So I have a Kindle Fire pre-ordered, but I have been reading around and now I am not sure what to do because I am considering canceling my Fire and getting a touchpad off eBay.
Which one do people around here think is the better value, when one is planning on running custom android roms.
fieldju said:
So I have a Kindle Fire pre-ordered, but I have been reading around and now I am not sure what to do because I am considering canceling my Fire and getting a touchpad off eBay.
Which one do people around here think is the better value, when one is planning on running custom android roms.
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The Fire may not be very rom-friendly, but it's not even out yet for the developers to get ahold of. Cm7 is already well on its way for the Touchpad though. If that's your main criteria, I might suggest a Nook Color even. You can find them for $150 for a good refurb and it's well-supported by Cm7. They are similar hardware wise the Kindle Fire and the same form factor (7" screen).
buy me a fire and I'll let you know.
thanks
Well, just a quick at the specs here are a few that stand out:
TouchPad
Processor: Qualcomm dual-core 1.2GHz
Storage memory: 16GB or 32GB
RAM: 1 GB
Screen: 9.7 In.
OS: WebOS/Android 2.3 dual boot
Bluetooth: Yes
Front facing Camera: yes
Accelerometer: Yes
Compass (magnetometer): Yes
Gyroscope: Yes
Kindle Fire
Processor: TI OMAP dual core 1.0GHz
Storage memory: 8GB
RAM: 512 MB
Screen: 7 in.
OS: Android 2.3
Bluetooth: No
Front facing Camera: No
Accelerometer: No
Compass (magnetometer): No
Gyroscope: No
Not sure if one processor has a real advantage over the other but I would guess the TouchPad would probably be the better of the two.
Storage and RAM the TouchPad has the clear advantage.
Screen of course the TouchPad is bigger but it depends on what you prefer.
The Touchpad has an alpha version of Gingerbread 2.3 and of course WebOS witch I like much more than I expected. You could have two operating systems in essence.
The TouchPad was designed as a more Premium device with decent hardware (thus the greater storage and RAM) the Fire was designed as a budget device with cost saving in mind.
With all that in mind I go with the Touchpad if you can keep the price at around two $200 range (give or take a little).
That my 2 cents worth.
Tp is much better hardware
On the TP you also get bluetooth and a camera.
Don't know if Touchpad's GPU really better or worse than SGX540 of Nook, but 1gb of RAM really makes huge difference, 512mb is simply not enough, esp., for tablet.
However, Touchpad is big and heavy, and the pixel density is lower. And it doesn't have a proper build of Android (alpha 2 is alpha 2, more or less stable, but jerky) yet.
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Don't know if Touchpad's GPU really better or worse than SGX540 of Nook, but 1gb of RAM really makes huge difference, 512mb is simply not enough, esp., for tablet.
However, Touchpad is big and heavy, and the pixel density is lower. And it doesn't have a proper build of Android (alpha 2 is alpha 2, more or less stable, but jerky) yet.
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With Ice Cream Sandwich on the way. It is almost a given, that it will ported by early next year if not sooner. This should be a huge reason to go to Craigs List and buy that TouchPad!
Buy the touchpad especially if you get a 32gb version at good price. Android, even though alpha version, is working great. Should be a stable version out soon. ICS is also coming. The touchpad is a high end tablet!
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On the TP you also get bluetooth and a camera.
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Good catch, I'll add that to my list along with:
Accelerometer
Compass (magnetometer)
Gyroscope
Not to mention that the Fire might be locked down.
Good day everyone,
I'm stuck in a predicament and looking for some assistance into taking a decision.
- I want to buy my wife a 7" Tablet, she will use it for reading on the train and such but also internet browsing at home and media use.
- screen has to be good, now my issue is that there's so many out there and I have a limited budget, max 300$.
- With so many tablets out it's getting harder and harder to chose, (A100, A1, B&T Tablet, Kindle Fire, Galaxy Tab 7+
now I've been reading a lot about them and they're all good choices, but there's a always a little something that keeps me from choosing a clear winner.
Also to note I'm looking for a tablet that can offer the full android experience (market, launchers), I've included Kindle fire and Nook Tablet because I'm looking at the possibility of flashing roms on them unlock their full potential.
Preferred Specs:
RAM: 1GB RAM
Storage: At least 16GB otherwise uSD slot
Processor: Dual-Core
OS: Eventually support ICS with HA, the thing about HA is that apparently Nook Tablet might not support it because the kernel ver. is too low and doesn't support HA. I don't know if that's a software issue or hardware limitation.
The only one that doesn't fit the profile is the Galaxy Tab as it's 400$, otherwise i'd be the number 1 choice hands down, this thread wouldn't exist if that was the case.
A100: Issues are mainly battery life, not much Dev, support. (Official ICS dunno about HA)
Kindle Fire: 8GB storage, no expansion, ROMS TBD
Nook Tablet: Locked Bootloader, ROMS TBD (Older Kernel, no HA for ICS TBD)
Lenovo A1: Low RAM, Old processor (thinking ICS w/ HA)
Any1 can shed some additional info that can help assist me into finally picking the right tab.
Thank you in advance
Rodi
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I always narrow down to low priced tablets, which leave you with the Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet. The Kindle Fire is, for some bloody reason, powered by Froyo so I kill that and suggest the Nook Tab.
I'd suggest to take the Vizio Vtab1008 into account, it has only a single core CPU 1ghz 512mb ram and is 8'' but its a very nice device with a good display and it costs ~200$ only
And it sports a nice it blaster to use it as a nice universal remote for home entertainment...
Hello,
Here's my situation, my AMD laptop died, so I bought another for school, but the only one fast enough for my needs sported a 15.6" display.
Unfortunately, that means that it is too large to use on my commute for homework and/or reading textbooks.
So I was looking for a decently cheap tablet of roughly 7"-9" for $200-$250 Canadian.
My eye caught this: http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=d8681b33552db55b5d0936b6fd46521den02
The lenovo ideapad. What kind of performance could I expect compared to my captivate? And how well would it integrate with my Ice Cream Sandwich powered Captivate? Would it work like blackberry bridge with the Playbook?
Thanks ahead of time for the help
Is the Kindle Fire available in Canada? It has a dual core OMAP 4 series dual core processor compared with the single core OMAP 3 in the Ideapad. Besides for that RAM and resolution are the same and the Ideapad has a microSD slot. If you plan on carrying a lot of movies/music then it may be a better idea to go for the Ideapad.
The Fire requires a little modding to get the true Android tablet experience, but it will have good developer support here on XDA. The Ideapad isn't bad though, it looks like it will get an official ICS update where as the Kindle Fire will probably be stuck with unofficial ROMs
Thanks for the reply, I'll have a look as soon as I get to a computer.
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Get the kindle fire if its available in Canada you won't be disappointed. You would have to root it to get the full experience but its REALLY worth it especially if you flash an ICS ROM.
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Get the kindle fire if its available in Canada you won't be disappointed. You would have to root it to get the full experience but its REALLY worth it especially if you flash an ICS ROM.
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I googled the kindle, and amazon ships internationally, is this it? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051QVF7A/?tag=gocous-20&hvadid=8782576877&ref=pd_sl_1jz3836cn0_b
EDIT: I gather that this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugy3pQWSUGo&ob=av3n is it rather than the link above. The review seems pretty decent, however I did get a chance to try out that lenovo tablet in my local futureshop, and that device SCREAMS. I was blown away at the performance considering it is basically the same under the hood as my cell phone. I'm going to do a bit more research on both the kindle fire and the lenovo, as well as some shopping around in my area, thanks for the recommendations.
from the press release- new 7" and a 9"- the OS is upgraded to a custom android 4.0 version....hopefully the original nook tablets will get this upgrade so we can figure out the random reboot etc problems
7" 199for 8gig 229 for 16gig- 243ppi 1440x900 reso
9" 269 for 16gig and 299 for 32gig 253ppi @1920x1280 reso
http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/press_releases/9_26_12_nook_hd_us.html
09/26/2012
Barnes & Noble Launches NOOK® HD and NOOK HD+, Lightest and Highest-Resolution 7-Inch HD Tablet and World’s Lightest Full HD Tablet
Incredible Reading and Entertainment Like Never Seen Before on 7- and 9-Inch Tablets
Designed for Both Personal Use and the Whole Family to Share – Like Having Multiple Devices in One
NOOK HD Offers World’s Highest Resolution Display Ever on a 7-Inch Media Tablet Starting at Only $199
NOOK HD+ is Lightest, Lowest-Priced Full HD Tablet Ever Starting at Only $269
Unbeatable Values for Top Quality Tablets and No Distracting Ads Coming to the US and UK This Fall; Pre-Order Starting Today at NOOK.com and Barnes & Noble Stores
New York, New York – September 26, 2012 – Barnes & Noble, Inc. (NYSE: BKS), the leading retailer of content, digital media and educational products, today introduced NOOK HD and NOOK HD+, the lightest HD and full HD tablets. The super-fast and lightweight 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ feature must-see displays for superior reading and entertainment and an instantly personalized tablet experience for each family member. In fact, NOOK HD boasts the world’s highest-resolution ever on a 7-inch tablet and NOOK HD+ rivals the industry-leading tablet’s display. Starting at the low prices of $199 for NOOK HD and $269 for NOOK HD+, nearly half the cost of the leading large-format tablet, both products deliver an amazing value for customers, with no annoying ads. With more than three million books, a large selection of magazines and apps, and now with newly launched NOOK Video™ and NOOK Catalog™ content, NOOK HD and NOOK HD+ offer virtually endless reading and entertainment at customers’ fingertips. Both are available for pre-order at www.nook.com and Barnes & Noble stores for customers to enjoy beginning in early November.
The fantastic new 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ are packed with favorite tablet features that the whole family will love:
run a customized android 4.0
Wow, nice.
You be honest, after Microsoft pumped all that money into the nook platform at the beginning of the year, I seriously expected them to be running Win 8. Glad to see them sticking with Android.
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/ . . I cannot double validate this blip !
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Here they talk about the cpu. . . http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/
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Hopefully this means the Tablet will get bumped to ICS shortly after they ship these, though they may not to encourage sales of the new tablets (I know I won't buy a new one if the old one gets ICS).
Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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That was my feeling. Sideloading? Probably not.
Unless of course you root the thing.
It would be nice for BN to make a tablet that's useful without rooting.
Love my Nook Simple touch for reading.
Well Let me tell you something based on this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
1.Two ARM Cortex A9 MPCores @ 1.8GHz per core Nice but they compare it 1GHZ not 1.2GHZ that we can have
2.Two ARM Cortex-M3 cores We have those also!
3.SGX544 GFX Core running at 384 MHz (If you Read: TI OMAP 4xxx SoC GPU Comparison it states PowerVR SGX540 also is capable to go to 384 MHz) I want to be clear SGX544 is a better GPU but 540 can play anything you throw at it currently speaking.
4.Hardware composition engine with dedicated 2D graphics core. We have those also!
5.Display subsystem. what to do it when you dont have hdmi out.
6.Dual-channel, 466 MHz LPDDR2 memory. We have Dual-channel, 400 MHz LPDDR2 memory and i bet if we give it some more volts we can reach those 66mhz or maybe 33mhz in worse case.
7.Complete pin-to-pin hardware and software compatibility. Anyone with a hot air station and a faulty NT HD?
http://www.techhive.com/article/2010597/barnes-and-noble-nook-hd-tablet-elevates-the-game.html
Will give you more info about the device. Such as
Barnes & Noble joins the high-definition tablet party and does so in style with the introduction of a pair of new tablets, the 7-inch Nook HD and the 9-inch Nook HD+. With an emphasis on display quality, usability, and lighter weight—at surprisingly competitive prices—Barnes & Noble's 2012 tablets help the company maintain, and expand on, its value tablet history. Both tablets are due out at the end of October, with prices starting at $199 for the 8GB Nook HD, and going to $269 for the Nook HD+.
I spent some quality time with both tablets, and came away with a first-hand perspective on how the two compare to one another and to their increasingly crowded competitive set. It's important to note up front that, like Amazon, Barnes & Noble uses a custom Android build. This means that you're locked into loading apps from the Barnes & Noble app store, rather than from Google Play. And it means that the tablet lacks both Google certification and the Google services that go along with certification (such as the Gmail app, Google Maps, and apps like YouTube, Google Books, or Google Video). Furthermore, Barnes & Noble chose to skip integrated GPS or cameras; Amazon, at least, offers a front-facing camera on the Kindle Fire HD (but not a rear camera).
None of that may matter in the end, if all you want to do is read, browse the Web, do e-mail, or watch videos. In fact, this is why Barnes & Noble made the choices it did as to what to include and what to exclude. An internal survey of tablet owners by Barnes & Noble showed that 75 percent used the tablet for reading, with the next most popular activities being Web browsing, social networking, email, and video, in that order.
The Nook HD—$199 with 8GB, $249 with 16GB—picks up on the foundation set by the current Nook Tablet, which will stay in the market at $179 for an 8GB model. Clearly, Nook HD targets Amazon's Kindle Fire HD and Google's Nexus 7 tablet, as well as any fabled and future Apple 7-inch class tablet to come. Meanwhile, the Nook HD+, with its larger display, aims at standard Android tablets, at Amazon's Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and at Apple's iPad. The HD+ is available in two versions: 16GB for $269, and 32GB for $349.
Massive resolution
The Nook HD has a stunning resolution for its size: 1440 by 900 pixels, which works out to 243 pixels per inch. If this sounds like an unusual resolution, that's because it is: Barnes & Noble went to display makers and dictated the spec it wanted, rather than simply accepting what was on offer.
The result of this innovation looks amazing: Text was smooth on books as well as the general navigation screens, and images looked terrific, with impressive color balance and detail.
As with its predecessor, contrast appeared strong, and glare was minimal since Barnes & Noble uses optical bonding on its displays, as it has since the introduction of the Nook Color nearly two years ago.
The Nook HD+ doesn't push the resolution bar in the same way, though. The 9-inch display carries a 1920-by-1280-pixel resolution, which works out to 256 ppi—practically the same as on the 8.9-inch Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and just shy of the Apple iPad's 264 ppi. Barnes & Noble says it chose the 9-inch display for its 3:2 aspect ratio, which the company describes as “perfect” for use with magazines and books.
Inside the tablets
Both tablets have Wi-Fi, and both add Bluetooth this time around, a notable omission from the original Nook Tablet. Both will also have an HDMI dongle available to connect to the tablet's new 30-pin dock connector; while I prefer integrated HDMI instead of an extra-cost dongle, at least the dongle has a full-size HDMI port, and not a Mini- or Micro-HDMI port that could require an extra cable.
Inside, the tablets each have Texas Instruments' dual-core OMAP 4470 processor. The Nook HD's processor runs at 1.3GHz; the CPU in the Nook HD+ runs at 1.5GHz.
The tablets have a microSD card slot that supports up to 64GB of storage; and unlike the previous model, all the space on the memory card can indeed be used to store your own content. Both tablets include the proprietary charger in the box. Additional chargers cost $20.
Where Nook HD fits
The new Nook HD and Nook HD+ are set to pose a challenge not only to their obvious Amazon Kindle Fire HD competition, but to all tablets. These well-designed models feature innovative design, and have some interesting interoperability plays through Barnes & Noble's new Video Store offering. Each of these tablets is backed by attractive pricing, a strong feature set, and a high-performance display. Traits that make them well-positioned to attract shoppers' attention this holiday season. The $269 Nook HD+ is the best value, and is a particularly intriguing proposition for consumers who are willing to stray from the Apple iPad juggernaut.
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i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
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i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
While I absolutely agree that locking the bootloader on the open platform is a nasty thing to do, especially when you didn't develop the platform yourself. From looking at the Nook UI, I think they at least spend a lot of time polish that. Maybe I wouldn't mind using it even if the BL is locked as long as gaining root and sideloading and install GAPPS can be done painlessly and assuming Nook will continue devloping it platform and roll out update in a timely manner.
Won't waste my time on another nook although glad they keeping micro sd slots
I got cm9 no issues, and hopefully we can cm10 soon also. Ilk stick witg my 16gb tablet. If I need a new one ill get a nexus (might do the same for phone this year) or a transformer. You can get a really good tablet around the same price these days.
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You can get the older Tegra 2 powered ASUS Transformer TF101 for about $230-$250 the newer models all cost $400+ tho without the doc but factor in the dock at about $99 and the price goes up quite a bit out of the range of these things.
While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
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While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
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Agreed. . If you upgrade, you go from a 'good' screen to a 'very good' screen and then you get bluetooth. . And then that's it ! ! !
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I think they should have tossed in a front facing camera ( for skype ) and a functional ( real OTG stuff ) usb . . .
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I cringe at what ( damn crap ) they're gonna put into the boot loader.
Yeah the new ones are running Ompa 4470s while the current crop run 4430s so not a large boost in cpu but they are adding a larger screen an OS upgrade and bluetooth for about the same price as the current nook tablets. So they are basically refreshes to the current hardware. I may pick up the kindle now that they have front facing cameras becuase that would be helpful to stay in touch with people. But at the moment I need a new PC ontop of which we will be moving in the next couple of months so money is tied up in that plus I may switch from boost mobile to T-Mobiles new unlimted 4g plan for $30. so that going to need a different phone then what I have so money is just really tight right now to upgrade the tablet. My current tablet works perfectly fine with me I just wish the screen was bigger at around 8.9 inches like the new Nook Tablets HD+ and Kindle Fire HD+s are.
4470 is way better than 4430. It has a way better GPU also. I think b&n choose wise on cpu`s this time. But it seems new crop comes with way more secure boot loaders.
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Perhaps this all boils down to a generation barrier. I can't imagine why someone felt a lock bootloader was necessary to protect their advertising interest. Isn't it better to be the best and let the customer come flocking to your door?
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
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Repost from B&N Community forum-
I own a Nook Table 16G and have gone through the agony of losing app sideloading when OS was upgraded over the air. I finally moved to CM7 SD version and started seeing the light. If not for CM7, I wouldn't have been able to download from Google Play many apps which are still not yet available in Nook Store after almost a year. I've never missed Nook OS and its built-in apps.
I will not invest another dime to B&N's device before I know for sure that: (1) I can root it and block update OTA completely, and/or (2) I can SD boot it into a full Android device.
By the way, I'm proud to say that throughout my 10-month ownership of Nook Tablet, I haven't spend my money buying any B&N product (books included) - as my boycott to B&N. Sorry, B&N!
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