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Why is the MoPho getting no love from Devs at all!? There like 2-3 people actively developing for us...and I completely appreciate their efforts. The Bionic already has more Roms and what not...its crazy...The MoPho is an awesome high end phone with virtually identical specs (besides 1080p video capture)as the Bionic yet I hardly ever hear anything about it...Hhhhh ok I'm done venting. Thank you.
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Part of the popularity is because of the Droid name and the fact that Verizon markets more. I know I have seen a ton of commercials about the Bionic but maybe only one or two about the Photon.
Sprint seems to be spending money on marketing the Epic Touch.
But yea....it is annoying.
Ya, I definitely understand the popularity of the Droid name...I came from the OG Droid and have friends with various Droid devices...But I really think the main factor is the network...theres nothing wrong with Sprint...but regardless of all that, the specs speak for themselves...This phone is awesome...I think I've noticed the lack of attention so much cause there's countless ROMS and Kernels and Dev support for the OG Droid...all I can do is wait I suppose..
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The main thing with the Photon is it is geared towards business more. The Bionic is more pronounced as a game/every day device. I love the Photon and it is certainly lives up to my expectations, but I am waiting for the quad cores to hit next spring and then I'll move towards that. But with the better build Q of Moto devices I may never go back to Samsung again.
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But with the better build Q of Moto devices I may never go back to Samsung again.
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this
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Coming from a e3d there is nothing but crickets in here, Keeping fingers crossed and hope for some more development in the Photon section. In the end though very happy with the purchase, phone is very fast, and everything is working that I need to work.
Mostly because marketing for this phone has been abysmal. That and the fact that it's a /world/ phone only sold in the /USA/.
DERP.
If this was launched internationally I'm wiling to bet we'd be up to our necks in activity in the photon section.
I'm not too worried tho', this phone is great straight out of the box. Only thing that I'd like to have as an option is CM7
There isn't much development work, cause this phone kicks ass with no root... Kinda hard to improve on perfection...
Pew! Pew! Pew! From my Mo-Pho!
http://android-gz.com
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There isn't much development work, cause this phone kicks ass with no root... Kinda hard to improve on perfection...
Pew! Pew! Pew! From my Mo-Pho!
http://android-gz.com
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I would have to agree with this. I can't say that I'm coming from a cell phone world though. The Photon is my first cell phone ever. I have a lot of experience with tech and a lot of my friends were supprised that this was my frist cell (they all thought I had, had one for years) but I did do a lot of research before my decision. I knew about the 3D, The Bionic and Galaxy SII, heck even the iPhone 5 (I have an iPod Touch and like it but I love widgets and being able to make something my own).
The Photon was the phone for me out of them all. HTC like Motorola usually has great software support but Photon was a world phone and I do travel from time to time. Samsung has a bad rep for software support. Google had just bought Motorola. iPhone is a neat mp3/game player but I want a phone too.
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There isn't much development work, cause this phone kicks ass with no root... Kinda hard to improve on perfection...
Pew! Pew! Pew! From my Mo-Pho!
http://android-gz.com
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I definitely agree!
IP IHI II IL said:
There isn't much development work, cause this phone kicks ass with no root... Kinda hard to improve on perfection...
Pew! Pew! Pew! From my Mo-Pho!
http://android-gz.com
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You must be new to XDA. There is always something that can be done. Overclock, underclock, undervolt, tether, full Ubuntu in webtop, cyanogenmod, miui, themes, porting from other phones, I think you get my picture
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You must be new to XDA. There is always something that can be done. Overclock, underclock, undervolt, tether, full Ubuntu in webtop, cyanogenmod, miui, themes, porting from other phones, I think you get my picture
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Yeah there is a lot of stuff that can be done. I haven't really messed with the webtop though.
Agreed....
I think it's just lack of advertisement. I'm from Russia but I sitiing in American segment of internet and I never saw any Photon adv or posts about it, but endless river of samsung or htc crap.
Also I guess I was just spoiled with evo development. Wish I were younger and had the time I would try to develop. I think I am going into flash withdrawal lol.
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Also I guess I was just spoiled with evo development. Wish I were younger and had the time I would try to develop. I think I am going into flash withdrawal lol.
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Agreed! I was flashing a new ROM daily with the EVO and now.....nothing. My GF loves the fact I cant flash ROM's anymore but I have my fingers crossed things will pick up in here.
to be fair tho everything we have is from the atrix. i havent seen a single mopho owner make a rom yet....
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to be fair tho everything we have is from the atrix. i havent seen a single mopho owner make a rom yet....
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this.
I would love to dig around and learn but I have 5 kids at home and that allows very little time..
For me, I'm totally diggin' the phone the way it is.. stock/rooted. I don't feel anything 'needs' improved.. I mean sure, things can always be tweaked for the sake of tweaking (undervolt, overclock, etc.) but for me, there really aren't any other necessities besides CM7 and that's in the works.. so, for me, I'm good.
If I felt the phone was lacking somewhere, I'd certainly feel motivated to learn about ROM building etc.. but I could care less.. hehehe..
Again, I'm patiently awaiting CM7.. other than that, this device is bad ass !!
Im still loving the stock rom, I would love to make some roms/themes anything like that as well, but I only know a half-assed ammount about that stuff, and Im guessing everyone doesnt want a half-assed rom
I CAN however offer hosting to any of the MoPho Devs I have unlimited bandwidth and space on my server
Shabby. can you point me to a good starting point on making a ROM. have no problem trying just don't know where to start. had evo before this and there were so many roms there was no point in trying.
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Hello,
As a former HTC EVO3D Owner from the "First to Buy" opportunity in June before Sprint sold their soul to get the iPhone and before that an EVO 4G, I gotta say I absolutely am blown away by the Photon. I was quite intrigued by it when it was released, but Sprint staggered the release so that it was past 30 Days between when the 2 Phones were released.
I had so many issues with my 3D that I literally had 4 Replacement Handsets sent. I was finally so fed up that I told them either give me a Photon or I am cancelling.
The one thing I did not want to do is give up my last Annual Upgrade which they offered to move up if I paid $55 due to LTE coming and actually having a real chance of Nationwide availability.
Back to the Photon, while it took about 45 minutes to get used to the UI, I am really liking this phone more and more each day. And the Speaker is absurdly better than the one in the 3D. As in I can finally hear Netflix and all the Music on my Phone.
While I hope there is an official ICS Release, there are obviously ways around it. Moreover, with the vastly better Call Quality, Speaker, and just how much better it works in low signal strength areas, I am pretty much positive I will be getting whatever Motorola LTE device that comes out around June. Hopefully, it will be similar to the Razr.
It is weird, I have been with Sprint since 1999 and one of my all time favorite Phones was the StarTac I had around a decade ago. Unfortunately, my ex GF's Dog took it and digged a hole in the Yard. (found years later) Since then, there have been very few Motorola Handsets. I can only hope Sprint maintains at least cordial relations with Moto.
Cheers,
JJ
Welcome dude! You think its fast now, try unlocking and running CM7/CM9(ics) it will blow your mind. I'm pretty sure it's getting an official ICS update but the ics build we have now is phenomenal even at alpha stage.
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Welcome dude! You think its fast now, try unlocking and running CM7/CM9(ics) it will blow your mind. I'm pretty sure it's getting an official ICS update but the ics build we have now is phenomenal even at alpha stage.
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Hello,
Thanx for the welcome. I am planning on Rooting and running CM7 this Weekend.
Cheers,
JJ
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Hello,
Thanx for the welcome. I am planning on Rooting and running CM7 this Weekend.
Cheers,
JJ
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Ive been switching between CM7 and CM9 back and forth but CM7 is my daily driver. ICS is coming along nicely I must say. Don't forget you lose 4G when you unlock your device
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Ive been switching between CM7 and CM9 back and forth but CM7 is my daily driver. ICS is coming along nicely I must say. Don't forget you lose 4G when you unlock your device
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Welcome! Hang out! I'm rooted, but not unlocked. Funny Kenny, I had my Evo for a year, I got Photon August 2nd 2011. I have used 4G EXACTLY 3 times!!!
Hello,
My most sincerest thanks again for the warm welcome. I have been with Sprint since 1999 and must say this is my favorite Handset by a Country Mile. Next comes Rooting and all that fun stuff.
I also love that when using ADW EX that the Motorola Widgets are available whereas the HTC Sense Widgets are not. And the difference with 4G staying connected is amazing. I was in Tampa/St. Pete today and the Photon never dropped Wimax whereas the 3D constantly did.
Cheers,
J
I am also coming from the evo 3d, I've had the photon for about a week now and it is really a great phone there are only a few things o don't like but can deal with it
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I am also coming from the evo 3d, I've had the photon for about a week now and it is really a great phone there are only a few things o don't like but can deal with it
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Out of curiosity, what don't you like about it?
Not to hijack but I'm totally opposite OP. Coming from Evo4g I think the Photon is a POS...I've had 3 replacements (reboot issues) and the 3rd still has trouble...mind you, all my issues are in heavy roam/no signal areas which I believe to be the factor but these probs didn't exist for my evo.
However, I recently flashed jokers cm9/ics and can vouch for Kenny's claims...this rom is sick as hell and so far my phone feels like a new unit. No crashes or issues yet in my roaming state, I can only cross my fingers at this point.
I'll likely jump ship if the Nexus hits anytime soon.
@cclarck, nothing personal, but do you think maybe it's you? you stated you flashed it, maybe your area does not like your radio? You also stated roaming?
Just saying. I have been reading for @ week on the Nexus, not impressed at all. (and if you have problems with Photon, good luck with the Samsung!)
Me specifically? No I don't believe so...now my photon in relation to my area...yes most likely. As you can see I'm a lurker but I have quite a bit of experience trying new roms/kernels on all my phones but the Photon has been nothing but frustrations to this point. That being said, it's not like there was a disclaimer on the Photon when I upgraded saying that it's radio would be complete sh!t compared to my evo while roaming, all while causing shutdowns requiring a battery pull/plugin.
I'd like to reinforce that cm9/ics so far is phenomenal, but 2 days soak is hardly extensive testing yet...
edit: Oh and I am certainly very scared to go to a Sammy, I think their build quality is the worst and I hate the plastic feel. My main reason for jumping aside from my photon history is wanting that huge screen; and I like the nex over the touch. Sprint needs more phones =(
If you want a huge screen skip the galaxy nexus and wait for the galaxy note. Sprint's definitely getting and that screen is even bigger. If you don't know what the galaxy note is check this out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMmMrUwRnI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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If you want a huge screen skip the galaxy nexus and wait for the galaxy note. Sprint's definitely getting and that screen is even bigger. If you don't know what the galaxy note is check this out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMmMrUwRnI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I'm not a fan of Samsung, but that will make this brother walk the plank and see ya!!
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I'm not a fan of Samsung, but that will make this brother walk the plank and see ya!!
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Yeah I don't like sammy either but this phone looks cool. I'm not going to get it as my contract expires this Feb. I may move my 2 lines somewhere else don't know yet. Sprints future looks promising with lte and all the hot devices launching but I simply can't wait till 2013 lol. I want to go back to gsm so I can swap sim cards as I please lol. God I hate cdma! I'm thinking att, definitely not t-mobile I worked there previously for almost 4 years. (I hate those bastards)
I've had att and never ever again, I've been through every carrier and they were the most frustrating with dropped calls and such. Unfortunately, my area is predominately Verizon but I missed the grandfathered data so no thanks to that too.
I dunno, every phone has it's fan base that disses on other brands and what-not so I get it. I haven't had Sammy experience since the Incredibad so maybe their build quality is better than I give credit...I def see a love/hate for every brand though, not just sammy.
I was in love with my photon when I first had it, even ignoring all the launch issues and replacements but it all eventually wore me down to never wanting a moto again =(
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Yeah I don't like sammy either but this phone looks cool. I'm not going to get it as my contract expires this Feb. I may move my 2 lines somewhere else don't know yet. Sprints future looks promising with lte and all the hot devices launching but I simply can't wait till 2013 lol. I want to go back to gsm so I can swap sim cards as I please lol. God I hate cdma! I'm thinking att, definitely not t-mobile I worked there previously for almost 4 years. (I hate those bastards)
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Oh I'm gonna get it, day one, full price!!! I just hope they drop it before summer!! And it may be GSM/CDMA, who knows. @ the poster before me, yes all phones have their good and bad and you have individuals that talk negative about other phones, but each phone I look up, EVERYONE has a negative comment on Sammy's radios!! EVERYONE!!
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I've had att and never ever again, I've been through every carrier and they were the most frustrating with dropped calls and such. Unfortunately, my area is predominately Verizon but I missed the grandfathered data so no thanks to that too.
I dunno, every phone has it's fan base that disses on other brands and what-not so I get it. I haven't had Sammy experience since the Incredibad so maybe their build quality is better than I give credit...I def see a love/hate for every brand though, not just sammy.
I was in love with my photon when I first had it, even ignoring all the launch issues and replacements but it all eventually wore me down to never wanting a moto again =(
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Perhaps you may want to look into this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
It's a bit of a pain to set up at first but once you do it's worth it. My calls drop all the time in my apartment with Sprint, but not at all using a Verizon PRL.
There's a danger of roaming too much and getting noticed by Sprint, but for most people it seems to take 3+ months for Sprint to notice, and even then you'll more than likely receive a warning letter first.
I've been using this over over 6 months and I've gotten 1 warning letter but when I inquired about it with a Sprint chat rep, he said I was not in danger of being cut.
So YMVM, but it'd help at least short-term.
Hello,
For some reason, I cannot stand Samsung. This extends to their TV's and other Home Theater Components. I am a Moderator on a Moderator on a AV Forum with close to 100,000 Members and find it hard to recommend them.
For whatever reason, I lump them in with Hyundai (I must say they have made huge strides over the past years since the $3,999 Hyundai Excel) Regardless, I tend to prefer the Japanese and American Companies. I know everything is manufactured in China or Malaysia.
Cheers,
JJ
I am ALSO Rooted but NOT Unlocked. My area is Saturated with 4G and I use it ALOT. I have Unlimited Mobile Hotspot (GrandFathered in since I have been a customer since 1997) and use it on my Samsung Galaxy Player5.0 and HTC EVO View 4G (while out and about). I only use WiFi on the HTC EVO View (Did Not want ANOTHER Data Contract) and just Tether to my Photon.
looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
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the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Aight coo
Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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I think it was supposed to be "first quarter" which I guess is in June now.
Once again, I'll believe it when I see the OTA notification on my phone.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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my first thought was "if this is another crappy article making radical claims someones getting an angry letter"
good to hear =)
should be happy the ETA isn't in 2013 at the current rollout rates hehe
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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And look at the GNex. Six months after release and still on 4.0.2. If you have one of those you must really be steaming. What happened to the Google Experience?
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If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
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Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
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I only half disagree with this. If it were up to HTC/Samsung/Google/etc. all the devices, more than likely, would be kept up to date, and in a somewhat timely fashion.
Look at the Verizon GNex. Do you think Google and Samsung don't have a working build of 4.0.4 on it? Sure they do. Verizon just isn't happy with it, for whatever reason. Same thing applies to 90% of phones in the US.
The international, unlocked versions of phones get the newer updates faster than their US counterparts, and the cell companies have a huge impact on that.
I'm not saying manufacturers and Google don't deserve some of the blame, because they do; they're pretty lazy and complacent in a way that Apple would never be. But I think Verizon is more at fault than any other party, and I'd like to see the cell companies get more heat than Google over this stuff lately.
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but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
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Oh, my, God. I must have that device. Lol awesome name.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I don't care about whether or not stock phones can get updates or not. The only point I'll start getting annoyed is when it starts becoming difficult to even ROM the phone. In our case, we don't have kernel source. In my world, that's the only real big issue with fragmentation: With so many different hardware configurations out and more and more proprietary software sprouting up (the plethora grows!), getting someone to create a stable ROM and maintain it becomes ever harder.
All this choice is good for people with different things in mind and even though ICS is the business, Gingerbread (IMO) is still pretty sweet. Stock Gingerbread, that is. But boy, now we're having a hard time getting kernels made, the number of devices we have are definitely starting to outpace the number of developers with the time on their hands, etc.
Really you guys don't see a problem with it taking so long to get updates? I know I do. So maybe we will have an update in 6-8 weeks and kernel source in 8-10 that's great. I often wonder what HTC does all day. Must be a pretty laid back place to work.
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
Yea but most of these "announcements" have obviously been fake. I don't recall HTC ever putting anything out saying when they would roll updates out. I could be wrong though as I haven't given it too much attention
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
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This is the first word from HTC regarding the update. In reality, all the other "announcements" were unconfirmed rumors.
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Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
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only 10 weeks...this puts how short the summer is into perspective. i think ill sit back and try to stop obsessively checking the forums for nebulous ics updates and enjoy the summer. hell we worry more about it then some devs do
The problem is, is that if the upgrade is slated to hit at the end of July, it'll be August possibly before we get kernel source since it usually takes like two weeks for source to release.
We don't get updates because of device/carrier fragmentation. Each level of choice is an opportunity for the manufacturer or carriert to differentiate their product or service. This is necessary to be competitive with its industry rivals and to continue to grow sales, thus making shareholders happy. It becomes difficult to allocate resources to support such a wide range of hardware apps and carrier specific needs, so the choice has to be made, which device to support. Then it becomes a question as to, support for which user base will benefit the company most. But this always come behind pushing the newest product, as support is an expense which only produces goodwill. That being said they almost always promise that whatever their selling will be fully supported and updated expeditiously.
I switched to the HTC evo 4G when it came out and I swore up and down that HTC was the best. They were 2 years ago. They had timely updates, awesome software and hardware, everything worked right out of the box. I don't know what happened to them. No matter what rom I use it have little glitches and bugs, proximity sensor doesn't work properly sometimes. It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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I switched to the HTC evo 4G when it came out and I swore up and down that HTC was the best. They were 2 years ago. They had timely updates, awesome software and hardware, everything worked right out of the box. I don't know what happened to them. No matter what rom I use it have little glitches and bugs, proximity sensor doesn't work properly sometimes. It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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HTC is digging its own grave. We better see jellybean by the end of this year or else....my new years resolution will be to go elsewhere.
The fact that everything works on the stock rom means that it's because of the rom your running or some setting you goofed with. Unroot and return to stock if little quirks are your issue. Root will always involve little bugs like that... It always has as long as I've been a flash addict.
Honestly, if your on anything but a stock Rom, its not HTC....
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That's the thing, I run stock 98% of the time. The reason I try other roms is to see if these bugs are widespread. I like stock, and maybe it's my phone. That brings me to another thing that I envy about Samsung, ease of root. There is no locked bootloader. I don't want to trade my s-off evo for a refurbished one that has an hboot I can't s-off. I know a downgrade method has been found, which is awesome news, but my point is that HTC should know better by now.
I was originally going to go with the EVO brand, but I went from the Epic to the Evo 3D, where the bootloader was locked down tight. I took my device back and bought a SGS2. Then I was going to give the EVO LTE a chance, but after the SGSIII was announced, I knew what my choice was.
HTC used to be really good and friendly to the devs here but now they're not too friendly about it. Samsung's always been friendly towards devs (aside from Verizon devices). That is why I went with them.
EDIT: and also post SGS2, Samsung's device support has been alot better. The first SGS wasn't too good. lol
What annoys me about HTC, is that stuff that I want to work easily just doesn't. For example, USB host is already enabled on Samsung phones, for some reason HTC has it disabled in their stock Rom/kernel. And HTC, why do you have to be so cantankerous when it comes to root? You go through great means to lock down the system. Why not just make a simple OEM unlock? But I got to admit...I do love sense.
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I know, I love sense, I love the screen. Maybe I'm just being too picky. I was on t-Mobile and I had the Samsung vibrant. It was the first galaxy and it was a pos. I told myself I would never get another Samsung, lately I've been debating trying them again though.
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I know, I love sense, I love the screen. Maybe I'm just being too picky. I was on t-Mobile and I had the Samsung vibrant. It was the first galaxy and it was a pos. I told myself I would never get another Samsung, lately I've been debating trying them again though.
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I'll admit, I just recently started having an interest in the Galaxy Nexus. But even still, I'm HTC all the way.
samsung is the new future apple. stay away from communism.
ntox101 said:
samsung is the new future apple. stay away from communism.
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Of course. I'm more interested in one of their phones, not them and their portfolio of phones. I'd never make the switch. Sense is too valuable, and the build quality alone would make me a lifetime HTC customer.
In all reality I probably won't switch, I think I just felt like whining about little. Hopefully things get ironed out and we get a good update soon.
bugs with root? sorry but that's the silliest thing i've read in a while....
custom roms not fully based on stock firmware [read: mixed releases hacked together/ports/aosp] released by HTC, MAY have some bug here and there, or even broken things. This is expected, unless building from 100% released source.
stock-based roms can be fully upgraded, features added, speeds tweaked, etc and stay as good as ever...
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In all reality I probably won't switch, I think I just felt like whining about little. Hopefully things get ironed out and we get a good update soon.
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In Dr. Phil voice...."And Metalfan, how does this make you feel"?
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And LTE connectivity issues just pushes things over the edge.
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metalfan78 said:
.... It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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Phone being out longer does have everything to do with updates....just the opposite of how you want it to be. Sprint will update devices in order of last flagship released gets it first. It's common sense they do it this way and only rare cases does that not hold true.
So you want updates first, but the most recent flagship from Samsung or HTC. Whoever released later will get OT first likely...
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That makes sense. I didn't think of it that way. I'm not worried about getting jellybean, but it would be nice to get a maintenance update soon.
Really think the EVO LTE was pushed out too fast. I know this isn't a big epiphany or anything. Sprint had them modify the one x to have an exclusive one series phone and it shows. HTC had a limited time to make those modifications as well. Considering that, I think they did a fairly decent job.
Due to the issues with this device I believe I will research and wait further before buying a new HTC phone (as well I should and on other brands too).
As soon as I heard about the new EVO I was in, pre-ordered immediately. Never again! Or until the EVO LTEX part deux comes out, maybe, possibly.
I pre-ordered my EVO as soon as it was available too, but I was so desperate for an upgrade (coming from an LG Optimus S) that I didn't care about any of the shortcomings (remember the multitasking fiasco?).
I had a little bit of buyer's remorse when the S3 came out, but it only took a few minutes of actually playing with one to realize it wasn't for me.
HTC may have been a little rushed and/or off-track when they released the EVO, but they've already pushed two fairly major updates that have fixed a lot of our initial complaints (multitasking, hideous 3-dot menu button, overall smoothness). I don't have LTE in my area yet, so I can't comment on 4G connectivity issues. But I'm willing to bet that will be sorted as well.
All-in-all I'm pretty happy with the EVO, but I'll probably be a little more wary on my next upgrade about getting caught up in the "next big thing" release hype for whatever's out a year and a half from now.
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Phone being out longer does have everything to do with updates....just the opposite of how you want it to be. Sprint will update devices in order of last flagship released gets it first. It's common sense they do it this way and only rare cases does that not hold true.
So you want updates first, but the most recent flagship from Samsung or HTC. Whoever released later will get OT first likely...
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Didn't the EVO get an update to gingerbread before the Samsung Epic did?
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digiblur said:
Didn't the EVO get an update to gingerbread before the Samsung Epic did?
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Ehh maybe.... But at that time there was a new flagship on HTC out anyway...when comparing against OEMs I guess its best to say only against the latest flagship device on each side...
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