At the bbq, I talked to a Motorola rep. I asked him about their plans to unlock the x2 and similar phones. He proceeded to say nothing, look at me with an angry face, and shot me with a xoom controlled dart gun. Left a bad taste in my mouth regardless of how funny it was.
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What do you expect? Moto reps know nothing, and if they did they wouldn't say a damn thing! Not even worth asking about unlocking the phone, doubt it'll happen, matter of fact if I'm starting to think they've just blown smoke up everyone's @ss with the whole "Ooh we will unlock our phones.. eventually!" BS.
I would of slapped him in his sissy face with a dead fish.
The feeling is mutual
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What do you expect? Moto reps know nothing, and if they did they wouldn't say a damn thing! Not even worth asking about unlocking the phone, doubt it'll happen, matter of fact if I'm starting to think they've just blown smoke up everyone's @ss with the whole "Ooh we will unlock our phones.. eventually!" BS.
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Actually the reps were motodev reps, they were in the know. To all those saying we will get ics and unlike bloaders, it's not gonna happen.
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At the bbq, I talked to a Motorola rep. I asked him about their plans to unlock the x2 and similar phones. He proceeded to say nothing, look at me with an angry face, and shot me with a xoom controlled dart gun. Left a bad taste in my mouth regardless of how funny it was.
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Maybe he thought you were a dork
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Actually the reps were motodev reps, they were in the know. To all those saying we will get ics and unlike bloaders, it's not gonna happen.
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The unlocked boot probably not going to happen as for ics we could still get that
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Blame Canad... er, blame Verizon for the lack of unlock. Moto won't do it until they get the official nod from Verizon.
Here is my 2 cents about it. Most moto reps are there to sale product and that's it and they don't know about anything else behind the scenes. For me so far I haven't really had an issue with the phone other than the rebooting issue which seems to have stopped after switching the SD card. For the bootloader part I don't think they are going to unlock it. It might have been said on tweeter but still doesn't mean they will. Also from a insider i've talked to said we would get the ICS update by march. I had the droid 1 which I liked but it had huge issues with signal on every rom I put on it. Also I really like moto products and really haven't had a bad experience so far and I'm patient enough to wait for a work around to the bootloader or it to be cracked. I have a few ideas that I want to try but just a little buzy to it sorry
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i believe that moto hates us to
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Blame Canad... er, blame Verizon for the lack of unlock. Moto won't do it until they get the official nod from Verizon.
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Which they have. Htc has the go ahead for the htcdev unlock tools. Once again these were dew reps. They are totally aware of what's happening on the development front of their respective companies.
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Which they have. Htc has the go ahead for the htcdev unlock tools. Once again these were dew reps. They are totally aware of what's happening on the development front of their respective companies.
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We all bought this phone knowing Moto locks their bootloaders and probably never will unlock them. If anyone is to be blamed, it's yourself and not Motorola. Did they force us to buy the phone? Nope. Yes it's annoying to have this restriction on our devices, but hell I buy Moto for high quality hardware. It's not like we don't have good ROMs atm do we? We have Nitro/Naven/Peppermint and more busting their asses off to make or devices more enjoyable.
It would be nice to be able to OC and install CM7 for the pure AOSP experience. Is your phone still useable and enjoyable without that? I enjoy this phone regardless, and it runs loops around any app/function I throw at it. If you don't want to deal w/ locked bootloaders go buy elsewhere. I'll just leave it at this, not gonna go into the whole arguement about the whole blah blah "Android is open source, there shouldn't be locked ****" deal. In the end it's YOUR choice.
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We all bought this phone knowing Moto locks their bootloaders and probably never will unlock them. If anyone is to be blamed, it's yourself and not Motorola. Did they force us to buy the phone? Nope. Yes it's annoying to have this restriction on our devices, but hell I buy Moto for high quality hardware. It's not like we don't have good ROMs atm do we? We have Nitro/Naven/Peppermint and more busting their asses off to make or devices more enjoyable.
It would be nice to be able to OC and install CM7 for the pure AOSP experience. Is your phone still useable and enjoyable without that? I enjoy this phone regardless, and it runs loops around any app/function I throw at it. If you don't want to deal w/ locked bootloaders go buy elsewhere. I'll just leave it at this, not gonna go into the whole arguement about the whole blah blah "Android is open source, there shouldn't be locked ****" deal. In the end it's YOUR choice.
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To each his own.
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We all bought this phone knowing Moto locks their bootloaders and probably never will unlock them. If anyone is to be blamed, it's yourself and not Motorola. Did they force us to buy the phone? Nope. Yes it's annoying to have this restriction on our devices, but hell I buy Moto for high quality hardware.
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X2 is high quality? Not in my honest opinion. Skipping music, lagging app performance that gets outshined by slower droids (like the original X).
This is not quality at all.
Hence, we demand that they unlock it or fix the issues. It's one or the other.
I've already logged a complaint with Motorola about this and pointed them to a thread in their own forums about the music skipping issue since they decided to tell me that they haven't heard of the skipping music issue.
What I don't understand and what I would like an explanation on is WHY does the music skip when listening to it through the headphone jack, but when I do it via Bluetooth, not ONE single, solitary skip?
Now they want me to call into their support line and talk with a tech rep. We'll see how far THIS gets me.
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X2 is high quality? Not in my honest opinion. Skipping music, lagging app performance that gets outshined by slower droids (like the original X).
This is not quality at all.
Hence, we demand that they unlock it or fix the issues. It's one or the other.
I've already logged a complaint with Motorola about this and pointed them to a thread in their own forums about the music skipping issue since they decided to tell me that they haven't heard of the skipping music issue.
What I don't understand and what I would like an explanation on is WHY does the music skip when listening to it through the headphone jack, but when I do it via Bluetooth, not ONE single, solitary skip?
Now they want me to call into their support line and talk with a tech rep. We'll see how far THIS gets me.
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I'm talking about the physical build, the physical feel of the phone.
not for nothing but the latest sbf is insane!
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X2 is high quality? Not in my honest opinion. Skipping music, lagging app performance that gets outshined by slower droids (like the original X).
This is not quality at all.
Hence, we demand that they unlock it or fix the issues. It's one or the other.
I've already logged a complaint with Motorola about this and pointed them to a thread in their own forums about the music skipping issue since they decided to tell me that they haven't heard of the skipping music issue.
What I don't understand and what I would like an explanation on is WHY does the music skip when listening to it through the headphone jack, but when I do it via Bluetooth, not ONE single, solitary skip?
Now they want me to call into their support line and talk with a tech rep. We'll see how far THIS gets me.
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I totally agree with you on this.
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Okay, that makes sense, although I'm more concerned right now with the actual quality of the overall product which isn't what it should be from a performance view.
I mean, my previous phone was an LG Vortex (ARM6 600mhz with VERY limited memory) and my music never skipped at all with that phone.
So, it's kind of strange that a dual-core 1ghz machine would skip and have performance issues with many applications. I will say it does run Angry birds 200% better than my Vortex did, but I have seen other apps run pretty sluggish that run better on slower phones.
So I think this is more software related than hardware, so it should be correctable, but it's in Motorola's court to fix it, if they ever do.
And it they refuse to fix it, that is why I say they should unlock the boot loader so we can flash properly with ROMs that apparently do fix a lot of the performance issues.
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Okay, that makes sense, although I'm more concerned right now with the actual quality of the overall product which isn't what it should be from a performance view.
I mean, my previous phone was an LG Vortex (ARM6 600mhz with VERY limited memory) and my music never skipped at all with that phone.
So, it's kind of strange that a dual-core 1ghz machine would skip and have performance issues with many applications. I will say it does run Angry birds 200% better than my Vortex did, but I have seen other apps run pretty sluggish that run better on slower phones.
So I think this is more software related than hardware, so it should be correctable, but it's in Motorola's court to fix it, if they ever do.
And it they refuse to fix it, that is why I say they should unlock the boot loader so we can flash properly with ROMs that apparently do fix a lot of the performance issues.
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Oh wow, I had almost forgotten about the music issue...I hated that, I had a Samsung Fascinate before this and NEVER heard a skip, that phone had half the cores and half the RAM and still NEVER skipped, then I switched to my X2 and rage'd hard, Verizon just kept replacing them with more skipping X2's so I eventually gave up on complaining about it. However on Eclipse .8, and really since Eclipse started I've never had a single issue with it, I'd give that a try.
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Okay, that makes sense, although I'm more concerned right now with the actual quality of the overall product which isn't what it should be from a performance view.
I mean, my previous phone was an LG Vortex (ARM6 600mhz with VERY limited memory) and my music never skipped at all with that phone.
So, it's kind of strange that a dual-core 1ghz machine would skip and have performance issues with many applications. I will say it does run Angry birds 200% better than my Vortex did, but I have seen other apps run pretty sluggish that run better on slower phones.
So I think this is more software related than hardware, so it should be correctable, but it's in Motorola's court to fix it, if they ever do.
And it they refuse to fix it, that is why I say they should unlock the boot loader so we can flash properly with ROMs that apparently do fix a lot of the performance issues.
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I agree its pretty pathetic that Moto can't solve the music skipping and delay esp from streaming music online. But I do feel like the devs are pushing the phone in the right direction for sure. Bootloader unlock would be great so we can get custom kernels, as well as full AOSP. At the moment w/ a ROM and scripts the phone is fairly useable. But it is quite sad that it needs so many mods to do so.
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I believe that the 6 week deadline from the official release of ICS source code is nearing up. So, if Motorola is true to its word, we should hear soon about its plans about ICS. And I sure hope those plans include the X2... What is your take on this (I know this question was asked a million times before, but the charm of asking it for the million and oneth time is just something different! )
Come on Moto! Don't disappoint me!
I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414221
This post was saying someone recently looked it up. So far it's all the newest ones (ie. Bionic, Raze) and they'll "update" us later on the others they may add.
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
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When I was at Verizon on Monday the rep said our phone was a model on its way out. I personally think with moto rolling new phones and tablets out like crazy the X2 will be left behind.
Not to "Rock the Boat" but here is my views....
uhh hmm....
...We have a Droid x2 which was released May 26th 2011(if memory serves well). The device has been released for 7 months; halfway to a YEAR OLD! Now, with that said, I personally think that we WILL receive android 4.0. Due to the recent release of the Milestone x2, why would motorola release the device instead of pushing a different Milestone device? It currently OFFICIALLY supports 2.3.6 firmware and it was only released less than a month ago. So I think our chances are good to get it. Maybe not as soon as other devices, but EVENTUALLY we should get the release.
Call it false hopes or whatever may be, fact is MOTOROLA is a business. Why release a mirrored device(Milestone x2) if only to give 2 more updates? Along with the fact of hurting their image as a company with a dead device?
Next to this, I personally don't care!!! lol I personally think the x2 is a great device once you ROM it to whichever you want or at least debloat the stock. You don't even "need" the Init scripts if you are a casual user to keep the phone up to speed as of the 2.3.5 update for the Dx2. Once we got the 2.3.5 leak, I ran stock on my main phone for like a month as I progressed my ROM to that firmware. We as the x2 community are getting more development done now than we have in the past; regardless of what others think. Yes, the development seems slow, but how many devs do you see working on this device?
This isn't an argument about mods or ROMs, but we have some nice devs working on this phone. Next to that, "who needs ICS?" I imagine it will be faster, smoother, cooler than GB. But after 2 months have passed, users will start to complain that JellyBean(<<<<Thats the 5.0 or w/e firmware) isn't coming quick enough.
In the end, we are "stuck" with this phone regardless of leaks, mods, or updates. Enjoy what you have and hopefully someone will come along and give us what we want.
-Peperm1nt
I could care less if we ever get ics. Some people always want the next big thing which always has issues when first releases.
As for the milestone x2 sprint just dropped the lg optimus s and straight talk picked it up as the lg optimus precedent. Same phone. Smaller carriers always get devices or a version of the later after they are on the way out the big boys lineup. Milestone x2 are probably what Verizon didn't want from moto when the decided to drop the line. Its not really up to moto what updates we get its more up to Verizon to give it the ok. If the store I went to is correct and Verizon is dropping the device Verizon wont push anymore updates our way. Just saying
(This is just my opinion)
Im perfectly happy with the x2 and I am thankful for the devs we have. I donate when I can afford it and hope even though some of them have other devices will continue to help the x2 with smoother and smoother gb roms.
Thanks!
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I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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+1 to motcher
I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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Im no dev either but past experience on other devices. With a new kernel from moto to have it ramped up or an unlocked bootloader I think ics would not be quick. It would be laggy and severely lower performance. If you wanna port it I think best you'll get to run good as a lite version of ics. Droid eris has gb but its not complete. Devs had to remove parts to make it runnable since the device specs were just not made for it. Kinda like our 512mb of ram....bonehead move by moto.
Hell I have windows 7 on my netbook which was designed for xp....same deal as ics on a phone made to run gb really well. It might run but its not gonna be awesome just like 7 on my netbook. In my opinion.
I just hope mastafunk and the crew have success in get cm running. That's our future on this phone.
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Motorola wont officially update DX2 to ICS, there will probably be a leaked version (which will be awesome for the devs), but they wont update it to ICS due to "inadequate hardware." That statement isn't necessarily false either. While AOSP ICS wont. Have any problem running on only 512mb of RAM, what wont run on 512mb of RAM is AOSP ICS and MOTOBLOAT
So the d3 wont receive ICS? I think its more than enough to run ICS at AOSP, and with BLUR, I'm sure it would suffice. Our phone runs really smooth with a stock 2.3.5 build. RAM has "no effect" on a linux kernel. The way it is designed you SHOULD only have 20mb or so of RAM available to get the "speed" of quickload of different apps. Apps always run in the background once they are loaded and when the foreground app calls for resources it "locks" apps out of RAM and freezes an image to memory for a load when the foreground app closes or enough space opens in the RAM and then resumes the process. The "lag" comes from too many apps calling for resources at a time, that is why you have redraws and that is also why Moto put the task manager app to kill processes after 2 minutes of idle.
When ever Motorola starts pushing the ICS update for the xoom is most likely when we would get the notice of our phone getting it or not only because the fact that the xoom is using the same hardware that the x2 is using but just a different kernel and ram, I am hoping for the update tho so we can finally us our dual core processor properly since gingerbread limits this
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
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I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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cheesebeard said:
It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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Ibolski has a point I think the other manufacturers just told Verizon to go f*** themselves and unlocked them. After all isn't on the verge of being illegal to lock us out. After all there is nothing illegal about doing anything we want to our phones. They are in essence not allowing us full ownership of our paid for devices
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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never thought of it that way.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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I recently signed a petition on Change.org about Verizon's 2$ charge. And Verizon backed off (oh no! Correlation != Causation!) . Hmm... so what about a similar petition addressing Verizon/Moto.. I know it is laughable, but majority of Verizon customers must be Moto customers as most high end Verizon devices are Moto's. Sooo... what say? Can't hurt.
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
I have a Droid Charge with unlocked bootloader and it still gets no development. I still thoroughly enjoy the phone though. Of the phones on the market, the razr is the one I like best. Moto knows how to make a smooth fast phone with great reception.
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
You should do a side by side comparison of the RAZR next to any other phone... that's what I did before buying my RAZR... I like having a removable SD card and HDMI out... the battery could sway you but I think with the maxx coming out someone will produce an after market cover, after all the battery isn't soldered in like the iphone is... I personally love the quality of Motorola phones... as far as development goes, I wouldn't let the locked bootloader get to you, I had my DroidX for 2 years with a locked bootloader and I still had quite a few roms to flash, doesn't anyone remember 2nd init? I'm sure the RAZR devs will find a way around the stupid bootloader... in the meantime everyone get into operation mosh, and let big red and Motorola know we mean business... I love my RAZR, I personally have a lot of faith in this product, I'm actually looking into learning how to develop for android just because I want to help anyone who takes up the torch to develop for this awesome device
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Can I ask what eclipse is? I'm kind of having the same feelings as the OP. I'm looking for a reason to keep my razr, but some of the other devices are calling for me.
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If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
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The only thing the locked bootloader prevents different kennels from being used. There are two or three roms out now plus a deodexed or two that you install with the bootstrap.
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I can tell you this. I tried out the Nexus for about a week, and took it back. While I LOVE ICS, the phone itself SUCKS. Esp next to the Razr. Slower, horrible battery life, cheap feel, lackluster camera...I could go on and on. I am pissed off too but it is still the best option out there so far.
Sorry for this extremely newb question. This is my first dabble in the Android world, I've always been an iPhone user since moving from dumb to smart phone.
I've been using the Arctic ROM for last couple of weeks and the latest version makes me never want to go back to the stock Rogers ROM. Now here's the question - given that even without an unlocked bootloader, one can still relatively easily flash a new ROM using CWM, what's this big deal about unlocked bootloader. Also what's special about this ever so elusive custom kernel that has been mentioned?
One of the biggest problems I'm seeing with the locked BL bs is that it appears to be scaring away developers who would rather go the easier route and develop on a unlocked machine. Yea you might get it to work on the Razr but it takes steps A-B-C-D-E and who knows how much more for the devs to get it working as opposed to A and B with a ULBL. Look around...we've got very very little in the way of development or ROMS....
If ROM'ing is really important to you, you really ought to get a GNex. Even if the bootloader does get unlocked (which is up in the air, since Moto's broken that promise in the past), there will be far more development for the GNex.
I got the RAZR for the killer hardware and the smooth user experience. I don't know that I'll ROM this even if they do unlock the bootloader, and I was a ROM junkie on my OG Droid.
ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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I pray that you are right. Though I love this phone more than any other phone I've had before (HD2, HD7, Sensation, G2X, Bionic), it's killing me that I can't mess around with it. I paid top dollar for this prostitute. And I want to do whatever I feel like to her, regardless of what her pimp says.
Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Sorry, I have no info on that.
the xoom already had an unlocked bootloader from the last update from what I can tell as on the motodev website, there is a file to relock it if needed
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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That is correct, no BS on my end because I have no reason to make something like that up. I was contacted and it doesnt mean its going to gappen right away.
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I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
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Best price including shipment to Malaysia?
That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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This is the same thing that happened to the atrix, well there quite a lot of activity there but can't really do much coz of a locked tegra. And motor work realese the source for it and the phone is almost a year old.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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thanks buddy......
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thanks buddy......
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My sentiments exactly. The same devs that had faith in this device are still here, they haven't gone anywhere. They have actually been working harder than ever.
I will admit though, other than a couple of key threads the RAZR forum has started to bore me. It certainly doesn't have the liveliness that say the Nexus forum does.
Moto stated with ICS we would see the bootloader unlocked, lets at least wait till then and see if it happens. If it doesn't, then I guess we will do whatever it is we need to do.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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My feelings exactly.
I hear you OP. I share the same thoughts with you. But I don't think an locked boot loader should cause any stop in dev. Not every one is flashing their phone on a daily basis. Not every one is changing their kernel like changing clothes.
In SDK there is library for Razr and I am writing apps specifically for my Razr. We can do hell lots of stuff here even.
There is hope and a mediocre dev like me. Haha. Lets be more constructive and at least help and promote apps dev on this phone.
If anyone here are writing for Razr and better than me (almost every dev) pls lets connect and let me learn from y'all.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
1 - The replacement is the SAME PHONE. It just has a bigger battery.
2 - You can root the phone, there's init.d available, and there are several basic roms out there. You should have never bought this phone if mod'ing is so important to you.
There's a lot of activity at droidrzr.com, and once ICS hits there will be a lot of good stuff out there. For many reasons, this is the best phone I've had. It would be great to have an unlocked bootloader, but for what I need the phone to do I could care less.
Motorola is working on the ICS port to the RAZR. They've already ported to the Xoom tablet. They will release the RAZR port eventually, having learned much from their earlier work and the problems being experienced with the early releases of ICS on the Galaxy Nexis. I believe it is in their interest to produce a port that enhances their flagship phone.
Meanwhile, the Devs seem stuck because of the locked bootloader on the RAZR. So maybe instead of trying to develop workarounds, their time is better spent working with ICS on the Nexis. Then when the Moto port for the RAZR arrives, the Devs can return their attention to the RAZR, having learned a lot from the Nexis, and perhaps having less work to do overall to create killer ROMs for the RAZR given the new platform. An unlocked bootloader on RAZR ICS would be ICSing on the cake.
Maybe this sheds more hope on the X2 getting ICS? The main difference between the phones are the X2 has a dual-core processor while the Incredible 2 has a single-core, but the Incredible 2 has 768MB of RAM while the X2 has 512MB. They both came out at around the same time period as well. Wouldn't the dual-core/single-core processor make a bigger difference on performance with ICS versus the 256MB extra of RAM?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/1...nd-rhyme-will-all-receive-ice-cream-sandwich/
If the Incredible 2 gets it and the X2 doesn't I'm going to be slightly frustrated on the matter.
Hmm, unlocked bootloaders on older phones as well as ICS?
HTC is where I'm headed next when it's time to upgrade this summer...
Well, unless memory management is a real mess on Android, I don't see why 512MBs of ram isn't enough. I ran WinXP for something like 2 years with 512 for 2 years and it ran smooth and fast. Then I added another 512 and to be honest, I couldn't tell the difference. The two OS's don't even compare when it comes to size and what needs to be loaded into ram.
Granted, the processor on the computer was twice as fast as the one on the X2, but I know people who ran XP just fine on the same amount of ram and a 1GHz single core processor. A bit slower than mine, but it ran fine. Perhaps I'm missing something. Don't know but it doesn't make sense to me.
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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You, sir, get a gold star and go to the head of the class. In other word, right on the money.
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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The HTC phone owners I know absolutely rave about their phones. I haven't heard about any hardware failures from them, and we talk about our phones frequently. So far, I've heard the best reviews on the Rezound. Which HTC are you considering?
ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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+1 , indeed.
Think that the massive amounts of phones being created and released will decrease now that Google has acquired Motorola? That maybe, just maybe, they'll focus on quality over quantity?
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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I had a tmobile htc g1 for like 3 years. That thing was indestructible, and i even had gingerbread on it when it finally died. It fell into water no less, not even a hardware failure. Since then iv had an Incredible, which was a tough cookie as well, and a thunderbolt after that. Any talk of failures bar the software bugs the Tbolt had in its release IMO are pretty few and far between. i know i had great luck with them, and had i not loved my droidx so much in the time i had it, i probably wouldnt have a dx2. i do miss my unlocked bootloaders, and 1.8ghz OC on my tbolt too bad the battery life was atrocious. Id say go for an htc next
I also have to think that HTC has hit upon something with their recent commentary about shifting from producing a lot of models of smartphone to producing a few very GOOD models of smartphone. I'm all for this, I don't see any reason why there should be 10 varieties of phone from a single vendor on a couple of carriers, you're just creating problems like what we're seeing from Motorola here.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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In my past experience with HTC phones they didn't last long at all. I had a few crap out on me with hardware failure. But, that was a few years ago they may have better hardware now. Or I would really hope so anyways.
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Every phone I've ever bought turned out to be crap and loose support within months. Next Time its either HTC or Samsung. I vowed not to get Motorola before I bought the X2 but bought it anyway. I love the phone but once again feel shafted.
Our company went with the origional incredible (10-15 phones) and didn't have many hardware issues that I'm aware of. Coverage was typical far as I could tell.
Me, I took a X back then and loved it till they killed it with GB. They offered me a few choices as a free replacement and I took the X2 thinking I had the docks etc for it.
At this point I'm not hesitating to jump ship from Moto, like alot have already said, to many phones pushed onto the market spreading the support for them way way to thin.
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i wasn't impressed with my samsung. my fascinate seemed like it was forgotten the moment it was released. nice screen, though. my inc2 is three times the phone that was, and is currently running ICS with very few bugs, save for buggy camera. the biggest issue and gripe about htc is the audio. on the inc2, at least, the audio levels are low on custom roms unless tweaked in the kernel, due to the weird way they did the audio on this phone. i do like the phone, but for pure modding, i don't think you can beat a nexus. that may be my next device. i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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Yep, the N1 (and its twin, the original Desire) is one of the best Android phones of all time.
I don't understand why you guys are complaining that X2 isn't getting ICS. I mean this phone came out in April or May11... There has only been 1 phone to even release with ICS since then and the next is still about a month out. By the time a ICS update would even hit for this phone, you would probably be a couple months from a upgrade anyway and a waaay better phone.
btw I had a HTC Incredible. Amazing phone and I abused the heck out of it on a physical and software level. Id go back to HTC in a heartbeat when their tegra 3 phone comes out.
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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but the fact remains
Motorola publicly stated/promised to give updates and support devices for 18 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE. our x2 is perfectly capable of handling ics, we SHOULD get it. if we don't I for one will chalk it up to Motorola being lazy, not trying hard enough,.and being greedy (many people WANT ics and by not updating x2 many people will go buy a new device)
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All this talk about HTC and Sami phones being better and all. But put aside cool features and even usability cuz of an unlocked bootloader. Do they sound as good as a phone?
I thought the D3 was a better sounding but had to choose ours cuz of the Bluetooth tone that is forced on D3 users. Yet I never heard a phone sound as good as the original Droid.
Rant off.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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Because of hardware acceleration. It offloads graphical processing from the CPU and places it where it belongs: on the GPU.
Better multitasking via a kernel rewrite to make the system smoother.
Those are the two biggies for me.
And, unless the X2 gets an ICS kernel, you won't see those two things.
....that some people don't like this phone.
Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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This made my day hahahahahahaa xD
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I'll see you in hell.. where the devil knows my name...
I have a Razr Maxx side by side with a Galaxy Nexus, and taking out all the politics and love/hate to their manufacturers, here is my evaluation of them as PHONES (ya know, thingies that make calls):
- Gnex - early ICS, tried more than 10 different ROMs until I settled for one that is just blazing fast. Battery - barely a day. Insufficient battery life, for my needs.
- Razr - Good hardware. Lots of trolling on forums, caused by Motorola's delays. Amazing battery, but without several ROMs to test, the only usable thing is an ICS leak that underperforms - sluggish, and no native SIP (no, I don't want it through 3rd party apps - Gnex's ICS has it. Period.).
I do have a 3200mAh battery for the Gnex. Lasts more than a day with it, but looks like a telephone with a disease. Or a very healthy brick.
At the end of the day, I like them both, but I just wish I had a Gnex with the Razr's battery.
I want to complain about ics leak 211 running great on my RAZR Maxx. ..but then I woke up and realised its as good as it selling. I read something today stating the RAZR/Maxx line gas outsold Verizon's iPhone 4s finally. Might not be much but that's a good foothold.
I like my razr, really much, he's like a son for me, the perfect son.
I just hate motorola, really hate..
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Other than the data issue with this phone. Its perfectly fine.
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BakaPhoenix said:
For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
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i must be doing something wrong on my maxx because i don't even get a day and 1/2.
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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were not going to get jellybean.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Oh, where to begin...
Some guy on the internet says Motorola says they'll unlock the bootloader? Sorry... not official word, not corroborated, blah blah blah. About as believable as that guy who was posting bogus ICS pictures here for the last couple weeks.
Maybe you need to check your info... The Razr is the #1 selling smartphone at Verizon... even surpassing the iPhone.
I've had great support on all my Motorola phones (my Razr Maxx is my 4th). On this phone alone, I've had 2 updates, and ICS should be here shortly. On my last phone, it started on Eclair, was updated to Froyo, and then to Gingerbread. And in between and after, it's had other maintenance updates, too. What more do you want... a valet to charge it for you when it gets low?
I'm sorry that you didn't properly research your phone before you bought it. But whose fault is that? It's certainly not Motorola's.
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were not going to get jellybean.
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*Citation needed
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Oh, where to begin...
*Citation needed
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not really.
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not really.
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Again, my last phone was updated from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread. You have no basis in claiming the Razr will not get Jellybean. Unless you have some proof... which I doubt.