Does anyone know if they turned off the 4g radio on the electrify or it was just not installed? I know that uscc turned off the gps in the htc 8600 but you were able to enable it. If it was not removed would a new rom need to be flashed to enable or just a "switch"? Dont have the phone yet but will buy if ever verifyed. USCC wont have 4g till end of the year but if I know them as good as I think I do, they will release crap 4g phones just to get them out and wait till half way through 2012 to release a good one.
Sorry for posting here no one has forum space for the phone yet.
its cool, the electrify is 99% the photon. in fact our kernels can boot yalls phones without any issues. however even if there is a 4g radio (which i wasnt aware that uscc had any 4g technologies) and its disabled, chances are youll need to unlock the bootloader in order to use a kernel that may enable it, at which point.. you lose 4g... its kind of the chicken or the egg crap ya know?
So what you are saying at this point in time when you unlock the bootloader on the Photon you will lose 4g?
You can post here any time, this phone is directly related to us. By the way, you have the right to post even if it's not your phone, (not saying the angry sharks will get mad about your post), lol, but don't fret.
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So what you are saying at this point in time when you unlock the bootloader on the Photon you will lose 4g?
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correct we are al waiting/looking for a solution but nothing has come yet...
I can say that the Motorola Electrify will have 4g capabilities. It needs the sim card that will be provided by US Cellular to activate the 4g.
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I can say that the Motorola Electrify will have 4g capabilities. It needs the sim card that will be provided by US Cellular to activate the 4g.
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I'm pretty sure whatever 4G that USCC has is not the same as sprints. Assuming Motorola simply disabled the wimax chip inside, even if you turned it on, you wouldn't be able to use it (unless USCC has wimax which I don't think they do).
You don't need a SIM card to activate 4G unless you are referring to the HSPA+ "4G" in which case you would be using the GSM part of the phone. Even here, you are limited, as the Photon (and I assume with the Electify) is programmed to ignore domestic radios like AT&T.
During a call to USCC Tech Support about another issue, I asked if the Motorola Electrify would be receiving an update to use 4G once USCC implements it. His response was that the Electrify does not have 4G capabilities, which he was surprised about when he received the information. So, the Electrify sounds like it will only get better with software installations (ICS/CM7), not network capabilities.
EDIT: During a discussion with Motorola Customer Service about my camera (apparently the lens is not supposed to be absolutely tight unless it is being used), I asked about the 4G capabilities of the Electrify. His response was that EVERY new Motorola phone can be 4G, and that a 4G SIM from the phone carrier is all that would be necessary to bump up the mobile data rate in certain areas.
That's good that it may get 4G!
Maybe Motorola can reprogram this in a software update.
deedscreen said:
That's good that it may get 4G!
Maybe Motorola can reprogram this in a software update.
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Huh?
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Huh?
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During a call to USCC Tech Support about another issue, I asked if the Motorola Electrify would be receiving an update to use 4G once USCC implements it. His response was that the Electrify does not have 4G capabilities, which he was surprised about when he received the information. So, the Electrify sounds like it will only get better with software installations (ICS/CM7), not network capabilities.
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Read the above quote. I meant it's good that the Electrify may get 4G, and that can be enabled in a software update.
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I was wondering if anyone knows how to put straight talk on a cdma android phone. Preferably a Droid Eris. Please any knowledge? Let this be a general question.
Not possible. Go to Howardforums.com and check out the straight talk forums. You need to use a straight talk phone. You might want to check out page plus cellular, they offer bring your own device on verizons network.
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Oh ok well what about boost mobile
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eris_evil said:
Oh ok well what about boost mobile
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Boost mobile isn't CDMA or GSM
It's IDEN (I think that's the acronym).
Wont work.
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Oh ok well what about boost mobile
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pkopalek said:
Boost mobile isn't CDMA or GSM
It's IDEN (I think that's the acronym).
Wont work.
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Wrong. Your information is out of date pko. Boost was bought out by Sprint a while back and uses both IDEN and CDMA. The CDMA part is now the actual Sprint network so from what I have heard on various other forums you can get any Sprint phone and run it on Sprint prepaid (Boost). They have an unlimited everything plan for $60/mo. Or better yet you can get a Sprint 450 minute plan for less and get unlimited texting and data I believe.
Well now I've got boost with full evdo network. Not 1xevdo full evdo. Anyone that wants to know how I did it I will tell you if I see a request I am tired of uptight people hiding and keeping secret thing that people wanna know.
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Well now I've got boost with full evdo network. Not 1xevdo full evdo. Anyone that wants to know how I did it I will tell you if I see a request I am tired of uptight people hiding and keeping secret thing that people wanna know.
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I kind of have an idea but please email me the rouht u took
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just wondering.
if any one sucessfully "flashed" a vzw or spcs phone over to straight talk
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just wondering.
if any one sucessfully "flashed" a vzw or spcs phone over to straight talk
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I'm waiting for this to happen too.
Straight talk is just Verizon.
Just really cheap.
it won't happen. I have heard Straight-talk has an esn white-list of phones sold for Straight-talk. Phones not on the list can't access the network, even if the same model as a phone they sell. But if you are near wifi most of your day, page plus is a better deal anyway.
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it won't happen. I have heard Straight-talk has an esn white-list of phones sold for Straight-talk. Phones not on the list can't access the network, even if the same model as a phone they sell. But if you are near wifi most of your day, page plus is a better deal anyway.
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other than esn hacking then, this is impossible.
Darn.
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Well now I've got boost with full evdo network. Not 1xevdo full evdo. Anyone that wants to know how I did it I will tell you if I see a request I am tired of uptight people hiding and keeping secret thing that people wanna know.
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You are contributing to this problem and should go on your way.
Anyway who wants to be pm'd to share their methods is either selling something, spamming people, or simply a selfish person who has no business on a community forum.
not hackin more like clonin/donor
if i got a straight talk phone already. cant i just have that one as a donor for my evo 3d or my eris htc. i dont think im hacking since i own both evo3d and eris htc both with clean esn... and the straight talk one i own it to and its clean... is it more like modifying...right???????
if people want an Eris like phone on straight talk, just get the Samsung. Its better than the Eris anyway. Plus no hacking...
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if i got a straight talk phone already. cant i just have that one as a donor for my evo 3d or my eris htc. i dont think im hacking since i own both evo3d and eris htc both with clean esn... and the straight talk one i own it to and its clean... is it more like modifying...right???????
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You need a ST donor phone, yeah, but you should never turn it on or activate it, just need it for the MEID. if you already activated it you're SOL, need a new donor.
For Anyone who cares
Let me start off with saying, I have been screwed over by VZW far too many times to allow them to continue pliaging my pockets. I'm currently working on converting my Verizon (CDMA) Smart phones (HTC Incredible; 1st Gen Android; iPhone 4) over to straight talk.
Now for all you nay sayers, who, for the longest time have made claims that it can not be done; well I tell you it can. I know it's a cliche, but as people have said before, "where there's a will, there is a way!"
This will involve a very intimate understanding of all the mobile networks there are, and, the different networks Straight Talk uses. For anyone who is currently pondering the question "Can I flash/spoof, or otherwise get an AT&T phone on a CDMA network?" The answer is and always will be NO! This will never change. The only exception to the rule is the iPhone4s. This is due in part, to the fact the iPhone 4s was originally designed to be a world phone. This means that the iPhone 4s has the capabilities to switch to CDMA from GSM and vice versa.
If Straight Talk does have a white list of ESNs that have acess to the network, then that would be a tiny problem. I say tiny problem because it can be overcome. This comes down to legalities though. In order to get any CDMA phone (to include verizon phones) onto the straight talk network, you will first have to buy a Straight Talk (CDMA) smart phone. Next you'll have to unlock your current Verizon phone (or any other CDMA network phone, i.e. Sprint, Boost, etc.) from the current carrier. Then you'll need to spoof your IMEI and ESN to what ever your current Straight Talk phone's IMEI/ESN is. You should be able to find some software to assist with this, by doing a google search (specific site will follow in my next thread.
Spoofing both the IMEI and ESN are very important, as the ESN is unique to the IMEI. Essentially, you are fooling the network into thinking that the phone accessing the network is the one you bought from Straight Talk. Another reason for this is so that VZW never catches the on to what you're doing, considering they monitor the data usage of each phone on thier network. If they notice an IMEI from the phone previously on thier network, now with a new carrier who offers cheaper services, they will cut and block you from their network.
(The following thread is a concept in progress. If anyone else thinks they have another/easier way to do it, please feel free to comment)
All questions are welcome, however, if you lack a basic understanding of the cellular technology or the information flow through the mobile networks, I will probably ignore your question. (SO GOOGLE IT!)
Hint
Check this out. Search can be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1210240&highlight=straight+talk
GSM phones
I know this is old but just reading around thought id post, i just bought an atrix 2 online an at/t phone and got straight talk last week, and all you need is a GSM phone on bands 850 and 1900 mhz thru T-mobile at/t or unlocked and your good, they dont do cdma because it gets complicated if you use anyhing then the phones they sell. But i can report on my "4g'' phone which is HSPA+ i get 8mbp/s up and 2 mbp/s down in my area, so great service!
i'd suggest page plus - its also on the verizon network... nothing special needed, just a clean esn eris - call pageplus and they'll activate you for free, free $2 to get you started and then all you do is buy pins to refill service.
also, you can load cricket prl and some more to get cricket working...
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I know this is old but just reading around thought id post, i just bought an atrix 2 online an at/t phone and got straight talk last week, and all you need is a GSM phone on bands 850 and 1900 mhz thru T-mobile at/t or unlocked and your good, they dont do cdma because it gets complicated if you use anyhing then the phones they sell. But i can report on my "4g'' phone which is HSPA+ i get 8mbp/s up and 2 mbp/s down in my area, so great service!
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I have searched the photon forums with no complete answer. Is there any way to unlock it to work with At&t.
Sprints past practice on world phones is for the GSM to be unlocked but to have the radios blocked for any US GSM carriers
Yes sprint had done that in the past.....but hopefully just as the TP2 was unlocked for us networks so will this badboy......where the heck is comnex or whatever her name is.....she was the wizard
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I have searched the photon forums with no complete answer. Is there any way to unlock it to work with At&t.
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I'd like to know as well.
(I'm always amused by people trying to go TO AT&T.. I guess if you have a family plan)
No US Sprint phone will EVER work on AT&T, TMobile, or Verizon... period. This is a timeless question with the same answer every time. Even if the phone supports International GSM... it doesn't support domestic GSM.. and will never
Uhm...why. please explain.
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A better question might be why unlock this phone for use on AT&T. I switched from AT&T to Sprint because Sprint is better. You should too.
Aside from Sprint being better
There are US communication laws. You'd think by now they would make a single phone and just put all GSM and CDMA frequencies in the same phone and be done with it... let it activate anywhere..
But carriers would never be able to keep a customer if they were flipflopping the signal of the moment. Sprint especially would never risk losing customers to another carrier.
The Photon's hardware does support the US GSM frequencies. I am sure at some point someone will figure out a way to reprogram the phone to get around not being able to register on domestic GSM carriers.
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No US Sprint phone will EVER work on AT&T, TMobile, or Verizon... period. This is a timeless question with the same answer every time. Even if the phone supports International GSM... it doesn't support domestic GSM.. and will never
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Wrong. The HTC Touch Pro 2 was a int'l phone like the photon. It also had the US GSM carriers locked out. Eventually there WAS a hack that got the phone working with att et al.
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No US Sprint phone will EVER work on AT&T, TMobile, or Verizon... period. This is a timeless question with the same answer every time. Even if the phone supports GSM... it doesn't support domestic GSM.. and will never
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Just as the last user pointed out, you are incorrect. I personally Had a Sprint touch pro 2 which I used on both Tmobile and Att networks. You could simply make a few screen taps to get from network to network. There is no doubt that as the photon gets more popular the Devs will figure out an unlock.....
So does it mean that if it gets unlocked it will be able to work not only on at&t but with other carriers also?
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When Unlocking, always use unlocking codes. There are many sites providing unlocking codes. I had a personal experience in unlocking my BB 8900 phone from ClassicUnlocking.com which is a reliable service unlocks the phone within 30 minutes and also cheap.
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So does it mean that if it gets unlocked it will be able to work not only on at&t but with other carriers also?
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I am hoping so. My new wife is with AT&T and where we are going to live, Sprint's data is HORRIBLE. My 3G speed never exceeds 400 kbs where her 3G speeds will top 2100 kbps. Also, AT&T DOES have 4G in the neighborhood. So, I'm hoping to be able to pop her SIM card in and use the faster data once in a while, but still retain the unlimited (slow) data from Sprint.
So, unfortunately, there ARE reasons to choose AT&T over Sprint. Personally, I wish Sprint would improve their network.
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No US Sprint phone will EVER work on AT&T, TMobile, or Verizon... period. This is a timeless question with the same answer every time. Even if the phone supports International GSM... it doesn't support domestic GSM.. and will never
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Umm...I've used my Verizon HTC Touch Pro 2 with AT&T, Boost & GoPhone SIM's here in the US.
the sprint blackberry tour had a sim slot that when unlocked worked on tmobile/att. so sprint hasnt locked out EVERY gsm capable worldphone
any update on getting this to work with tmobile/att?
I am also looking for an answer to this. I am with AT&T and can't really move with Sprint at this point but I'd love to use Photon on AT&T
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I am also looking for an answer to this. I am with AT&T and can't really move with Sprint at this point but I'd love to use Photon on AT&T
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No luck for you. Still waiting on a magic fairy to give us a radio that unlocks domestic gsm.
I wouldn't hold your breath on GSM. you could always get an atrix if you are tied into a contract, same hardware essentially, I think most of us are pushing for custom roms like cm7 and a boot loader that doesn't loose 4g. I'm sure at some point it will happen on the photon.
Can someone explain the current situation with 4G not working after unlocking the boot-loader I believe and will that be fixed anytime soon ?
Don't quote my on this, im NOT at all a dev. But i believe its something to do with the RSA Keys getting screwed up when unlocking bootloader, and i know that there are a few devs working on a fix and we generally don't push them for an ETA, they are working on it in their spare time and we are more than thankful they're working on stuff for our photons. Again im not a dev so don't quote me on the RSA Keys, just something i read a while back and *believe* is the issue, if im wrong feel free to correct me and correctly answer the OP's question. If your wanting to have a rom and still have 4g, theres a longer process you can go through to maintain 4g and still have a rom, but is a long process from what ive heard. Ill post link to it below if your interested.
Maintain 4g with Alien(or any rom)
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Can someone explain the current situation with 4G not working after unlocking the boot-loader I believe and will that be fixed anytime soon ?
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I wouldnt ask for an ETA but the devs are great, it'll be out before you know it!
If I understand correctly, 4G is just Sprint's CDMA WIMax? I'm getting a Photon for use on my carriers GSM network and they don't have LTE or anything (just HSDPA/HSUPA I think).
So losing "4G" when unlocking wouldn't affect me correct?
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If I understand correctly, 4G is just Sprint's CDMA WIMax? I'm getting a Photon for use on my carriers GSM network and they don't have LTE or anything (just HSDPA/HSUPA I think).
So losing "4G" when unlocking wouldn't affect me correct?
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correct.
hopefully you're not intending on using a US GSM network since they're currently 'locked'...
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correct.
hopefully you're not intending on using a US GSM network since they're currently 'locked'...
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No I read up on that, I'm going to be using it in little ol' New Zealand
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I wouldnt ask for an ETA but the devs are great, it'll be out before you know it!
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well i just wanted to know the current situation of it and why does it screw up. I want to flash CM7 but yea I'm waiting on that fix
A coworker of mine recently won an Electrify in a raffle. She currently has the Nexus S with Sprint service. She wants me to unlock the Electrify for her so she can use it with Sprint. I know this phone is pretty much the same as the Photon - minus 4G. Can I simply flash a Photon rom on her Electrify? I'm sure it can't be that easy, but I had to ask. I know someone at Sprint who might be able to activate it for her on their network, so that's not a concern. Any suggestions? Thanks!
think the electrify uses gsm, sprint is cdma or vice versa lol
I thought they were both cdma? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I know I did flash a sprint rom once on accident? And it prompted me to call sprint to activate the phone. I think its worth a shot but someone else here will know for sure.
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Yeah they are both cdma. The problem is that the esn is not in sprint's system and therefore cannot be activated. Would cloning be the only other alternative? I know that's a touchy subject but I'm just saying. I don't need a lecture on the legal issues of cloning.
When i screwed up my photon and ended up flashing the electrify sbf pudding. I was able to flash it with the full electrify sbf and then i put on the 1024.zip or the skinny4g rom and it connected to sprint just fine.
If it was mine i would unlock it and install one of those roms and give it a shot, you can always reflash it back with the sbf anyway.
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When i screwed up my photon and ended up flashing the electrify sbf pudding. I was able to flash it with the full electrify sbf and then i put on the 1024.zip or the skinny4g rom and it connected to sprint just fine.
If it was mine i would unlock it and install one of those roms and give it a shot, you can always reflash it back with the sbf anyway.
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See but your photon is a sprint phone and was already activated on their network. This phone is a us cellular phone and therefore has never been activated on sprints network. Even if I flashed a sprint rom the phone wouldn't be activated on a sprint account, so the network wouldn't recognize it, if it could even communicate with the network.
There are ways just none that will be talked about openly on the forum
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Forgive a newbie on changing networks with phones (this is my first global phone), but cloning?
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Not necessarily cloning. Just taking a clean ESN from, say, an old Sprint phone and swapping it with the Electrify's ESN. That way, Sprint sees the ESN on the network and thinks it's the old Sprint phone instead of the Electrify. Cloning an ESN allows you to assign the same ESN to multiple devices. It is illegal if your intent is to defraud. However in this case, I would be taking an ESN from a Sprint phone which is owned and out of contract and assigning it to the Electrify, also owned and out of contract. This is the CDMA equivalent of unlocking an iPhone from AT&T and using it with T-Mobile. Carriers frown upon it, but it is no longer illegal. So I'm not sure why everyone seems to think ESN swapping is illegal. It's not cloning unless you're using multiple devices with the same ESN, right?
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Not necessarily cloning. Just taking a clean ESN from, say, an old Sprint phone and swapping it with the Electrify's ESN. That way, Sprint sees the ESN on the network and thinks it's the old Sprint phone instead of the Electrify. Cloning an ESN allows you to assign the same ESN to multiple devices. It is illegal if your intent is to defraud. However in this case, I would be taking an ESN from a Sprint phone which is owned and out of contract and assigning it to the Electrify, also owned and out of contract. This is the CDMA equivalent of unlocking an iPhone from AT&T and using it with T-Mobile. Carriers frown upon it, but it is no longer illegal. So I'm not sure why everyone seems to think ESN swapping is illegal. It's not cloning unless you're using multiple devices with the same ESN, right?
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That's what I was hinting at since sprint only allows sprint esns on their network.
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Could swap her nexus s esn with the electrify
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Could swap her nexus s esn with the electrify
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Unfortunately CDMA WS is battling the Electrify. It refuses to connect to it. It's late enough and I've got to work in the morning, I'll go round 2 tomorrow.
Just buy her a Photon. Unlock the Nexus AND Electrify and put each on Flee-Bay for $275 each!
If anyone has experience with CDMA workshop, would they PM me? I'm about to give up on this thing and tell her to sell it!
here's what I would do, first call sprint and say "I have a Motorola electrify and sprint service, can you connect my phone to sprint?" They will probably say no, than you go to an actual sprint store, and say "can you activate this phone on your network?" They might say yes, mainly because sprint has this phone as the photon, you are a customer, and there recently have been rumors that the company is open to activating galaxy nexus phones. But when asking them be confident and talk to them like you mean it. Its a small thing, but the more confident they are the more likely they are to help you! If all else fails, than you may try your hand at cdma cloning, so good luck and happy holidays!!!
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I'm a noob here, but other places i'm not. I have read VERY many posts and the gist of owning a thunderbolt is that it only work(ed) on CDMA VZ so it is not compatible with GSM although it has a SIM card because its is/was locked to VZ only frequencies.
Just to make sure, I called VZ to attempt to get an unlock code saying I was going on a trip overseas and needed my phone to work. I was told that if I upgraded via the OTA to ICS, my device would then be compatible with GSM and I could simply use any SIM card in my phone and get it to work.
What I am trying to do is move over to straightalk away from VZ.
Instead of unrooting, I flashed the radios and ROM available on this site and ICS is up and running.
So has anyone tried straight talk yet on ICS?
That doesn't sound right to me but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it works. From what I understood about the antenna in this phone is that it is locked in on the 700mhz band at a hardware level. Also there are no settings to change to GSM in the network settings.
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Hmmm. Don't know why tech support would lie though -- especially when I waited online for about 30 minutes throughout the conversation. I've been a customer since 1997. He even said, after I switched to ICS, simply insert new SIM and I'm ready to go.
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That doesn't sound right to me but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it works. From what I understood about the antenna in this phone is that it is locked in on the 700mhz band at a hardware level. Also there are no settings to change to GSM in the network settings.
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They may not be lying but rather don't know what they are talking about lol. They are wrong all the time. Just because we have a sim doesn't mean that putting a gsm sim in makes it possible to use on other networks. Give it a try maybe they finally did make it possible. Like I said I thought at a hardware level this phone was permitted from using gsm bands.
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RE: Thunderbolt to straight talk
Granted, they may be wrong. But, all the many hours of reading I have done, says that CDMA only phones don't have SIM cards and my TB does. And per another posts GSM in the USA operates on more frequencies than abroad. Why would HTC create a phone with a SIM card if there was no reason because it was only CDMA?
Regardless, I purchased a ST SIM and an unlimited plan to try out. I'll post back after I see if I wasted my $$$ or not.
The LTE frequency Verizon uses is actually a GSM which is one reason. Verizon owns the upper c block of the 700mhz spectrum. Also, because Verizon is originally a CDMA carrier they had to use another antenna in all LTE phones in order for them to function. The LTE antenna uses data only. It is not equipped to make phone calls unless a phone call is already in progress in which case the phone is routed through the LTE antenna and is then made over the data connection much like VoIP.
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disconnecktie is right, the Thunderbolt can not connect to GSM services. The sim card is not a GSM sim card, its is a 4g LTE sim card. Just because its called a sim and looks similar, does not mean they are the same. The guy you spoke with on the phone probably knew nothing about the Thunderbolt and just assumed that because it has a sim card it would connect to GSM networks.
understandably.
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disconnecktie is right, the Thunderbolt can not connect to GSM services. The sim card is not a GSM sim card, its is a 4g LTE sim card. Just because its called a sim and looks similar, does not mean they are the same. The guy you spoke with on the phone probably knew nothing about the Thunderbolt and just assumed that because it has a sim card it would connect to GSM networks.
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"The LTE antenna uses data only. It is not equipped to make phone calls unless a phone call is already in progress in which case the phone is routed through the LTE antenna and is then made over the data connection much like VoIP."
So theoretically, if there is an LTE only antenna....how does a call get routed regularly when LTE networks (such as 1G and 3G) occur when LTE network isn't available to pass the information over the data connection? More than one antenna?
I'm not expecting this card to work in and of itself. I'm going to swap out another GSM to see if after ICS upgrade, it is actually opened as promised. Now if it doesn't have the requisite antenna, that's understandable, but in that case, why theoretically couldn't I just get a GSM antenna and swap it out for the CDMA one? Can't be any worse than replacing a wireless card in a laptop?
Based upon the "answer" given to me by VZ tech support, I have to wonder if there really is a different antenna or simply the "sim" card installed locks it into the frequency -- and the OS lock(ed) into the sim card previously. A SIm card is essentially what allows you to communicate with a carrier afterall.
Definitely interested if this works, thanks for attempting this
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All the LTE sim does is authenticate your phone on the network. That is the reason *228 is no longer needed.
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The thunderbolt does not support GSM. It has 3 radios, two 3g cdma which enables svdo or simultaneously voice and data over 3g. FYI some new 4g phones won't do this. The LTE is data only and no phone calls are placed over LTE on any phone for vzw. VZW is not setup for voip yet and that won't start until at least 2014. The thunderbolt is not global ready even with ics. There is no apn info to edit. This all has been discussed many times over the last two years.
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Just to clarify I wasn't saying the thunderbolt uses VoIP but that svdo is similar is all.
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disconnecktie said:
Just to clarify I wasn't saying the thunderbolt uses VoIP but that svdo is similar is all.
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I'm no cell tech and I get what you were trying to say. I apologize the last part of my post was a little rude. I don’t think voip and svdo are even close, I admit I could be wrong. Voip uses a data connection to place calls while svdo uses the cellular connection for calls and data. If you place the phone into airplane mode, connect to wifi you would not be able to place a call. If you had voip you'd be able to place a call. I know many carriers offer some sort of 3g to network extender that creates a similar type of connection.
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Svdo also makes it so that calls can be placed over 4g when it is present which is like VoIP. Either way I know it isn't exactly the same but was merely using VoIP for a comparison.
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Svdo also makes it so that calls can be placed over 4g when it is present which is like VoIP. Either way I know it isn't exactly the same but was merely using VoIP for a comparison.
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In my original post above I incorrectly used VoIP when I should have used VoLTE, I knew what i wanted to say, but used the wrong terms which can lead to confusion and this is all to the best of my understanding
The Thunderbolt as with all 3G cell phones make phones calls over 1x voice network while data is handled by 3G network. The thunderbolt does not make any phone calls over 3G or LTE, it has multiple radios which allow SVDO, a 1x for voice calls, a 3G radio, and a LTE radio. Calls are placed over 1x and data is handled by 3G or LTE whichever is available.
The link below has a good discussion and more clarification on the Thunderbolt when it was first released.
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunde...ort-voice-over-lte-when-verizon-launches.html
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The thunderbolt does not support GSM. It has 3 radios, two 3g cdma which enables svdo or simultaneously voice and data over 3g. FYI some new 4g phones won't do this. The LTE is data only and no phone calls are placed over LTE on any phone for vzw. VZW is not setup for voip yet and that won't start until at least 2014. The thunderbolt is not global ready even with ics. There is no apn info to edit. This all has been discussed many times over the last two years.
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I realize that it has been "talked" about. But based upon conversations with VZ support perhaps it was time to rehash it based upon what I was told.
As far as the APN to edit -- after ICS update (non over the air -- the one provided here). See screenshot. There is even a folder created on the SD called APN Backup restore.
My phone is rooted using revolutionary and running the ICS deodexed, etc. found on xda-developers.
Based upon what I was told by VZ tech support, I purchased a ST test SIM with unlimited service. I installed it today and get SIM card is from an unknown source. I googled that and it appears to be locked. I thought I was unlocked and rooted using revolutionary. But now I question that. So am I truly unlocked like I thought I was? I then tried getting the unlock code using fastboot as per instructions on HTC's development site using oem get_identifier_token waiting for device, and I get stuck at "waiting for device" with no information ever coming up. The only way I appear to be able to communicate w device using ADB is by letting the phone boot then connecting it via usb using debugging mode, and always awake, then it appears as a device, but that's where I get that waiting for device message.
Meanwhile, with the ST card in it's downloading email. I just cannot send.
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I realize that it has been "talked" about. But based upon conversations with VZ support perhaps it was time to rehash it based upon what I was told.
As far as the APN to edit -- after ICS update (non over the air -- the one provided here). See screenshot. There is even a folder created on the SD called APN Backup restore.
My phone is rooted using revolutionary and running the ICS deodexed, etc. found on xda-developers.
Based upon what I was told by VZ tech support, I purchased a ST test SIM with unlimited service. I installed it today and get SIM card is from an unknown source. I googled that and it appears to be locked. I thought I was unlocked and rooted using revolutionary. But now I question that. So am I truly unlocked like I thought I was? I then tried getting the unlock code using fastboot as per instructions on HTC's development site using oem get_identifier_token waiting for device, and I get stuck at "waiting for device" with no information ever coming up. The only way I appear to be able to communicate w device using ADB is by letting the phone boot then connecting it via usb using debugging mode, and always awake, then it appears as a device, but that's where I get that waiting for device message.
Meanwhile, with the ST card in it's downloading email. I just cannot send.
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Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers. You should really do some research, you will find that the thunderbolt will somewhat work on straight talk for a little while, then they will kick you off the network. Just google it instead of questioning everything people say here as they are just trying to help you and you seem to want to do nothing but argue anything that is said.
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Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers. You should really do some research, you will find that the thunderbolt will somewhat work on straight talk for a little while, then they will kick you off the network. Just google it instead of questioning everything people say here as they are just trying to help you and you seem to want to do nothing but argue anything that is said.
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First off, I'm not trying to "argue" with anyone. If these forums are not to ask questions, then what are they for? With that said, as I previously stated, I have spent HOURS which have amounted to DAYS reading not only the forums here and elsewhere and the information conflicts -- and I may have updated information who the heck knows. You never know when there is false information out there floating around and when it becomes outdated -- and the only way to update that information is by sharing upon these types of forums, I would think. You take your car to an automechanic and he tells you the entire transmission needs to be changed, do you just say ok or do you ask questions until you can fully understand the scope, do you do research, and if that research conflicts, do you ask for a second opinion or simply tell him, ok, go ahead and change it?
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Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers.
And as far as unlocked by Verizon, I followed a post until I reached an HTC forum indicating it can be unlocked for all carriers....by replacing the carrier OEM identifier token with an unlock code in binary format from HTC. See what I have pritned and attached.
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I think your issue is you read too much into this. Yes, your phone cane be unlocked, it can run on other carriers and networks.
Your phone can however only use CDMA carriers and networks. Just because it can be unlocked does not mean it can be used on networks that do not support the hardware your phone was made with. nothing can be done with software to change that.
Your second problem is, you are misunderstanding terms, and HTC them self are not helping this. The PDF files you linked say unlocking, they refer to unlocking the bootloader, meaning you gain S-off (you can flash files) The unlocking you are questioning here is to get your phone working on another network.
Those 2 things are entirely different.
A phone is designed to work on specific frequencies when it is designed. Some phones are CDMA phones, some are GSM phones, and some are global (they use both). This is a hardware thing. Nothing changes this once the phone has been made. Our Thunderbolts are CDMA phones, unfortunately we can not just up and go to AT&T or anywhere we want with this phone.
I am sorry for being argumentative with my last post, you are right this is a place to discuss issues like this.
If you search for StraightTalk you'll find that it may be both CDMA and GSM supported depending on where you live. If you search for Thunderbolt other carrier you'll find that some people have had limited success with missing functions getting it to work on other carriers.
If Your switching to another carrier, buy a phone for that carrier or a global phone. It's a lot of work getting a phone to work on another carrier and you can get a smartphone better than your thunderbolt for a low price on a MNVO. If your dead serous on taking your thunderbolt to another carrier it loks like Page plus is going to be your best bet. USE EXTREME CAUTION when flashing your phone as you could brick it and it would do you no good at all.