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My cousin has an EVO 3D and he is currently running a ROM that has the beats software built in like the newer HTC phones coming out. I was wondering if there is already a ROM or if its in the works for the thunderbolt?
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Fake. 99 percent of all Beats audio ports are fake.
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It's clearly not fake I saw and used it, I plugged in the beats and it said enable beats in the status bar. The control talk worked and the quality sounded great too. The EVO devs are really doin amazing right now is the word on the street.
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oh dear....
Calling Adrynalyne out is NOT usually a good idea on these kinds of matters. I'll be standing by to see you get schooled.
A notification icon clearly proves it works. I will kindly not bother with this one, because I know better and there is no point in discussing it further.
Alright, I lied.
Here is why Beats is fake on most devices: Because the audio drivers cannot be ported. Beats is not just an apk.
Beat consists of at the very least:
A notification apk.
A Beats aware music player that can switch audio profiles when detecting Beats headphones.
Drivers.
Depending on who you ask, a supporting DSP.
Can all roms run the notification apk? Yes, along with the appropriate modifications to display it.
Can they all run the Beats aware music player? Sort of.
There are are tutorials out there on how to make your music player Beats aware to work with any headphones. What they actually do: Trick the apk into thinking its connected to Beats headphones. HOWEVER: They strip out the profile switching code, and are basically just triggering the notification with no change for anything else. If you do not believe me, go diff a beats enabled music apk and one that is not.
Can drivers be ported? Not usually. Go grep drivers and see if they contain Beats code in them. I bet the Kingdom does not. The DHD does not, and we DEF. do not. The Sensation may.
So, how do I know there is more to it than just the music apk? Besides the obvious code doing nothing but triggering the notification?
I have two Thunderbolts. I "ported" Beats to Thunderbolt A, and kept Thunderbolt B stock.
First, I tested Thunderbolt A alone. I was impressed, the sound was GREAT! Not believing my sense of placebo effects, I tested it next to the Thunderbolt B. Same song, same headphones, switching back and forth.
It was EXACTLY the same.
So I did some research. Nearly every thread out there of anyone who truly spent the time investigating, found it to be placebo.
adrynalyne said:
Alright, I lied.
Here is why Beats is fake on most devices: Because the audio drivers cannot be ported. Beats is not just an apk.
Beat consists of at the very least:
A notification apk.
A Beats aware music player that can switch audio profiles when detecting Beats headphones.
Drivers.
Depending on who you ask, a supporting DSP.
Can all roms run the notification apk? Yes, along with the appropriate modifications to display it.
Can they all run the Beats aware music player? Sort of.
There are are tutorials out there on how to make your music player Beats aware to work with any headphones. What they actually do: Trick the apk into thinking its connected to Beats headphones. HOWEVER: They strip out the profile switching code, and are basically just triggering the notification with no change for anything else. If you do not believe me, go diff a beats enabled music apk and one that is not.
Can drivers be ported? Not usually. Go grep drivers and see if they contain Beats code in them. I bet the Kingdom does not. The DHD does not, and we DEF. do not. The Sensation may.
So, how do I know there is more to it than just the music apk? Besides the obvious code doing nothing but triggering the notification?
I have two Thunderbolts. I "ported" Beats to Thunderbolt A, and kept Thunderbolt B stock.
First, I tested Thunderbolt A alone. I was impressed, the sound was GREAT! Not believing my sense of placebo effects, I tested it next to the Thunderbolt B. Same song, same headphones, switching back and forth.
It was EXACTLY the same.
So I did some research. Nearly every thread out there of anyone who truly spent the time investigating, found it to be placebo.
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This, beats is a huge gimmick and doesn't actually do anything. I've actually found that it makes things sound worse and clips a bunch of frequencies on my touchpad...
Beats lmao
I hope noone really buys into this **** on the phones or any of the headphones either, garbage all junk.
I can't believe what people will buy today that are easily manipulated and uneducated.
I hope none of this **** finds its way near my phone.
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Hi peeps,
Am having hard time with my evo 3d with sound quality.its too low. i tried couple of sound hack apps but no difference. Anyone have similar issue or just me lol
Yup speaker night as well not even be there. this camera sucks I wish we had the original Evo camera and speaker
It Works
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1147436&highlight=qpst
Hi folks go to this thread and you can boost your audio... It is NOT an app so be careful. You're playing with the base levels of the phone. You won't have a quadrophonic blaupunkt but it will go up. There's quite a bit of other fun stuff you can do too.
Cheers!
I had a similar problem but it went away when I got a replacement phone. I can confirm that the sound quality problem is a defect. My new phone which is the 3rd one I've had so far, has very very loud speaker volume compared to the first two I had.
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3rd phone?
what happened to the first two, just out of curiousity lol. HTC has to know that this is a issue. I just did that QPST business by Slayer, and I really don't think it helped.
The EVo has twice the sound that this 3d has, I gotta tell you, overall, I kind of wish I hadn't gotten this phone.
Did you try Volume +? I notice a difference when not using it in Myn's rom.
My sound has been working good..
gotojanoo said:
Hi peeps,
Am having hard time with my evo 3d with sound quality.its too low. i tried couple of sound hack apps but no difference. Anyone have similar issue or just me lol
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Try intalling a custom rom with beats audio
I want to get beats audio in evo 3d latest update can anyone help me out. Thanks in advance
I tried adding it to the newest version using the mod to add Beats and unlocked Sprint HotSpot, but I got stuck on the splash screen. I know they got the unlocked HotSpot done, but I'm waiting for an updated Beats mod. If someone could make it flashable again, that'd be GREAT!
Yeah i have also tried that mod and i got the same results
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Yeah i have also tried that mod and i got the same results
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Too many changes to the framework. Best bet is try a stock 2.17 rom with beats added in. Otherwise you need to pull your framework files and mix it in yourself.
I dont know of any 2.17 rom with integrated beats
You would be better off just flashing back to the previous RUU.
Several reasons why it would be pointless to make a “flashable” for this…
The first and most notable is the fact that it goes way more in depth than having a simple little preset equalizer. You need a kernel with the beats drivers built into it. The linux kernel is the function of android that handles all audio processing. Your sounds drivers have frequency ranges which enable your phone to process sound. Chad’s older kernels were the only kernels that had this done properly. If you want to improve sound, you would be better off using one of those.
My personal experience has been virus’ eternity 1.4.2 ROM plus chad’s REV09 or RC3 beats kernels is the best sounding ROM for music. Without his kernels, music (to me anyways) sounds like garbage through these phones.
Unless you can verify the actual sound processing capability of the new RUU, don’t waste your time with beats. Just download a free equalizer from the market and call it good.
Ahh gotcha now with a beats kernel you arent goin to have true beats can you postlinks to your setup so i can download
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Ahh gotcha now with a beats kernel you arent goin to have true beats can you postlinks to your setup so i can download
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well actually it's the opposite. WITHOUT a beats kernel, without beats drivers, you will not have true beats. I have found that the biggest difference in sound on this phone is noticed with or without a beats kernel. everything else is just extra ingredients on the cake.
right now I am running steel ROM 2.72 with Chad's REV09 beats kernel (the one that was up for a couple days before it had to be pulled). his RC3 A06 beats kernel was right on par if not better than REV09. I have been using REV09 for my DD since its release since I am very much into music. shoot me a pm if you need anything....
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Reason im looking for beats audio is bacuse i have a pair of beats audio headsets and they work great when listening to music i love listening to music and with beats i find it mor enjoyable btw add me on google talk [email protected]
I hear a difference using my Skullcandy 50/50's when I used Beats on the 2.08 OEM ROM. If anyone does get it modified for 2.17, I'd welcome it. But with ICS due soon, might as well wait, right?
Yeah true thats what i was thinking ics is just around the corner
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525226
This looks promising.
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It does it would be great to have this included in our feature roms
Bla, Bla, Bla.......
^ beats audio hater?
I installed it as soon as it was in the portal. It works really well, no problems.
I installed it, but I just didn't really notice much of a difference. I don't know if it makes a difference if you're using headphones or what not but just listening to music thorugh the phone, I just didn't notice a lot of difference.
Speaking of which, a student of mine left his Beats headphones on my desk. So I decided to check them out while at the gym. They were pretty cool...not enough midrange and i didn't think the highs were high enough. Then I asked how much he paid for them
OMG! Really?! I thought the Bose headset I checked out sounded a lot better and were less than half the price.
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I installed it as soon as it was in the portal. It works really well, no problems.
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What zip did you use? what version of clockwork did you use? and does it show the beats icon in the bar like a sense rom?
celljunkie707 said:
What zip did you use? what version of clockwork did you use? and does it show the beats icon in the bar like a sense rom?
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You just asked everything I was about to
I just used the zip that was in the thread and used beta 1 cwm, and yes the only difference is with headphones as far as I can tell.
do i just install the files for anyandroid 2.3+?
That doesnt tell us what zip.
2.3? Samsung?
I hae flashed the all android, the Samsung and the 3-2-2012 zips and the files don't install.
When I try to do it manually and fix permissions my phone will not boot up.
Weird.
Give me a minute and I'll post the link I used. Seems as it has been removed for some reason, probably legal.
http://db.tt/SSYeX2e4
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Give me a minute and I'll post the link I used. Seems as it has been removed for some reason, probably legal.
http://db.tt/SSYeX2e4
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Ok. i flashed that zip and plugged in headphones. there is no beats notification. or any indication that it actually works.
Just did the same. No idea if its doing anything or not.
Power Amp
install PowerAmp from the market this will blow your headset or your eardrums , i have never heard audio this loud out of a headset !!
No beats notification but there is a definite difference in sound quality
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install PowerAmp from the market this will blow your headset or your eardrums , i have never heard audio this loud out of a headset !!
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I have PowerAmp but I am extremely new to equalizers (I came from 4+ years of iOS). I have read a few threads on XDA, but what are your PowerAmp settings?
I installed the zip but I see no beats in poweramp volume section
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Give me a minute and I'll post the link I used. Seems as it has been removed for some reason, probably legal.
http://db.tt/SSYeX2e4
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Did you flash this zip or manually move them?
I was just wondering if there is any way to forcibly increase the max volume limit on ICS? I've seen some apps in the market that claim to, but wanted to ask here first. I can't hear the phone ring if I'm in just a moderately loud environment, and my last phones (iPhone 4, Galaxy S and OG Droid) were all PLENTY loud.
Let me know, thanks!
hahaha i love our 100% opposite threads.
and i do 100% commend you for starting your own thread about it, rather thank hijacking the other. thank god there's still some courteous forum members out there!
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hahaha i love our 100% opposite threads.
and i do 100% commend you for starting your own thread about it, rather thank hijacking the other. thank god there's still some courteous forum members out there!
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I agree with the OP and would like to see this myself. I can never hear my phone if there is mild background noise. Almost never hear texts unless it is dead quite.
Was at a strip club for a friends bachelor party and my phone rang a few times that night. Never heard it. Kept hearing my buddies iPhone all night though.
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how about.....a dev request for just MORE steps of volume?
so like, the steps go by 5 or so
5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and so on...that would make me happy with lower volumes, and would make you guys happy for louder perhaps
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I agree with the OP and would like to see this myself. I can never hear my phone if there is mild background noise. Almost never hear texts unless it is dead quite.
Was at a strip club for a friends bachelor party and my phone rang a few times that night. Never heard it. Kept hearing my buddies iPhone all night though.
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I actually found one that works well. Its called volume+, and its $2 on the market or free on his forum. For the rezound, because it has beats, it needs a special audio-settings.conference file, which he also has posted on his forum with instructions to add it. I turned the audio settings all the way up and it makes a considerable difference, without too much distortion. Give it a try
Just a suggestion...i make my own ring tones from mp3s in audacity and just pump up the gain. Right now it's the guitar riff from Mr jack by system of a down and it makes people around me jump even in a busy loud store when it rings, hell I could hear it at the last football game I was at.
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I actually found one that works well. Its called volume+, and its $2 on the market or free on his forum. For the rezound, because it has beats, it needs a special audio-settings.conference file, which he also has posted on his forum with instructions to add it. I turned the audio settings all the way up and it makes a considerable difference, without too much distortion. Give it a try
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Thanks for the tip on the extra file. Used Volume+ for months when everybody else gushed over DSPManager. Going to fire it up again now and see what it can do on my newer ROM.
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I actually found one that works well. Its called volume+, and its $2 on the market or free on his forum. For the rezound, because it has beats, it needs a special audio-settings.conference file, which he also has posted on his forum with instructions to add it. I turned the audio settings all the way up and it makes a considerable difference, without too much distortion. Give it a try
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I need this file, volume Plus doesn't seem to work otherwise for me
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Yakuzagang5 said:
I actually found one that works well. Its called volume+, and its $2 on the market or free on his forum. For the rezound, because it has beats, it needs a special audio-settings.conference file, which he also has posted on his forum with instructions to add it. I turned the audio settings all the way up and it makes a considerable difference, without too much distortion. Give it a try
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I will check that out. Thanks for the info!
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can you not get DSP manager??? im on GB but was just wondering
I know on CM it would rock the phone on my thunderbolt
but i thought it had something to do with the kernel also because IMO had a kernel that had very low sound and then he revamped it and it came out good
this looks promising but i do not have ICS just got my rezound today but this guy said he extracted DSP from a AOSP rezound ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1569609
How do you make a phone ring louder with DSP manager??
I have it in my ICS ROM but I don't see any volume settings in it??
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How do you make a phone ring louder with DSP manager??
I have it in my ICS ROM but I don't see any volume settings in it??
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probably just set "phone speaker" to have a higher output in the EQ..or just raise the EQ so they're all even, but like 5 steps up or so
With DSP Manager, the only thing that really makes it loud is headset virtual room. But of course its only available for headphone setting. Eq dont do squat in headphone setting...no effect... But EQ works ok on speaker. Just dont go all that loud even with the EQ enabled, but no volume boost for main speaker. Need louder volume on the Rezound....period regardless what ROM you using. Im on GB still
What about that xloud mod that I've been seeing lately I see that newt baked it into his new Rom and actually works we need to get all the devs to bake this in the roms this and the bravia engine as they are good together cleaner graphics and louder sound
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Yakuzagang5 said:
I actually found one that works well. Its called volume+, and its $2 on the market or free on his forum. For the rezound, because it has beats, it needs a special audio-settings.conference file, which he also has posted on his forum with instructions to add it. I turned the audio settings all the way up and it makes a considerable difference, without too much distortion. Give it a try
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I purchased this app a year or so ago but don't bother installing it anymore. I immediately found it didn't play well with DSP manager, both start FCing constantly if they are installed together. I couldn't see that it made much of a noticeable difference anyway Other than for headset volume and that's plenty loud enough anyway.
Where did you find the beats fix?? I just searched that site for beats fix, Rezound mods etc etc and got no result at all???
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What about that xloud mod that I've been seeing lately I see that newt baked it into his new Rom and actually works we need to get all the devs to bake this in the roms this and the bravia engine as they are good together cleaner graphics and louder sound
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If you search theres a universal zip that works on all roms somewhere on xda
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I purchased this app a year or so ago but don't bother installing it anymore. I immediately found it didn't play well with DSP manager, both start FCing constantly if they are installed together. I couldn't see that it made much of a noticeable difference anyway Other than for headset volume and that's plenty loud enough anyway.
Where did you find the beats fix?? I just searched that site for beats fix, Rezound mods etc etc and got no result at all???
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It's listed on the releases page I believe, and it's it's own separate thread, called [MOD] htc device fix or something along those lines. And you have to install that audio_settings.conf file he provides if you're on a Rezound for it to make a difference. I installed it and have the volume set to +15 and it makes it unbelievably better. Much, much louder, and I set the eq to Beats like and there's very little distortion at full volume, and notifications/ringtones are much, much louder.
here's the thread for volume+ fix for htc devices with beats:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642379
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here's the thread for volume+ fix for htc devices with beats:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642379
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Yeah it was easy to do. Just used root explorer and switched out the files. I got them off the developers site though.
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Yeah it was easy to do. Just used root explorer and switched out the files. I got them off the developers site though.
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when you first open volume+ it says to go to settings and enable volume+, but there is no option when I go to settings, under sound.
Does yours have that option?
Hey everybody.
Just wanted to point out a fact about xLoud and the terrible overuse on recent ROMs/Kernels from people that have no sense of audio quality and clarity, or people that don't actualy know what a DSP is, what it can do, what it can't do.
So what is xLoud? What does it promise to do and what does it really do?
So xLoud apparently is a "technology" that can offer you "magically" more audio volume to your smartphone without changing anything to your phone as a hardware.
You know, when you have studied music technology and you know how physics and audio hardware works, reading to a phrase like this one, you know that something very fishy is going on. Reading the technology's description word by word you know that such thing is impossible to happen in real life.
So what xLoud really does to your smartphone's audio? Does it really work or it's just another thing that gives empty promises?
Breaking down xLoud:
So what xLoud really does is think how our ear and brain percieves audio and how they can take advantage of it to (obviously) fake a higher volume sound. So their idea is to take advantage of the fact that our ear has sensitivity to mid range frequencies and base everything around that. OK that's good but how can you take advantage of such thing to make a hardware perform a higher volume sound than what it does? Easy, it's called linear audio dynamic range compression. So what they do is they steal dynamics from the frequency ranges our ear is less sensitive to them and then assign the extra dynamic range to your effect. So they take the extra space and they over compress (or better over limmit) the audio to a point what you hear is simply a panic of noises since there is no dynamic range between the most loud part of a sound/track (like a kick) to the least busy part of the sound/track (a whisper) and make everything sound super-loud, avoiding the fact that our ear has also the sensitivity of dynamic range to percieve and understand audio hence they render the result amataurish, ugly, clipping and completely unrecognisable. Anyone that knows how Audition/Cool edit works can replicate the same effect very simply by opening a track of their desire then go to Effects->Amplitude and Compression->Tube-Modeled Compressor and apply these settings->
thresh: -30.db
gain:18db
ratio:12.0:1
attack: 1.0ms
release: 20ms
Then press OK and listen to the result. Sounds familiar? Doesn't it kill the track? Does it sound louder? No? So then why do you keep using it?
Also on top of that, xLoud has some bad rough edges. Because of the fact that the dynamic compressor is always on, it affects the volume levels behavior of your phone. So turning lower the level seems a bit unresponsive or the audio is not as turned down as you'd expect it to be. Also go near the speaker and start to turn lower the volume. You can hear the hiss going louder and louder as you go nearer to the silent mode. That's because the noise ratio gets raised everytime the compressor tries to higher the volume. But the worst bug of xLoud is that technicaly your phone can never-ever-ever and under no cirscumstances enter a pure silent mode. Nomatter what, your phone will always perform sounds, even if that means a very low level hiss/static sound, but there are even occasions that the compressor will take so high the peak signal that it will leak over the throttling effect of silent mode and you will be able to hear some sounds if you are near your phone's speaker.
So my point was alot of people know here that Beats is more or less a placebo like Bravia Engine is but none of these two seem to harm the quality factors they touch but Xloud on the contrary is the worst thing that can happen to your ROM/Kernel and I felt like it was about time you should know about it. Not only it is NOT loud, not only it is NOT nice, not only it's super inaccurate, but it can be proven dangerous to the hardware of your phone and nobody of the ROM developers does the mearest effort to warn their users about it because themselfs have no idea what this tool really does. I hope my post gives help to people and I also hope that there is a way I can completely get rid of xLoud and anything related to it on roms that are on XDA since just removing the apks and the lines on build.prop are proven to not be enough to make me get rid of that terrible nightmare called xLoud and seems the problem goes deep on the kernels that use it.
Many thanx for reading
Very thorough and well explained. I always thought something was fishy but never tried xloud. I thought they were changing voltage or something that would push more power to the output to increase volume and was afraid of hardware damage. Plus, I'm well aware of audio clipping when you push the levels too high.
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I want developers to offer a way to really get rid of it. Being forced to use it is just too much, it's so much to a point whatever a ROM/kernel will offer to the actual phone or even do super miracles with a super-weak and outdated phone, xLoud is enough to ruin completely the ROM making it trash. I mean ok, you are the developer and you do whatever you want with your ROM/Kernel but you don't even do the job telling people what this thing does or even give the option to disable it completely and then you expect people to respect you or somethin'? I mean seriously? There's a terrible analogy here. My point is, I could make a tiny application that converts your ringtone to a soundfile that will sound the same way it sounds when you integrate to your system xLoud. Why am I forced to use something only a deaf would use? That's a bit rude and offensive to the side of people that are going to use ROMs out of this site. Oh and please, don't start a personal-opinion and personal-taste game here, I provided enough info why it's not a matter of any of those.
Interesting, are you mostly pointing out that xLoud degrades quality?
Personally, I love xLoud, but maybe because I have different wants /needs from the sound on my phone than you. I do not have great hearing but I am not deaf either, but I find the sound coming from the Evo 3D's speaker inadequate. I often can't hear it. Ring tone and alarm /reminder volume is too low and I found myself not watching the YouTube video because I had the speaker to my ear. With xLoud, I actually turn the volume down for some uses. That said, I almost never use an external sound source be it headphones or a plug in boosted speaker. I am also not big on music. I do enjoy music, but for me it is primarily background noise and not a priority. In my car I sometimes listen to music, but mostly I listen to sports talk radio.
I guess what I am getting at/asking is, is your disdain for xLoud primarily related to audio quality? For me, quality isn't important, hearing my phone ring from across the room, for example, is. XLoud for me wouldn't be necessary with a phone with a decent speaker, but is all I know that makes this phones speaker doable. Do you know of any alternatives for my needs? I get what you are saying to an extent, but don't fully understand. You say xLoud doesn't make the sound output any louder, but it sure sounds louder to me. If it's a trick to make the ear think it is louder, Idk, it sure works for me.
Again, I am not trying to argue, nor debate the accuracy of what you wrote. I am certain that you are correct, I mostly wonder your thoughts of xLoud use for my wants and or alternatives.
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There's an extended discussion about audio quality on a smartphone in this thread and xloud isn't even mentioned. It's more about the digital to audio converter used and how to tweak that for the cleanest sound, which is not necessarily the most realistic. Audio is recorded with microphones but heard with our ears so until someone figures out a way to record and playback using an individual's nervous system it will never be totally realistic and there will always be some distortion versus a live performance.
Since one's preference for equalization depends heavily on age, due to hearing loss, and musical preference, such as classical versus rock, there is no right or wrong for shaping the audio coming from our phones. All recorded music is distorted in some way and it comes down to a personal preference on how much and what kind of tailoring each person prefers. Although most people don't care for the distortion caused by clipping it seems that based on the sound levels coming from some vehicles on the road today a few prefer volume over anything else.
I understand that you are asking for developers to not modify the audio equalization in their base ROM but HTC already does that with beats for Sense based ROM's in their current models. Even an AOSP based ROM without custom tweaks is going to depend on the audio profiles that the developers chose. You could use the digital audio output and an external DAC to avoid that customization but most users can't be bothered with that. There are AOSP based ROM's that don't include any equalization beyond what the developers included and your best bet may be to try those if you really want minimal equalization.
ramjet73
Most of the answers were pretty expected. People, dynamic range compression = leap gap degradation in quality. All record music is mastered by professionals and is done with expensive hardware/software and it is done with reference speakers, one of them is speakers being used in mobile phones, so you don't need to rape again the quality of the audio. The result of nearly zeroing dynamic range of audio is not higher volume, it's a noisier/busier audio track, that's all. Ther are other workarounds that could be done but xLoud is the worst thing that can happen to a mobile phone. Personaly, I never had a problem with the speaker of my phone at all. My point is xLoud alone does not do what you think it does because of the way our perception of hearing works, the result of you being able to hear your phone on a loud area is because of something else, not xLoud. Our ear is less possible to "understand" a change in the background when something has no dynamics (the case of xLoud) hence the effect of masking (check wikipedia) so if you make a constant noise, your brain will "cancel" the audio out. Also none of the HTC phones use Beats Audio for anything non-headphone related and even then you can turn it off. I felt a leap gap degradation in audio quality when I upgraded from GB stock to custom ICS ROMs because I recognize the thing that is being done when I hear the audio from the speakers and I can't help but remember my teachers saying " you hear that, NEVER do it". Also since we are talking about HTC EVO 3D I am forced to use a Sense 3/3.6 ROM if I want to keep 3D functionality so my choices are limmited. Developers should offer the option to completely disable xLoud (like Sony does anyway), I am OK with HTC's stock audio and I'm sure it's not just me. Forcing people to use it is equal to removing bloatware from a branded ROM to put back your own bloatware. There are alot of people who don't like Beats and they don't use it. Why shouldn't we have the same option for xLoud?
No one is forcing you to use it. Some people like xloud, i dont......so I disable it......All you have to do to turn off xloud is either freeze or uninstall the AudioEffectsService.apk through titanium backup. Doing so completely disables xloud including any background services related. End of story.
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No one is forcing you to use it. Some people like xloud, i dont......so I disable it......All you have to do to turn off xloud is either freeze or uninstall the AudioEffectsService.apk through titanium backup. Doing so completely disables xloud including any background services related. End of story.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware. It's not like how you would disable it on a Sony phone that comes prebuild with the function and killing the apk and the lines on the build.prop would do the job there's more stuff involved here that I can't control without having access to the kernel source. Seems like the same issue happens once you put bravia engine (or something that the mod depends on it on your kernel) too but that doesn't really bother me but there might be people that will complain in the future.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware.
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Huh?
There's no way that xloud is built into the kernel of an HTC phone. Maybe beats, but not xloud. As I said previously, there will always be some sort of distortion in the audio from a smartphone as it's not really intended to be an audiophile's device. You need to get a dedicated audio player if that's what you want.
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You seem to think you already know how people are going reply and that we don't appreciate the message you are trying to convey. So why did you take the time to write this thread, then read and respond to our replies? If you already know, don't waste forum space.
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Huh?
There's no way that xloud is built into the kernel of an HTC phone. Maybe beats, but not xloud. As I said previously, there will always be some sort of distortion in the audio from a smartphone as it's not really intended to be an audiophile's device. You need to get a dedicated audio player if that's what you want.
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It's not the case. You can clearly see in the changelogs of the kernels here that their is something like an xLoud dependecy or something added. In stock Gingerbread there's nothing wrong, nothing raising the bias of the audio, same goes with stock ICS. There's no clipping/tight dynamics on these versions because there is nothing HTC does to the audio DSP-effect-wise that will raise the dynamics above the headroom the hardware can output. HTC leaves the audio to pass-through untouched. It's just all the ICS based roms that use xLoud that have the issue of "forced" dynamics and eventualy clipping that shouldn't happen in normal conditions.
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You seem to think you already know how people are going reply and that we don't appreciate the message you are trying to convey. So why did you take the time to write this thread, then read and respond to our replies? If you already know, don't waste forum space.
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Sorry if I sounded like this, I apologize if I offended anybody, but my actual intention was to convince that, before I would do a whole post explaining what the tool does and attempt to say that some people are trusting blindly everything "big" they hear, be sure that I won't be wasting time of people who will make the effort reading. Also the fact that I have a degree in Audio Engineering means that I know what I'm talking about when I say it's not a personal preference thing and that it's not what you think it is. Plus I made sure before people would suggest me to do things things on a user like me and my current post count, I'd go a step further and gather knowledge that would help me trying to deal with the issue myself. I've done the tedious work of reading one by one every page of the most active ROMs here and I've gone through reading all posts that give directions on how to disable xLoud and none helped until I realised that in order to implement in on a device that does not come prebuilt with it you need to do some modifications deeper than just the user-space. I mean, my point is, is it really so hard to have a switch that enables/disables the function?
With that being said, I want to make sure everybody know that I'm very greatful to developers that do the tedious work to work for the device and to people that do their best to help others in the forum, I honestly am, but it's one of those momments I am like, "what the hell was/were he/they thinking?".
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It's not the case. You can clearly see in the changelogs of the kernels here that their is something like an xLoud dependecy or something added.
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Your arguments are getting irrational now if you are saying that kernels designed for the Evo 3D have specific modifications for xloud. If you are talking about any shaping of audio being done in the kernel, that's a much broader subject than what you started with in your OP and I think you will have a hard time getting much support in these forums for the argument that there should be no audio changes from the stock ROM in the kernel or anywhere else.
Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware. It's not like how you would disable it on a Sony phone that comes prebuild with the function and killing the apk and the lines on the build.prop would do the job there's more stuff involved here that I can't control without having access to the kernel source. Seems like the same issue happens once you put bravia engine (or something that the mod depends on it on your kernel) too but that doesn't really bother me but there might be people that will complain in the future.
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if you install Sony walkman you can disable it these mods are just files take them out and switch them out for stock
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Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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I see what you did there.
Everything on this site is FREE and at your own risk!
With that said, you have a choice to flash or install. Nobody is forcing you or I to flash anything!
VIRGIN KLM, I'm not defending xloud here BUT you said what you had to say and everyone who read it NOW knows!
Is that not enough?
I know you said something about getting XDA to remove it from the site BUT here's a little wisdom for you.....
Unless the app, mod, rom or the product in general is bricking devices or just malicious in general......I highly doubt that XDA will remove it JUST because it doesn't work.
There are plenty of things on XDA that don't work as they should BUT that's just the beauty of it all! If you find something that doesn't work, instead of acting like a whistleblower then why not fix it?
It sounds like you know what you're talking about and could be a very good asset to the xLoud guys....so WHY NOT help them out and fix the mod?
If you continue on with this rant you started, it will only throw mud on your argument and make you look like you're just jealous and you're working for a rival of xLoud.
Just my 2 cents.....
I'm finding this thread to be very informative. Thanks to Virgin KLM for starting it and laying down some knowledge.
I don't have any Audio Engineering degrees, but I do have 13 years experience running sound for live events and have 33 years experience with my ears . The 3D sounds pretty bad all around in my opinion. I've heard some pretty good sound systems and this ain't it. At least the mods bring the sound up to a decent level. But I still only run ROMs where the eq apps like DSP Manager actually work. I have to tweak the sound myself.
The thing about using cell phone reference speakers when mixing tracks is that I bet no one said, "Let's see how this sounds on the Evo 3D." Maybe an iPhone.
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Your arguments are getting irrational now if you are saying that kernels designed for the Evo 3D have specific modifications for xloud. If you are talking about any shaping of audio being done in the kernel, that's a much broader subject than what you started with in your OP and I think you will have a hard time getting much support in these forums for the argument that there should be no audio changes from the stock ROM in the kernel or anywhere else.
Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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There is no campaign here, it's just my two cents to people that believe that they are improving audio when in reality they don't and they do the common mistakes you can see over and over on the internet and I'm just trying to help to iron out myths and missunderstandings of what those "improvements" do and what not, possibly not as good as I thought I would but apparently I do. It looks like the kernels pretty like double the effect or contribute to the whole DSP processing in some way or another but it's way too biased, which now seems like audio actually passes through 2 stages of dynamics compression, one from the kernel and one more from the phone's audio manager as a software side effectively killing any possibility to get rid of it simply rendering impossible to get rid of that supertight-compression effect.
Anyone that questions what I said above is free to go back to Gingebread stock with stock kernel and hear a ringtone on the ringtone settings at full volume and compare that to their xLoud featured ROM.
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if you install Sony walkman you can disable it these mods are just files take them out and switch them out for stock
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It won't affect the system related audio which is basicaly what annoys me the most, but I was talking in general why forced xLoud is a bad idea.
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Everything on this site is FREE and at your own risk!
With that said, you have a choice to flash or install. Nobody is forcing you or I to flash anything!
VIRGIN KLM, I'm not defending xloud here BUT you said what you had to say and everyone who read it NOW knows!
Is that not enough?
I know you said something about getting XDA to remove it from the site BUT here's a little wisdom for you.....
Unless the app, mod, rom or the product in general is bricking devices or just malicious in general......I highly doubt that XDA will remove it JUST because it doesn't work.
There are plenty of things on XDA that don't work as they should BUT that's just the beauty of it all! If you find something that doesn't work, instead of acting like a whistleblower then why not fix it?
It sounds like you know what you're talking about and could be a very good asset to the xLoud guys....so WHY NOT help them out and fix the mod?
If you continue on with this rant you started, it will only throw mud on your argument and make you look like you're just jealous and you're working for a rival of xLoud.
Just my 2 cents.....
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That's not my point at all. I simply said that it would be nice and kind if there was an EFFECTIVE way to leave unmodified the audio as HTC calibrates it with professional equipment and I do trust them in that aspect and they really don't need anything messed with that side of the phone. Just a simple Turn ON-OFF function, I mean is it such a big deal? Oh and I don't demand anything, it's a suggestion and I tried to elaborate why I give such suggestion.
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I'm finding this thread to be very informative. Thanks to Virgin KLM for starting it and laying down some knowledge.
I don't have any Audio Engineering degrees, but I do have 13 years experience running sound for live events and have 33 years experience with my ears . The 3D sounds pretty bad all around in my opinion. I've heard some pretty good sound systems and this ain't it. At least the mods bring the sound up to a decent level. But I still only run ROMs where the eq apps like DSP Manager actually work. I have to tweak the sound myself.
The thing about using cell phone reference speakers when mixing tracks is that I bet no one said, "Let's see how this sounds on the Evo 3D." Maybe an iPhone.
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Done a breakdown myself. At the mastering studio I've been working they have 3-4 random phones when they master an Album as reference speakers. Also, I bet it's not something you hear the first time in your life, HTC and Sony phones have pretty like the best quality AD-DA converters in the mobile phone industry, and iPhones use the same ones as iPods which is famous for being one of the cheapest and worst quality out there, but that's an audiophile thing and it's not really worth mentioning. The fact that when you over compress dynamics in an audio output is a bad idea does not take an audiophile to understand that, I provided a whole tutorial how to archieve the result and hear yourself what you're missing.
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Anyone that questions what I said above is free to go back to Gingebread stock with stock kernel and hear a ringtone on the ringtone settings at full volume and compare that to their xLoud featured ROM.
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I have done that. Additionally, the ROM I currently use does not have xLoud until I add it with AC!D. All that I can say is, I could care less about superior audio quality. I do however, care about being able to hear my ring tone from across the room and over the tv. Without xLoud the volume of the sound is much lower than after I add it. After xLoud being added, I turn the volume down on some apps. With xLoud I can hear YouTube and watch the video at the same time. I don't mind a quality loss (to a degree) for increased sound. The speaker in the 3D is horrendous, I need xLoud to enjoy my phone.
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I have done that. Additionally, the ROM I currently use does not have xLoud until I add it with AC!D. All that I can say is, I could care less about superior audio quality. I do however, care about being able to hear my ring tone from across the room and over the tv. Without xLoud the volume of the sound is much lower than after I add it. After xLoud being added, I turn the volume down on some apps. With xLoud I can hear YouTube and watch the video at the same time. I don't mind a quality loss (to a degree) for increased sound. The speaker in the 3D is horrendous, I need xLoud to enjoy my phone.
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What's the ROM you're using?
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What's the ROM you're using?
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P.A.C.Man 4.2.2 currently. But it has been true on every ROM I have used until being introduced to xLoud on Viper3D.
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