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Hey All,
I would like to ask anyone who knows how I can properly use Titanium Backup I would really appreciate it. The problem i've had before is that when ever I backup I never seem to know how to properly back up my apps so I can also back up the data like my saved games on angry birds, and my tags on sound hound. If I back up and thn restore I always mess something up and my roms end up all screwed. please some one guide me!!!!
I usually only backup user apps. Press the options button on the bottom left of the vibrant. Then choose batch, then choose backup all user apps.
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briankao1992 said:
I usually only backup user apps. Press the options button on the bottom left of the vibrant. Then choose batch, then choose backup all user apps.
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Like I said though, doing that only backs up the apps but it doesn't back up the data i.e. shazam tags, etc.
ibuddha said:
Hey All,
I would like to ask anyone who knows how I can properly use Titanium Backup I would really appreciate it. The problem i've had before is that when ever I backup I never seem to know how to properly back up my apps so I can also back up the data like my saved games on angry birds, and my tags on sound hound. If I back up and thn restore I always mess something up and my roms end up all screwed. please some one guide me!!!!
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I always select Back up all APP + System data option and that should work
There is a thread on the proper use of Titanium and the best practices, its on my list to find and study today. When I find it I will post and edit.
Don
Edit: I found it in the captivate section. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808255
In addition above is some good advice on Rom manager I use both.
Edit2: not much there sorry.... the search goes on.
12paq said:
There is a thread on the proper use of Titanium and the best practices, its on my list to find and study today. When I find it I will post and edit.
Don
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im interested in this too.
the pain of setting everything up again is actually the only thing keeping me from flashing a new rom. (flashed my mytouch so much that i only kept a few apps)
and can the free version do everything the paid version can do?
kboater said:
im interested in this too.
the pain of setting everything up again is actually the only thing keeping me from flashing a new rom. (flashed my mytouch so much that i only kept a few apps)
and can the free version do everything the paid version can do?
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I found the post its an edit link to my post above. It was in the captivate section but it still should be relevant. Good luck!
Edit: not much there sorry.... the search goes on.
12paq said:
I found the post its an edit link to my post above. It was in the captivate section but it still should be relevant. Good luck!
Edit: not much there sorry.... the search goes on.
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thanks alot. I'll look at it now. I hate flashing ROMS sometimes because I don't get my app data. It sucks having to start Angry Birds from leverl 1 every time I flash something!
I use mybackup pro n backup apps. ..gives option to backup apk + data. Has worked well for me. Don't have re -download apps or anything.
I know this doesn't necessarily answer the question but it gives a way to backup apps+data(bookmarks,texts,call log, settings, etc)
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I switched to Nero V5 from Axura. There is one issue that has been bothering me ever since I flashed Nero V5. I cant seem to restore/repair market links for my restored apps. I tried market doctor in Titanium Backup, also cleared dalvik cache...but nothing seemed to work.
Anyone has an idea how can I restore/repair the broken links?
Thanks.
The only thing I can think of is to just reinstall the offending apps from the Market. Then again, I'm not exactly an expert on the subject.
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The only thing I can think of is to just reinstall the offending apps from the Market. Then again, I'm not exactly an expert on the subject.
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unfortunately this seems to be the only answer.....i have this problem as well on axura, and ive come to realize the hard reality thta nothing will work
When I flashed axura, at first the links were broken but after some tweaking they were restored. I don't know what worked ....I have tried everything. Oh well ....gotta restore them manually now :-(
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OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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WOW WOW WOW...... awesome..... this worked like a charm.... all market links restored.
thanks man
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s15274n said:
OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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not working for me, damn
i choose wipe data, Titanium confirms wipe is complete. then i choose market doctor, it scans my apps but tells me its found no recoverable market links. then i open my market and nothing has changed. it doesnt even look as though the wipe even took place, no disclaimer pops up.
auxra jl5
^ odd, it found like 97 for me... this is something I do eveytime I flash a new froyo rom *reoccuring issue*.... always seems to work. I saw you posted you got it to work another way, not sure why this did not work for you and the other method did (since they are doing the same thing).
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^ odd, it found like 97 for me... this is something I do eveytime I flash a new froyo rom *reoccuring issue*.... always seems to work. I saw you posted you got it to work another way, not sure why this did not work for you and the other method did (since they are doing the same thing).
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eh.....i was kind of wondering as well.....since flashing axura my tibu has been real quirky.
Thanks so much for the fix! I have been struggling to find an answer on google and many different forums..even contacted the developer.
I still do not know why titanium backup refuses to save my market links when I backup my apps + data but I will just stick to this simple work around
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OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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Thank you so much!!
Such an useful post.
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OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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^ odd, it found like 97 for me... this is something I do eveytime I flash a new froyo rom *reoccuring issue*.... always seems to work. I saw you posted you got it to work another way, not sure why this did not work for you and the other method did (since they are doing the same thing).
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oh my god s15.
Thanks i had this problem on CM7 and nothing i did would work even clearing the data/cache from settings
i did it from titanium backup and it all worked out
the market doctor only recognized 1 app from market though.
but i'm just happy it worked.
Thanks once again bro!
s15274n said:
OP
Open titanium backup
go to Market
Click it and clear the data.
Now go to menu > Market Doctor and follow those steps to repair.
Go to your market and accept the disclosure.
Menu > My apps.
All good? this works for me EVERY time.
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Wow... you just saved me wiping data/cache on my Droid X. This worked for me!
Nice to see those steps are helping you guys out. Not sure who told me the first time, but it's a life saver in my opinion. I did notice on ONE ROM it did not work the first time, but after I rebooted and tried again it did. Seems to consistantly work for me.
Hello,
sorry i have the same problem but i don't understand your procedure.
Do you have a Titanium backup full version?
I don't speak very well english, so can you explain me step by step again??
Thank you very much
^ yes, paid version of Ti Backup
in that app, select the market app (in the lost list of apps)
a popup shows, select wipe data
when done, press the back arrow, then menu, then market doctor
follow the prompts to restore broken market links
reboot phone
go to the market, accept the disclsore
everything should be okay now.
I fixed my links, at least the majority, by going into Titanium, going to market, clicking restore, then Data Only. Market Doctor wouldn't work for me at all.
Ok in my SE X8, thanks
wow.. big thanks bro
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s15274n, indeed I am glad to have found your information. Thanks to XDA and your post.. my first post-rom flash has my marketplace back to normal.
Titanium Backup is quite excellent (well worth the nominal fee for a piece of software, and I suspect required for anyone tinkering)
With updates of ROMs being released so quickly, and not wanting to update rather than flash the full ROM, I'm going to start backing up using Titanium Backup.
I am quite happy to backup absolutely everything, but am cautious about restoring things like system settings. Ideally what I would like is to be able to restore all the apps that I had before, their data, and possibly the layout of my homescreens.
How would I do this?
Is there anything I should probably not restore that could mess things up?
Thanks a lot for any replies.
You can backup all apps and data and then restore them later, without worrying about side-effects. This backup will include your launcher and therefore screen layouts, but will not include widgets. You'll need to add them again manually after you restore (it's a permission thing - nothing other that your is allowed to put widgets on your home screens).
System settings is a different story. If you're going from one ROM to another, or changing FW, there could be conflicts and it could cause problems. I tend to always have a backup and only restore system settings if I need to factory reset for some reason.
If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend paying for the pro version, as it can become very boring having to click a couple of buttons for every app you want to restore. The pro version does all apps without the need for interaction.
The easiest way is this: go into titanium backup and press the menu bitten on your phone. Then press batch. Then look for something that says backup all user apps. Click the bitten next to that that says run. Then check 'backup user apps + data' and then uncheck any apps you don't want backed up, and then click run on the bottom. This will backup all your downloaded apps and data, like saved games, etc. You can also do the same things for system apps, but I can't guarantee that they will all work. Hope this helps
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If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend paying for the pro version, as it can become very boring having to click a couple of buttons for every app you want to restore. The pro version does all apps without the need for interaction.
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If you click batch all your apps are selected so you can backup all your apps with 1 clicks, even with the unpaid version. However with the paid version you can set up scheduled backups so it will backup automatically every week, or whenever you set it to
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If you click batch all your apps are selected so you can backup all your apps with 1 clicks, even with the unpaid version. However with the paid version you can set up scheduled backups so it will backup automatically every week, or whenever you set it to
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I was talking about restoring, not backing up. Have you ever restored 200 apps with the unpaid version? It's VERY boring
johncmolyneux said:
You can backup all apps and data and then restore them later, without worrying about side-effects. This backup will include your launcher and therefore screen layouts, but will not include widgets. You'll need to add them again manually after you restore (it's a permission thing - nothing other that your is allowed to put widgets on your home screens).
System settings is a different story. If you're going from one ROM to another, or changing FW, there could be conflicts and it could cause problems. I tend to always have a backup and only restore system settings if I need to factory reset for some reason.
If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend paying for the pro version, as it can become very boring having to click a couple of buttons for every app you want to restore. The pro version does all apps without the need for interaction.
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Thanks XD) but I'm talking more about the restore aspect.
@johncmolyneux
Thanks for your help. So I'm thinking the process will be along the lines of:
backup/restore > batch > backup all user apps
then
batch > restore missing apps with data > selecting app+ data
I will almost certainly buy the pro version of this app, as I'll be using it a lot.
One thing I am particularly anal about is restoring my vast collection of texts going back about 3 years - will restoring the GoSMS app and its data include all these. Probably obvious but I thought I'd ask just to make sure.
Also, I keep getting a message saying that I should check usb debugging as it might cause problems. What's that all about?
Thanks again.
str0ppy said:
Thanks XD) but I'm talking more about the restore aspect.
@johncmolyneux
Thanks for your help. So I'm thinking the process will be along the lines of:
backup/restore > batch > backup all user apps
then
batch > restore missing apps with data > selecting app+ data
I will almost certainly buy the pro version of this app, as I'll be using it a lot.
One thing I am particularly anal about is restoring my vast collection of texts going back about 3 years - will restoring the GoSMS app and its data include all these. Probably obvious but I thought I'd ask just to make sure.
Also, I keep getting a message saying that I should check usb debugging as it might cause problems. What's that all about?
Thanks again.
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That's the process mate - you've got it.
Titanium Backup requires that you have USB debugging enabled, which you get to via Settings, Applications, Development.
As for backing up and restoring text messages, I simply could not recommend any higher an application called SMS Backup+ (free in the Market). It creates a folder in your Gmail account and automatically uploads all text messages to that folder. You can do a restore whenever you like. It's seamless and works perfectly. If you want to keep SMS then look no further! I've gone over easily 30 ROM flashes with it, and now a new phone, and have never lost a single message.
It also means, of course, that you can access you SMS from any browser, which is nice (Can't send from gmail though.)
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That's the process mate - you've got it.
Titanium Backup requires that you have USB debugging enabled, which you get to via Settings, Applications, Development.
As for backing up and restoring text messages, I simply could not recommend any higher an application called SMS Backup+ (free in the Market). It creates a folder in your Gmail account and automatically uploads all text messages to that folder. You can do a restore whenever you like. It's seamless and works perfectly. If you want to keep SMS then look no further! I've gone over easily 30 ROM flashes with it, and now a new phone, and have never lost a single message.
It also means, of course, that you can access you SMS from any browser, which is nice (Can't send from gmail though.)
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Ok, last question. Can I just have usb debugging enabled at the time that I backup and at the time that I restore. I prefer to not have it checked generally - lots of annoying pop up messages on my PC at work etc...
str0ppy said:
Ok, last question. Can I just have usb debugging enabled at the time that I backup and at the time that I restore. I prefer to not have it checked generally - lots of annoying pop up messages on my PC at work etc...
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Long time since I've clicked "thanks" instead of quote! Have a thanks
Yes mate - you can just turn it on and off for Titanium.
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Long time since I've clicked "thanks" instead of quote! Have a thanks
Yes mate - you can just turn it on and off for Titanium.
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Top man. Thanks again.
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Top man. Thanks again.
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No problem mate. Enjoy
Ok so one last question. I understand that Titanium Backup will save the data for my third party launcher, so will preserver all the homescreen arrangments. But if I use TouchWiz, would that count as a system and therefore not preserved if I only backed up and restored user apps and data?
Cheers.
str0ppy said:
Ok so one last question. I understand that Titanium Backup will save the data for my third party launcher, so will preserver all the homescreen arrangments. But if I use TouchWiz, would that count as a system and therefore not preserved if I only backed up and restored user apps and data?
Cheers.
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You might be able to backup and restore the data for touchwizz, not tried.
As far as system data, if the item is green in titanium is ok to restore, if its red, beware.
AFAIK, TouchWiz is just another launcher, so you should be okay to restore, but pay attention to the item colour, as mentioned by veyka.
Ok thanks a lot. Man of many questions at the moment, quite new to Android.
So last one...
When I set up the OS from scratch after a flash, when I get the option to either backup/restore to my Google account, what actually gets backed up then?
Cheers.
str0ppy said:
Ok thanks a lot. Man of many questions at the moment, quite new to Android.
So last one...
When I set up the OS from scratch after a flash, when I get the option to either backup/restore to my Google account, what actually gets backed up then?
Cheers.
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I'm not sure about this one as I've seen different things happen. Sometimes, I've had apps installed again after a new ROM flash, but other times that hasn't happened. I've also had inconsistent results with restoring wifi settings. The only thing I generally rely on Google to store is my contacts. Other than that, I use Titanium for everything, just to be sure.
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I'm not sure about this one as I've seen different things happen. Sometimes, I've had apps installed again after a new ROM flash, but other times that hasn't happened. I've also had inconsistent results with restoring wifi settings. The only thing I generally rely on Google to store is my contacts. Other than that, I use Titanium for everything, just to be sure.
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Ok, thanks.
Hi
I flashed the ParanoidAndroid 2.55cm (4.1.2):
I have Apex launcher pro and Titanium Backup ★ root pro.I made a TB backup in cm9 . I restored all of apps and data and it went well on ParanoidAndroid 2.55cm (4.1.2):. But
I would like to know how to restore all the widgets on ParanoidAndroid 2.55cm with Apex launcher pro home screens ?
Hey guys! I am planning to install the CM7 ROM on my Droid X2. I want to back up my Applications and the application data and any other stuff so that I can restore those apps on CM7. But I heard some people are having trouble using Titanium Backup on CM7.
Are others having this issue too? And if this is indeed a big problem, what other application can I use to back up my apps and app data and restore them on CM7?
Thanks for you help in advance.
I recommend none
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I recommend none
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Then how do you backup and restore app data?
In the BSR recovery, you can do a Nandroid backup. Then, when you are ready to install those apps, you can get a couple of different apps to read from the nandroid backup:
Titanium Backup - But, if you have this, then just use it to backup your apps and data. But, it can restore nandroided programs and settings.
Yaffs Explorer - You can go into the nandroid backup and retrieve programs, settings and files from this and it's free.
I myself use Titanium Backup Pro to backup my programs and settings via the normal backup operations. But, I have used it to restore applications from a nandroid backup when I forgot to backup my settings via Titanium Backup before flashing. That's why I ALWAYS nandroid backup before I flash or SBF.
Titanium Backup, been using it for some time, never had an issue with it.
Lord Nykon said:
Titanium Backup, been using it for some time, never had an issue with it.
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+1 to this...as long as you do NOT restore system data (ringtones, bluetooth pairings, remembered wifi networks, etc...) . User applications and application data has never caused me a problem going between ROMs.
Nandroid from recovery is the best and most accurate, in my opinion its way better than titanium because it actually makes a complete image of your current system and its free, never had any problems with it and it has saved me so many times...
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Nandroid from recovery is the best and most accurate, in my opinion its way better than titanium because it actually makes a complete image of your current system and its free, never had any problems with it and it has saved me so many times...
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Agreed for recovering from a mistake or installing something that didn't work. The OP was looking to be able to move to a different ROM without having to reinstall every app by hand. Nandroid won't help with that...
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Agreed for recovering from a mistake or installing something that didn't work. The OP was looking to be able to move to a different ROM without having to reinstall every app by hand. Nandroid won't help with that...
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But, you can use various apps, like Titanium Backup and others, to reinstall the apps from a nandroid backup. Titanium Backup is really good.
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Titanium backup is the best
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I use Titanium Backup and have never had a problem with restoring my apps and app data on CM7 or MIUI. I think the people who have problems with it are using it to backup and restore their system data, which is not good when changing a ROM since the system data can be a little different from ROM to ROM. Use it for apps and app data only.
I agree with all that say Titanium Backup. I did have a problem with it freezing when it was in between reinstalling an app and switching to another when I ran the batch. However, this might have been me being impatient and trying to enjoy CM7 too soon. lol. Also you can restore from the nandroid backup with the paid version of Titanium Backup.
Rom toolbox automatically backs up apks for root users, no data though.
Titanium backup might be ur best bet
MIUI X2
I have had the freezing problem also but it has only done it with cm7. Reboot usually fixed it. With cm7 i find myself rebooting allot anyway for little glitches. Kinda like windows really just doesn't seem to want to run continuous for long periods of time.
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With CM7, there are many small issues and annoyances for me.
I am going back to stock and maybe over to Eclipse.
Titanium: Frequent crashes, need data wipe to get it going for couple of my apps, (I NEVER restore system stuffs, just my apps).
Games: Some of them have random pauses, some of them have random crashes, 1 game won't work (Siegecraft) etc.
Apps: Sygic Navigation app does not work, Navigon works though, Gallery app re-starts all the time.
Phone calls: I am suspecting some calls are NOT coming through for me, my wife tells me that she has to call me 2-5 times to get through sometimes. I see some missed calls and get notifications, but I could SWEAR that the phone never rang.
Yes, this was my daily driver for couple of weeks, but I would not recommend it.
These issues (other than the phone calls) are minor and annoyance only, but when added all up, It doesn't contribute to good overall experience.
Once it gets few iterations of bug fixes, I will probably get back to it.
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Hey guys! I am planning to install the CM7 ROM on my Droid X2. I want to back up my Applications and the application data and any other stuff so that I can restore those apps on CM7. But I heard some people are having trouble using Titanium Backup on CM7.
Are others having this issue too? And if this is indeed a big problem, what other application can I use to back up my apps and app data and restore them on CM7?
Thanks for you help in advance.
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I use TiBu to backup my apps and data. However, don't use TiBu to restore system apps or data. That just causes problems. I create a "restore" group and put most of my apps in there and restore both the app and data. I also create a group for "apps only" and this just restores the app and not the data. Apps like Groupon I have had to go back and wiped their data to get them to work. If you don't have a bunch of apps (unlike me with 307 apps) I would recommend going through each app on it's own.
Ciao!
My Backup Pro has been very good to me. You can make data and app backsups that can me stored online aswell as on your phone's SD card.
Its also dummy-proof; you'll figure it out in ~15 minutes.
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I've restored my backups from the app 'My Backup', and all my apps are still there, but I thought it was supposed to save my apps settings too? I've lost save games, opera bookmarks aren't there, whatsapp conversation logs gone.The phone just installed these apps and games as though they'd never been used before. I've also had to redo certain other phone settings that I thought My Backup was meant to take care of. What's up with that? Isn't the idea of a backup app to get your phone to be exactly as it was before a reset, including exactly where you left off in any given app or game?
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I've restored my backups from the app 'My Backup', and all my apps are still there, but I thought it was supposed to save my apps settings too? I've lost save games, opera bookmarks aren't there, whatsapp conversation logs gone.The phone just installed these apps and games as though they'd never been used before. I've also had to redo certain other phone settings that I thought My Backup was meant to take care of. What's up with that? Isn't the idea of a backup app to get your phone to be exactly as it was before a reset, including exactly where you left off in any given app or game?
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I think you need root for that app to restore app data and settings.
Roman5 said:
I've restored my backups from the app 'My Backup', and all my apps are still there, but I thought it was supposed to save my apps settings too? I've lost save games, opera bookmarks aren't there, whatsapp conversation logs gone.The phone just installed these apps and games as though they'd never been used before. I've also had to redo certain other phone settings that I thought My Backup was meant to take care of. What's up with that? Isn't the idea of a backup app to get your phone to be exactly as it was before a reset, including exactly where you left off in any given app or game?
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Yes you need root to back up game data and other settings
Damn. Well thanks guys, at least I know. So if I rooted now, do the backups I currently have saved contain my settings, ie, can I still get my settings back, or would the phone have to be have been rooted before the backups were created?
Roman5 said:
Damn. Well thanks guys, at least I know. So if I rooted now, do the backups I currently have saved contain my settings, ie, can I still get my settings back, or would the phone have to be have been rooted before the backups were created?
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I believe you'd have needed root privileges prior to the backup, to read from the /data partition.
ctomgee said:
I believe you'd have needed root privileges prior to the backup, to read from the /data partition.
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ok, well final thought, what about kies? I did a backup on that yesterday. Does kies restore user settings?
Roman5 said:
ok, well final thought, what about kies? I did a backup on that yesterday. Does kies restore user settings?
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For apps? No. Kies wouldn't back up app data/settings anyways. Even if you DID have root.
ctomgee said:
For apps? No. Kies wouldn't back up app data/settings anyways. Even if you DID have root.
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Ah well, such is life. Still, I noticed my memo app was empty, something else My Backup didn't do. Fortunately kies just restored all my memos. Not that I'd generally trust kies for backing up other things, it's so unreliable.
Roman5 said:
Ah well, such is life. Still, I noticed my memo app was empty, something else My Backup didn't do. Fortunately kies just restored all my memos. Not that I'd generally trust kies for backing up other things, it's so unreliable.
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Indeed. I tried using Kies for various things (including updates) for about 2 weeks, but generally found it useless.