Can someone shine some light onto this situation for me. I have a bell Gs2 and i heard they are releasing a lte (4g) network in toronto and that they are rereleasing the gs2. Does that mean i bought my gs2 and wont be able to take advantage of the lte capabilities?
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Yep, our phone has HSPA+ which Bell considers 4G along with their LTE network. Your phone doesn't have the LTE hardware, so yes, you are right. You will not be able to utilize LTE on your new phone....
Poor show by Bell there TBH man. At least here in the UK we know we are all being soiled on by the complete lack of 4G at the moment, over in Canada it must just be confusing as to which 4G platform your phone can...and can't, accept.
Thanks for your insight on this situation guys
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I don't think it matters TBH, Bell is charging a whole lot more for the LTE network so unless you are willing to pay you are not getting on it. Besides do you really need that fast of a connection (in a very limited geographical area) other than bragging rights?
The Galaxy S II is still a great phone. The LTE network will have only a small coverage area and a small number of devices supported at first. In 2 to 3 years LTE phones will be widely available and coverage will be up, that's when I'll jump on the LTE bandwagon.
Until then, HSPA+ @ up to 21Mbps is fine by me.
LTE at the moment is a huge battery drain, and real world speeds are not much better than hsdpa with enhanced backhall aka h+
It's a shame they are using 4G to describe h+, it's a huge marketing mess.
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OK I have searched and can't find an answer to a couple of questions.
I am coming from a rooted Epic 4G on Sprint. I am not familiar with unlocked gsm phones. I am switching to att because i am moving to an area with bad sprint coverage.
I was going to buy an Infuse, but it seems the Galaxy S II is better. I understand i can use the SII on att's network but i am unsure about a couple things.
1) will i be able to utilize their semi 4G data network? When they get 4G LTE, will i be able to use that?
2) what downside is there to going the S II route vs an Infuse other than $$? Looks to me like the SII is way better.
Anything else I need to consider?
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The international SGS2 phones you can buy today don't have LTE, so they won't work on the AT&T LTE network. They will, however, work on AT&T's HSPA+ network -- I regularly get about 4 Mbps, and have gotten as high as 7. You can use a regular 3G plan on the HSPA+ network; I have the old $30/month 3G smartphone unlimited data plan, and I haven't had any problems connecting to HSPA+ in places where it's available.
There is some speculation that the AT&T version of the SGS2 (called Attain) may have LTE support. Unfortunately, this phone isn't available yet, and as far as I know, no release date has been announced.
Thanks for the info. As a practical matter i shouldnt worry too much about LTE. I live in a rural area which just got 4G, but is very ulikely to upgrade to LTE anytime soon. I will probably want another phone by the time we see LTE here. Now i have to decide if i want to spend $450 more to get the SII over the Infuse. The SII has more RAM, dual core processor and higher res second camera (bfd). Im not sure what other improvements.
Any other advice or insight would be appreciated. Im sure gonna mis the hardware keyboard on my epic!
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Hi there,
Any suggestions on using Wind or Telus for HTC Amaze? I know that Wind/Mobilicity uses AWS (1700/2100) band, and that apparently doesn't penetrate buildings very well. And Telus uses the GMS, but don't like reputation. I would like to unlock the phone afterwards as I will be moving east during the year and if I am not satisfied with the provider well I would like to change.
Any tips on which company's phone would be easier to unlock and with which unlocking company you might recommend?
Thanks!
Wind unlocks after 3 months service. Telus doesn't. I think the choice is easy enough
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1700/2100 Wind is using isn't all that different from any other carrier that much. Telus does not use GSM (in North America/Brazil GSM is 850 and 1900 mhz) Telus uses CDMA 800/1900 mhz. The lower the frequency the better penetration through the walls, but it goes into reverse as far as ability to carry data - the lower the frequency the less data it can carry. I've yet to grasp LTE and 700 mhz, seems so contradictory = high speed but voice only, who cares? Someone please fill us in...
Also, Telus uses the 850 band for HSPA. Therefore the HTC Amaze from both Telus and Wind could work on either network if unlocked.
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Bronyr said:
1700/2100 Wind is using isn't all that different from any other carrier that much. Telus does not use GSM (in North America/Brazil GSM is 850 and 1900 mhz) Telus uses CDMA 800/1900 mhz. The lower the frequency the better penetration through the walls, but it goes into reverse as far as ability to carry data - the lower the frequency the less data it can carry. I've yet to grasp LTE and 700 mhz, seems so contradictory = high speed but voice only, who cares? Someone please fill us in...
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Your information is quite wrong.
Telus had a GSM network since 2010, operating on 850/1900.
1700/2100 is a weird frequency for 3G service due it only "recently" getting use as a 3G band through t-mobile.
700MHz is a band that LTE can be used on. So are 1700 and 2100 (Rogers, Bell LTE).
tl;dr: buy a Wind Amaze. Try them for 3 months on some plan. It'll be cheaper than buying a Telus one and getting service for those 3 months, then paying to unlock.
I have to chime in here and say, every person ive talked to that is on wind sounds like crap, most of them complain about spotty service, i know the pub in the area i live in, which is a popular area you get 0 service inside or out, deal breaker for me. I like to sound clear and get service everywhere, and ill pay for it.
Go with wind. A lot easier to get out of in the 14 day grace period. Also a lot easier to get out of in general. Their networks are fine. Sorry to the above poster, but their networks are just fine. Sound quality is probably phone dependant.
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rbaruch said:
Go with wind. A lot easier to get out of in the 14 day grace period. Also a lot easier to get out of in general. Their networks are fine. Sorry to the above poster, but their networks are just fine. Sound quality is probably phone dependant.
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+1, I have zero issues with my service.
Wind rocks!! $40/mo for unlimited everything.. sound q is perfect..
I Only get dropped by calls To a robers or dingaling or smellus.. reception is perfect. When they call me back from home phone.. yes it Is a conspiracy against wind by the majors... No contract, no cancellation fees etc...
They are in bc and the Flatlands too.. I think
Others are haters.. dont doubt it!...
I am not an employee in any way!!
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No experience with Wind on the Amaze, but did have someone test it on their Telus connection and the speeds were very nice.
Works GREAT on the WIND network.
You can buy an Amaze from Telus without a plan, at least I did back in Nov. just had to drop an additional $100 on the total cost. I just unlocked it to use on Rogers network followed by Bell.
Decided to switch carriers, got the New contract and now the extra phone (Nexus). Good luck shopping the Amaze is a great phone!
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You can buy an Amaze from Telus without a plan, at least I did back in Nov. just had to drop an additional $100 on the total cost. I just unlocked it to use on Rogers network followed by Bell.
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An Amaze from wind costs 50 bucks less outright. Factor in taxes and stuff, and that's still your first month of service compared to buying a Telus one.
You also have to consider Wind is great when your in major centers but if your driving anywhere out of town, good bye service. Im in Canada dont know how big wind is in the states. Im not trying to hate on Wind, but in Calgary the service is pretty spotty, and were a pretty major city
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You also have to consider Wind is great when your in major centers but if your driving anywhere out of town, good bye service. Im in Canada dont know how big wind is in the states. Im not trying to hate on Wind, but in Calgary the service is pretty spotty, and were a pretty major city
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Wind's roaming in the States is pretty inexpensive - $.25 for a minute. Most of Rogers users pay more just for being 100 kms from their home zone.
By the way Amaze is pentaband 3G phone - it will work with most operators in the world.
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You also have to consider Wind is great when your in major centers but if your driving anywhere out of town, good bye service. Im in Canada dont know how big wind is in the states. Im not trying to hate on Wind, but in Calgary the service is pretty spotty, and were a pretty major city
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Going to just point out that you already posted saying you don't really have any first hand experience. It's already been mentioned that wind is best for people that don't leave the city.
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By the way Amaze is pentaband 3G phone - it will work with most operators in the world.
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Apologies for the double post here - its a quadband hspa device, I believe 850/1700/1900/2100.
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Wind's roaming in the States is pretty inexpensive - $.25 for a minute. Most of Rogers users pay more just for being 100 kms from their home zone.
By the way Amaze is pentaband 3G phone - it will work with most operators in the world.
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Telus and Bell are the best network choices in Canada if you travel often since they have shared network agreements. The only time I've ever roamed on the network was in northern Ontario which is still better than the 10 hours worth of no service driving on the Rogers network.
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How easy/hard to unlock a Mobilicity cellphone ? and much does it costs ?
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How easy/hard to unlock a Mobilicity cellphone ? and much does it costs ?
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Very easy, cost depends on source...$15-$25.
Check out www.htcimeiunlock.com or www.mobileincanada.com
I've used both sites, mobileincanada for my Amaze $22 I believe was the total (Telus).
Cheers,
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I have an atrix that is unlocked and has a T-mobile sim card. But its stuck on Edge and never been on 4g let alone even 3g. Is there a custom rom and/or kernel that can fix this issue?
The atrix isn't 4G capable (lacks the hardware) and T-mobile uses a different frequency for their 3G networks that the Atrix doesn't support.
So yeah you're stuck on edge as long as you're using T-mobile on the atrix
Seriously?
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The atrix isn't 4G capable (lacks the hardware) and T-mobile uses a different frequency for their 3G networks that the Atrix doesn't support.
So yeah you're stuck on edge as long as you're using T-mobile on the atrix
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I have been considering the Atrix 4G from AT&T. it is advertised as 4G by ATT. I ready a couple reviews that said it was slow, but I assumed that might be from all the bloatware. I guess I should be looking at a different phone, if the Atrix 4G is really not 4G.
First find the specs of the device. Only devices listed as LTE are real 4G. You can find it in radio frequencies. At&t only has a few but verizon has a plenty to choose, although according to user feedback 4g devices are battery hogs, while on 4g of course.
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If you want fast / reliable data speeds you best be looking at a different carrier than AT&T.
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Well that sucks... I guess I'll be continuing my search. I'm new here but am loving the available information and the responsiveness of the members. Thanks again.
Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
Remember HD DVDs? and BluRay? Which one is still around?
Also, Plasma, DLP, LCD, LED technologies in TVs. Its a 'technology war' thing.
WiMax and LTE were two technologies like this. LTE won as BluRay did and to keep up, Sprint has to rebuild their network. Also, the reasons stated above in smw6180's post.
I actually could care less about which one I have as I'm on wifi most of the time. This was truly "Just a question". But isn't HSPA+ a dead technology but its still being included into GSM devices even the ones with LTE. Im just wondering why it is and Wimax isnt. And where I'm at Wimax is awesome I get anywhere from 4-8mbs when im on it.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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I most certainly would love to. I hope the International GS3 has HSPA+ and I can get it unlocked and use it on T-mobile. I miss GSM but dont really care much for ATT and I read somewhere T-Mobile is revamping there prepaid data plans, so hopefully I will get to try it out.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
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Totally agree, and number "2" is definitely a must for me I have tested it here and wimax well you said it, and more now is adding both radio and battery on-board will give a A+ with power as well
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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No, HSPA is in its own class of speed, CDMA doesn't have anything close to it. And it's not like sprint's network could handle much anyway, since there's plenty of dirtbags abusing the Unlimited service.
A friend I work with just got the EVO 4G LTE and he is coming from the OG EVO 4G. He got 4G on his old phone where we are at but he can not get 4G on the new EVO 4G LTE. Is it because the old EVO did wimax and the new one doesnt have a wimax chip in it, only LTE and they have not upgraded to LTE in our area yet? And he has LTE/CDMA selected under mobile network settings.
you are right this phone has no wimax only 3g that's why people who got wimax capable phones still using then cause sprint 3g is a joke they should be ashamed at calling this 3g. I just came to sprint three weeks ago from TMobile. TMobile edge/2g Network blows sprint 3g away i mean if you compared the three g speeds of TMobile it's faster than wimax and if you compared TMobile hspa to sprint Wimax it make that look slow. I didn't know sprint was thus bad our i would of stayed i just got tired of TMobile not getting any good phones.
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you are right this phone has no wimax only 3g that's why people who got wimax capable phones still using then cause sprint 3g is a joke they should be ashamed at calling this 3g. I just came to sprint three weeks ago from TMobile. TMobile edge/2g Network blows sprint 3g away i mean if you compared the three g speeds of TMobile it's faster than wimax and if you compared TMobile hspa to sprint Wimax it make that look slow. I didn't know sprint was thus bad our i would of stayed i just got tired of TMobile not getting any good phones.
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then that is probably the deal. i have Verizon, so dont really keep up with what is going on with Sprint around my area, but i have not heard of them getting LTE around here yet. i am just north of houston, they may have it down in houston, but houston always gets new things, then my area gets it shortly after as they start to expand out. i know verizon and att have their LTE working here. but you are right about Sprints 3G speeds, i downloaded speedtest on his phone and it took like 3 minutes. haha
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they should be ashamed at calling this 3g.
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Which is ironic, as every carrier should be ashamed of calling whatever their top service is "4G". If you had actual, true-to-spec 4G service, you'd need a new pair of pants.
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Which is ironic, as every carrier should be ashamed of calling whatever their top service is "4G". If you had actual, true-to-spec 4G service, you'd need a new pair of pants.
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Technically Sprints WiMax was closer in terms of Spec than any carriers LTE or hspa+. But with almost no backhaul improvements over 3g, piss poor rollout speed, and craptastic implementation, it was doomed to fail. LTE gives us 3.5G. LTE advanced will bring us true 4G with LTE tech. Sadly I'm not sure we will ever see it, or be able to afford it with the way carriers are treating data plans.
With true 4G you'll be able to burn an AT& T data cap in 10 minutes and Verizons in 30 minutes. By this time I assume network vision will have failed miserably and Google will have purchased Sprint for pennies and made a prepay carrier full of Android badassery.... At least that's what I'm hoping for.
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