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I just got off the phone with tech support and it isn't on their system...of course, it is tech support and usually, they are some of the last people to know. But, considering how hard it is to upgrade to the leaked version, do you think HTC can take on the challenge and make the update fairly pain free?
Given the fact that we were told "Honeycomb would be released soon after launch" ... I'm not holding my breath and it really is unfortunate.
Can't even get ahold of the stock RUU for the US WiFi Flyer due to HTC's lack of updates.
My gut feeling, is they wouldn't have put all the effort into making a working HC ROM, if they weren't going to release it. Remember, the leak was beta. Presumably, it will take some time to go from beta to the release/final version. Maybe we'll see a leak for that. Even then, there is some lag time between when the final version is finished, and it actually starts getting pushed out.
From the HC install guide thread on Modaco:
If you're wondering 'why so many steps and why don't we just run the ruu'? There are 2 main reasons - firstly is the fact that you need s-off, which is generally the revolutionary bootloader, which protects itself from being overwritten - a problem as the new bootloader is necessary for HC. The second reason is that flashing RUU or rom.zip updates your misc partition version tag, which can seriously limit your options should something go wrong and / or you need to roll back to Gingerbread.
For the official HC update, it would seem that neither of these issues apply, so the official update process would probably be much easier.
Very unfortunate because the beta HC from HTC is very close but has enough bugs to keep me from using it. No US RUU means you cannot try out the beta and get back to stock and since Google refused to release HC source, not much chance a 3rd party custom ROM will fix problems like camera issues and other things on HC.
My suggestion for everyone to this repeating question, whether they take it is up to the individual, keep bugging @htc and @HTCUSA on twitter (if you have a twitter account)... Or find their facebook page and ask there. Those are usually worked by PR or CS instead of tech support.
Demand usually gets a result.
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Here is what I asked them...
"Being the owner of several HTC Phones and enjoying their build quality, I recently purchased a HTC Flyer, thinking it would (as promised) get updated to Honeycomb.
Now, some web sites are reporting the flyer will not be updated.
I am now approaching my 30 day return window, so my question is, do I need to return my Flyer and buy something like the Samsung?
I really like HTC products but, I do want a device that (as promised) will get updated."
This was their reply ...
"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
Guess we'll see
Edit ... I just sent this ...
"Thank you for your quick reply. As you know the official announcement was on Feb 11, 8 months ago saying the update to Honeycomb would be coming soon. The Flyer is approuching 1 year old and still no update. It seems like I may have to return my flyer and try another product. Thanks, Gary"
I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
I'm leery of Samsung since they are being battered by Apple to the point of delaying their Google / Samsung joint next big thing that was scheduled for Oct.11. I don't expect you'll see ICS on a tablet for a long time since Google hasn't even released the Application layer yet and that's the easy part. After that the HW vendors have to do the kernels and drivers and that's what taking so long with HC right now.
mikejwatkins said:
I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
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Talk to current galaxy tab 7 wifi users about Samsung and their updates. That tablet is a year old and hasn't received gingerbread yet. You'll always be playing that game. Buy a tablet for what it has now, not what It's going to have. Be grateful that we have a stable ROM that works well. Dell Streak owners were pushing for 3.2, now half of them are reporting bugs and others are reverting to froyo. I rather them take the time to get it right. A beta build means they're working on it.
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mikejwatkins said:
I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
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I too like the Flyer but, I think I’ll go with the Lenovo ThinkPad … already has HoneyComb and a much better Notes app.
HDMI and full size usb ports
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tabname=Features
Yeah.... no, I tried to like the big 10 inch. I had a Asus Transformer which worked great, but no, just couldn't really love lugging a huge slate. I have a laptop which is much more capable for lugging. SO I am really digging the Flyer
Kudzus said:
I too like the Flyer but, I think I’ll go with the Lenovo ThinkPad … already has HoneyComb and a much better Notes app.
HDMI and full size usb ports
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tabname=Features
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But have you actually use it? I haven't tried the flyer..but the Thinkpad tablet I have an eval unit right now in front of me and it's horrible!...main issue I have with it is that it's really sluggish...and big!...also, palm rejection probably works like 70% of the time..so as I take some notes..I get specks of dots/lines around where my palm is...
I'm not impressed by the stylus pen so far. Maybe it is much better like they say in HC, but I haven't used it yet, so that was a waste of money.
The Flyer itself is awesome. Good hardware, quality build, great HTC Sense overlay on top of GB. I do like it.
I was unaware that Samsung hadn't released an update for the wifi tab after so long. That is discouraging. But I would really like a device that will see ICS.
If the flyer was dual core and or had a slightly higher resolution screen, I'd definately keep it. But right now I'm still debating.
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
DigitalMD said:
Yeah.... no, I tried to like the big 10 inch. I had a Asus Transformer which worked great, but no, just couldn't really love lugging a huge slate. I have a laptop which is much more capable for lugging. SO I am really digging the Flyer
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Same here. If I can't put it in my back pocket I don't want it.
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aarick said:
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
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I only really have two complaints about the GB Flyer vs. HC. other than the pen.
1. The Sense widgets are huge on GB and the screen grid layout is sized for a phone, not a table. HC looks so much better.
2. The browser in HC seamlessly syncs bookmarks with desktop Chrome and other settings automatically are backed up in a much better fashion than GB.
aarick said:
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
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EXACTLY
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I really doubt that HTC will update Flyer. I sent email to them asking about that. Their answer is not satisfying me. They say that I should wait, if there is update I will get a notification. That is really a bad answer !!!
The reason I bought Flyer is for Magic stylus. But, I am really dissapointed. There is no handwriting recognition. I may not need update, but surely I need apps that can maximize the use of stylus....
Cheers...
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But have you actually use it? I haven't tried the flyer..but the Thinkpad tablet I have an eval unit right now in front of me and it's horrible!...main issue I have with it is that it's really sluggish...and big!...also, palm rejection probably works like 70% of the time..so as I take some notes..I get specks of dots/lines around where my palm is...
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That happens sometimes with the Flyer too. They're both based on the same technology, but Lenovo's has handwriting recognition.
I do love the 7 inch form factor but, man, the Lenovo tablets are looking really attractive right now, especially with both a stylus and a keyboard.
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I'm not impressed by the stylus pen so far. Maybe it is much better like they say in HC, but I haven't used it yet, so that was a waste of money.
The Flyer itself is awesome. Good hardware, quality build, great HTC Sense overlay on top of GB. I do like it.
I was unaware that Samsung hadn't released an update for the wifi tab after so long. That is discouraging. But I would really like a device that will see ICS.
If the flyer was dual core and or had a slightly higher resolution screen, I'd definately keep it. But right now I'm still debating.
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Sorry for the little bit off-topic.
Samsung did upgrade my ex-galaxy tab 7 with GB 3 months ago. After the upgrade, things were smoothly but the chip is still 1G.. playing HD games were still slow. Anyways, I already sold it and bought the 10.1 and it was much faster... and nicer but too big for me.. and I sold it too after I saw a price drop for the flyer.
I am thinking to get the flyer since I really enjoy smaller tablet. 10.1 was nice but too big for me and my kids. I am thinking
1) flyer
2) galaxy tab 7+ (good size dual-core, HC ready and possible ICS in the future)
3) galaxy tab 8.9 (my prefer - I have tried it @best buy, really love the size HC + touchwiz was cool)
may I ask someone who have the flyer
1) do you see/feel any slowness playing games? since it is single-core. my ex-tab 7 was slow sometime.. but my 10.1 was so smooth.
2) how is the pen? my sons like to draw, is it worth to pay 80 bucks to get the pen?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Hi,
do you have any official information, if the tablet s will get an update to android 4?
I found one webpage which says that this will happen, but an official statement would be better.
I really hope ICS comes to the tablet.
Hopeful, as it's coming to the Sony Ericsson Xperia phones
http://www.mobot.net/ice-cream-sandwich-coming-sony-ericsson-androids-31986
Absolutely no reason we wont get it since all sony phones from 2011 will get it...just a matter of when.
Sony will need time to customize 4.0 for the S's features. In that time we'll be seeing Tegra 3 updates to everyone's lines. Not sure Sony wouldn't be better off spending their time getting a Tegra3 S out with 4.0 on it.
Ok thanks.
I hope a Tegra 3 will not come in a month or so, because I want to buy mine today and don´t want to see a new version with tegra 3 in short time.
Unfortunately that's the game we play buying these devices; that best buy commercial was right when people buy a phone only to walk outside and see the billboard for the newer, better device.
I'm pretty positive the Tablet S will get ICS since Sony wants to bolster sales of their first official android tablet on the market. They'd definitely have some happy customers in here!
StarvinMarvin said:
Ok thanks.
I hope a Tegra 3 will not come in a month or so, because I want to buy mine today and don´t want to see a new version with tegra 3 in short time.
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the tablet is to new not to do it plus tegra 3 is just a beefier verison of tegra 2
If I remember correctly, Google said that ICS was a meld of Honeycomb (tablet only) and the the versions prior to Honeycomb (phone optimized). I believe ICS is similar to iOS in that both tablet and phone can run the same apps (where Honeycomb couldnt run phone apps). So most likely ICS will be coming to most devices (prolly 2010 and older) so all their apps can run on all ICS devices
You're right, it would be in everyone's benefit to put ICS on every device; however, they most likely will only do recent, dual-core phones and tablets because it's up to the manufacturers (HTC, Sony, Samsung) to incorporate ICS into their proprietary OS add-ons. If Sony is listening to its consumer base, however, they'll definitely update the Tablet S.
And yes, it's a way of merging phone and tablet OS's. It looks pretty much like honeycomb with some graphical tweaks and useability improvements.
I asked the same question in the Sony Forums. The mods there work with the engineers at Sony.
https://forum.sel.sony.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=11480
Show some interest and maybe we'll make it happen, sooner rather than later.
StarvinMarvin said:
Hi,
do you have any official information, if the tablet s will get an update to android 4?
I found one webpage which says that this will happen, but an official statement would be better.
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For what it's worth, Sony Style employees are confirming the upgrade. I would be more comfortable seeing an official announcement though.
ICS Is coming just can't say when, there will be a minor update this friday, then another one in December, i'd expect 4.0 in the new year though, maybe as late as March.
definitely. but the asus transformer prime doesnt bother me cause i had a transformer before and the quality is terrible.
I read that there definetly will be an Update to Android 4.0. I hope it will come at Christmas
jonnyboy_merritt said:
ICS Is coming just can't say when, there will be a minor update this friday, then another one in December, i'd expect 4.0 in the new year though, maybe as late as March.
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This seems the most likely expectation. ICS Source has only recently been released for manufacturers to impliment the code to their devices.
Q1 2012 I expect.
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Does anyone know when the tablet P will be released in Australia ? The Sony site only shows the S
Has the P been released anywhere ?
Will it have ICS on it by default ?
Also when is the 3G S going to be released
Thanks
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sony+tablet+p
It's on sale in the UK and should be other places soon, doesn't ship with ICS.
3G is also on the way.
unclespoon said:
It's on sale in the UK and should be other places soon, doesn't ship with ICS.
3G is also on the way.
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Thanks unclespoon
I hope they release it in Australia soon as I really like the P design and want to get a real feel of it
I think Sony should provide some idea about if and when these devices will be upgraded to ICS
I had a chat conversation with Sony today and was told that Sony engineers were working with Google to bring ICS to the Sony Tablet S. I was overjoyed.
I could have told you that.... I'm anxious to start hearing actual dates.
i dropped my flyer and now i have a couple of verticle lines going straight down the screen. im still waiting to see how much it'll cost to repair, but if its too much, i will probably just buy a new tablet
i thought the flyer was great, especially with the stylus, but seeing how it is losing support, i was wondering if there was any other 7 inch tablets out there that had the same quality stylus support as the flyer?
Yea the EVO view tab
j510 said:
Yea the EVO view tab
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Something that is gonna be supported in the next year with at least ICS
One problem we all have;
when devs update the SW by 0.0.1 we all need to get one. Hmmm really?
Fu*k all the upgrades as long as device is doing what u need for ya. I love Flyer and wont cry ower ICS, wich is already old and off date by JB. Blah. Updating new devices to be able to load up lates OS doesent look smart anymore specially with costs of devices... and obviuslly mine payment at work.
Looks like all this upgrades r onlly to push u to buy new devices. 500€ for phone this days... I mean common. Flyer was what 600€ or even more when came out...
Blah...
I love HC Leedroid rome 4.3 with Holo luncher now.
So on the end, buy ICS compatible device today and stay out of JB suport tomorow. Run to the store for new one. No recesion in the world i would say
Samsung is having great success with stylus integration based on the Galaxy Note, which is getting ICS updates. They are about to release a series of tablets with stylus, I would look at those.
I got a Note recently to replace my iphone. I hardly ever use my flyer now. The Note obviously has a smaller screen, but does have a higher resolution.
So, my flyer is now for sale
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jprednik said:
One problem we all have;
when devs update the SW by 0.0.1 we all need to get one. Hmmm really?
Fu*k all the upgrades as long as device is doing what u need for ya. I love Flyer and wont cry ower ICS, wich is already old and off date by JB. Blah. Updating new devices to be able to load up lates OS doesent look smart anymore specially with costs of devices... and obviuslly mine payment at work.
Looks like all this upgrades r onlly to push u to buy new devices. 500€ for phone this days... I mean common. Flyer was what 600€ or even more when came out...
Blah...
I love HC Leedroid rome 4.3 with Holo luncher now.
So on the end, buy ICS compatible device today and stay out of JB suport tomorow. Run to the store for new one. No recesion in the world i would say
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haha i WISH my flyer could last me the next five years, but if i have a choice with a device that is no longer going to be supported or upgraded and a newer device, i have to go with the newer one
i know the galaxy note is great, but i want something that is wifi only
by surfing online, it really seems that the flyer was a one of a kind tablet with its stylus.... its so sad that it didnt sell well and htc is giving it a cold shoulder
The next set of Samsung tablets will have pens so don;t cry about Flyer.
HTC's poor sales record has been noticed by Microsoft. MS does not want HTC to build its first Windows 8 tablets.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Weak-sales-keep-HTC-from-launching-first-Windows-8-tablet_id31074
And why can it not? Siriuslly your wife is longa age and stil lasts you LOL.
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/tab...fire&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Oh man... I may have to hold off on my plan to upgrade to an N7...biggest question is price... Will they charge another $500+ (that's what I paid for my Flyer), or compete with the N7 & Fire on that level too?
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
Price points closer to Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire seems like a more feasible marketing tact than taking the "high road" which clearly did not work for the "original" Flyer.
I'm willing to pay more for a higher quality product. But the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet price seems to be the popular business model these days. Low price has resulted in big sales, and popularity has its perks, as more popular devices get better development, and also better support from accessory manufacturers.
I'm not quite ready to upgrade from the Flyer. But if I were, the Nexus 7 would be the lead candidate, and like the OP a new tablet from HTC would possibly be worth considering.
We'll find out on 19th of September
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We'll find out on 19th of September
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
IP IHI II IL said:
I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
IP IHI II IL said:
^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
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Good to know I'm not alone in that opinion
If they'd release it with Scribe and Sense for tablets, it would be great for us as well. Should it get momentum, we could maybe receive an update a-la Galaxy Note 1 users. They just got an update to make the Note 1 UI look more like the Note 2.
I for one have learned the lesson and will never buy a non nexus branded device again. I think that manufacturers need to rethink their strategies and make sure that the devices they offer are easy to upgrade.
If they find no profit in upgrading their existing devices to the latest version of android they should offer an offline image to be downloaded (from e.g htc-dev.com) for a smaller fee. If ICS or JB was available for purchase from HTC I would seriously consider buying it.
The smartphone market is still relarively young but I don´t think it will take long before the market settles and becomes more like pc´s. People don´t want to buy a $500 device that is outdated, software wise, in less than a year.
Nexus is the way to go and I´m sure that Google will prove it soon enough.
HTC's sales are down again, -4% month to month. They are hurting and clearly have not yet learned the lessons.
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
2. Streamline your GUI so that it does NOT hamper your ability to provide Android updates on time and for phones your customers actually own.
3. Remember most customers are stuck with a phone / tablet for 1.5 to 2 years ,not just 4 months.
4. Stop spending millions on PR gimmicks ($300 million on beats audio and you don;t even get a headset with a new phone) and spend a little on updating your current customers.
5. Provide innovation and stop being cheap and screwing your customers and maybe, just maybe they will come back.
I"m betting HTC learned nothing and will price the next tablet with stylus in the range of the Samsung 10.1 Note. ($499) , not the N7 ($199). Let's see.
Killerskincanoe posted this in the "Flyer 2 pics" thread. I thought I'd share here as well... Hopefully they're listening!
http://m.facebook.com/questions/253251231444306/
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DigitalMD said:
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
DigitalMD said:
Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
I think ics/jellybean on HTC devices strips everything appearance wise that was appealing about ics/jellybean. Sense is very stail. Personally I feel the new HTC devices feel behind the counterparts in the market. Just a personal opinion though
Flyer
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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Agree with this. Having recently ditched my flyer for a Nexus 7 and ditched sense on my HOX for cyanogenmod I have to say that the ICS/JB interface is so much fresher than sense, simpler and probably more intuitive. Sense kind of misses the point of android for me by sticking in a load of apps that few people will want or use (sure the weather app is pretty but how about letting me chose if I want it or not?). If it's sense thats responsible for HTC's naff update policy then it should be ditched, or stripped back even further. Frankly the only things I liked about it were the flip clock which is easily replaced, and HTCs contacts app which always handled integration with other apps so well. HTC should look at customer service, build quality and style if they want to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers rather than relying on sense. The HOX for example is (in my opinion, and those of many reviewers) the best looking phone on the market. That differentiates it enough for me, and with "stock" JB on there it flies and feels like a very current device.
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS, the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally
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Have you spent much time on Sense 4 or the One X? To each his own, of course. But I find the opinion that Sense hasn't changed in 2 years, impossible to believe. Sense 4 behaves nothing like the previous version of Sense, much less versions from 2 years ago. And while some of the core aesthetics have been maintained (HTC wants Sense to look a certain way, obviously) many things are overhauled and in significant ways. Much more so than AOSP JB and ICS, in my opinion.
I've never had a single browser crash that I can recall (although the browser is a bit slow), having owned the One X since release in May. And I think the AOSP messaging app is ugly as hell compared to the HTC client (completely subjective, of course). This is coming from someone that has spent a good amount of time on AOSP ROMs on past HTC devices, as well as almost always used 3rd party SMS apps and launchers while on Sense ROMs in order to dodge the HTC versions. But on the One X, for the first time on an HTC device, Sense has really come around and provided a completely fluid, nice looking, and very usable interface. Whether its "better" than AOSP or not is completely subjective. But to say it hasn't changed in 2 years is nuts to me.
You guys are probably already aware, but speaking of the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet pricing: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/06/amazon-kindle-fire-2012/
With Amazon and Google continually "lowering the bar" on price, its less and less likely that HTC will be able to take the high road and stay competitive. They might not be able to match prices like $159 and offer the quality of hardware they are known for. But they might have to try to stake some territory in the "middle ground" as the number of people willing to spend $500 on a tablet that is not an iPad grows slimmer and slimmer.
Being totally honest.. the only thing I hope from a Flyer 2 is a stable JB rom for my regular Flyer.
My flyer makes me happy in a lot of ways.. the one "depressing" thing about my flyer is the god awful honeycomb task manager.
I don't need the absolute latest and greatest hardware when my flyer can do everything I want it to do barring, google chrome and having a decent task manager.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/12/11/htc-android-4-1-jelly-bean-update-list-leaks/
fingers crossed.
One can only hope
If it's coming from football then I'll believe that HTC is going to be updating SOME devices. The Inc 2 was supposed to have official ics in August, but they're still on gb. Granted, going from ics to jb is probably easier than gb to ics, but I won't believe it till I see it. The high end phones are most likely to be updated first (one x, xL etc) while ours will probably be here 2q-3q 2013. Just speaking from experience all my droids have been HTC it's sad but it's way the things work. it's cheaper for oem's to push out new devices rather than update older versions
we will be getting JellyBean
We will... The question is when. Most likely, our awesome devs will beat HTC to it.
Does Project Butter require "optimized" hardware to give any benefit or will it improve latency on any device?