Judging by these preliminary benchmarks (be they legit or not), it seems we got quite hammered.
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_4s_browser_benchmark_and_camera_sample_leaks-news-3257.php
Holy crap
I guess GB isn't optimized for Dual Core devices right, that's why there is so much difference between iPhone and I9100?
If NOT, then I'd sell my I9100.
Its based on 2.3.3 vs ios5 lol. See what it says when ics launches.
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Holy crap
I guess GB isn't optimized for Dual Core devices right, that's why there is so much difference between iPhone and I9100?
If NOT, then I'd sell my I9100.
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Android isn't optimised for anything,keep that in mind.Raw power might not be that much more than what we have.Let's wait for ICS and see for ourselves if things get better.
Me?Look at my signature.My device can surely mean serious competition to the iPhone!
No **** it got hammered. If a device was released close to 6 months after another one I would expect the newer device to be better. If it was close or worse than then SGS2 then crApple would really have dropped the ball on that one.
The OS are different...the SGS2 is more than fast enough for all application...basically there is nothing it can do but fast...4S is good but the SGS2 can do everything it does...dont see the issue...bench is bench, two totally different OS no doubt...
Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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Do you remeber the hype ours truly (and even GS1) generated when it pwned I4 in these same benches? They weren't bull**** then.
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No **** it got hammered. If a device was released close to 6 months after another one I would expect the newer device to be better. If it was close or worse than then SGS2 then crApple would really have dropped the ball on that one.
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That's not what these marks underline, it's the way a lower specced system with a higher specced os comes on top. Remember last Tuesday? Everyone said the I4S is nowhere near SGS2. Why? Based on pure hardware. Would you expect an HTC or SE with the same specs as I4S and Android to get these marks?
I certainly hope Google optimise the &^%* out of IceCream or whatever system comes next, or this is the beginning of their downfall. They have been proved wrong with fragmentation of the OS and apps and now with their pumping of the hardware specs to compensate OS lackings.
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Do you remeber the hype ours truly (and even GS1) generated when it pwned I4 in these same benches? They weren't bull**** then.
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if you want you can go grow your epeen all you want with benchmark scores mate. have fun!
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Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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+1 who realistically takes benchmarks seriously, even worse anyone who does and threatens to sell their SGSII and buy an iPhone4S just because the benchmark is higher
If the SGS2 didn't get hammered, then Moore's Law not longer applies. Nothing to see here.
Notice how in the first browser benchmark the Galaxy Tab 8.1 comes rather close to the 4S and that it is also the only device running Android 3.1? There is definately a lot more room for improvement for Android... Graphics wise, not a surprising result but it looks like they've underclocked the GPU compared to the iPad 2.
the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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ICS will be for everyone.
What happened with Honeycomb (I'm speculating) is that the Google team used one too many workaround to get it to work on the Xoom (meeting launch deadlines and all that), so it's a bit more thank wonky. So they're not releasing it.
ICS will merge the Honeycomb and the Gingerbread builds into one unified release. Probably gonna call it Android 4.0 or something.
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the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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They would literally kill themselves if they wouldn't provide it for SGS2.
CPU-wise, SGS2 and IP4S are pretty similar. However the dual core GPU of IP4S wins by a rather significant margin.
The browser performance (SunSpider and BrowserMark) is heavily dependent on the software and browser implementation. From what I've gathered, Android GingerBread has yet to utilise dual core CPUs fully, which will be rectified in Ice Cream Sandwich. I don't know if running stock unmodded ROMs produce similar results to that of the chart, but I've managed 98k BrowserMark and 2400ms SunSpider (0.9 version) scores on CM7 using the stock Android browser. Using SunSpider 0.91 (which I suspect the IP4S is based on), I've got a nice 1750ms value. A very large disparity compared to the chart.
You guys could try running the browser benchmarks yourselves and see how your devices fare. Be sure to list your ROMs and versions!
SunSpider (Use the old 0.9 version to compare with the chart as the newer 0.91 version will produce a lower value)
BrowserMark
Here's mine as above:
ROM: CM7 Nightlies 78
Browser: Stock Android Browser
SunSpider 0.9: ~2400ms
SunSpider 0.91: ~1750ms
BrowserMark: ~98k
Lol, how it's a threat in saying I'll sell my I9100. I just said what I'd do! Jeez!
Let ICS to come first for our GSII then we should talk about what it could do. Don't forget a Benchmark result means how your hardware is performing with the software. Only stupids can ignore it. It's not Quadrant that we could ignore it as it's not customized for Dual Cores.
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Lol, how it's a threat in saying I'll sell my I9100. I just said what I'd do! Jeez!
Let ICS to come first for our GSII then we should talk about what it could do. Don't forget a Benchmark result means how your hardware is performing with the software. Only stupids can ignore it. It's not Quadrant that we could ignore it as it's not customized for Dual Cores.
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This! x100.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro21&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=Apple%20iPhone%204S&D2=Samsung%20GT-i9100%20Galaxy%20S2&D3=HTC%20Sensation&D4=Motorola%20Droid%203
And as the above poster said, you can't really ignore benchmarks and only refer to them only when your device has the upper hand. This is not quadrant...
It should open Google's eyes to take the necessary measures in order for it's new OS not to flop from the beginning.
...oh well.
Benchmarking and testing apples to what? lolipops or icecreams? LOL
If there is one thing to be noticed is the not the superior hardware or HOW LOUD THE FANBOYS will scream...everyone should notice how a proper coded OS behaves on decent hardware. It reflects the real Apple and how it was built by Jobs. From the secrecy to the final product. IOS5 was uber polished and hand carved to make sure it will hammer everything. And people have slept in front of an iStore and will sleep because of that. Nice design BUT exceptional dedicated OS. Apple is living off their phone line and Ipad and thay got to the top by carefully selecting hardware and amazing software for the humble user.
With Android, we have some coders building the kernel and giving it to Samsung. At Samsung they mangle with it and perhaps they say " uhm, we need more time to get it to work properly" and the design crew saves them: the thinnest device, super amoled + with macro shots, 1.2 dualcore... No add I ever saw went to say that Android is capable of taking advantage of the dual core to save battery, nope. and after 6 months and 10 million units sold, sammy can flip us the bird and move on to the next "flexible " supermega amoled. Sadly, it has came to this times when you buy an Android phone you buy the features not the OS, which should be a decisive factor.
While on Iphone/WP7 active browsing XDA forums is optional, the moment you have an Android device you're required to spend at least 4hrs weekly browsing forums trying to get your OS to work, digg up an leaked firmware that solves A but brings C issue....
I bet 100 bucks to anyone that if you can get WP7 to run on SGS2 it will shutter iPhone 4s to pieces.
Related
For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
EDIT: The SSG2 does 1080p recording and the E3D only does 720p (big for some people, didn't want to omit that)
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
Agreed iv loved the 3 HTC phones iv had
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jxr94 said:
For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
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ahh such a breath of fresh air from all the trolls. . . lol yes and i am trusting HTC history thats why I am picking mine up next week
Well thought out post. I think the Evo 3D will be the phone to beat this summer. I think the GS2's screen, camera, and battery life will be superior. However, I think the Evo 3D will performance-wise be on par, it will get faster official updates from HTC/Sprint (just look at how fast the Evo got official updates to Froyo and Gingerbread), and it will have better dev support.
I too have loved my HTC devices.
Someone had some time on their hands, good write up though.
The point i have been.making all year when.people want to talk about specs, you just put in a nice detailed post. Thanks.
Good to rehash the past. The Hero has been amazing for what little went into it and while I have never owned a Evo, it is still running with the best of them. Can't imagine that the Evo3d will be any different. Top notch specs and a hope of full root. Loving the thought of running CyanogenMod on this thing or a trimmed down Sense 3.0/
i think gingerbread has messed up sprints signal
something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
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something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
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Good point! It would seem hardware keyboards are almost obselete at this point.
mbh87 said:
The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
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not quite bro.
Sammy personally sent the CM7 development team a free GS2 for them to work their magic. If anyone gets Cyanogen, its the GS2 (as weird as it is to say it)
but HTC is a sure thing also when the bootloader is unlocked
Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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^^^ this
i dunno why so many people want it gone...
IMHO we should work on making even better and faster while maintaining the beauty that is Sense!!! but thats just me
AOSP while fast as is, is bland
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Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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we all know e3d will have a bootloader unlocked at some point, so will sammy.
wonder about having a bootloader unlocked is e3d owners can pick either to have a sense rom or aosp. With a sammy you have a choice with touchwiz or aosp. Aosp lovers can use either phone but people who prefer a skinned version of android the choice isn't as easy.
I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
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I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
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My words exactly
Thank you, OP! Great post! The Moment really sucked some serious ass
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Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
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This my friend would be AWESOME!!!!
Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
its one of the fastest smoothest phones available today it can support Ice Cream sandwich and who keeps a phone more than a couple of years anyway the early quad cores are coming soon so it's good for a couple of years reckon I'll get a an sgsIII when my contract runs out next august depending on specs etc
nesx87 said:
Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
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The Galaxy S II is pretty future proof, one of the reasons I bought it.
I remember one of the first reviews mentioned it as a 'plus'. Its future proof.
One of the reasons is it contains so many things, like bluetooth 3.0, DNLa, MHL (HDMI), Wifi Direct and a lot of crap of wirless options.
Second it has still one of the best dual core processors. While quad core processors might start showing up in phones in 2012, everything is still being optimized for dual core. At the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 it may be smart to buy a quad core phone. The idea is this dual core processor wil be good for at least another 1,5 year.
The screen is nice, its no HD 720p resolution but that doesnt mean our WVGA res isnt future proof.
Anyways... Ice Cream Sandwich has been officialy confirmed by Samsung. And after that, we have XDA that will put out perfect ROMs with the future Android versions.
Anyways... I would say its future proof. As long as you dont mind not having 'the latest of everytjing'. Because sooner or later better phone's will come out (that doesnt mean the S II will not be excellent anymore!)
Nothing is future proof... Better question is, what will hold its resale value.
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I think that SG2 is best you can buy at the moment and for the next 1 year it will be one of mostly wanted phones......
The only thing it lacks for future proof is an HD screen and a quad core. However, SMAOLED+ is the best looking screen technology out right now and Exynos is the fastest dual core SoC.
Basically, the SGS2 will be good for another year but after that I would consider upgrading.
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I also like to think that A LOT of geeks decided to upgrade to this phone when it was released. It was hyped a lot before release, and it just said BOOM! It is now the best android mobile out there.
-Because of this this exact mobile is going to have an incredible amount of fans out there developing roms, tweaks and whatnot...
It sure will be future software wise, and if you really think about what the hardware specs are good for - I don't think you will disappointed in the next two years or so
Thats my opinion anyway...
This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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jukosic said:
This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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The desire users have now all run into it's limitations, mainly a huge lack of internal storage space. Only tweakers will start using a2sd+, so most people will just live with the limitations.
Android 2.2 is also one of those limitations, only tweakers will be able to upgrade to anything higher.
And physical buttons that lose functionality as well, not to mention the crappy camera!
So, it's not about what Mr. XDA can do with the phone, it will be whatever Joe/Jane average will be able to do with it 12-18 months from now compared to new smartphones what will determine the value.
I was youst saying about hardweare specs, desire had the best HW spec for his time and he last for quite some time now....
2013, sgs2 still going strong ICS is old news... JB now, lol...
Why resurrect this thread?
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its not future proof at all in fact official software updates will end after 4.2.1/4.2.2
and roms such as cyanogen mod will not upgrade to the next android version since samsung doesn't provide support
Nothing is future proof... We're always looking for and creating something new... This is a good phone, the only thing that can out do it is hardware... Android is running out of things to apply or implement into phones... They didn't even come up with a new name for 4.2.x... I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I thought Key Lime Pie name for the upcoming release was already known, was it not?
It's funny, digging up a thread from 2011 about how future-proof this phone is... By now, I think the time has shown that in 2011 it was quite future-proof indeed. I'd say at the moment it's still very capable device, which in the world of tech and electronics is truly amazing.
As I recall Android 2.3 isn't built to fully utilize a dual core processor. Was thinking about this the other day at work. Is it possible that this phone we are as all so impressed with while running stock really a sleeping giant? ICS is supposed to have hardware acceleration, no? The next six months are going to interesting in our development section, that's for sure.
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while the Rezound is the best phone on the market right now, it is in fact a "sleeping giant" as we wait for either an ICS update or S-OFF.
In its current state, its not too different then an overclocked Thunderbolt(performance-wise).... but if course, because of the OS limitations.
if you are set on getting a new phone right now though, defenitely get it. if you can wait a bit, then hold off until the quads come out.
Oh I got mine the week it came out. Amazon got my two cents!! (quite literally).
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Yeah im waiting for s-off and ics. I have no problem with sense but id like a senseless ics. Or maybe a sense ics without the damn bloat. We'll see.
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while the Rezound is the best phone on the market right now, it is in fact a "sleeping giant" as we wait for either an ICS update or S-OFF.
In its current state, its not too different then an overclocked Thunderbolt(performance-wise).... but if course, because of the OS limitations.
if you are set on getting a new phone right now though, defenitely get it. if you can wait a bit, then hold off until the quads come out.
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when can we expect quad cores to come out?
paigow said:
when can we expect quad cores to come out?
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Supposedly an announcement from HTC at MWC which begins in February. I would be shocked if we actually had units for sale before the Summer in the US.
Geoi1006 said:
Oh I got mine the week it came out. Amazon got my two cents!! (quite literally).
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Yeah, they got my one cent! LOL!
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I really wonder how all the current dual core phones will compare once running ICS.
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It wouldn't surprise me if achieving S-Off is easier when ICS pops up. Think of all the new holes that will be exploitable! To be honest, I think waiting for ICS is better than waiting for S-Off right now. If HTC keeps to their word it shouldn't be too long before we see it. Not only that, if we achieve S-Off right now people are not going to want to upgrade to ICS until it is rooted again, lol.
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It wouldn't surprise me if achieving S-Off is easier when ICS pops up. Think of all the new holes that will be exploitable! To be honest, I think waiting for ICS is better than waiting for S-Off right now. If HTC keeps to their word it shouldn't be too long before we see it. Not only that, if we achieve S-Off right now people are not going to want to upgrade to ICS until it is rooted again, lol.
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Once you have S-Off it is EXTREMELY easy to root an update from HTC. Literally you just run the zip through a rom kitchen that stuff can be added. When we got the 2.2 Froyo RUU as our updated for the Desire I dumped and rooted it for myself very quickly.
2.2 to 2.3 isn't as big of a leap as 2.3 to 4.x
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2.2 to 2.3 isn't as big of a leap as 2.3 to 4.x
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Unless someone actually knows about the kind of impacts this will have on rooting future builds if S-OFF were achieved prior, I'd say its too early to tell either way. But I'm an htc noob, what do I know?
Either way, Not working on S-off would be silly I mean the people working on it are at the very least attempting something. You can learn a lot by getting really analytical and say comparing other devices and the methods used on them for similarities, for example. This knowledge will not only further their understanding if the task at hand, but it may also come in handy for future exploits (think ICS and beyond).
That ....and......well...we want our got dern S-OFF
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Geoi1006 said:
As I recall Android 2.3 isn't built to fully utilize a dual core processor. Was thinking about this the other day at work. Is it possible that this phone we are as all so impressed with while running stock really a sleeping giant? ICS is supposed to have hardware acceleration, no? The next six months are going to interesting in our development section, that's for sure.
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You are correct GB doesn't fully utilize dual core phones. ICS does enable true hardware acceleration, GPU will start jumping in for transitions, animations etc. Atm I think GPU plays very little in those processes atm. Although I did see alot of animation/transition lag on the Gnex, but that can be due to the fact that it has a 540 in it (2007 GPU DERP). This phone will be even better even on stock sense bloated ICS.
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while the Rezound is the best phone on the market right now, it is in fact a "sleeping giant" as we wait for either an ICS update or S-OFF.
In its current state, its not too different then an overclocked Thunderbolt(performance-wise).... but if course, because of the OS limitations.
if you are set on getting a new phone right now though, defenitely get it. if you can wait a bit, then hold off until the quads come out.
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You do notice the speed differences easily as well as the radio quality. I get like 40-50 mbps DL 8-10 mbps UL in my area, with the tbolt i was getting 20ish tops and 5-6. Transitions are not as smooth on the Tbolt compared to the Rezound. But yes everyday usage they are quite comparable since the OS/ most apps don't take advantage of the DC/GPU acceleration.
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Quads are out on tablets already (Asus transformer prime). I would imagine Q3 Q4 2012, maybe Q1 Q2 2013 for phones. But TBH if all Android is going to do is bump hardware and hope it fixes the problems that in my opinion is pretty sad. There is no reason for our phones to have any lag issues or performance issue w/ the hardware we have. Flash performance is terrible, UI lag on almost every android phone I've seen when notifications play, and you're scrolling around. You can throw extra cores, more RAM, stronger GPU in but I highly doubt that's going to help. Issue is they need to properly code the damn OS and it's sad that it's taken them this long, and tbh not even sure if ICS properly addresses the issue. After watching the Gnex review on phonedog it was quite disappointing. I hope Google tries to step up polish the OS and make it function properly. They also need to step up and have some form of control to end this fragmentation. Like Netflix HD would be amazing on this device, yet it's only certified for OMAP 4+ devices :/. Hope ICS really does unify them all.
How is it sad it has taken so long for Google to produce 3 operating systems in the same year? You are making some VERY bold statements dude, and if you are so pissed off with Android go get yourself an iPhone. Google got into the game late, and is now dominating, just because they are trying to do it correctly doesn't mean they have to do it fast. You know what happens when they rush it? People like you complain their phones suck because x, y, and z problems and they should have never released the update. See what happened when Honeycomb came out? A ****load of problems because it was a halfway point. Not to mention Google tries to make their OS compatible on the most devices possible, not just the top of the line, they cater to everyone.
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How is it sad it has taken so long for Google to produce 3 operating systems in the same year? You are making some VERY bold statements dude, and if you are so pissed off with Android go get yourself an iPhone. Google got into the game late, and is now dominating, just because they are trying to do it correctly doesn't mean they have to do it fast. You know what happens when they rush it? People like you complain their phones suck because x, y, and z problems and they should have never released the update. See what happened when Honeycomb came out? A ****load of problems because it was a halfway point. Not to mention Google tries to make their OS compatible on the most devices possible, not just the top of the line, they cater to everyone.
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Thing is they do rush it. I'm just stating it's taken them longer then necessary due to the fragmentation of the market. Yeah they might of implemented the OS' but what good will it do us if it takes the manufacturer/carrier ages to push them out? I'm not going with iOS because frankly it bores me, I'm not PISSED with Android, just had higher expectations for it. I'm not complaining about about my phone just giving some feedback. Last time I checked this is what the forums were for. Hopefully they figure it out and performance issues are corrected. But from looking at the reviews of the Gnex even ON the latest ICS platform There's still the lag and slow down that Android has been plagued by. The UI lag could be in the part of Google using the power 540 soc which is pretty antiquated at this point. Obviously I wouldn't of bought another Android phone if I wasn't hopeful they could correct the issues .
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How is it sad it has taken so long for Google to produce 3 operating systems in the same year? You are making some VERY bold statements dude, and if you are so pissed off with Android go get yourself an iPhone. Google got into the game late, and is now dominating, just because they are trying to do it correctly doesn't mean they have to do it fast. You know what happens when they rush it? People like you complain their phones suck because x, y, and z problems and they should have never released the update. See what happened when Honeycomb came out? A ****load of problems because it was a halfway point. Not to mention Google tries to make their OS compatible on the most devices possible, not just the top of the line, they cater to everyone.
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settle down dude. Bottom line is that while ICS looks nice, it doesn't look like it runs any better than GB on the nexus reviews I've seen. Still UI lag, still stutters at times.
Bottom line is that this is the only OS now, that can't seem to get the graphics smooth. This is what, 4 years now for android??? WP7 got that right on the first try and added the big features as the second and third iterations. Just like everything else google does, ICS is a beta product, plain and simple.
And yes, I would go back to wp7, but until it has lte, I'm here on android. And to be honest, I love the rezound, very little stutter, very little lag, and I haven't had any reboots or had to do any resets just because. But with dual core and 1gb of RAM, these things shouldn't happen.
I check my memory usage a few times a day and I never have more than 150mb of free memory. I find many apps that I have not opened that are cacheing memory in the background. This shouldn't happen. I really hope google goes to ios and wp7 type multitasking that uses save states for apps instead of running in the background.
Damn the code for Android 4.1 has already been released. Story is on the XDA portal.
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Yea, I saw people fighting about it on Twitter yesterday.
I also saw Evil is pissed off at your for your Avatar, lol.
Having just unlocked and rooted finally I thought I'd resurrect my thread. I do notice definite difference in the system as a whole and am loving what I'm seeing so far. I'm usually not an I told you so type but I think we were dead on here with our guesses that we hadn't seen anything yet. 2.3 on these was great, sure, but this phone was built with ICS in mind!!
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I'm a little angry at HTC for promising Q1 ics but if they are working hard for it to be smooth and majestic then so be it; we need that kernel source most of all.
Hey guys, I've got kinda a two parter question..
The first is this, do you think the SGS2 will be able to keep up as a leading Android phone or at least pretty high end for another year or two? Also will development keep up for much longer? Or would it be more logical to wait for the SGS3 and go for that?
And, assuming it would stay active and strong, do you think the price would drop once the SGS3 comes out dramatically? As in is it worth getting it now or should I wait for the SGS3 one way or the other.
Thanks in advanced!
The hardware of the sgs II is pretty nice. As you can see, the xperia s and the new htc smartphones (one s, one x) got sgs II-hardware.
This means our lovely galaxy will stay at top of all for at least a few more month. Then the sgs III will be released.
Thanks to apples 4s, htc one s x and the xperia s the sgs II is nowhere near being outdated.
One more thing, 4.3 inch is the limit for me! I dont see why people would buy the sgs III with a 4.65 inch display.
thats true haha, the size is the thing that worries me... however the screen covers more of the front so im thinking the actual SIZE of the phone won`t be that much greater
I can get a rooted with ICS installed SGS2 for 400$... is that good you think?
the only thing pulling me to SGS3 is how much longer itll probably last than the SGS2 just being released over a year later... but price worries me of it too since people are guessing over 800 and thats too much for me :S
Also would be nice for continued dev support
Try and get it cheaper without root and ICS as you can apply both of those yourself with all the guides available here. I'm not sure what the selling price is for the gs2 is in $, so the price you quoted could be cheap as it is lol
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Try and get it cheaper without root and ICS as you can apply both of those yourself with all the guides available here. I'm not sure what the selling price is for the gs2 is in $, so the price you quoted could be cheap as it is lol
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Yeah no they're all around 400$ give or take 25, all i would need is to make sure that the screen has NO scratches and that it works XD the root and ICS was just a bonus haha
I'm guessing it's probably best to get a phone that hasn't been flashed or altered. At least that way you'll know the original firmwares etc of the phone.
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I'm guessing it's probably best to get a phone that hasn't been flashed or altered. At least that way you'll know the original firmwares etc of the phone.
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That's a good point... less risky. My main thing is, is the SGS3 gonna be worth the 2 month+ wait and the extra like 300$+... waiting isn't a big deal, 300-400 dollars is XD
Pretty much in the same boat as you. My contract with Sprint will be up this Summer, so looking into a GS3 (or other quadcore handset). I've heard the GS3 may launch next month in England, though not sure about the rest of the world. I've read conflicting reports on whether there will be a unified global launch, so it's possible N. America will have to wait until Fall again.
Another thing to note is that while Tegra 3 is benchmarking better than all the dual core ARM processors out there, it performs really poorly compared to Apple's A5X chip. Given this, it's probably not a stretch that SG3's Exynos 3 will outperform it as well. There's also Snapdragon, though that isn't expected until Q4.
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Another thing to note is that while Tegra 3 is benchmarking better than all the dual core ARM processors out there, it performs really poorly compared to Apple's A5X chip. Given this, it's probably not a stretch that SG3's Exynos 3 will outperform it as well. There's also Snapdragon, though that isn't expected until Q4.
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That's probably because the iPad 3 has a quad core gpu. Plus you have to remember Tegra 3 was already late to the game. It was supposed to be out last summer but as usual Nvidia can never deliver anything on time!
Also no apps seem to be using more than 2 cores. Most are only utilizing 1.
The quad Exynos will only come close to the A5X gpu performance if they use at least a dual core Mali 600.
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One of the main reasons im considering the SGS3 is cause i think that android and apps are starting to become optimized for more than single core.
For me though the main selling point isn't actually the GPU, but rather the huge battery (anything over 2k is awesome!) and the tons of RAM, nice internal storage, SD card, and if this phone is any indication, probably good dev support I would get the HTC One S if it werent for the no SD card and pretty small battery :/
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Also no apps seem to be using more than 2 cores. Most are only utilizing 1.
The quad Exynos will only come close to the A5X gpu performance if they use at least a dual core Mali 600.
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Really? That's unfortunate. I thought ICS automated much of this, though I suppose it makes sense that each developer would need to add support from their end.
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I would get the HTC One S if it werent for the no SD card and pretty small battery :/
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I know. The Nexus Prime has that issue as well. I'd imagine flashing ROMs would be unnecessarily complicated, since they have one giant partition.
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I know. The Nexus Prime has that issue as well. I'd imagine flashing ROMs would be unnecessarily complicated, since they have one giant partition.
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I'm not so sure about that, i think it wouldn't cause too much trouble, but the thing is with 16 gb of internal memory, after ICS and sense and bloat, that'll leave probably less than 10gb of actually usable memory which is too little for me in the long run :/
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Really? That's unfortunate. I thought ICS automated much of this, though I suppose it makes sense that each developer would need to add support from their end.
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I believe it is up to the developer. Same as hardware acceleration.
Hell even Adobe Photoshop only used a single core all the way up to CS5.
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I would just go for the S2 as soon as the retailers in your area starts to sell them out cheap (to get rid of stock before launch of S3).
It's a great phone, still getting updates from Samsung - resulting in great mods from the XDA community.
And when the time comes that you'll be needing more power, just overclock it - extending the lifetime of it (for your use, NOT the phone itself).
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I would just go for the S2 as soon as the retailers in your area starts to sell them out cheap (to get rid of stock before launch of S3).
It's a great phone, still getting updates from Samsung - resulting in great mods from the XDA community.
And when the time comes that you'll be needing more power, just overclock it - extending the lifetime of it (for your use, NOT the phone itself).
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Yeah that was definitely one of things I was considering, IF the price drops by saaay.. 30%? Bring it from 600 to 400 new, I think I could go for that. But if the SGS3 is less than 800 its definitely in my radar
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This sounds very much like the deliberation I have when buying any new piece of tech, such as a laptop, always looking for the next new thing and wondering whether to wait or take the plunge now.
I would vote for an SGS2. It's a super phone with a massive modding community behind it to at least push it for another 1.5 to 2 years. I've had mine since July of last year and I'm only now seeing other phones catching up so you certainly would be behind the times with an SGS2.
hello guys...
a pleasant day, now i just found that this mobile down to cheapest price but good in specs...
is this good and worth to buy now? and on what update version of android does this one have?
im not sure which is good and difference between one x and one x+ its just like attractive with 32 gb internal..
pls help me decide on its usage and durabilty now a days...
big thanks guys...
-dennis...
Its a totally awesome phone. Most htc phones have something about them that is noticeably lacking... But not this model. Even today it is just a kick ass device.
But whatever you do, don't buy the attached version. There is a reason they are $100 cheaper on eBay. Basically ZERO Dev support. The international version gets all the goods. Sucks too because the att version works at full speed with any gsm carrier
Buy it dude!! HOX+ is one of the legendary devices.. It's camera is excellent.. on par with the current generation devices..
But on the other side, HOX+ will eventually lose its battery backup capacity easily.. and it becomes hot on continuos usage.. so think carefully before you buy..
'Be careful what you wish for'
Good luck:laugh:
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hello guys...
a pleasant day, now i just found that this mobile down to cheapest price but good in specs...
is this good and worth to buy now? and on what update version of android does this one have?
im not sure which is good and difference between one x and one x+ its just like attractive with 32 gb internal..
pls help me decide on its usage and durabilty now a days...
big thanks guys...
-dennis...
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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It's a great phone, I've always loved it. But there are better phones, many.
True about the Tegra 3, it heats up while gaming. Battery life is not that great (especially on mine, 2yo).
Camera is acceptable, but I wouldn't call it great. The screen however, is like one of best out there.
Differences between the One X and the One X+ is the internal memory and an upgraded Tegra 3 (for the +).
Additionally also Glosnass support for the +
It's old tech, wouldn't buy it right now. Buy a new generation phone with a newer processor, because the nVidia chipset in this one is outdated.
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
Buddy you should update yourself since this phone is stuck at 4.2.2 while Samsung S3 is getting kitkat updates. Further huawei P7 doesnt even heat up on games like San Andreas since my friend and i compared it. One x + no doubt is a lovely phone but please in 2014 dont buy it. Further game experience is laggy. I am using it so i know better..
Goodluck.
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
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Dude, Dont buy.
buy Tegra only with nexus devices otherwise screw NVIDIA.
oh!
Whatever! It's a very nice device.. Just buy it..! :laugh:
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
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It's actually one of the worst now. There are better devices than the X+ by miles. It's based on 2/3? Year old technology. The device is now pretty much classed low or barely middle class, due to no more driver support also we are running on an old kernel with little hope of seeing a recent one... IMO if someone has a choice of devices to get, this one wouldn't be on that list.
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Lloir said:
It's actually one of the worst now. There are better devices than the X+ by miles. It's based on 2/3? Year old technology. The device is now pretty much classed low or barely middle class, due to no more driver support also we are running on an old kernel with little hope of seeing a recent one... IMO if someone has a choice of devices to get, this one wouldn't be on that list.
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You are bound to make such remarks when you compare old technologies with the new ones. If adopting your terminologies, it should imply that every device should be called as "low class" and/or "worst" at some point of time which is very inappropriate and misleading. You make it sound like upgrading a desktop computer all the time whenever a new hardware peripheral arrives.
In 2004, a set of several devices were released namely HTC Magician, I-Mate JAM, O2 XDA II-Mini and others which took about 3-5 years for them to develop. Later on, upgrading and upscaling to newer models took hardly 1-2 years. Apple's Iphone has had a similar story. In this respect, we should appreciate the older devices more in terms of advent and innovation, otherwise we woudn't have been here fiddling with our quad-cored phones( And Octas ). Personally, I-Mate JAM and Nokia Communicator 9500 are the best devices i've ever had and the older technology does not make it any different. Also, i believe that the older devices had some undefined quality which many people agree with.
In the same principles, there are some devices which some users like and prefer regardless of the fact that whether the company has stopped providing updates and/or support or not. There are too many factors to take into account other than the technology. Speaking in terms of benchmark and power, my preferred devices would easily give up before yours.
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You are bound to make such remarks when you compare old technologies with the new ones. If adopting your terminologies, it should imply that every device should be called as "low class" and/or "worst" at some point of time which is very inappropriate and misleading. You make it sound like upgrading a desktop computer all the time whenever a new hardware peripheral arrives.
In 2004, a set of several devices were released namely HTC Magician, I-Mate JAM, O2 XDA II-Mini and others which took about 3-5 years for them to develop. Later on, upgrading and upscaling to newer models took hardly 1-2 years. Apple's Iphone has had a similar story. In this respect, we should appreciate the older devices more in terms of advent and innovation, otherwise we woudn't have been here fiddling with our quad-cored phones( And Octas ). Personally, I-Mate JAM and Nokia Communicator 9500 are the best devices i've ever had and the older technology does not make it any different. Also, i believe that the older devices had some undefined quality which many people agree with.
In the same principles, there are some devices which some users like and prefer regardless of the fact that whether the company has stopped providing updates and/or support or not. There are too many factors to take into account other than the technology. Speaking in terms of benchmark and power, my preferred devices would easily give up before yours.
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Well to expand on we have both said, when a new "high end" device comes out, the older one goes to the low/mid of the high scale then just drops down.....It's how I view it anyway, like the ONE X that was king once upon a time....Now that and with the X+ it's essentially great for a backup (Also the X+ is great for backup). But this is all my opinion on it all, everyone will have different takes on it so I don't want to force my view point. In a way though we are both right.
But hey my devices are a
Nokia 3310
HTC Desire C
X+
Find 5
all have their pro's and con's though more con's for the 1st two
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Well to expand on we have both said, when a new "high end" device comes out, the older one goes to the low/mid of the high scale then just drops down.....It's how I view it anyway, like the ONE X that was king once upon a time....Now that and with the X+ it's essentially great for a backup (Also the X+ is great for backup). But this is all my opinion on it all, everyone will have different takes on it so I don't want to force my view point. In a way though we are both right.
But hey my devices are a
Nokia 3310
HTC Desire C
X+
Find 5
all have their pro's and con's though more con's for the 1st two
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That is very understandable. Different people look at different things differently. Depends on the user's perception because many would support your beliefs and many would mine as well. And we should expect that from a benchmark-hungry developer like you. Developments in technology open gates for you, so yes you should be craving for better devices now and then.
I feel ashamed, knowing the fact that i own more devices than you but am not really a developer. As they say, quantity deceives quality. BTW my old man still loves his Nokia 5190.
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That is very understandable. Different people look at different things differently. Depends on the user's perception because many would support your beliefs and many would mine as well. And we should expect that from a benchmark-hungry developer like you. Developments in technology open gates for you, so yes you should be craving for better devices now and then.
I feel ashamed, knowing the fact that i own more devices than you but am not really a developer. As they say, quantity deceives quality. BTW my old man still loves his Nokia 5190.
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I used to have a lot more, but I sold them, including my Nexus 5 my One V HTC Desire HTC Wildfire ZTE BLADE Iphone 3gs to name a few victims in my quest for not being bored
Also benchmarks? PFFFT fcuk those, the real benchmarks come from using the device properly not from some stupid app(s)
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I used to have a lot more, but I sold them, including my Nexus 5 my One V HTC Desire HTC Wildfire ZTE BLADE Iphone 3gs to name a few victims in my quest for not being bored
Also benchmarks? PFFFT fcuk those, the real benchmarks come from using the device properly not from some stupid app(s)
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Is it just me or do you really sound like a kid?
Haha, yes i mean "Power-hungry" by "benchmark" because that is exactly what keeps some people going!
Electronic hobbyists like me have entirely different tastes.
BTW, i just flashed your latest nightly yesternight and need to take my precious ass over that CM11 thread there to discuss some issues.
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Is it just me or do you really sound like a kid?
Haha, yes i mean "Power-hungry" by "benchmark" because that is exactly what keeps some people going!
Electronic hobbyists like me have entirely different tastes.
BTW, i just flashed your latest nightly yesternight and need to take my precious ass over that CM11 thread there to discuss some issues.
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I'm a kid at heart and always will be, can't be doing with the whole growing up thing
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I'm a kid at heart and always will be, can't be doing with the whole growing up thing
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So, how old are you and what are you doing professionally? Should never judge a book by it's cover - for both of us.
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So, how old are you and what are you doing professionally? Should never judge a book by it's cover - for both of us.
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28 and soon to be a Network/Computer security person.
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28 and soon to be a Network/Computer security person.
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That is great. :good:
Just want you to know something. Don't always be so full of yourself and be nice to those who are nice to you.