I'm wanting to swap the .7 amp stock Samsung charger for either a Motorola 950 mAmp or a 1.0 amp charger. Is there any danger to this? I wouldn't assume so, just a faster charge.
Then again I'm no electrician so I don't know.
AntwanL said:
I'm wanting to swap the .7 amp stock Samsung charger for either a Motorola 950 mAmp or a 1.0 amp charger. Is there any danger to this? I wouldn't assume so, just a faster charge.
Then again I'm no electrician so I don't know.
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I use the 1amp Monster charger and it makes no difference in charging speed. From what others have posted our phones charging chip limits the input no matter what charger you use.
Oh really??? That sure is discouraging... Well thanks for the heads up
I can verify that from personal experience. My charger I leave in the living room is a stock motorola brick originally with the atrix. And I've never noticed any difference between that one and the samsung branded one that came with the phone.
Though the motorola cord is stupid short. Any motorola users out there know what I'm talking about.
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Oh really??? That sure is discouraging... Well thanks for the heads up
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If it didn't you battery would explode. You can use anything up to 2amp (I've used my playbook charger) and you should be fine, but it won't change the charge speed.
Lithium batteries have a very specific range of operation, and do not tolerate excursions outside that range.
Charging (or discharging) at too high a rate will cause the battery to fail because it increases battery temperature, and because it encourages the growth of dendritic Lithium metal which will short circuit the cathode and anode (increasing temperature). Overcharging and discharging can also cause failures, but most Li-Ion batteries have an internal chip to prevent these situations.
Initially a failing battery will "puff" due to gas generation from the breakdown of electrolyte, but the cells are vented to prevent them from exploding. If the failure is allowed to progress (for instance if the battery is left on charge at too high a rate), the battery will ultimately achieve a condition of "a highly energetic exothermic chemical reaction". Temperatures well above 300ºC are possible - and you can't put it out since it's not combustion, it's a chemical reaction.
It's hot, and it generates a lot of smoke, and it'll set things nearby on fire, but it doesn't actually "explode".
Dang I feel dumb when I read posts by people who are obviously way smarter than me. I mean, I know it's not a high bar, but still.
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I agree with t most everything. watch a video off a li-ion battery exploding (out lighting on fire) they are very violent. The only gripe I have about that last post is burning and fire is still a chemical reaction... I would compare it to thermite which is a rapid oxidation of two metals (which I'm not sure if that classifies as burning or not? HMM) =P just poking fun
PS. Thermite can "burn" without the presence off oxygen and so it doesn't burn... Just reacts. I'm assuming that li-ion does the same...
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Basically, anything with a rating of 0.7 amps or above which shorts D+ and D- together (indicating a dumb charger) will behave the same.
Our internal charging chip limits to 650 mA on AC and 400 on USB. So the only thing you have to watch out for with cheap chargers are:
1) Voltage WAY off from 5 volts (USB standard) at 650 mA load
2) Does not properly signal "dumb charger" causing the phone to charge at 400 mA
So I got a 1.0 mAh USB charger from a Palm device and so far it seems to charge significantly faster.
Not trying to argue the science behind it but that's what i'm seeing.
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@AntwanL
What's the charging time difference?
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I don't have a specific time. I can try clocking one once it discharges but it was MUCH faster than stock. Like I'd wait several hours for about 50% and this one does 40-50% charge in about 1 hour if not less
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Might have issues with your other chargers then. That's about what mine charges at.
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This is with use which always slows it down with my charger.
But i'm not denying it may be my charger. Anything is possible.
I also noticed the palm cable is a lot thicker. Idk if that's significant in this application though.
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Could be. In general rule of thumb is the thicker the cord the better. Though usually stock usb cables are great. You could try a different cable with the brick.
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The Atrix's default adapter in an 5v = .85A, while the Ipad's is 5v = 2.1A. Is it safe for the battery to use this charger? I also have been using the ipod charger on my atrix too, should i countinue to use the ipod charger or does that have negitive effects too, ipod charger is 5v = 1A
Atrix: 5v = .85A
Ipod/Iphone: 5v = 1A
Ipad: 5v = 2.1A
Typically, a device will only pull what it needs, amperage-wise. The ratings on power supplies are, to my knowledge, always indications of maximum amperage, not any form of 'forced' current. Thus, the only time you need to be worried is if it is lower than your device's required input. You should be fine with either.
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That's correct. I actually spent a lot time researching that kind of stuff because I use electronic cigarettes and finding chargers for them was difficult. Anyways, as long as it's 5V it should be fine. They actually make AC adapters that are iPad "compatible", meaning that they are just rated at 2.1A but it still works with the iPhone which the OP has stated uses a lower Amperage.
ian426 said:
Typically, a device will only pull what it needs, amperage-wise. The ratings on power supplies are, to my knowledge, always indications of maximum amperage, not any form of 'forced' current. Thus, the only time you need to be worried is if it is lower than your device's required input. You should be fine with either.
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Thank you, both of you.
Would it charge the same rate?
the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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I might have to double check that. There is a chance that there is some sort of limiting circuit between the wall and the charger for the Atrix... I am fairly certain at least laptops do so. I will see if I have a stronger charger and I will check the voltage across the leads in the atrix... if I can.
Its not voltage that you should be checking, voltage should be same in all usb chargers, about 5 volts, you should be checking amps
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Its not voltage that you should be checking, voltage should be same in all usb chargers, about 5 volts, you should be checking amps
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My mistake... realized that after I posted it.
Also -- I do not have any USB charger that is over one amp, so I cannot check this. If anyone has a mutineer and a more powerful charger, they could do so.
The important factor is the Voltage which is at 5V for both the iPad and Atrix chargers. Whether it is rated at 10W or 5W does not matter because that just reflects the capacity for the current. And the charger is "rated" at 2.1 meaning it can handle that current rather than meaning it will force it. The "draw" of current is decided by the phone itself, as long as the Voltage is identical, the other factors should not matter.
If you read the "Summary" here it will say that, with the iPad charger, you can charge an iPhone which is similar to the Atrix in charging specs:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
And here are a couple more links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZjRm8nkv9Q
http://munnecke.com/blog/?p=836
hlywine said:
the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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thanks live4nyy, i never saw those before. with all the stuff described there, the only conclusion possible is that each device has its built in limiter on how much it will pull while charging, or apple figures that with a bigger charger your battery on ipod/iphone will still last you past the 1 year manufacturers warranty expiration date, but barely past that date, instead of lasting 3-5 years like its suppose to. what ever the case is with apple, i just hope we have a safety built in into our atrix phones. I guess the only way to find out is to actually check the amperage while its charging.
I'm almost positive that the lithium batteries in phones these days are "rated" for specific current and have built in circuits that dictates the "flow", which is also the same thing that causes the battery to go into a "trickle" charge when near capacity. Just for that there has to be some sort of "regulation" happening. See also here:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/question501.htm
But I agree, better safe than sorry. If you happen to have an iPad charger that you plan on using let me know how it goes. I'm curious as well.
hlywine said:
thanks live4nyy, i never saw those before. with all the stuff described there, the only conclusion possible is that each device has its built in limiter on how much it will pull while charging, or apple figures that with a bigger charger your battery on ipod/iphone will still last you past the 1 year manufacturers warranty expiration date, but barely past that date, instead of lasting 3-5 years like its suppose to. what ever the case is with apple, i just hope we have a safety built in into our atrix phones. I guess the only way to find out is to actually check the amperage while its charging.
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I don't know if it's a kernel/rom problem, or a hardware controller that's at fault, but ever since I got this phone charging in car chargers, computer usb outlets, and even alternate wall chargers has been painstakingly slow!
It takes forever to charge, and takes a dedicated powerful wall outlet to even do anything.
Anyone else experiencing this?
The default Samsung Provided Wall outlet charger provides .7A of power, while USB provides .5A of power max. Also what percentage do you charge it at, and can you take a screenshot of your battery usage graph?
The 3rd party chargers that designed for iDevices are not recognized as AC chargers and will be charging at USB mode which is much shower.
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According to Entropy512, here is the quote:
Improved battery charge algorithm for faster charging - Initial research indicates we have an alternate battery charger chip (MAX8922) that differs from the MAX8997 used in the I9100. We DO have an 8997 also - but on our device for some reason Samsung decided to use an alternate chip instead of using the 8997's built-in charging. This means we have far fewer options (90,400,660 mA) in terms of charge rates compared to the I9100 (from 200 to 950 in 50 mA steps). So we might not be able to implement any fancy charging algorithms.
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So if I am understanding correctly we were limited to 660 mA at max and unless some way to change it is found, there is unfortunately no use from more powerful chargers .
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Bowsa2511 said:
I don't know if it's a kernel/rom problem, or a hardware controller that's at fault, but ever since I got this phone charging in car chargers, computer usb outlets, and even alternate wall chargers has been painstakingly slow!
It takes forever to charge, and takes a dedicated powerful wall outlet to even do anything.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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Perhaps you have either a faulty battery or a faulty charger.
Here is a link where you can buy a new battery and wall charger for under 8 bucks for both with free shipping!
Check it out here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1800m-BATTE...045605?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item43aa9a4465
Put your phone in to power saving mode and see if it charges faster.
Other wise exchange it under warranty.
I've experienced that this devices charges significantly slower then my previous devices.
I found it odd when I saw the stock a/c USB adapter outputs at .7mA so i did a starch and found an article out there with a statement from Samsung stating that their devices are designed to charge slow because it's healthier for the battery.
I don't know if the charging current is restricted by some code in the kernel or a physical chip in the main board.
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It is true that slow charges do increase the overall life of the battery. Also not charging it all the way or discharging it all the way will keep the life of the battery. If you discharge the phone all the way down, it will take much longer to charge than charging it back up from 20% or so.
I got one of these to combat this problem:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005LGUEE0/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
Even comes with an official battery.
poofyhairguy said:
I got one of these to combat this problem:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005LGUEE0/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
Even comes with an official battery.
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Can you please post the output voltage and amperage for the battery charger on that accessory? Should be either on a sticker on the bottom of the device our written in fine print on the charger.
Also just to double check, it does not charge a docked device, just the spare battery?
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fone_fanatic said:
I've experienced that this devices charges significantly slower then my previous devices.
I found it odd when I saw the stock a/c USB adapter outputs at .7mA so i did a starch and found an article out there with a statement from Samsung stating that their devices are designed to charge slow because it's healthier for the battery.
I don't know if the charging current is restricted by some code in the kernel or a physical chip in the main board.
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Physical chip. However on other GS2s and original GalaxyS phones, the chip was fairly controllable by the kernel.
Ours isn't - it has three settings. 90, 400, 660 mA.
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Can you please post the output voltage and amperage for the battery charger on that accessory? Should be either on a sticker on the bottom of the device our written in fine print on the charger.
Also just to double check, it does not charge a docked device, just the spare battery?
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It is 600mA, and it just charges the spare battery.
I strongly advise against buying third party batteries or chargers. The Galaxy S 2 (AT&T version) uses a battery with NFC technology. Using anything other than an OEM Samsung battery, or an NFC compliant battery could cause damage to your device.
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Mine isn't third party. All official. Just cheaper thanks to Amazon.
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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This below charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessoriesMy first transformer Prime had charging issues, ( would not charge intermittently) and I found the OEM charger that ships with the prime to be sub-par.. So:
After checking out NUMEROUS threads, I just purchased the following charger and USB adapter from Radio Shack to Use with my Prime:
This particular model has been confirmed to work on the original Transformer-
Enercell AC to DC power adapter 12vdc 1.5A
Radio Shack Model # 273-358
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807944
used together with this USB adapter:
Model #273-227
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3643549
Does anyone know if the above Enercell 12V 1.5A charger should work on the Prime?
see post #104 here in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321&page=11
Also, can someone confirm the Tip polarity I should use? (I believe the prime uses Positive tip polarity just like the original transformer did?)
http://www.12volt-travel.com/knowledgebase/universal-adapter-tip-polarity/
Thanks for any feedback!
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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This above charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessories
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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This above charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
The charger doesn't even get barely warm while it charges... much better than OEM for me!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessories
I thought I read somewhere that fast charges aren't good for the long term viability of lithium-based batteries.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
Simple Guidelines to Prolong Lithium-ion Batteries
Do not discharge Li-ion too low; charge more often.
A random or partial charge is fine. Li-ion does not need a full charge.
Limit the time the battery resides at 4.20/cell (full charge), especially if warm.
Moderate the charge current to between 0.5C and 0.8C for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Avoid ultra-fast charging and discharging.
If the charger allows, lower the charge voltage limit to prolong battery life.
Keep the battery cool. Move it away from heat-generating environments. Avoid hot cars and windowsills.
High heat and full state-of-charge, not cycling, cause short battery life in laptops.
Remove battery from laptop when used on the power grid.
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Yeah, I would avoid third-party chargers. Have had a lot of problems with them for laptops.
clankfu said:
Moderate the charge current to between 0.5C and 0.8C for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Avoid ultra-fast charging and discharging.
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Taking 2 hours to charge implies a 0.5C charge rate.
What's the rated voltage, current and wattage of the stock charger anyway?
Please note that the above charger won't work overseas. It's only got 110V.
webbrowser said:
Taking 2 hours to charge implies a 0.5C charge rate.
What's the rated voltage, current and wattage of the stock charger anyway?
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Stock charger is rated 15 volts DC @ 1.2 Amps
This radio Shack charger That is working for me is rated 12volts DC @ 1.5Amps.
I read the Transformer specs required to chagre are 11V to 15V DC @ 1A to 2A max
This charger fits within these specs, so that is why it works pretty well. The TP and the charger itself do not get hot at all, so I don't think this is causing any issues with the battery. Does anyone think a slightly quicker charge time will harm the battery long term?
Li-Ion Batteries are sensitive to fast charging. While it is within specs, your long term battery life could be affected. There is probably a reason that Asus decided to stay at the very bottom end of the spec.
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Li-Ion Batteries are sensitive to fast charging. While it is within specs, your long term battery life could be affected. There is probably a reason that Asus decided to stay at the very bottom end of the spec.
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I have done additional research due to above feed back in regard to Li-Ion's sensitivity with faster chargers.
Apparently, you are correct in regard to long term battery life concerns. I have only done 3 charges so far with the Radio Shack charger. I will let it drain down and switch over to the stock for now and just keep this other one as a backup. Is charging at 300MA more than OEM that much more of significant concern?
Better safe than sorry. Hopefully the few charges I have done did not cause any harm.... If the stock charger goes bad again though, I don't know if I would buy another one....
What was interesting is how hot the stock charger becomes in comparison to the radio shack model, which barely gets even warm. I always was a believer that more heat means less efficiency, so I'm somewhat confused, but I don't want to risk shortening the battery life, so I will go back to OEM stock charger for now, but reluctantly.
I wonder How these "alternative" chargers have effected the batteries for others with the original transformer?
That's an expensive charging setup... nearly $40 eek
mazjohn said:
I have done additional research due to above feed back in regard to Li-Ion's sensitivity with faster chargers.
Apparently, you are correct in regard to long term battery life concerns. I have only done 3 charges so far with the Radio Shack charger. I will let it drain down and switch over to the stock for now and just keep this other one as a backup. Is charging at 300MA more than OEM that much more of significant concern?
Better safe than sorry. Hopefully the few charges I have done did not cause any harm.... If the stock charger goes bad again though, I don't know if I would buy another one....
What was interesting is how hot the stock charger becomes in comparison to the radio shack model, which barely gets even warm. I always was a believer that more heat means less efficiency, so I'm somewhat confused, but I don't want to risk shortening the battery life, so I will go back to OEM stock charger for now, but reluctantly.
I wonder How these "alternative" chargers have effected the batteries for others with the original transformer?
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I wouldn't worry if I were you. What you bought is just an adapter with a USB socket. The part which decides how to charge the battery is inside the tablet. The requirement for the adapter is to have the same voltage as the original one and at least as much current ( meaning 1.2A or more). The tablet will only take what it needs.
Be careful http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&gl=US
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Be careful http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&gl=US
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It's always easy to scare people. It does say in the description of the movie that he did it by removing the protection circuit. They are designed with protection, so of course they will blow up without one.
Dude why so serious?
It was a joke thus a smiley was implemented. It is quite difficult to do that to a battery. Although I have seen some insane people in the RC hobby community destroy expensive cars and helicopter this way.
Lipo+ignorance=Hollywood style explosions
I saw the smile, don't worry. It is just that most of people, especially when they do not have the knowledge about something, tend to see the bad part (I'm also guilty of this, not in this domain though ).
So, it was not anything against you, the video is entertaining. I just wanted to put people at ease.
Charging Issues
It does not matter the type of rechargeable battery, any "quick charge" will reduce the battery life. I personally don't think 300mA is that much of a difference, but am sure the battery life would be reduced somewhat over time. Nor would I worry much from just 3 charges.
However I don't think we should have to shell out an additional $40 just because Asus can't build quality components. Mine quit charging consistently yesterday (week and a half). I guess we can put it in the same category as GPS...non professional and spotty at best.
EatMy45 said:
However I don't think we should have to shell out an additional $40 just because Asus can't build quality components. Mine quit charging consistently yesterday (week and a half). I guess we can put it in the same category as GPS...non professional and spotty at best.
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Don't worry, ASUS will remove the charger from the SPECs and say it is no longer supported, problem solved...
Wondering if anyone has tried it? I remember reading that the wall charger from my Tab 10.1 was more powerful than for the phones because it would take FOREVER to charge. Wonder if it's compatible with our S3?
Anyone?
I believe that anything that charges on USB is just getting 5 vt, so any charger would work with any phone/tab if it is charging through USB. I would guess that the wall chargers are also putting out 5vt and would therefor be fine with any mini USB plug charging device.
Easy to check, plug it in and see how it works. (Buy insurance first )
Yes,
I have been using my tab 10.1 charger since the first day I got my sgs3.
It DOES charge faster, about an hour for a full charge from <8%
No problems I have noticed, and I am using blazer rom.
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gyrra said:
Yes,
I have been using my tab 10.1 charger since the first day I got my sgs3.
It DOES charge faster, about an hour for a full charge from <8%
No problems I have noticed, and I am using blazer rom.
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An hour, eh? Nice. I thought it would charge faster but not that fast.
And im definitely talking about the using an outlet, not usb.
Thanks for the confirmation!
No problem,
I knew you meant the AC charger, and that's why I posted. USB charging is slow until someone adds in the fastcharge ability to a kernel for our s3's
Glad I could be of help.
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Gave you your first thanks!
if this helps i used a blackberry charger and it worked.. i have had no issues.
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lostsoul565 said:
if this helps i used a blackberry charger and it worked.. i have had no issues.
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Not talking about blackberry either. The wall charger for the Tab is more powerful than phone chargers. Thats the only charger im asking about.
tony yayo said:
Not talking about blackberry either. The wall charger for the Tab is more powerful than phone chargers. Thats the only charger im asking about.
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Any modern device will limit its own current draw to what is needed to do the job. While it is certainly possible for a charger to be underpowered resulting in slower charging it should not be possible for a charger to be overpowered. That is, there is some maximum charge speed the phone is capable of and that limit is expressed as its maximum mA draw. a charger that sources under the max mA will be slower than one that meets or exceeds it. A charger that exceeds the max mA will not charge any faster than any other charger that also exceeds the device's max mA regardless of the differences in their source capacity.
So, if that makes sense to you then you should know it ought to be safe to use a powerful charger and that if faster charging results then the stock charger is in fact underpowered for the device it was paired with.
Disclaimer: Any engineer worth his salt is going to current limit the charging circuit on the phone. However, if this were not the case then providing increased charging capacity will most certainly damage the device.
crabapples said:
Any modern device will limit its own current draw to what is needed to do the job. While it is certainly possible for a charger to be underpowered resulting in slower charging it should not be possible for a charger to be overpowered. That is, there is some maximum charge speed the phone is capable of and that limit is expressed as its maximum mA draw. a charger that sources under the max mA will be slower than one that meets or exceeds it. A charger that exceeds the max mA will not charge any faster than any other charger that also exceeds the device's max mA regardless of the differences in their source capacity.
So, if that makes sense to you then you should know it ought to be safe to use a powerful charger and that if faster charging results then the stock charger is in fact underpowered for the device it was paired with.
Disclaimer: Any engineer worth his salt is going to current limit the charging circuit on the phone. However, if this were not the case then providing increased charging capacity will most certainly damage the device.
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Basically youre saying the phone itself wont pull in anymore draw than it knows it can handle. So I guess if it does charge faster than great. Long as it dont fry im happy!
I would like to find a high output charger that is compatible with the Atrix. I know that some phones will limit the charging rate with unofficial chargers but I do not know about the Atrix. What rapid chargers have you had success with?
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If by that you mean a charger that you connect to the phone, I don't think that will work. If you really want to charge your battery quickly, you will very likely need an external rapid charger (so you take the battery out, put it in the charger, then when it's charged put it back in the phone). However be aware that rapid charging usually comes with a price - by charging the battery quicker you shorten the overal lifespan of the battery.
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If by that you mean a charger that you connect to the phone, I don't think that will work. If you really want to charge your battery quickly, you will very likely need an external rapid charger (so you take the battery out, put it in the charger, then when it's charged put it back in the phone). However be aware that rapid charging usually comes with a price - by charging the battery quicker you shorten the overal lifespan of the battery.
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Sorry if I was not clear enough. What I mean is a high output micro USB AC charger for the US.
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I'm using LG OEM charger which output at 1A. much faster than Motorola OEM charger
im using a Nokia N900 which outputs at 1.2A its fater but i have to do a battery pull so it resets stats correctly
It all depends on the mA Number on the charger. Lookout for 1A at least and you ahoul be fine
China's charger will void your guarantee term.. Are you sure to want It?
You must be aware of your battery because faster charging (more output Amperes than stock) may damage your Atrix!!
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You must be aware of your battery because faster charging (more output Amperes than stock) may damage your Atrix!!
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No, it wont.
I use my TouchPad's charger putting out 2A, it works just fine. I use it for my bluetooth, phone, touchpad and kindle. I use it because it's convenient, one plug/wire for all devices.
A device will NOT charge any faster or get damaged by making more amps AVAILABLE at the source. A device will ONLY draw however many amps it needs, not more. This is the reason why you can replace a 100w bulbs with 60w or 13w CFL and not have them burn out. The voltage remains same, just draws less current (amps).
Like ravilov said, you'll needs something external. Even then I'm skeptical. The faster you charge a battery, the faster it will drain, at least with our type of battery.
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No, it wont.
I use my TouchPad's charger putting out 2A, it works just fine. I use it for my bluetooth, phone, touchpad and kindle. I use it because it's convenient, one plug/wire for all devices.
A device will NOT charge any faster or get damaged by making more amps AVAILABLE at the source. A device will ONLY draw however many amps it needs, not more. This is the reason why you can replace a 100w bulbs with 60w or 13w CFL and not have them burn out. The voltage remains same, just draws less current (amps).
Like ravilov said, you'll needs something external. Even then I'm skeptical. The faster you charge a battery, the faster it will drain, at least with our type of battery.
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One thing you might want to know is that the Touchpad's Charger is a different 5.3V, when compared to the standard 5V USB. Just something I thought you should know.