There is an almost identical device over there.
It has the same processor but it has been set at 1.2 Ghz. They are rooting and other device management tools already (including CWM) and a custom ROM. Since none of these affects the radio, could these be used on the US version?
On the P999 and P990, the setups were different enough (partitions, etc.) so there was no crossover possible - but what about the Amaze 4G?
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Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
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Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
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Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
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Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
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Alright I know that the Evo Shift hasn't come out yet but the rom was leaked, right? So what are the chances it would work on the Rhodium to replace Windows. Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
I was going to buy a Evo or an Epic but decided to wait heared rumors of phones coming out this year with dual cpu's and I'd rather have a Evo (4.3") with a slide out keyboard and dual cpu (if they do that).
I have run the Android off the SD card but it isn't great. It is good but it would be better if it was a true rom replacement for Windows. I love the keyboard (I believe it is the best slide out keyboard out there) and the tilt (for my kids when we are out and me as well).
Well hope it is possible if not I will just stay with Windows until something better comes along. Good luck to anyone that works on it I have a 2 Sprint Touch Pro2's so I can test on one of them if anyone needs a tester.
Kurisukuni
Dude... the Evo Shift has significantly different hardware. It does the RHOD no good whatsoever...
Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
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This statement makes me think you don't really know what you're talking about, you're just making assumptions. It doesn't work like this in the real world, sorry dude.
I honestly laughed out loud.
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
Kurisukuni said:
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
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Remember, the processor, RAM, and ROM are the basics of what make up the "computer" part of the device. They are possibly manufactured by the same company (usually with parts imported from different companies), but things like instruction sets, etc could be and usually are very different. Also, the capacitive touch screen will create huge differences as well.
The 7600 is ARMv6, the 7630 is ARMv7 (those are the instruction sets I mentioned). They also have completely different cores, as well. Really, the only things they have in common are similar names and RISC structure.
Thank you! That is all I was looking for. I was hoping it was possible. I figured that would have been it but the that gets me is (I know nothing of writing software) it's not even possible of using the Evo Shift rom as a base. Again if it has alll to do with the processor, ram & rom I understand. But looking at computers for example you put windows xp on a 366mhz computer with 256mhz of ram & have a 500gb ide drive. I runs
Sorry for not finishing doing this off my Rhodium.
It would run slow but it runs. I know there is a big difference between a desk pc & a Smartphone. I am just saying people have rewrote OS's to work on different things. How about running Rhobuntu on the Rhodium? I haven't done it but it has been done.
I am not trying to start any kind of fight or problems was just wondering. I do thank you for the info. I am just learning about alot of stuff. I have flashed my phone & others many times. I am working on rooting & flashing a Samsung Moment now (trying to decided which rom to flash). Currently I am runniing NRGZ28 Energy rom (released 1/6/2010).
Thanks again.
If your question is whether or not a really good or group of really good coders could get it ported, the answer would be "most likely." The point of the answer, though, was it would have to start from ground up. There isn't a whole lot that could be taken from what's currently written for the Rhodium.
The Rhodium has run other software that was not meant for it. It is a matter of writing different drivers, not whether the hardware is there or not.
What's so awesome about the Evo Shift ROM that we don't already have? What is it about it that makes you want it ported?
Note: If you answer "this or that isn't working on with xdandroid" - it is because we don't have drivers for it. The hardware differences between the Evo Shift and Rhodium may be minor on paper, but in reality, they are going to be significantly different in terms of driver compatibility. Just look at all the hardware differences between various Rhodiums the xdandroid team has had to deal with that aren't visible to end users.
Things I would expect:
1) Completely different panel
2) Completely different GPS RPC API (Note: This is probably more dependent on the radio ROM than the hardware itself, but still - it would almost surely be significantly different.)
3) Probably a completely different wifi chipset
4) Probably a completely different bluetooth chipset
5) Completely different camera
I agree with your statement about holding out for a dual core evo shift as that would be the ideal next fone for me too
But as regards your query . . .evo shift is android right? And you do kno we havnt even perfected Basic Nand yet (good work being don't but not their yet) its not a case of ripping the rom changing a few things BAm! Flash it on and bobs your uncle its far from that Even if the device had the same specs. But regarding the specs you mentioned about the rhodium vs the evo. . .that is a pretty huge difference hardware wise even if you take overcloking into account(which will suk the battery dry)
For example take the huawei, iv heard it has close on identical specs to the rhodium family devices (528 processor) and it runs android froyo . . . . But that rom couldn't be just ripped and stuk on the touch pro. A port was made and after a lot of work it was got running (over on neopeek), But it wasn't Nand at all. It was run from sd card (which is the best method atm)
So in short could we get it running on tp2? Yes . . . .But it would NOT be off nand. And would it be worth the time and effort? No. . . . .because even after all the work I can almost garentee that it won't run as well as the huawei rom or other ported fone firmwares due to the fact of hardware differences
Can anybody tell me if it's possible to replace the Moto Atrix's Qualcomm MDM6200 4G module with a Qualcomm MDM9200 or MDM9600 and have it function correctly on AT&T's LTE network?
Motorola Atrix: Overclocked @ 1.3ghz (2x) - CM7 Pre-Beta #4 Android 2.3.5
Palm Pixi Plus: Overclocked @ 800mhz - Stock WebOS 1.4.5
Samsung Captivate: Clocked @ 1ghz - Stock Android 2.2.2
I don't know if you're an optimist, or a crazy person. The simplest way to answer this; No. No... No. Even if you had a crazy set of desolder and solder skills, the other hardware would have to interface with it and the software after that. You're better off building your own phone!
http://pandaboard.org/content/platform
+ a 4G LTE USB stick and cook up you're own usb android driver for it!
Good luck :S
Hi I'm curious about the differences between the Bionic and the RAZR from a devving stand point.
I'd like to take a look at several files / outputs from the RAZR:
Files needed:
/init.rc
/init.mapphone_cdma.rc
/init.mapphone_umts.rc
/ueventd.rc
/ueventd.mapphone_cdma.rc
/ueventd.mapphone_umts.rc
And the ouput of these adb / terminal commands:
cat /proc/mounts
cat /proc/partitions
cat /proc/cmdline
busybox df
Thanks!
Well first of all, the RAZR runs out of the box on android 2.3.5 which has significant framework updates from the original 2.3 that the Bionic comes with. With regards to compiling kernels for the phones, the RAZR has a 1.2 GHz processor and 1GB RAM while the Bionic has a 1GHz dual core processor which is useful in utilizing for speed methods. The Bionic is loaded with a bunch of software that runs the mobile notebook which allows it to connect with the webtop app and Motorola Lapdock. Both phones have the "Motoblur" UI over it which I personally hate to develop for but we can work on porting HTC Sense or modifying the Motoblur framework itself.
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Well first of all, the RAZR runs out of the box on android 2.3.5 which has significant framework updates from the original 2.3 that the Bionic comes with. With regards to compiling kernels for the phones, the RAZR has a 1.2 GHz processor and 1GB RAM while the Bionic has a 1GHz dual core processor which is useful in utilizing for speed methods. The Bionic is loaded with a bunch of software that runs the mobile notebook which allows it to connect with the webtop app and Motorola Lapdock. Both phones have the "Motoblur" UI over it which I personally hate to develop for but we can work on porting HTC Sense or modifying the Motoblur framework itself.
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I wasn't so much interested in the software differences as what it would take to get the current CM7 builds for D3/Bionic cut over to RAZR and supporting its hardware.
In my opinion:
android 2.3.5 presents little to no issues, as CM is already on 2.3.7
the TI 4460 processor is also supported under the same OMAP4 framework as the 4430
there's a chance that the syslink/tiler might have a 3rd core (Tesla) but that's also accounted for in the source from TI and essentially a non-issue
I realize the partitions are different (for some reason), but other than that the Bionic is a good model to start from for RAZR devving.. at least in my opinion.
Disclaimer: I am not a professional reviewer, these are just my observations.
Due to a lack of research on my part, I am currently the owner of both a US and International HTC One X. The short story is that I bought a used ATT One X after looking at the spec sheet, not realizing until after I had received it, that it was essentially half the phone that I was expecting. I didn't read the part about the US version being different. So I then tracked down an international version and have been doing some comparisons.
I have read several places, especially on the xda forums, that the US version is faster than the International version. However, after running several benchmarks, my results do not reflect that, not even remotely. For a comparison, I am including my current Droid RAZR. These are free apps from the Google Play market. These scores are the average of three runs, rounded up.
CF Bench(Higher is better): International - 13231, US - 9496, Droid RAZR - 4692
CPU Benchmark(Lower is better): International - 498ms, US - 602ms, Droid RAZR - 702ms
PassMark CPU Test(Higher is better): International - 7410, US - 3556, Droid RAZR - 3061
PassMark Disk Test(Higher is better): International - 3835, US - 3523, Droid RAZR - 2411
PassMark Memory Test(Higher is better): US - 1635, Droid RAZR - 938, International 920
PassMark 2D Graphics Test(Higher is better): International - 1878, Droid RAZR - 1833, US - 1533
PassMark 3D Graphics Test(Higher is better): International - 716, US - 668, Droid RAZR - 654
Quadrant Standard CPU(Higher is better): International - 13223, US - 8395, Droid RAZR - 4882
Quadrant Standard MEM(Higher is better): US - 7547, International - 3498, Droid RAZR - 2985
Quadrant Standard I/O(Higher is better): International - 5479, US - 3630, Droid RAZR - 2941
Quadrant Standard 2D(Higher is better): International - 1000, US - 990, Droid RAZR - 981
Quadrant Standard 3D(Higher is better): International - 2365, Droid RAZR - 2303, US - 2126
The international version is faster in almost every benchmark with the exception of the Memory(RAM) benchmarks.
My conclusion: People in the US market are getting screwed. The US version is slower(albeit only slightly in some cases), has half the storage space, comes with ATT crapware, and is also slightly slower than my Droid RAZR in some benchmarks.
What are your thoughts?
I've had both and the US version lags WAY more with the intl I had zero lag ever whatsoever. Even battery sucks more on at&t version. The one s was always compared to the one x bc.of the advantage of having the lower res screen helped it be close to X in the benchmarks
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The freaking storage u get on the US version is what 9GB usable? Totally inexcusable, the price is finally where it needs to be, at $99 on contract
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There are three issues with the U.S. One X (which is actually an XL):
- Adreno reserves 350MB of RAM for itself which kills multitasking which isn't too hot to begin with.
- There's 10GB of user available storage.
- The radios (BT & WI-Fi) are having tons more issues than the international version. It could just be AT&T's implementation of them.
If I had to buy a U.S. carrier phone, as much as like the One X, I'd buy an SGS3. There's a 1.7GHz Teg3/Icera LTE XL being tested for use on AT&T. That could be an interesting phone.
Here's something else I've just noticed: In "Settings" under the "Apps" heading and then the "Running" tab, you should get a good idea of how much RAM your phone is using. Both phones are supposed to have 1 GB of RAM. My international HOX shows 541 MB used and 438 MB free for a total off 979 MB(Close enough). My US HOX shows 341MB used and 331 MB free for a total of 672 MB of RAM.
Where is the rest of the RAM on my US HOX?
EDIT: Just saw a previous post that answered my question.
First time i notice this thread and i have to say nice job and thanks :good:
you are basically confirming everything we analysed and predicted in the One X mega information thread
The dual krait snapdragon 4 was over hyped for the sake of competition with Tegra 3, in terms of graphics performance its no match to Tegra 3 on native 720p
Also all this abundance of memory bandwith is not needed unless you are on a quad processor, on the other hand the One X Tegra 3 has no memory bandwidth issues in actually real world due to the massive IO speed
This leaves battery, with the snapdragon 4 One X you are trading screen on times with screen off times on the Tegra 3 One X
Every snapdragon device i ever tested had the problem of drain during screen off, in fact nothing in the android world can match the dead sleep time on Tegra 3 thanks to the low power core
As for heat, things got a lot better in the latest update for the One X and it only appear when you push it hard with heavy games, you should perfectly accept this when you know your buying a quad core on 40nm
Thanks for your tests. Since the tests were made in early August (before post date of 02-Aug-12), that time both HOX had Android 4.03. Now both have 4.04 (Firmware 2.17 for international & 2.20 for US) which, at least for the international version, brought major speed improvements.
hamdir said:
First time i notice this thread and i have to say nice job and thanks :good:
you are basically confirming everything we analysed and predicted in the One X mega information thread
The dual krait snapdragon 4 was over hyped for the sake of competition with Tegra 3, in terms of graphics performance its no match to Tegra 3 on native 720p
Also all this abundance of memory bandwith is not needed unless you are on a quad processor, on the other hand the One X Tegra 3 has no memory bandwidth issues in actually real world due to the massive IO speed
This leaves battery, with the snapdragon 4 One X you are trading screen on times with screen off times on the Tegra 3 One X
Every snapdragon device i ever tested had the problem of drain during screen off, in fact nothing in the android world can match the dead sleep time on Tegra 3 thanks to the low power core
As for heat, things got a lot better in the latest update for the One X and it only appear when you push it hard with heavy games, you should perfectly accept this when you know your buying a quad core on 40nm
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wait till u see tegra 4, 32nm and 1.8ghz quad
as usual, an even more powerful geforce gpu
Here are some more benchmarks. Took screenshots. 1st pic is the US HOX, 2nd one is the Global HOX.