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HTC has been really slow with updates, lately. They promised 2.3.3 for the desire early this year only to scrap it permanently by June. Who knows when HC update will come, but is it possible that HTC will continue its support for the Flyer with an ICS update?
One thing that I've admired about HTC and one of the reasons I decided to become their fanboy was that no matter how old a phone was, they continued supporting it. I remember a friend of mine had an HTC phone that he bought in 2004 and in 2007/2008 he still got updates for it. Now it seems they won't support a device for more than a year or two.
How long before they throw the HTC flyer away and decide its not upto tablet standards?
I believe ice cream sandwich is for phones and honey comb is for tablets.
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Ice Cream Sandwich will come for tablet and for smartphones.
Well, there's a leaked Honeycomb build floating around out there, so that makes me feel that we'll probably at least see Honeycomb. My guess is that we haven't seen it yet becuase Google decided to realease a 3.2 build for 7" tablets not too long ago, and HTC is probably reworking their Honeycomb plans around that build instead of 3.1.
That said, I wouldn't expect to see years and years of suppport on these products. Manufacturers are treating tablets as devices that you keep for a couple of years and then upgrade. That's why we don't get user replaceable batteries, for instance. And I think that, given that the underlying OS is still in its infancy, that's probably a fairly reasonable assumption.
As the OS matures we might see people holding on to their tablets longer, and we might see longer support cycles. But as it is now, if you plan on keeping your tablet for 5 years, you're probably best off buying an iPad. Since Apple makes so few models it's easy for them to support older devices. Plus the company really values customer loyaty (that's the only way they were able to stay afloat with 8-10% market share in a world dominated by the Wintel juggernaut).
That said, I'm pretty happy with my Flyer. I'd like to see software developers keep upgrading their products, but the HTC Flyer running Gingerbread does almost everything I'd want a tablet to do.
Coming soon, Tegra 3 based tablet, the HTC Quattro, believed to use the same Scribe digital stylus as the existing HTC Flyer and Jetstream , coming 2012
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-quattro-tegra-3-tablet-pictured-detailed-17196120/
So, HTC will have a tablet on ICS - no need to officially support in on Flyer (from marketing point of view)
Let's not jump straight to conclusions. Hopefully, they won't forget about us. I mean, after complaining, they seem to have heard us and are working on the HC update. Hopefully if we complain enough they'll release ics (or without the complaining).
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Let's not jump straight to conclusions. Hopefully, they won't forget about us. I mean, after complaining, they seem to have heard us and are working on the HC update. Hopefully if we complain enough they'll release ics (or without the complaining).
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I don't really care about ICS for now, I mean for most of the part, even GB will satisfy my needs, all I want is full stylus support~~~. Have to use fingers for button pushing while having a stylus in hand is just not right...
Sense 4.0 for Android ICS in the works
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sens...Asus_id23932/comments?post=213262#post_213262
it's been 10 months since it was previewed, 5 months since it was first released.
And only 1.5% of the Android market share is ICS.
What is going on?
I think ICS is a product fails, so it was not released. and overcome, they will use the JellyBean.
It's just my opinion.
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What is so compelling about it? I can customize gingerbread to have any features it has. Its not like ios which restricts functionality and appearance to the os level.
The only thing I miss is chrome.
Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Maybe it's because the minimum hardware requirements for ICS mandate more ram, faster processor, etc.. That rules out upgrades of the installed base and adds cost to new products, so the device manufacturers are sticking with Gingerbread for a while longer.
If i recall ... there's is only one ICS released device. The G-Nex.
There are 20million + galaxy s2's out there and another 20 million + galaxy s1's. Add in ten million or so assorted HTC devices and another few million LG and Moto and other oems.
Once more devices with ICS are released, you'll see the percentage increased.
All the GS2's will get ICS soon and many OG Galaxy owners will be near upgrading time (GS3 or so). It'll be rising once the real powerhouses come into town.
Russianzilla already answered out but the basic reason is that phone manufacturers are taking too long to release ics to their owners - for a number of reasons. This means overall adoption is limited to G Nexus buyers and custom room flashers worth compatible devices - hence your miniscule adoption rate
Its not about fragmentation and hardware support, this is business and profit. Its about people still buying gingerbread phones!
If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Sense 4 is beautiful... Plus its lighter and faster than the older versions. We're running a cameraless beta over at the desire s forums, and it looks promising.
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The framework of ICS alone is hell to tamper with, a dev would need at least 100+ GB (yes GIGABYTES) of space on a Linux PC just to set up an environment and create 1, maybe 2 not even fully functional builds of ICS.! And that's for one phone. Imagine HTC trying to build icsandwich or icsense for all of there phones (at least 15), trying to create an evo 3d optimized build to support 3d apps and camera which is near impossible even with the drivers and source code, trying to build for various screen resolutions and hardware (which isn't impossible because the g1, androids FIRST phone, runs a pretty damn stable ICS with few bugs), and on top of that, manufacturers aren't like devs (who will release with bugs and work as they go), it is there goal to release as close to a perfect build as possible, and that just isn't feesable, trying to keep your hardware and software for all of your latest models up to date just isn't something that can be done
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Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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ljordan2 said:
Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks this way
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zonyl said:
If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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don't think so. Ics is the biggest leap Android ever made, it is the first time you're dealing with something that doesn't feel patched up and thoughtless. Gingerbread sure as heck can do most of the things that ics can but everyone knows that the sum is more than it's parts. user interaction and user experience was never part of the gingerbread equation. What you're getting with ics is a modern os that was conceived for modern devices and if that isn't exciting then I don't know.
Oems are too greedy and too stupid to get the picture, that's why ics hasn't been adopded. they still think they can bull**** their customers as they have done for years with no one except Apple standing up for itself. and they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen. In future they'll probably be left behind. New Companies will step up, see the potential, understand that openness and customer care can be profitable, and replace them. Look what happened to Nokia, they ruled the 90s. Same will happen to Samsung and Co.
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they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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ICS slow or broken
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Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
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All good points. To address the section I've bolded, I refer to a point Chainfire gave in response to a pocketnow.com article. ICS isn't a broken or a product flop but a bigger OS jump for the phones than the tablets. The Transformer Prime updated first cause it was an easier transition from honeycomb. The phones requiring more work are taking longer.
Now on top of that point, the OEM's are adding their skins like sense, motoblur, touchwiz and the like. A shame in most cases but it is what it is. It also adds to the delay. More so as ICS is a bigger upgrade iteration then Gingerbread or Froyo was.
While no direct financial gain is to be had from OEM's investing in these upgrades, there is reputation. Of course a good upgrade cycle experience would encourage repeat business rather than consumers abandon a certain OEM's phones or android entirely which a portion of people are doing.
This of course leads to other questions, ones that may need their own thread.
Questions like should android OEM's embrace a less is more strategy. Fewer styles phones with more focus and polish. Can Google enforce its android alliance, or is Google even willing to. Or should it focus smashing the patent war?
I think whatever we see put out of Asus and Moto in the next 18 months will address these questions I've asked.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics did to gb.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics to gb.
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Well no one knows the future. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope that oems would update our device.
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It's a giant clusterfuck of stupidity from all sides.
1. The manufacturers want you to upgrade more frequently. In their eyes, they have no incentive to push timely upgrades because they would make people keep their phones longer.
2. The carriers pressure the manufacturers into skinning Android because they apparently don't a bunch of Android devices that look to be running the same software next to the iPhone. They feel as though they need variety in hardware AND software on their sales floors. This leads to slower adoption as new skins for new versions of Android have to be made by companies that really have no business making software of this kind.
3. Google has basically just been sitting idly by while all of their effort to make what is without a doubt the best mobile OS out there (ICS) is destroyed/ignored by the manufacturers and carriers.
Here's why they're all misguided:
1. The manufacturers are more focused on tricking people into upgrading instead of providing people with the best products available. This is where companies like Apple excel whereas others just don't get it.
2. The carriers don't need a bunch of different skins on their Android devices. This just does not logically follow. Windows machines have been sold on the same sales floor for years without problems. The distinction should be in hardware, not crippling software differences that fragment the user experience.
3. Google needs to do one thing: expand the Nexus line. They can't really impose restrictions on manufacturers like Microsoft can because Android is open source. Three devices in as many years just isn't enough, ESPECIALLY when the current Nexus device is only on one carrier. Imagine two Nexus devices (a larger one and a smaller one) on the four major carriers? That would seriously improve the Android brand. The vast majority of consumers have no idea what ICS even looks like. That is truly a shame at this point.
Gingerbread is a solid OS but it just isn't polished enough to compare to iOS at first glance (and remember, first glance is what sells phones). ICS is essentially a gorgeous version of Gingerbread that blows iOS out of the water. Consumers are getting the shaft by not being able to experience it. Thank god my Captivate has a couple stock ICS ROMs here on XDA. Otherwise, I'd be pretty frustrated with my mobile phone experience at this point.
Hey all. Haven't been keeping up as much as I usually do with things regarding our Photons lately, but I see that Motorola has officially scrapped plans to give us ICS or JB on our 4Gs. However, what I don't understand is, doesn't the fact that the "Q" is on ICS help us regarding the lack of Motorola Android 4.* drivers for our beloved CM9 and 10 developers??? These somehow won't work on the 4G for some reason? I read the other thread and although I am pretty pissed about this also, I can't see myself permanently abandoning Motorola because IMO the device build quality far exceeds other manufacturers like Samsung, HTC, LG, etc., and although I think the quality of the iphone is good I can never again own one as I can't be without a modded phone. The only problem I see is that Sprint only carries the Q right now which sucks for me as I get my phones through work and am not gonna pay for my own even though I'd love to switch to verizon.
Doubt it helps the developers, the Q variant uses a different chipset. The chipsets are integrated with the processor, graphics and in most cases radios all integrated into a single SOC (System on a Chip).
My personal belief is that Moto and Sprint don't want to bother updating any device that isn't LTE capable and the Photon falls into that category. Knowing that the WiMax solution is most likely dead sometime in 2014, or sooner if LTE rolls out fast enough, they want those phones retired.
Yea i wish it could help us but they have all different internals. I asked about the Atrix 2 also but that didn't help us either
OK thanks guys. That sucks.
Closest phone with ICS is the optimus 2x(tegra 2) but apparently even that one is not close enough, drivers are supposedly very model specific. If the atrix got ICS we would be good though apparently since they are extremely similar.
They are now saying that the Atrix and Electrify will also remain on GB. Awe man I really hoped that they would update.. This is horrible and I'm sad that I may have to abandon my Photon and go get something else that isn't being abandoned by Motorola.
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They are now saying that the Atrix and Electrify will also remain on GB. Awe man I really hoped that they would update.. This is horrible and I'm sad that I may have to abandon my Photon and go get something else that isn't being abandoned by Motorola.
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What do you have in mind? Regardless of whatever it is I would say read the Forums from the manufacturers, developer communities like XDA and Android Community, etc. Also, it may not be TOO wise to buy a 1st edition of the phone but then that doesn't make sense now a days because all these companies are cranking out new versions like flies with new bugs as well...*sigh* :crying:
Could be possible to look into the Motorola Xoom tablet since it uses the Tegra 2 and it was updated to Jelly Bean. At least the video drives could help to make the CM9/CM10 work better.
For everyone that had a parent that would smack them one minute then hug them the next, I dare you to read on...
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/15/and...bile-htc-one-this-week-droid-dna-in-december/
Considering they promised an update in September I wouldn't count on it.
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Geeze I'm going to get a nexus 5 and be up .3 levels ha.
Probably will show up on Dec 31 at 11:58 so its technically before the end of the year
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I think Phandroid is off base here. Jason Mackenzie's tweet mentions the T-Mobile HTC One specifically, not the DNA. Then @AndrewGriffitt asks when the DNA will get its update, and Mackenzie responds with the December time frame, but nowhere does he mention that it will be 4.3. The DNA's update is 4.2 (4.2.2?) according to what we've last heard from Verizon, and now it sounds like that update won't come till December.
Am I reading this wrong? Or should I be expecting 4.3 now?
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I think Phandroid is off base here. Jason Mackenzie's tweet mentions the T-Mobile HTC One specifically, not the DNA. Then @AndrewGriffitt asks when the DNA will get its update, and Mackenzie responds with the December time frame, but nowhere does he mention that it will be 4.3. The DNA's update is 4.2 (4.2.2?) according to what we've last heard from Verizon, and now it sounds like that update won't come till December.
Am I reading this wrong? Or should I be expecting 4.3 now?
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I think @jasonmacHTC mentioned in earlier tweets that the next update for the DNA will be the 4.2 update w/ Sense 5.0. I don't think there is an ETA on the 4.3 update with Sense 5.5. I think that's HTC's plan (based on rumors I've read)....eventually, but it definitely won't be this year. This year, its all about 4.2 and Sense 5.0
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I think HTC would slap 4.3 on it today if Verizon would let them. Verizon has to add Navigator and all that other stuff. Look at the ONE. Verizon is the last to update. I've learned that updates don't come with Verizon. I don't root my phones so I just live with what I bought. If I happen to get an update then that's all the better. Verizon still lists this phone at $199. They treat it like a flip phone.
it's pretty basic really. Verizon is in the phone business, they want to sell phones and contracts. If they update our phones to the latest and greatest well then we wouldn't want to change our phones every two years. Android is basically the same across all phones minus the hardware and camera tweaks. So I'm running Sense 5 on my phone and I have access to features that are only on the HTC One like Zoe... Why would I swap my phone for a One at this point? I wouldn't.... see my point? Can't really blame Verizon for their business model. So we root and load ports and AOSP ROMs to get the latest features Verizon refuses to provide so they can make a few extra phone sales and extend some contracts.
I'm still only going to expect a 4.2/4.2.2 update with some iteration of Sense 5 by the year's end (hopefully). Until some new information comes to light anyway.
I also fully expect that to be the final OTA of any significance for this phone, knowing Verizon.
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it's pretty basic really. Verizon is in the phone business, they want to sell phones and contracts. If they update our phones to the latest and greatest well then we wouldn't want to change our phones every two years. Android is basically the same across all phones minus the hardware and camera tweaks. So I'm running Sense 5 on my phone and I have access to features that are only on the HTC One like Zoe... Why would I swap my phone for a One at this point? I wouldn't.... see my point? Can't really blame Verizon for their business model. So we root and load ports and AOSP ROMs to get the latest features Verizon refuses to provide so they can make a few extra phone sales and extend some contracts.
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I would rather have a faster processor with more RAM than a 2 year old phone running the newest version of Android. I'll take speed over a revamped app drawer anyday. An update to Android (yipeee!) isnt going to make me want to hang on to an old phone at the rate that this cell phone technology improves. I wouldnt swap my DNA for a One either. But for a LG G2, a Note 3, a One Max, maybe!
" So we root and load ports and AOSP ROMs to get the latest features Verizon refuses to provide so they can make a few extra phone sales and extend some contracts."
Exactly. It's Verizon's genius business model that fuels all of this, or a lot of it anyway.
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I would rather have a faster processor with more RAM than a 2 year old phone running the newest version of Android. I'll take speed over a revamped app drawer anyday. An update to Android (yipeee!) isnt going to make me want to hang on to an old phone at the rate that this cell phone technology improves. I wouldnt swap my DNA for a One either. But for a LG G2, a Note 3, a One Max, maybe!
" So we root and load ports and AOSP ROMs to get the latest features Verizon refuses to provide so they can make a few extra phone sales and extend some contracts."
Exactly. It's Verizon's genius business model that fuels all of this, or a lot of it anyway.
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But even the technology spread to the phones you mention are not that far off the hardware we already have. I think we will start to see a small plateau on hardware improvement for a little while until new architecture comes out like 64bit processors (like the iPhone 5s) So at this point software and camera features will start to be the real selling point for phones
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But even the technology spread to the phones you mention are not that far off the hardware we already have. I think we will start to see a small plateau on hardware improvement for a little while until new architecture comes out like 64bit processors (like the iPhone 5s) So at this point software and camera features will start to be the real selling point for phones
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I see what your saying. I guess I just miss the days when every year you could look forward to something new. That and I've always been the type of person that wants the latest and greatest, within reason of course, not one of these I-sheep standing in line for a new I-phone, or paying too much as a early adopter. Lol.
When my Droid X's contract was up last October, it seemed like a dinosaur in comparison to what was out, the S3 being the cream at the time. Then when I heard about the DNA I was hyped. 1080p, wireless charging, great processor, etc. I got it for $120 online and was happy as heck. Still seems quick and the video looks superb.
4.3 sense 5 enhanced hit the one today hope that helps our device
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4.3 sense 5 enhanced hit the one today hope that helps our device
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That was for T-Mobile wasn't it?
Hopefully someone will be able to port it. Seems like that's all we ever wait on is a port.