So ive read that rooting the Touchpad voids your warranty. Ive rooted many devices and there is always a way to unroot if the device needs to be sent back to the manufacturer. Is there a way to do this with the Touchpad? I also wonder how HP would even service or replace this device since its discontinued.
androidmonkey said:
So ive read that rooting the Touchpad voids your warranty. Ive rooted many devices and there is always a way to unroot if the device needs to be sent back to the manufacturer. Is there a way to do this with the Touchpad? I also wonder how HP would even service or replace this device since its discontinued.
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Unrooting in webOs is a simple as turning off developer mode.
Unrooting on the Android build would be removing su. But you are talking about removing Android, which is why there is the ACMEUninstaller. Deletes everything Android related and places partitions back to normal.
Then you can use webOSDoctor if you want to go back to a full stock device.
And yes, they support the hardware for a full year from purchase date.
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I saw that the XDA team had rooted the new software, so I went ahead and did an upgrade via my PC instead of over the air. Now that I've started researching the root methods it looks like all of them void your warranty, so if your phone dies (and lets be honest phones do die often on their own accord), you will be stuck buying a brand new phone.
I like the new software, but there are tools I use that need root such as titanium backup, and settings profiles (for gps scripting). Will there ever be a root going forward that won't break your warranty?
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I saw that the XDA team had rooted the new software, so I went ahead and did an upgrade via my PC instead of over the air. Now that I've started researching the root methods it looks like all of them void your warranty, so if your phone dies (and lets be honest phones do die often on their own accord), you will be stuck buying a brand new phone.
I like the new software, but there are tools I use that need root such as titanium backup, and settings profiles (for gps scripting). Will there ever be a root going forward that won't break your warranty?
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no, the act of rooting voids your warranty not the method. How hard motorola actually tries to determine if your phone is rooted is another matter though especially if something is making your phone disfunctional.
Warranty is not a tangible item that is "broken." It is a legal agreement. By rooting your phone, you are exposing the delicate inner workings to possible breaking. However, since the manufacturer doesn't see what happens to the phone and it stops working, you can generally at least partially restore it, hiding the fact it was rooted. Is your warranty still void? Technically yes. However, the manufacturer doesnt know. Further, Although it is possible to break your phone, you will never have any trouble as long as you follow these guidelines:
- Avoid rooting phones with the OTA 2.3.4
- DO NOT FLASH SBF TO OTA 2.3.4 ATRIX. IT WILL BREAK FOR GOOD
- Read all instructions
- Make sure all mods are for YOUR specific version of the OS
- Backup with CWM before every mod.
- Lastly, insure that the phone battery is fully charged before doing any flashing. This will avoid the possibility that your phone will get bricked and then run out if battery b4 u can fix it (bricked phones do not charge).
- Aside from that, as long as u do not have OTA gingerbread 2.3.4 on your phone, don't freak out if u brick your phone. I have done it 9 times in the past month and everytime managed to restore it with RSD Lite.
Finally: IF YOU DON'T HAVE GINGERBREAD 2.3.4 OTA DO NOT UPGRADE VIA THE OTA UPDATE. USE THE FRUIT CAKE METHOD OR YOU MAY BRICK YOUR PHONE NEXT TIME THAT YOU ROOT/UNLOCK IT.
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Excellent replies. That makes sense, I just didn't realize it was a legal issue more than technical.
Another quick question. If I used the Motorola PC upgrade to 2.3.4 is it still considered an OTA update since I downloaded the stock from Motorola and upgraded it via PC?
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- Avoid rooting phones with the OTA 2.3.4
Finally: IF YOU DON'T HAVE GINGERBREAD 2.3.4 OTA DO NOT UPGRADE VIA THE OTA UPDATE. USE THE FRUIT CAKE METHOD OR YOU MAY BRICK YOUR PHONE NEXT TIME THAT YOU ROOT/UNLOCK IT.
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Huh? you can root just fine with the OTA 2.3.4 using the preinstall method. Works perfectly. If you OTA'd to 2.3.4 you don't ever want to attempt to flash back down to a previous version. You can still root and unlock the phone even with OTA 2.3.4.
The only thing that using the OTA breaks is being able to SBF to previous builds. But you can still use pudding to unlock and use other roms including froyo ones with pudding built in.
I highly doubt it is illegal to root. Where did you hear this?
Google doesn't charge to license Android, and it's their license, AFAIK individual companies cannot do what they want with this license. It remains open source software that anyone can develop for. It's based on Linux/Unix.
Does anyone here even know what rooting does? It is the act of re-enabling the Superuser. A right EVERY Linux distribution should have. Phone or not.
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I highly doubt it is illegal to root. Where did you hear this?
Google doesn't charge to license Android, and it's their license, AFAIK individual companies cannot do what they want with this license. It remains open source software that anyone can develop for. It's based on Linux/Unix.
Does anyone here even know what rooting does? It is the act of re-enabling the Superuser. A right EVERY Linux distribution should have. Phone or not.
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Sun3vi1 said "the warranty is a legal agreement". It says that if your phone breaks within a certain period of time they'll replace it, *provided* you haven't modified it in any way. Rooting may or may not be legal in your jurisdiction, but either way it voids the warranty by modifying the phone.
If you only root in a method that allows you to unroot easily enough, there's no problem. Since rooting is not a particularly invasive set of changes, unrooting should not be difficult.
Alright, so over the last few weeks my phone has developed touchscreen issues, with large parts of the screen now not registering touches. The phone is very close to unusable and I plan to have it exchanged on warranty. HOWEVER, I was rooted back on Froyo (I lost root access with the Gingerbread update) and now I'm stuck with Superuser as a system app (unremovable). I need root access to remove SU, but I haven't been able to find whether or not rooting via .zip flash is reversible or not. I need an answer on whether or not it is, and if so, how.
Also, I'm not simply flashing back to stock because I've heard rumors that the phone keeps track of how many flashes it recieves. How credible is this?
Thanks for any help!
Chairsofter1138 said:
Alright, so over the last few weeks my phone has developed touchscreen issues, with large parts of the screen now not registering touches. The phone is very close to unusable and I plan to have it exchanged on warranty. HOWEVER, I was rooted back on Froyo (I lost root access with the Gingerbread update) and now I'm stuck with Superuser as a system app (unremovable). I need root access to remove SU, but I haven't been able to find whether or not rooting via .zip flash is reversible or not. I need an answer on whether or not it is, and if so, how.
Also, I'm not simply flashing back to stock because I've heard rumors that the phone keeps track of how many flashes it recieves. How credible is this?
Thanks for any help!
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it is reversable download root uninstaller from the market if you are worried about it. me personally i have returned about 4 rooted phones ony to have them fixed and updated when sent back.
dont worry about it, its not unlocked so no harm done
Hi, I had local mobile phone shop (since then gone out of business) try to unlock my Atrix 4G when I first bought it. They couldn't find an appropriate code but 'rooted' my phone for free (Superuser installed)! At the time my phone was on Froyo, but some months later upgraded to Gingerbread and successfully unlocked. I have since tried to install a few apps that require a rooted phone but the apps say that my phone is NOT rooted and will not install . I have also tried to install a few apps which will not install as they tell me that my phone IS rooted . I have also tried root checkers, again these tell me that my phone is NOT rooted.
Is this because 'superuser' is still installed on my phone and that the apps sees this?
How do I remove superuser or get round this issue as another phone emporium tells me (over the phone) that factory resetting will almost certainly brick the phone?
P. S. I have tried to search for clues in the forums but being uninitiated in phone hacking terms, I can't seem to find anything related.
Regards, Gareth.
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I guess it's possible that some (poorly written) apps consider the phone rooted if there is the Superuser app installed. I'm also guessing the phone got unrooted when you upgraded to GB. I'd trust the root checker apps - if they say you're not rooted, that means you're not (at least not properly). So since you're not rooted, there is probably no way to remove the Superuser app.
I think your best bet is to root the phone yourself. The preinstall method is fairly easy and works on all known phone variants and software versions so it's pretty safe. There are some automatic rooting tools too.
Also, either you misunderstood something (or didn't explain it to them right), or they don't know what they're talking about. Factory reset can't ever brick the phone. I've never heard of such a case, ever.
i never saw apps that will not install because of root %)
and yes, root the phone yourself is the best way to control it instructions are in sticked thread in "Atrix 4G General" forum.
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i never saw apps that will not install because of root %)
and yes, root the phone yourself is the best way to control it instructions are in sticked thread in "Atrix 4G General" forum.
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yes me too ，and factory setting will not brick your phone
Edited this original post here, it was 3:30am when I typed the original.. Anyway - anyone know if rooting can cause any type of instability on it's own? Without installing custom mods, roms, etc - does the act of rooting potentially cause things to not work as intended from the carrier? (my friend had an S3, rooted, and allshare stopped working - he was only rooted). I know there is some type of exploit involved in gaining root access, so that's why I ask. It's not a critique on rooting, I want to do it myself.
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Anyone? I know it says "at your own risk", but i am curious - are there inherent known issues that can crop up just from rooting alone, maybe from just the method of gaining root through the system?
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Anyone? I know it says "at your own risk", but i am curious - are there inherent known issues that can crop up just from rooting alone, maybe from just the method of gaining root through the system?
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There may be a few things that don't function properly as a result from rooting. But it's 99.99999% of the time not an actual issue with the files on the phone. Nothing should be modified except for root access.
One of the ones for sure would be ota updates. I read someone else was having issues with one of the Samsung apps for streaming video to devices. These issues and others like them were caused by the system status being changed to custom and can be solved quite easily by setting the system status back to official with wanam xposed. With root and the status set to official your phone should preform exactly as stock in every way except you'll have root.
But be aware if you accept the ota while rooted you may lose root. Would have to re root or use supersu pro to maintain root during the ota.
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Rooting will give you many benefits. Some of these include unauthorized apk installation, developer mode, custom firmware/modem improvements and fixes for some less functional stock features. This list could go on and on...
Most carriers frown upon customers rooting their devices for a few reasons; liability, damage control and profit above all.
When your device is rooted, custum, unofficial, and/or the Samsung KNOX binary counter has been tripped, Sprint/Samsung will consider your warranty void. Basically you will need to return the device to official stock and unrooted if you need to have your phone serviced.
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Rooting will give you many benefits. Some of these include unauthorized apk installation, developer mode, custom firmware/modem improvements and fixes for some less functional stock features. This list could go on and on...
Most carriers frown upon customers rooting their devices for a few reasons; liability, damage control and profit above all.
When your device is rooted, custum, unofficial, and/or the Samsung KNOX binary counter has been tripped, Sprint/Samsung will consider your warranty void. Basically you will need to return the device to official stock and unrooted if you need to have your phone serviced.
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Fully agree.
However just to say it again because I see the question everywhere.
YOU CAN NOT RESET KNOX TO 0X0 AFTER IT HAS BEEN TRIPPED TO 0X1.
There is a root method that doesn't flip the knox flag though if that is a concern.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484095
YOU CAN NOT RESET KNOX TO 0X0 AFTER IT HAS BEEN TRIPPED TO 0X1.
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I've never had issues when just rooting a device granted I've only had the s3 and note 2 and now the note 3. But with the note 3 if you use the auto root method it will trip knox and that can't be undone and will void the warranty. The root de la vega method will give you just root access if it's what your looking for with out messing up knox.
Thanks guys. Yeah, like I said my buddy's allshare cast stopped when he rooted, so now he's reluctant to do that again. I know about not accepting OTAs. I think I am going to wait to see what other root methods may crop up, and also see if anyone finds away to reverse any accidental knox trips. Right now, i'm just enjoying the damn thing lol! Thanks all.
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Thanks guys. Yeah, like I said my buddy's allshare cast stopped when he rooted, so now he's reluctant to do that again. I know about not accepting OTAs. I think I am going to wait to see what other root methods may crop up, and also see if anyone finds away to reverse any accidental knox trips. Right now, i'm just enjoying the damn thing lol! Thanks all.
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If your knox is already flipped no need to wait for a new method. Just cm auto root. Use xposed to set system status official. And optionally get supersu pro and select the keep root ota option or don't update to any ota .the files will be in the development section to flash after its released. Like this and you should be 100% functional and stock/rooted.
I'm currently rooted with the vega root .status official. And everything appears to work for me including allshare.
There is always a risk with changing anything. But in my opinion the benefits out way the risks. And all of this is easily undone by just flashing back to a stock system.
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It is hard to get rooting because they limit the resource.
kelvinzhou905 said:
It is hard to get rooting because they limit the resource.
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its not hard. all the resources you need are here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2484095
Hi,
I rooted my Z2 tablet a few days ago and have found that I don't really need the advantages it brings (from what I can tell). SO - I want to get it back to the way it was when I first opened the box.
I have seen threads about different devices and how to restore them to factory or stock (??), but they seem to call for specific files or flash software. So that brings me once again to this forum to figure out whether anyone can direct me to some instructions on how to do this. I figure it shouldn't be too hard. Just being careful.
Thanks very much for the advice once again.
I think if you flash the rootable kernel again, you could use an unrooting tool to undo the root. I'm also aware that there are files that you can flash to re-lock the bootloader (I once did this with an Xperia mini pro, although I'm not sure if such file exists for this tablet) but the DRM keys are lost forever a.f.a.i.k. But at least if you manage to re-lock the bootloader you will be able to install F/W upgrades through official ways again.
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I think if you flash the rootable kernel again, you could use an unrooting tool to undo the root. I'm also aware that there are files that you can flash to re-lock the bootloader (I once did this with an Xperia mini pro, although I'm not sure if such file exists for this tablet) but the DRM keys are lost forever a.f.a.i.k. But at least if you manage to re-lock the bootloader you will be able to install F/W upgrades through official ways again. Anyhow, you won't be able to restore to (more or less) factory status without at least flashing a couple of files.
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THank you for the response. Unfortunately i'm not even sure how I would go about flashing 'the rootable kernel'.... Feeling a bit foolish for getting into this actually.
From what i'm reading, it seems like I need to get the stock software and start again. So i'm looking for the 'FTF' for my tablet, which is a SGP511. Not having any luck though.
Which was the process that you followed to root it?
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Which was the process that you followed to root it?
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It was on another site - can't remember which. It got the clockwork mod installed. I think? Or was that just a recovery thing? No idea.
I'm actually now just doing a factory reset to see what happens, and it said 'root access possibly lost' in the process, which I thought was a good sign. Guess i'll keep tinkering with enough caution to eventually get the warranty back in tact.
Hopefully the loss of DRM doesn't effect the warranty.
In that case I guess you will have to download a firmware ftf file of an official unmodded firmware (preferably one of your region but I think especially if you have the wifi-only version it doesn't matter much as long as it contains the interface and input languages that you need), and install (or "flash") that using Flashtool. After that the root will certainly be gone and if you could then find a file to relock your bootloader I think your warrenty will be fine. I honestly don't think that Sony service and repair personel will check for DRM keys every time before repairing a device.
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Factory reset appears to have gotten things back to normal. My plan is now just to unroot using an unroot tool (app i guess?) and then to lock the bootloader some how as well.
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Factory reset appears to have gotten things back to normal. My plan is now just to unroot using an unroot tool (app i guess?) and then to lock the bootloader some how as well.
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So it's certain that the tablet is still rooted at this moment? Some superuser apps have an option to do a full unroot, such as SuperSU, you could try that
That's great. I think that's sorted it out. SuperSU had the full unroot option and it looks like it's all sorted.
Thanks for the help.