I was told by the Verizon rep not to dial *228 with 4g phones becauseit can mess up the sim card. Can anyone confirm this?
It won't mess anything up, but it also doesn't do anything.
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I would think that it would help 3G and 1X. But yeah, no effect on 4G.
This goes back to the Thunderbolt's original release. All 4G devices have the SIM card, which is activated along with your first 4G phone and essentially "encoded" with your phone number (so you can move the card from 4G device to 4G device and not have to "activate" with your phone number).
I also believe that *228 "programming" is not required because (at least partially) the 4G phones that can do simultaneous voice & data use the 1X antenna for the voice, and the 3G/4G antenna for data signal.
If you try to do *228 from a 4G phone, it just hangs up without doing anything else.
well I don't have 4g in my area yet but good to know. Thanks everyone!
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So I was thinking about the tbolt, and realized something that I believe is interesting:
It's pretty common knowledge that Verizon CDMA does not currently support simultaneous voice/data, a huge grievance for many a verizon iPhone owner. The Thunderbolt is touted to be the first device that can handle this function and will do so by handling voice over the CDMA network and data over the LTE network. Makes sense, sounds good and all right? BUT....I was thinking about coverage of LTE and how it's pretty scarce for now and was wondering what would happen if you were not in an LTE area and using the Tbolt? Wouldn't the absence of the LTE network effectively stifle your ability to use data while on the phone?
Does anyone have any info on this or remember reading anything about it? It seems to me that it is entirely possible that the Tbolt will have the same limitations over simultaneous voice/data as the iPhone and other smartphones as long as the user is in a non-4G/LTE area. I am lucky enough to live in a 4G/LTE area so this wouldn't be a huge factor I guess but some people were really looking forward to having that capability.
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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very cool, i was not aware of that. thanks! that does suck about the battery though.....
did you have a source for the dual radio information?
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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if that second option were true, wouldn't that mean that every phone currently running on 3G (iphones and droids alike) would all gain the ability to run simultaneous data and voice? that sounds very nice indeed.
i don't have any sources but i believe i remember reading that the nature of CDMA and how it connects prohibits simultaneous voice/data as opposed to however GSM operates. sorry for such broad information but i'm not exactly a wireless carrier expert. if what you said is true though and they found some way to upgrade it, that would be awesome for all those on verizon 3G.
my skeptical side though is saying that verizon is no saint and would just respond that simultaneous voice/data is a feature specifically for 4G service and if you aren't in a 4G area tough break and wait for 4G/LTE to roll out near you.
Actually VZW recently did a software upgrade for their infrastructure to allow simultaneous voice and data over EVDO Rev A and the Thunderbolt is their first handset with the radio capable of supporting it. From what I've read it's a hardware thing so they can't update firmware in other phones like the iPhone to support it. I can't link to any articles from the XDA App but read any of the major Android blogs as they've been reporting about it for the past couple days or do a Google search for SVDO.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
BAAMM! lol
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
need bb said:
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
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The Thunderbolt have SVDO support, because it's using a SVDO capable chipset. Dual radios doesn't have anything to do with it, but only with CDMA/ 4G LTE handoffs, which is similar to Sprint's 4G phones. SVDO works on a 1X and 1X Advanced capable device, so didn't need to switch to 1X Advanced in order for it to work, though they have been some 1X advanced codecs for a while. Verizon wanted this including in their iPhone 4 phones so bad, but it just wasn't ready.
PorscheGuy said:
OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
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Good info, thanks.
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No problem! I'm just sharing what I've been reading but it's entirely possible that "need bb" knows something that I don't...
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Ok, so I was interested in checking out the LTE speeds and wanted to test out the ability to do SVDO. I went to my local Verizon store and realized that My area doesn't have 4G yet. Duh! lol. And when inspecting the phone itself I could not find a way to turn on or any mention of LTE in any way anywhere on the phone! Hmmmm. So then I tried to test SVDO. I called one t-bolt with the other display t-bolt and then tried to surf. Newp. no can do. The call went thru so Its all setup but maybe it had no sim card?? I didn't check. Maybe my area doesn't have SVDO yet either? Can anyone now confirm simultaneous voice and data??? Now that people have got the phone in their hands now.
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
dkoss said:
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
MauiKeitai said:
Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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You know my verizon rep said a funny thing today when I asked him about the voice/data at the same time on 3G...he actually said "we don't guarantee that will work yet and that the network is still being worked on in some places to enable this feature for certain devices like the Thunderbolt" I had already tried it on the demo TB so I wasn't worried but maybe that's why it's not working for you.
I can also confirm that in a non 4g area it does both voice and data at the same time... nice feature I didn't expect.
Hmm, yeah I guess as usual my area is slow at upgrading the network. Man, if Verizon would pay my etf on Sprint I would be all over that thing.
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mexiken said:
Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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I work for verizon and you are right they have changed on the network side making simultanious voice and data through both 4G and 3G and it was done on the network not on the phone itself. Now I don't know if this was the reason for the month and a half delay or not but makes sense. From what I heard from my friend in the testing department it had to do with battery.
I don't know about you guys but I really love the fact that all the naysayers that simultaneous voice and data is impossible can finally shut up. LOL
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I remember my old droid had an option to download new tower data... how do you do that on the Thunderbolt? Or dont you have to...
Thanks.
i tried doing *228 to update prl's and it backs out of the call. im assuming since its sim based now that option is no longer available. but i never hit 4 bars on lte and wonder if there is another way to update prl's or refresh the network to get 4 bars possibly. bc i use to get 4 bars on 3g at my house, not on 4g now though.
RafficaX said:
i tried doing *228 to update prl's and it backs out of the call. im assuming since its sim based now that option is no longer available. but i never hit 4 bars on lte and wonder if there is another way to update prl's or refresh the network to get 4 bars possibly. bc i use to get 4 bars on 3g at my house, not on 4g now though.
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yeah guys, DONT do *228 for the thunderbolt.....it could mess up ur sim card...or so i'm told by work....
It is my understanding that 4G SIM cards auto-update PRLs/roaming capabilities. You can't do *228 from a Thunderbolt anyway - it will auto hang up upon connecting the call.
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I've been having this problem probably once a day since I've gotten the phone where my phone will lose data signal while switching between 3G and LTE and the only way to get data back is to restart the phone. Turning airplane mode on and off won't work either.
Ive had that issue too..but most of the time it switches back n forth no problem
bik2101 said:
I've been having this problem probably once a day since I've gotten the phone where my phone will lose data signal while switching between 3G and LTE and the only way to get data back is to restart the phone. Turning airplane mode on and off won't work either.
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I haven't noticed any data problems until today. I am unable to connect to 3G. We do not have 4G in my area.
These problems are probably bugs in the LTE System.
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jbh00jh said:
These problems are probably bugs in the LTE System.
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why should bugs in the LTE system affect 3G?
the 3G our phones use is not exactly the same as standard 3G unless you force your phone into EVDO 3G via the ##778 menu. which if you are not in a 4g zone I would recommend simply for stability. The 3G our phones use is basically a layer between 3G and LTE as I've had it explained to me.. I really don't know much else about it though, sorry. I'm sure someone else here can shine more light on it however.
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the 3G our phones use is not exactly the same as standard 3G unless you force your phone into EVDO 3G via the ##778 menu. which if you are not in a 4g zone I would recommend simply for stability. The 3G our phones use is basically a layer between 3G and LTE as I've had it explained to me.. I really don't know much else about it though, sorry. I'm sure someone else here can shine more light on it however.
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oh that's really interesting. thanks for that little bit of info. had no idea.
Same problem with it dropping data signal and never coming back without restart. At least now i know its not a hardware issue
I've had the same problem lately
~John
damn.. i was actually hoping this was a small problem with a simple solution... everything else about the phone is perfect except for this one problem.
Having the same issue here....when switching to cdma I get no 3G just 1X.....hope they find a fix soon
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same here guys. call Verizon and let them know. I think it helps if a bunch of us make them aware.
I've had a ton of weird data issues with the Rezound. I get 1x where i should get 3g, i get 3g where i should get 4g and i get nothing way too often.
I've only had this happen once with the rezound. Shows nothing but bars, no data can be used. Sometimes switching to 3g or 4g in lte on/off helps.
Had this problem intermittently on both my wife's and my bolts, completely agree its just a lte being a new tech issue.
I've listened to a podcast on how the handoff works and its definitely not fool proof.
racingtiger03 said:
the 3G our phones use is not exactly the same as standard 3G unless you force your phone into EVDO 3G via the ##778 menu. which if you are not in a 4g zone I would recommend simply for stability. The 3G our phones use is basically a layer between 3G and LTE as I've had it explained to me.. I really don't know much else about it though, sorry. I'm sure someone else here can shine more light on it however.
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Im in Lawton Oklahoma and I'm not gonna c 4G till 2013 and I'll be pcs before that.
Now I access the ##778 menu in edit mode and what do I do to force EVDO 3G?
Rocking and Loving My Unbelievable Crazy ReZound
Dial ##778#, call
edit mode
password is 000000
modem settings
Rev. A
select "enable"
menu > commit
phone will reboot and you should get 3G back
This changes your network from eHRPD back to EVDO Rev.A. For LTE phone owners, eHRPD causes 3G to die (most of the time anyway) when the LTE network has problems. Get back on normal EVDO and you're good to go.
^ from Jntdroid on another forum (not sure if we're allowed to post to other forums here) I'm not positive on where he got it from, but this is a capability of all HTC 4G phones
I've had occasional issues with being down to 1X, but even that was only during nationwide 4G network issues, definitely get in touch with VZW about that... not that they have enough sense to fix anything *sigh*
Data Connection slow to Acquire (3G/LTE)
If I'm on the subway, or somewhere with no service, then come above ground, I get voice (full bars) but no data -- it could take upwards of 3 minutes+ for data to come back up. Any thoughts?
I've been losing my 3G service throughout my city, being restricted to 1x so many times lately where I SHOULD be getting 3G!(4G isnt available in my area yet). It's really annoying...perhaps nexus isnt theeee only one...
^should I try calling and programing what the user implied? Again, I am not in a 4G area...
not2gutta said:
I've been losing my 3G service throughout my city, being restricted to 1x so many times lately where I SHOULD be getting 3G!(4G isnt available in my area yet). It's really annoying...perhaps nexus isnt theeee only one...
^should I try calling and programing what the user implied? Again, I am not in a 4G area...
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Same issue as you. I live in a 3G area only and my 3G drops out a lot. Even a reboot doesn't get it back. Not sure what to do :/
I was out of town this past weekend. Wisconsin Dells if anyone is interested. While I was there I was experiencing some bad signal, so I read multiple times that you could force a PRL update for your phone to allow it to possibly roam on newer towers. I dialed the *228, then pressed 2. After the update my phone will now only connect to 3g. Even back home now, which I know for sure is a 4g area, I am still stuck on 3g. I spent quite a while messing with settings. The one that controls what network to use. I tried them all really. But its set to LTE/CDMA only right now.
I was running CM10.1 from 8/3. So I formatted system/data/cache/dalvik, everything basically, reflashed the latest build of CM 10.1, and it is still doing it.
Any other ideas before I reflash back to stock and call Verizon?
So I flashed back to stock. Still stuck in 3g. But in the touchwiz interface now it's a bit odd. In Mobile Networks, the list item says Preferred network mode: CDMA/LTE/EVDO. When I touch it, it presents 3 options, Global, LTE / CDMA, and GSM / UMTS. The LTE / CDMA item is selected. The odd part is that even though LTE is listed first on the option when it is selected from the pop up menu, it still says CDMA is first in the preferred network mode, the gray text. That is even more odd is that if I select the GSM one, it doesn't connect to anything, which is expected. But then if I go back into the option and select LTE / CDMA, the status bar icon will say 4g for a half second and then say 3g.
Any ideas?
I found this. Is my sim card really toasted?
https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/786562
"I was recently browsing a different message board to see what was being said about the GS3's poor reception and data, and I came across a discussion on "updating towers" using *228. From what I read, it seems that dialing this number from a 4G phone not only does nothing to update your towers, but it also destroys your SIM card, and prevents you from accessing 4g. Consequently, you will need to get a replacement SIM card. I find it hard to believe that Verizon would allow something like this to happen. It seems that they would notify their customers when upgrading.
Has this happened to anyone???"
Update: I called Verizon. They confirmed the sim can get toasted if you dial *228 on a 4g phone. So I'll have to go into the store tomorrow morning to get a new sim. The support guy was cool about it. It said he did this exact same thing himself before he started working for Verizon.
Yeah I have heard that dialing *228 from a 4G phone is a big no-no but I didnt know that it actually fries your sim. At least you can get another one for free.
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This could be a handy sticky. Just in case more people try/do this.
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I wish I had seen this thread sooner and I have been spending days trying to figure out why my phone would no longer connect to the LTE network after traveling to a 3G only area. Whoops!
I definitely think this should be a sticky - or at least warning not to use *228.
I used to get LTE around here with this phone. Since about a month ago, things have gotten weird. If I use LTE/cdma/evdo mode or global, it just goes to 3G and never connects to LTE. If I go to LTE/gsm/wcdma, it gets LTE but no voice or text (which makes sense because Verizon isn't GSM). The LTE performance also seems really bad in this mode. It seems as though 3G is somehow prioritized above LTE, so if both are allowed it defaults to 3G. Manually switching APN's doesn't help. If I select "LTE - Verizon Internet" it doesn't connect to data and then after about 30 seconds goes to "EHRPC - Verizon Internet " and connects to 3G. Similar results on multiple different ROMs and radios.
I'm wondering if the SIM card could somehow be to blame. If I go to the Verizon store, will they give me a free SIM despite having CM on my phone? Don't care about warranty, phone is over a year old.
Are you on a custom or stock Rom? Is there a "Global" setting under networks? That's what my s4 uses. I don't think it could be your SIM cause if it was you wouldn't have any signal at all, not just 4g.