:
I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
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With AT&T, all phones have to use ISIS for NFC payments.
Unless, you're rooted, and you or a generous developer has figured out how to install Google Wallet on your device. I have it on my GS3(AT&T) it tells the play store that you're using a Galaxy Nexus(Maguro) and allows you to download Google Wallet. I don't have a credit card to test it out with though But it worked!
TL;DR: US Carriers are douches, and force upon you their products.
1. Don't know, wait until it gets out to see if it works.
2. Yes--in fact the Paypass places can be used with NFC.
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any way to make Isis work since it won't work on rooted phone or other options?
Someone may eventually come up with a workaround but I'd just use google wallet, it's better anyhow.
When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
I'm still using my SIM from my galaxy nexus and I have used Google wallet many times with my g3.
I'm pretty sure with wants goin on in Iraq Isis will be getting a new name soon.
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When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
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I can believe that a new sim needed for NFC to access the Secure Element, but standard NFC should work independent of the the sim (at least it did on my galaxy s3). Wallet only "failed" because all major carriers, save for Sprint, locked them out of the Secure Element to begin with. NFC Host Card Emulation, introduced in KitKat, solves this problem and permits Wallet to work on any phone with KitKat and NFC. Even if ISIS worked on rooted devices, I would not use it because of the dirty tactics it was born from.
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any way to make Isis work since it won't work on rooted phone or other options?
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Isis works if you install xposed with root cloak module.
Same here. I have no intention of ever running ISIS or whatever they change the name to. I use Google Wallet routinely and prefer merchants that accept it, including gas stations.
Works with all my Nexus devices, even the old Verizon Galaxy Nexuses once they are upgraded to KitKat via Roms like CM or Vanir.
root cloak then it is!
work like charm.
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root cloak then it is!
work like charm.
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Yep, RootCloak is awesome. I personally use Google Wallet, except on small purchases since ISIS is doing the "spend $1, get $1 back" promotion until the end of December now. So a $1 drink at McDonald's ends up costing me $.08 (NY sales tax) haha.
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Yep, RootCloak is awesome. I personally use Google Wallet, except on small purchases since ISIS is doing the "spend $1, get $1 back" promotion until the end of December now. So a $1 drink at McDonald's ends up costing me $.08 (NY sales tax) haha.
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right, we are cheap :sly:
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I can believe that a new sim needed for NFC to access the Secure Element, but standard NFC should work independent of the the sim (at least it did on my galaxy s3). Wallet only "failed" because all major carriers, save for Sprint, locked them out of the Secure Element to begin with. NFC Host Card Emulation, introduced in KitKat, solves this problem and permits Wallet to work on any phone with KitKat and NFC. Even if ISIS worked on rooted devices, I would not use it because of the dirty tactics it was born from.
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Verizon blocks use of the NFC secure element in the phone for things like Google wallet. There is a secure element on the SIM for ISIS. Verizon argued to the acc that they could certify the secure element in the phone was safe so they block it's access to their network. You can beam photos and stuff phone to phone....but anything done with it over the air must use the secure element on the SIM. I know there was a class action lawsuit against Verizon for this becaus they have a financial interest in blocking Google wallet vs making us use ISIS.
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So, the newer Google Wallet doesn't seem to require access to any secure element, on phone or sim, anymore since KutKat, right. The Verizon guy was just wrong, Wallet and bump to share would have worked fine with the old sim, just not ISIS ?
trent999 said:
When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
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He lied. You might need a new SIM for ISIS because they store the secure element in the SIM not the phone.
Wallet emulates secure element now and doesn't need secure element on the phone or the SIM. The only real requirement is that you be running KitKat because touch to pay doesn't work on any older version of the OS.
NFC is built into the phone.
If you want ISIS on a rooted phone use Xposed and Root Cloak.