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Hey guys just wanted to share that according to this http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...-lte-network?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter Sprint and LightSquared will be providing 4G LTE.
What do you guys think will happen with us Wimax 4G customers when they start providing LTE?
I personally think that by then our contract will be near to be ending and we'll be getting early upgrades for our LTE phones but it might be earlier you never know...
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And posted here since we will have the 3VO which is Wimax 4G...
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yankele said:
Hey guys just wanted to share that according to this http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...-lte-network?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter Sprint and LightSquared will be providing 4G LTE.
What do you guys think will happen with us Wimax 4G customers when they start providing LTE?
I personally think that by then our contract will be near to be ending and we'll be getting early upgrades for our LTE phones but it might be earlier you never know...
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By the time lte is up and running you will be on the next version if the 3d....and even then there will be both wimax and lte. So you have plenty if time till they get that up and running.
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This thread already exists in this forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1129502
Also, the next generation of Qualcomm's processors have 3G/LTE support. I doubt we'll see this network up and running while these phones are still relevant. So during your next phone purchase, it might be important.
Just read an article about lightsquared 4g lte. It said something about using 10mghz block. What does that mean to us and if the are referring to spectrum wjat does that mean as far as building penetration and speeds?
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Just got off phone with Motorola and they confirmed the Photon has a LTE chip installed! I called sprint and they said it didn't. Somebodies lying, my bet is sprint.
My guess is that the Motorola rep is confusing that for 4G in general. I highly doubt the Photon has LTE.
Now, I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if it does, but I imagine that would have been in the FCC certification.
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I bet Motorola is lying... Because they want you to buy their product.
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I highly doubt this, but my buddy works at the mobile division in Libertyville IL (My town! Woot woot Google! ) and he works on the development of the LED flash for all the phones cameras. Im sure he will have insight about this, ill post back what he says.
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i'm too lazy to search youtube, has anyone done a teardown of this phone yet? I mean its not magic, if there is a LTE chip inside you'd see it. Granted I'm not willing to doante my phone to such a process but I mean phones break, you'd think someone who broke their Photon had to have tore it apart by now to see its guts.
I doubt they would have added an expensive piece of hardware just for the heck of it. The fact that it isn't touted as a feature to"future proof" the phone leads me to assume it isn't there.
The build.prop in system has alot of refrences to an LTE radio...but then again it has quite a few refrences to VZW as well....
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27s said:
The build.prop in system has alot of refrences to an LTE radio...but then again it has quite a few refrences to VZW as well....
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They probably just took the Atrix, redid the outer shell, modified code to work with Sprint, then threw it on the shelf.
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They probably just took the Atrix, redid the outer shell, modified code to work with Sprint, then threw it on the shelf.
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The hole in that thought is the matrix is on ATT(GSM) which is different from VZW in more ways then one.
The VZW references is due to the you can roam in VZW and a possible launch of the phone on VZW.
It seems that this phone has a lot of Q's surronding the radio freq's it uses so we are going to need to find a good tear down and look to that for answers.
Ok so in case people didn't know, LTE uses sim cards for the 4G. But it can't be in the photon, sprint wont have it for some time.
My buddy at Motorola replied to me "wimax". So I guess its not LTE ready and that moto rep is misunderstanding that sprints 4g is different. After all, this is the first moto android phone on sprint
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Who cares though...by the time Sprint uses LTE the MoPho will be obsolete and something different will be in your hands.....
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ORam78 said:
Who cares though...by the time Sprint uses LTE the MoPho will be obsolete and something different will be in your hands.....
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Amen to that
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What about us Sprint users roaming data using Verizon's LTE network. Now wouldn't that be sweet? Just dreaming out loud! lol
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i'm too lazy to search youtube, has anyone done a teardown of this phone yet? I mean its not magic, if there is a LTE chip inside you'd see it. Granted I'm not willing to doante my phone to such a process but I mean phones break, you'd think someone who broke their Photon had to have tore it apart by now to see its guts.
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http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/398558-video-teardown-photon-4g.html
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http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/398558-video-teardown-photon-4g.html
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All I can say is the Photon is Built like a brick shi%house
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What about us Sprint users roaming data using Verizon's LTE network. Now wouldn't that be sweet? Just dreaming out loud! lol
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If that's the case why aren't you on Verizon?
Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period. There is no argument here, find it for yourself. Sprint will have LTE but not for awhile, as for the Photon working on it, who knows, but I am damn sure that it is capable of it. If you are asking a Sprint Rep any questions about a phone, 97.38782% of them don't know much about them, yes there are a few who actually do their homework on each and every phone they come across but that is few and far between. ( And in case you work at Sprint and you are reading this, don't take it personal, I'm just saying that most reps sell phones, they don't study them and know them inside and out) As for Motorola, who knows, it all depends on who you talk to, but I would believe one of them over a random Sprint rep who 'sells' phones for a living, being that Motorola actually built the thing.
But all you really need to do is plug it in and look for yourself.
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period.
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Now that is interesting indeed
It just might have a LTE radio. Maybe Sprint's plans are starting to show up in current and future phones? Here is an excerpt:
If Sprint were to tap into Clearwire’s LTE network it wouldn’t gain any additional coverage beyond its current 4G footprint. It would gain additional capacity, but it would come at a price. Since Clearwire’s LTE wouldn’t even cover existing WiMAX markets completely, Sprint will need to deploy dual-mode WiMAX and LTE devices. That’s already a tall order for device makers, but Clearwire is using an unpaired spectrum configuration for LTE, meaning Sprint will need LTE chips not only for Clearwire’s 2.5 GHz frequencies but in a time-division duplexing (TDD) mode that no other operator uses in the U.S.
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You can read the whole article here: http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/sprints-4g-predicament-0823/index.html
Maybe Sprint actually has a 4g plan?
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period.
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There may be some logic to this from Moto perspective...
It 4g and it a world phone...it suports cdma and gsm...
But is it also the first "4g" "world phone"? having both wimax and LTE ?(you got the sim like verzion LTE phones need)
So for Moto one hardward build for all world markets...and would also make it one hell of a development phone for google android to test everything on
Would the EVO 3d and Samsung Galaxy 2 people crap if true....
A phone with all these radios cdma, gsm, wimax and LTE would be hacker heaven
Who knows could be source of unlocked 4g issues that just the Photon seem to have ... that bootstrap has an extra radio to set up
===One other thing I recall Sprints Touch pro 2 "world phone" was not certified for GSM by FCC for US so radios were not listed on FCC doc...but it had them
Other thing in all the Photon "tear down" ive seen...ive never seen the chips because of how the lable sits in the battey compartment covers the chips...you would need to destroy the phone to see
"All Sprint phones are capable of lte or will be replaced."
http://www.acsyndicate.net/sprint-says-all-4g-devices-will-have-lte-is-this-tru/
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I'll believe it when I see proof.
Sprints LTE Roll Out hit a Major setback the other day with LightSquared pretty much getting permanent denial, so its up to Sprint and Clear to roll out LTE now - I don't see it being done any where on the scale they were hoping to now with the speed they were hoping to now.
We all know how well Clear does with management.
Another Epic Fail. This will just be another case of Sprint not providing the service that people have been promised in the past. The same with old 4G that we never got here in Phoenix Arizona. We were promised it would become available August 2010 and never got it. Then were told they would not roll it out because LTE would be coming and not it will probably not be.
It would be nice if it will be true but I am in another country witch dose have lte is there a program that I can use to reprogram mine now?
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Another Epic Fail. This will just be another case of Sprint not providing the service that people have been promised in the past. The same with old 4G that we never got here in Phoenix Arizona. We were promised it would become available August 2010 and never got it. Then were told they would not roll it out because LTE would be coming and not it will probably not be.
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That's sad... But casa grande has it...which sucks
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Is it April 1st already?
So sprint and lightsquared are not bringing us lte? Wtf
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LightSquared is a joke and will never get LTE approval. The bandwidth they are currently on the were using for free and took a gamble and lost. The LTE they proposed would interfere with all GPS satellits in orbit. Do you think the entire world is going to take all of that down and put new ones back up? NO! Easier for FCC to say "f**k you" and rightfully so.
I dont see sprint giving anyone damm thing. Satan will Ice Skate outta hell before Sprint give you something for free.
lastly, member kennypow3rs beat this horse sometime back, Photon does NOT have LTE Radio!!! FCC has pictures of the phone apart. The only way would be take it to Sprint, have them remove current WiMax Radio, put back a LTE Radio, and put it back together. And you know how I know for a fact thats not gonna happen? Go to your Sprint store and ask to speak to a technica Rep. My brothers dog's know more about a Photon then they do!!
But, In Sprints defense, they maybe ****ty now, but As I said with the merger, They have free Government money bo blow, @ $23+Billion if I remember correctly. (Thats correct, Uncle Sam is paying them (well, actually Nextel, but that's just technical crap) to roll out new crap!
Another quote on the LTE timeline by Sprint: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...any-windows-phones-in-the-near-future-either/
Sounds like 4 LTE markets by middle of this year and who knows for remaining 2012.
Sprint is on a dead line to roll out lte because of their contract with Apple and the iPhone 5.don't worry about it.
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calisoldier83 said:
Sprint is on a dead line to roll out lte because of their contract with Apple and the iPhone 5.don't worry about it.
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Not to mention they are way behind the other carriers because of the bad decision with WiMax and need LTE asap to compete.
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Not to mention they are way behind the other carriers because of the bad decision with WiMax and need LTE asap to compete.
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This reminds me of the BetaMAX vs. VCR battles of 30 years ago. BetaMAX was actually a better device, sadely they dumped all of there loot into it. When the studios pulled towards VCR, that was the nail in their coffin.
If Sprint was not so greedy to make a buck, they could have saved on the WiMax mistake. But as I posted eariler, they got loot to blow and its not theirs!
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This reminds me of the BetaMAX vs. VCR battles of 30 years ago. BetaMAX was actually a better device, sadely they dumped all of there loot into it. When the studios pulled towards VCR, that was the nail in their coffin.
If Sprint was not so greedy to make a buck, they could have saved on the WiMax mistake. But as I posted eariler, they got loot to blow and its not theirs!
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You mean VHS, of course.
This confuses me so much. I wish we had a beceem engineer just to clear this up, but that'll never happen. I officially give up on late for my photon.
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Why does t Sprint just continue to build their wimax network? Merge or buyout clearwire and continue with what they already got?
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Dont even get me started
MikeyLee said:
Dont even get me started
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Ok just stay out of it then lol
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MikeyLee said:
Dont even get me started
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im with you. we beat this horse enough!
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because sprint has their own lte network? lightsquared was just a regional addon
Thanks, Shabbs! Yay, hopefully it gets LTE Approval, do you know if it has already?
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The point of lightsquared was to broadcast lte from satellites. Was essentially going to give them near 100% coverage in the us with the flip of a switch.
If they are out of the picture then we are back to getting 4g from towers which will take years. To build out.
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i read from some recent articles, Lightsquared has been stating a pretty solid argument (in my opinion) that the first test was purposely rigged, a board member on fcc or somethin was from a GPS company, they used old out dated gps devices that was being interfered with because of careless manufacturing (faulty design) fcc took it to courts/congress to help investigate while also redoing the testing of their network and gps interference
i probably left a lot out ill try to find links
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Sounded like a Bull**** deal
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Wimax is limited next to Lte
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Cltme89 said:
Wimax is limited next to Lte
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Sprint is limited
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rruss said:
Why does t Sprint just continue to build their wimax network? Merge or buyout clearwire and continue with what they already got?
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Haha because Wimax blows and I would rather rely on Sprint to build out a 4G network than Clearwire to execute a 4G plan. We all know how Clearwire did with Wimax and lets just say its not complete. Also I would rather have Sprint on a 4G standard that is compliant to every other major carrier and follows the 3GPP standard and plus LTE is much better than Wimax.
Also I am tired of the 2.5 Ghz poor indoor penetration spectrum. I would rather have Sprint's 800 and 1900 Mhz spectrum for LTE and only rely on Clearwire for supplemental LTE capacity instead of relying entirely on Clearwire. I hope Clearwire succeeds and becomes really profitable because that just means that Sprint will be more profitable since it owns a 54% stake.
Maybe when clearwire is profitable they can begin to start expanding again but I don't see this happening until 2015-2016 at the very earliest but they need to focus on getting back into the black.
Light squared may be doomed but sprint still had clear. They are worth a hell of a lot more now since Verizon's huge priced spectrum buy a few months ago. They were set to be gobbled up by sprint but now the value of their spectrum is greater than sprints market cap. Having spent some time with a network engineer for clear, they aren't doing as bad as people think. Sprint will probably end up with much more spectrum than att has now for lte at least with their partnership. Clear will contract out bandwidth to many companies though. You have to remember that even Verizon is pretty limited and will face some problems as lte is more widely adopted. They have only about 10-15mhz of bandwidth.
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Like me? I have an upgrade available and I figure I should use it ASAP. I'd go for the SIII but no international support (FYI: Note II does not have a removable SIM. grr)
way too big to be used as a phone for me..
I plan on it, though on tmobile rather then sprint
I'm going to get the note 2 on Verizon.
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I'm a little miffed as to why the note 2 doesn't support SVDO while it's GS3 counterpart does. Even so it's still a toss up between the note and the S3 for me.
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All of the phablets are too big for me. Hell, even the new 4.7" screens while very nice to look at, seem outside of normal size to me. I'd probably go GS3 if Sprint retention would offer any reason for me to upgrade my contract, but since they won't and CM10 keeps my MoPho alive and kicking, no need to spend the money.
I plan to at least check it out tomorrow. If I like it enough I will pay full price for it. Now way am I locking it into a 2 year extension when Sprint doesn't even know if LTE will ever come to my area. If I don't like it, I may settle with the Iphone. Either way the Photon has got to go.
This guy is, my photon and evo 3D are both out of commission(photon dropped, signal is rendered useless) (evo 3d, failed digitizer), so, why pay to get those fixed right now when I can buy a beast!!!....with the latest version of Android...and a cool pen,lol, but i'll still get my photon and evo repaired in my leisure time, but the note 2 is gonna be my daily driver for a long....long time
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Bought a S3 off contract from some poor fool on craigslist who needed money badly.. 200 dollars was a steal. Note 2 looks pretty tempting, but i've got a while to wait till my contract is up. I have LTE at my house and various places around town and it's pretty nice. Battery life is better than WIMAX. Probably wait till the next big thing comes out.
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I'm going to get the note 2 on Verizon.
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Why so?
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Yep! It's currently out for delivery!!!! Can't wait to get it.
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Sprint's version has embedded SIM....thus outrageous international rates.
I was going to get this, but the lack of international sim support makes it useless for me, I have about 5 upgrade eligibility's that I can't use because of sprints stupid policy of embedding sim cards. Sprint has yet to release a world phone other than iphone's since the photon and I may have to change carriers if they don't release a world phone again.
Maybe later...
I tried it out and the size didn't seem to feel any different in my pocket (I was using a friend's) and probably would upgrade but I plan on moving in a few months (moving for school) and probably should wait to see what area I'd be in first especially since I seem to use my phone for everything but a phone most of the time.
If you're like me and don't like the embedded SIM, pay attention to this thread!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1959005
If I see real progress soon, I might be pulling the trigger soon.
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Why so?
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My wife didn't get a good signal at her job with Sprint but her co workers who have Verizon get great signal. So we're going to switch plus I'd like to actually have 4g speeds.
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Lightsword1942 said:
I was going to get this, but the lack of international sim support makes it useless for me, I have about 5 upgrade eligibility's that I can't use because of sprints stupid policy of embedding sim cards. Sprint has yet to release a world phone other than iphone's since the photon and I may have to change carriers if they don't release a world phone again.
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What don't you like about the Photon as a world phone might I ask? Iphone blows as a world btw.
And I went with the GS3. It was a better fit. Note was too big along with some other things like screen I didn't like.
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Equalizir said:
My wife didn't get a good signal at her job with Sprint but her co workers who have Verizon get great signal. So we're going to switch plus I'd like to actually have 4g speeds.
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Good deal
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