As many of you know TrevE has helped to discover CIQ problems that were prevalent throughout a plethora of devices. Due to his efforts to educate us in what was going on in our devices CIQ has now issued a C&D to him. I urge you all to read this article and please help spread the word: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
Petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/tel...iq-to-leave-treve-along-and-stop-tracking-you
BREAKING NEWS!
TREV WINS
Mountain View, CA – November 23, 2011 – As, of today, we are withdrawing
our cease and desist letter to Mr. Trevor Eckhart. We have reached out to Mr.
Eckhart and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) to apologize. Our action
was misguided and we are deeply sorry for any concern or trouble that our letter
may have caused Mr. Eckhart. We sincerely appreciate and respect EFF’s work
on his behalf, and share their commitment to protecting free speech in a rapidly
changing technological world.
We would like to take this opportunity to reiterate the functionality of Carrier IQ’s
software, what it does not do and what it does:
- Does not record your keystrokes.
- Does not provide tracking tools.
- Does not inspect or report on the content of your communications, such as
the content of emails and SMSs.
- Does not provide real-time data reporting to any customer.
- Finally, we do not sell Carrier IQ data to third parties.
Our software is designed to help mobile network providers diagnose critical
issues that lead to problems such as dropped calls and battery drain.
Here’s what our software does:
- Our software makes your phone work better by identifying dropped calls
and poor service.
- Our software identifies problems that impede a phone’s battery life.
- Our software makes customer service quicker, more accurate, and more
efficient.
- Our software helps quickly identify trending problems to help mobile
networks prevent them from becoming more widespread.
We look forward to a healthy and robust discussion with EFF that we believe will
be helpful to us, to our customers, and to consumers that use mobile devices.
We welcome feedback on our products and understand that Mr. Eckhart and
other developers like him play an important role by raising questions about the
complicated and technical aspects of the mobile ecosystem.
dastin1015 said:
As many of you know TrevE has helped to discover CIQ problems that were prevalent throughout a plethora of devices. Due to his efforts to educate us in what was going on in our devices CIQ has now issued a C&D to him. I urge you all to read this article and please help spread the word: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
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Wow, they're actually suing him? For exposing spyware? That's ****ed up, yo. I will do whatever I can to spread the word on this.
dastin1015 said:
As many of you know TrevE has helped to discover CIQ problems that were prevalent throughout a plethora of devices. Due to his efforts to educate us in what was going on in our devices CIQ has now issued a C&D to him. I urge you all to read this article and please help spread the word: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
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Posting this link on everything I have access to. This is typically big company BS! Keep up the great work TrevE.
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As many of you know TrevE has helped to discover CIQ problems that were prevalent throughout a plethora of devices. Due to his efforts to educate us in what was going on in our devices CIQ has now issued a C&D to him. I urge you all to read this article and please help spread the word: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
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Already spread to all my social networks TrevE has done great work and he has my support.
Going to be putting this into my signature and spreading the word. This is an absolute outrage. I will never be doing business with ciq, and neither will the 100 other people I tell. Also going to be contacting CNN, and some other news contacts. Say good bye to your business ciq.
Treve if you are reading this, you have our full support, I may be in contract.
-Brant
Got ur back treve! Posted on my facebook,google+,twitter,myspace. CIQ can kiss my ass! Ha. They wanna play like that, we got the support right here and everywhere now! People like there privacy, and ciq dont like that. Scumbags.
hTc 3D
We need to put this on dev section for all to see!!!
hTc 3D
The word(s) of the day...Fah Q CIQ
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Here's some data for CIQ to collect: you're not going to win this one.
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Wow, that is some bull****. It sounds guaranteed that he will win this fight. But agreed with everyone else, the more we spread the word, the more we help, and the closer he comes to winning. TrevE all the way!!
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The word(s) of the day...Fah Q CIQ
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Lmfao! Very creative
Sent from my double barrel Shooter. BANG!
I'm surprised CIQ is doing this when they likely are not at fault for most of the issues currently. It's more closely tied to HTC and sprint since they license to use the CIQ software and do with the info how they see fit.
Even more so it was shown that HTC modified their version a lot making it much less able to be turned off. That in itself is the main issue too. Allow an actual opt out and most if not all issues are gone. HTC/sprint chose not to so that and that's where most blame should be put between them two.
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I'm surprised CIQ is doing this when they likely are not at fault for most of the issues currently. It's more closely tied to HTC and sprint since they license to use the CIQ software and do with the info how they see fit.
Even more so it was shown that HTC modified their version a lot making it much less able to be turned off. That in itself is the main issue too. Allow an actual opt out and most if not all issues are gone. HTC/sprint chose not to so that and that's where most blame should be put between them two.
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This is true. They did however make a patch for it to be removed. If you do remove it they give you the finger by making hboot 1.5.....I think....right?
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I'm surprised CIQ is doing this when they likely are not at fault for most of the issues currently. It's more closely tied to HTC and sprint since they license to use the CIQ software and do with the info how they see fit.
Even more so it was shown that HTC modified their version a lot making it much less able to be turned off. That in itself is the main issue too. Allow an actual opt out and most if not all issues are gone. HTC/sprint chose not to so that and that's where most blame should be put between them two.
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I agree with this also, just didn't want to drag the thread off topic. This lawsuit by a company HTC is in bed with is the final nail in the coffin for me and HTC. I won't be buying another HTC product. And this phone was my third straight HTC.
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I agree with this also, just didn't want to drag the thread off topic. This lawsuit by a company HTC is in bed with is the final nail in the coffin for me and HTC. I won't be buying another HTC product. And this phone was my third straight HTC.
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not just htc thing is in loads of phones. Good luck finding one without it. Just HTC modified theirs more than others from reading what Treve has posted.
Here is the company's sales email. Send them a message [email protected]
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Here is the company's sales email. Send them a message [email protected]
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Thabk you! Ima send em a nice **** YOU ltr
hTc 3D
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Here is the company's sales email. Send them a message [email protected]
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I'm typing mine up
Support TrevE! Fah Q CIQ!!
CIQ probably feels like they are getting a bad rap. But they know what the software is capable of. They signed a contract with carriers. That contract could have had limitations on what ciq would be used for, but obviously the dollar signs in their eyes blinded them.
On the other hand, their software has security flaws. They should have tested it more thoroughly. Oh, wait.....that code is meant to be a backdoor data collector and key logger. Hmm. How do you patch a security hole in code that is made to be a security hole?
Ciq should be taking legal action against those that are using the code to the extent that the carriers are....unless that's what they contracted it out for (in which case they should just accept the well-deserved criticism and bow their heads in shame)
Ever thus to deadbeats.
If everyone is posting on twitter maybe if everyone uses the same #tags it may get more notice.
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This is off topic but please do this and share it with as many people as you can.
http://americancensorship.org/
Today, Congress holds hearings on the first American Internet censorship system.
This bill can pass. If it does the Internet and free speech will never be the same.
Join all of us to stop this bill.
Dude, change your title, this is not at all irrelevant or off topic. Every member of xda that enjoys the freedom to obtain information, exchange information, and use information freely needs to know about the things our governments, plural, are trying to censor. Yes you can find information on the internet on how to build a bomb, but that same information can be used for little Johnny and his science project. The internet is what it is today because the networks that makeup the internet self manage and police themselves.
I have obtained education from my university to know how to synthesize drugs, build bombs, etc. that information also has the power to help or save lives. Should my education be censored too, because I know how to efficiently kill people???
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Dude, change your title, this is not at all irrelevant or off topic. Every member of xda that enjoys the freedom to obtain information, exchange information, and use information freely needs to know about the things our governments, plural, are trying to censor. Yes you can find information on the internet on how to build a bomb, but that same information can be used for little Johnny and his science project. The internet is what it is today because the networks that makeup the internet self manage and police themselves.
I have obtained education from my university to know how to synthesize drugs, build bombs, etc. that information also has the power to help or save lives. Should my education be censored too, because I know how to efficiently kill people???
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right on dude...your totally right
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Dude, change your title, this is not at all irrelevant or off topic. Every member of xda that enjoys the freedom to obtain information, exchange information, and use information freely needs to know about the things our governments, plural, are trying to censor. Yes you can find information on the internet on how to build a bomb, but that same information can be used for little Johnny and his science project. The internet is what it is today because the networks that makeup the internet self manage and police themselves.
I have obtained education from my university to know how to synthesize drugs, build bombs, etc. that information also has the power to help or save lives. Should my education be censored too, because I know how to efficiently kill people???
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There changed it. Lol sorry wasn't really thinking...
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Signed. This internet censorship **** scared the hell out of me.
Did it last night. I saw that unrevoked tweeted it last night.
Via My HTC Evo 3D On The Now Network From Sprint.
ckoadiyn said:
There changed it. Lol sorry wasn't really thinking...
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No no, don't be sorry buddy. You were just trying to be polite. I didn't mean to make my reply sound negative. I was trying to publicly show my support for the petition and your post. I'm the one that is sorry.
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Signed. This internet censorship **** scared the hell out of me.
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You and me both, buddy. This is so incredibly scary.
This just goes to show how our rights are being stripped away one at a time with bills such as these . Like gas prices example I used in another thread , slowly alittle bit , piece by piece they are removed and we accept it and move on . Knowledge shouldn't be restricted or controlled in any fashion . SIGNED
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Dude, change your title, this is not at all irrelevant or off topic. Every member of xda that enjoys the freedom to obtain information, exchange information, and use information freely needs to know about the things our governments, plural, are trying to censor. Yes you can find information on the internet on how to build a bomb, but that same information can be used for little Johnny and his science project. The internet is what it is today because the networks that makeup the internet self manage and police themselves.
I have obtained education from my university to know how to synthesize drugs, build bombs, etc. that information also has the power to help or save lives. Should my education be censored too, because I know how to efficiently kill people???
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Dude, I love when you post stuff like this. Oh and hey.. supersize (or is it synthesize) me some drugs okay. Appreciate it.
signed with much pleasure! Good looking out OP
When did these petitions ever work? I can appreciate the effort, but you all realize it's not going to do jack ****. The site simply said "Thanks for sending the letter to your representative". Did it really send that? Where did it send it to?
I think most effective way would be to directly contact your representative's offices and express your concerns, instead of generating an automated email with identical text.
I just hope that we have enough people in congress with more than one functional brain cell to see that this bill is a pure nightmare and wreak all kinds of havoc. And I am sure it will be veto'd by Obama. But still, letting your representative know about it directly (without computer-generated letter) should be something that everyone does.
You can start here to get contact information: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Directly contacted one of the reps in my area (Denver, Mike Coffman for anyone who questions me) as well as signed the petition.
Less government = more freedom. **** anything that would hinder my ability to know less than I should.
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Directly contacted one of the reps in my area (Denver, Mike Coffman for anyone who questions me) as well as signed the petition.
Less government = more freedom. **** anything that would hinder my ability to know less than I should.
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The news does just that!
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The news does just that!
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Yes it does! Media outlets seem to hold the most power, with what they can do/manipulate people into believing though.
Bump
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The petition is technically already worthless, because it was already voted on, I can't find any news on it. Anyone?
However, there is still the possibly of a veto. The bill had 3/24 democrat so it was mostly a republican bill.
look like no vote yet..
but now google voicing their opinion
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ship-google-twitter-facebook-article-1.979020
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look like no vote yet..
but now google voicing their opinion
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ship-google-twitter-facebook-article-1.979020
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Thanks for the info
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Google was voicing their opinion even in hearing. But what sucks is that out of 6 parties invited to the hearing, only 1 opposed the bill. Basically, bill sponsors paraded people whom they knew would support it, and threw in Google to make it look more kosher.
Facebook and twitter from what i have read are against it
Hey guys, we did a great job the first time around (thanks ckoadyin!!!) But sources say this could be voted on as early as next week! http://americancensorship.org/ for more info and to sign the petition again! I believe if you provide information to where you live when signing that it will automatically send email to your local congressmen, but on top of that we want as many emails and calls as possible. Worst case scenario for a filibuster to be initiated. We have a little more time this time around, so sign, call, spread the word to every social network possible, and to every forum here on xda. I can't tell you how important this is, specially considering this is being advertised as an anti piracy measure (which is total crap!), it gives law makers and large corporations tons of power to censor the internet!
Thanks for reading guys, act fast, power to the people!
I'm surprised there hasn't been any reply to this, this is so scary. I don't want my freedom to obtain or distribute information taken away
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I'm surprised there hasn't been any reply to this, this is so scary. I don't want my freedom to obtain or distribute information taken away
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Is panda sad?
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Step 1) Wait for bill to pass
Step 2) Post illegal links all over government sites
Step 3) Win?
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Is panda sad?
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Panda so sad
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Step 1) Wait for bill to pass
Step 2) Post illegal links all over government sites
Step 3) Win?
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you are full of win
does this mean google will be taken down because illegal links and information can be accessed through the search? hope not but i chuckle at the thought
Dude, the 3 major internet giants (Google, yahoo, Bing) are all AGAINST the bill, trust me, after a couple of friends and ke kinda compared the conditions of this bill to the bill of rights in the constitution alone, it would spit all over it! By shutting down Google, you shut down blogger (freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceful assembly cut) Google ads (pretty much all rights since Google Taylor's ads to what type of site u use), and by doing that, you will probably shutdown the android project, because all major funding for Google and its servers are gone! (Freedom of expression infringed) and various other things! This bill wouldn't stand a chance!!!!!!
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Dude, the 3 major internet giants (Google, yahoo, Bing) are all AGAINST the bill, trust me, after a couple of friends and ke kinda compared the conditions of this bill to the bill of rights in the constitution alone, it would spit all over it! By shutting down Google, you shut down blogger (freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceful assembly cut) Google ads (pretty much all rights since Google Taylor's ads to what type of site u use), and by doing that, you will probably shutdown the android project, because all major funding for Google and its servers are gone! (Freedom of expression infringed) and various other things! This bill wouldn't stand a chance!!!!!!
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Although the bill won't pass, here's a more accurate depiction:
1 - They shut down thepiratebay and other torrent sites
2 - Reddit, 4chan, etc. get extremely angry
3 - they shut down 4chan
4 - users of 4chan hack government websites, start riots, god knows what they are capable of...
But the SOPA bill is probably there to make the Protect-IP thing sound reasonable even though it is still crazy.
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Although the bill won't pass, here's a more accurate depiction:
1 - They shut down thepiratebay and other torrent sites
2 - Reddit, 4chan, etc. get extremely angry
3 - they shut down 4chan
4 - users of 4chan hack government websites, start riots, god knows what they are potential of...
But the SOPA bill is probably there to make the Protect-IP thing sound reasonable even though it is still crazy.
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I think torrent sites suck anyway.! Lol
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Sexual Harassment Panda
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Sexual Harassment Panda
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I'm strangely aroused.
While there is opposition from large companies there is also major support from large companies too. There are over 30 senators just sponsoring the damn thing, and many more supporting it. So you will have to excuse my pessimism, I believe it has a very good chance of passing despite huge opposition from the masses. The companies that are supporting the bill are dumping a lot of money into the pockets of the very senators voting to pass it, therefore it really doesn't matter that it is unpopular.
We have to send the message that if you vote in support you will be trading your political career for it. The only way we do that is by sending emails and calling BEFORE the vote.
So please sign the petition again! If possible call your state representatives too, but at very least sign the petition!!
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Step 2) Post illegal links all over government sites
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Collect underpants?
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http://americancensorship.org/
sign up to call your senator people and leave them a message saying you oppose this bill!!!
do it again they will connect you with your senator! on the spot
ckoadiyn said:
http://americancensorship.org/
sign up to call your senator people and leave them a message saying you oppose this bill!!!
do it again they will connect you with your senator! on the spot
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ahhhhh sweet ck! Thanks for the info, there is no excuse now, half the work is done for you. Let's get on this people. There are two bills we have to kill! SOPA and that internet IP BS.
this is the most ridiculous bill iv ever seen in my life, just the idea of it stomps on our freedom =\
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this is the most ridiculous bill iv ever seen in my life, just the idea of it stomps on our freedom =\
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Thanks for your reply. I have to agree, and it is a potentially scary thought. It is written, and so is the protect IP bill, under the guise that it combats piracy. Except it gives so much power to large companies and the government that it would not be impossible to censor unrelated material! I think Americans like their freedom to obtain information via internet like they like their second amendment rights, which is deal with the consequences of not having that right controlled, rather than lose the freedom altogether. I think it is the responsibility of individual companies to protect their intellectual property themselves, not rely on the government to do it, and in the mean time censor information we have access to.
Am I right?
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Thanks for your reply. I have to agree, and it is a potentially scary thought. It is written, and so is the protect IP bill, under the guise that it combats piracy. Except it gives so much power to large companies and the government that it would not be impossible to censor unrelated material! I think Americans like their freedom to obtain information via internet like they like their second amendment rights, which is deal with the consequences of not having that right controlled, rather than lose the freedom altogether. I think it is the responsibility of individual companies to protect their intellectual property themselves, not rely on the government to do it, and in the mean time censor information we have access to.
Am I right?
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Yep I agree
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I like hitting the thank button just for agreeing with me, lol!
It is absolutely crazy right now. In reality it has been this way for the last 150 years, but the media is focusing so much on the same topic right now it appears as if this crap has just started. With large corporations like general electric not paying taxes and receiving a 3.2 billion dollar tax credit while the lower and middle class get raped with taxes, over regulation on the wrong things, this ciq privacy SNAFU, laws being enacted taking away even our most basic rights....
I mean you can't even throw a stone in any direction and not hit a topic in the news where we actually have real freedom, aren't getting stolen from and cheated by large business and government, ad infinitum! Bah!
Lol so true panda so true n so sad
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3rUQMvyhU
In an attempt to distance themselves from the increasingly volatile Carrier IQ situation, we’ve been told that Sprint has ordered that all of their hardware partners remove the Carrier IQ software from Sprint devices as soon as possible.
This comes after a number of dramatic turns over the past few weeks. During that time Carrier IQ was called a lot of things, from a harmless mobile intelligence company to a vicious rootkit designed to steal our personal data and sell it to the ne’er-do-wells. In my opinion, Carrier IQ is a company that provides a service that benefits everyone with a cellphone by giving information to the carriers about when their network has problems that affects our service. Unfortunately, this software was installed in such a manner that, when discovered, there was a significant panic. This is understandable because the software was forced onto unsuspecting users with no real oversight to speak of.
That panic was made worse when the company responded by trying to silence the person who discovered the software, instead of trying to explain what was actually happening. So here we sit, a month away from a Senate hearing on whether or not Carrier IQ is doing anything illegal, on top of a barrage of lawsuits against all of the companies involved.
Sources at HTC have told us that, as a result of the lawsuits targeting Carrier IQ, Sprint, and other CIQ-using OEMs, Sprint has asked all of their partners to get rid of Carrier IQ. Starting with the high-volume and high-profile devices on the network, each of the OEM’s has been asked to quickly release binaries that do not contain Carrier IQ so that over-the-air updates can be pushed to those devices as quickly as possible. The eventual plan is to remove Carrier IQ from all of the devices on Sprint’s network.
This is being done as soon as possible and, according to our source at HTC, anyone who is working with Sprint in testing labs have even had their vacation time over the holidays seriously restricted. No official rollout plan for these updates has been devised, but it has been made clear to everyone involved that this change needs to happen soon. I would assume that we will see updates for devices including the iPhone, HTC Evo 3D, and the Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch before 2012.
At this time, Carrier IQ, Samsung, and Apple all refused to comment on any developments in this matter.
Some may view this as a classic “too little, too late” situation. Sprint waited until there were lawsuits to start removing Carrier IQ from their network, where previously they had been defending their use of the mobile intelligence service. This could possibly even be seen as an admission of guilt, as them removing the software in an attempt to make amends for what they have been caught doing.
Even so, Sprint could have just as easily made a public statement announcing that they were turning off the servers that collected the information, pending the results of the trial and the Senate inquiry. At that point a simple test from any of the security researchers that have gotten involved would confirm Sprint’s cancellation of CIQ and they wouldn’t have to involve every manufacturer on their network.
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TrevE > CIQ
Nuff said!!!
Another victory!!!! TrevE is forever my hero!
While this is nice and all the article seems to be lacking some knowledge in itself on some things. mainly the fact it included iPhone in the list of devices that would be getting updates. I'm pretty sure Apple commented on this long ago stating they do not use CarrierIQ in their devices anymore at all.
And I can't really see Sprint able to force Apple to load it on the device either...
Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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I just had to laugh I mean Sprints network already sucks how could it possibly get worse. CarrierIQ is not going to fix 4G or even poor 3G speeds due to network congestion. They know they have a problem doubt they need an app to confirm it.
Can you say Pwned! TrevE is the man!
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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How are we pathetic..... Ciq is the one that is pathetic. They had the chance to explain what CIQ does but instead they try to silence TrevE. On top of that they install CIQ without even letting you know.
I understand that it's probably used to make phones and services better, but they should at least give you a disclaimer, an opt out option, and an explanation of what CIQ does and maybe then so many people wouldn't be angry at CIQ.
I think the *****ing and complaining is like he said...the fact they covered it up, tried to silence someone. Not that its probably bad software but bad business ethics. Agreed?
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Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
+1 so true
Information was still being withdrawn from my phone without my permission. Individual info should never be given out for free nor taken without consent.
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CIQ might have done the right thing collecting error logs on the phone to troubleshoot. But installing it on devices without user permission or any kind of disclosure of the software being install is just "unethical".
P.S. the reason why they are being sued was due to unethical practices.
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The fact that it was capable of reading texts, emails, URLs, passwords is what the problem is. We're just supposed to believe they aren't using it for that? Why the hell is it even possible to do so then?!
Cuss all you want..you can be a tool. I'll go with the crowd that wants it gone.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
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LOL! When my life is ruined? They aren't stealing credit card and social security numbers, they are just reporting what apps and hardware is used during the day. Huge difference. Yeah, CIQ didn't do the right thing with the lawsuit, boo hoo life goes on.
You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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That's because by choosing the bank you opt into that, and go in knowing that they can track your money. And for the record they don't know what you bought, just that you spent so much money here and so much money there. The cc from the bank gets an amount taken not an itemization of funds spent per transaction. CIQ was added without knowledge, why can't you grasp the differences?
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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bloodrain954 said:
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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First of all I never said anything about personal info. I don't like how it was forced onto us without control. Second, just because they say (AFTER they were found out about) that their software does do anything with personal data doesn't mean it's true. The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only. Don't believe something especially when the company has their back against the wall trying to fish their way out.
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The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only.
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Iraq war is a great analogy for Carrier IQ....
Reposted with permission:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
OPERATION: Make Our Selves Heard (#OPMOSH)
DISCLAIMER:
We here, in the movement of #OPMOSH do not consider this spam, we do not consider this slandering Moto, we simply use this as a method of having our concerns heard. Motorola Mobility Inc. has been a powerful company that has been around for a very long time, and one we hope to see long in the future as well, before and after the Google buyout.
About this movement:
Motorola Mobility Inc. has become famous for its lies, slanderous ways, and tendency to flat out prove time and time again that it cares not for its customers after they walk out of that store with their Motorola-branded device. Since the early days of Android, post Droid 1, we have sat down and took our locked bootloaders like a man. There came to be a boiling point - and a full-out war was launched on their social media sites. Sound familiar? The same thing that worked with HTC and now with Asus. We received a generic "second half of 2011" timing. Guess what! It's now Q1 2012, and not only have they missed their deadline, but they have IGNORED all bootloader-related questions, given NO official announcement of their plans still being in motion, and thus must have forgotten that we are a core, dedicated community that wishes nothing more than to enjoy the phones we were given. Let's make ourselves heard yet again, turn the heat up, and make Moto (like HTC) get off of their asses and DO SOMETHING. Everyone counts!
Moto's Facebook - Moto's Twitter - Petition - FCC Complaints (Against Verizon)
So....What can I do?
FIRST OFF, SIGN THE PETITION:
This is included in the email, so it is crucial that it continues to grow in number.
Then....
TRY CALLING VERIZON'S EXECUTIVES.
Make sure before calling that you are very informed about the issue and confident in your position, yet can be quite calm. Do not show any disrespect towards Marie H or the person you call. They are merely the (wo)man-in-the-middle, and you simply need to explain to them your position and back it up with facts. Also, do note that all times are EST.
Call Marie H. at (412) 266-7756 on Monday - Fridays, 8 am to 5 pm. OR Michelle at (803) 231-1787 on Monday - Fridays, 7 am to 4 pm. OR Call Verizon customer service at *611 or (800) 922-0204 and get to a rep by mashing 0.
This is something you cannot copy-paste, unfortunately. Here are some guidelines that should help you be successful in your endeavor:
- First off, if you get the voicemail, leave your name, number, and a time you can be contacted in case they wish to follow-up call.
- Mention that many are filing FCC complaints because this violates Block C guidelines. (Do research in case this is brought into question)
- Mention that HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have bootloader-unlockable devices on the network right now; (HTC has their 2011 devices, Moto has the Xoom, and Samsung the Galaxy Nexus)
- Mention that the bootloader being locked does not allow the device to do anything that a laptop that is using a 4G hotspot cannot do even faster/more efficiently, including hogging network resources.
- Mention that the bootloaders being FORCE locked (as in, not unlockable) does not offer protection from any present viruses or attacks of Android devices.
- Mention also that unlocking the bootloaders could very well use a system like HTC uses - which stores the IMEI of the device and voids its software warranty indefinitely, making Verizon's warranty services not liable for what a user installs on their device.
- Close your talk/voicemail by stating the number of signatures on the petition, currently well over 2,500, and saying that this is a widespread concern of many users, that wish Android to be truly open.
- Say thank you before you hang up, it'll really give off a good impression.
TRY AN FCC COMPLAINT:
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5:
- Tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked, preventing the regulatory requirement of BLOCK C Devices (MAKE SURE TO MENTION BLOCK C!!!) that "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire" - make sure to cite that.
- Also helpful would be dispelling the "Reasonable network management" exclusion. Tell the FCC that Verizon allows tethering of unauthorized devices to 4G LTE services through their mobile hotspots and their paid phone tethering functionality as-is, ones that are more bandwidth-hungry and also permit installing custom operating systems, and have a potential of doing significantly more damage, such as laptops.
If you don't want to write yours up manually, we will have a pre-made step 5 that you can just copy paste soon, hopefully.
TRY EMAILING:
TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]rola.com, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
To Whom It May Concern,
The independent communities that you catered to with your announcement earlier last year are very very excited for your bootloader unlock solution. However, the "second half" of 2011 has come and gone quietly; why is it that the public has received no notice that the bootloader unlock solution is still in works? A small-scale petition has made its rounds about the Android community, and has already gained over 2,500 signatures just under 55 hours after being made public: http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Clearly, the demand is indeed still quite strong (as can be seen on your social media networks, Facebook and Twitter), and it would be quite reassuring to the communities that not only pay for your devices every upgrade opportunity, but also help develop the Android operating system that you are using on the aforementioned devices, to have an announcement that the bootloader unlock/relock solution is still on track for a timely release. This would also potentially double as reassurance to on-the-fence Galaxy Nexus/HTC smartphone buyers to go with the Motorola Droid RAZR, with its KEVLAR backing, Verizon 4G LTE speed, powerful 1.2 GHz dual core processor, and new bootloader unlock/relock solution instead. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your response.
Sincerely,
A Motorola Mobility Enthusiast.
TRY TWEETING:
@Motorola - How about those unlocked bootloaders you promised second half of 2011? @HTC cares, do you? http://moto.ly/icsboot
TRY POSTING ON THEIR FACEBOOK WALL:
@Motorola - I'm a faithful Motorola customer, and I'm starting to have second thoughts. Honor what Android stands for, openness, and give us the bootloader unlock tool that you promised "second-half of 2011". http://moto.ly/icsboot #OPMOSH
MAKE SURE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!
It is the backbone of this movement. We need as many signatures as possible.
We NEED to be heard to get anywhere. Spread the word to your Facebook friends, your Twitter friends, your Google Talk friends, your favorite Android news site... Spread the word! Bring freedom to the Android ecosystem, like Andy Rubin and Rich Miner intended.
Thank you SO much for your support. This community is amazing and I know our endeavors will be successful. See you on Moto's Facebook!
In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
Make sure you start a similar one with verizon because i am pretty sure motorola is going to play the blame game as soon as this gains momentum based on the line from the blog post
"where operator and channel partners will allow it. "
I'd like to think this will work if we get it out there enough. It's the customers vs. the company, I can't think of anybody who would want it stay locked except for those people who are like "oh but then it'll just be easier for people to screw up."
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In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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This is a good idea. I like the idea of mass emailing them.
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I'll be doing my part as well. Thanks for starting this thread.
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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I'd even post on the unlocked ones. Many people would help the cause. They could write how much they benefit from their phone with an unlocked bootloader. I even bet a significant number of the larger Android community would assist because we all have the same end game in mind.
This thread is great. I was just thinking yesterday of collecting the various resources to petition Motorola. You made everything very clear and we thank you. SPREAD THE WORD!! and, most importantly, ACT ON IT PEOPLE!!
Now we need a script to auto-tweet, auto-email, and auto-flame Motorola AND Verizon.
I'll help out with this cause any way that I can. I just posted on Moto's Facebook Page.
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i just sent out an email to the addresses that were listed by the OP, lets see how long they can ignore the emails from the customers and ignore the petition. I hope they don't send back a generic email that states that they're "working" on it. If the dx2 is a "closet" device then maybe we can gain at least the key to unlock and we'd be gaining our pudding.
Being a recent HTC convert and former X2 owner, I can say that this could really work. We got our Rezound unlocked. This needs to get out there. You'd be surprised how powerful this can be if enough people here on XDA start making noise. Thanks, OP, for posting this. Good luck!
Can we organize a time to CALL motorola? I think clogging up their phone lines for a couple of hours may be more effective than jamming their inboxes with easily deleted emails. If we could get even 100 people to just call at the same time, we could be HIGHLY effective.
We could all also call the phone number listed in post number 96 of the similar thread in the RAZR forum. I think that if we politely annoy enough people things can get better.
'Bout to hit 1000..
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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antp121 said:
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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I signed the petition.
I posted in the Motorola X2 forums that HTC has already unlocked their bootloaders within the United States, and that the X2 will be my last Motorola phone if they do not go through with their statement they released to unlock the bootloaders.
I sent an email (not nasty, but to-the-point) in the same vein as my post in their forums.
Remember, people. Do NOT be nasty about it: no name calling, no cursing, etc. Just state that you feel they should unlock the bootloader, especially since HTC has done it. I went as far as to suggest they contact HTC to see how they got Verizon and AT&T to allow this. Then, state that you won't be purchasing any more Motorola phones if they do not move forward with this. I was being kinder and stated that we, as customers, deserve an answer from them one way or another (whether they will unlock the phones or not). If they choose not to unlock the phones nor give an answer, the X2 was going to be my last Motorola phone.
It wasn't nasty, it was to the point and it was with tact. That's what we need, not a lot of flaming, etc. That won't get you anywhere and they'll just ignore it and treat it as if it were from some child or teenager, which is what I would do with it as well.
BTW, just read this excellent article on Droid Life. Pretty damning against Motorola if you ask me!
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)
I went ahead and updated my post in the Moto forums to include this article link as well.
BTW, this has to be the 3rd or 4th "article" I've seen today about this. I think it's picking up steam. Now, whether Moto decides to listen and take action is another thing.
Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
Signed petition.hope were heard.
antp121 said:
Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
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I went and called Mrs. Ellen and Mrs. Houtz. They both want to help and are ready to join our cause. Let's make moves people.
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Posted it on a google discussion in another forum. Can we get a list of forums this has been posted on?
I believe that we should have this posted on every phones forum because it's not just for us that it will benefit but it would benefit everyone and for me I wouldn't have to wait on a phone to see if it's dev friendly or just another red headed step child.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
Government doing too much
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http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
Government doing too much
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wikipedia might be going black too, I assume on the same day. They haven't committed yet though.
reddit is as well. Also several companies and some law makers have reversed tehir stance on SOPA. I hope we make more progress!!!!!
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reddit is as well. Also several companies and some law makers have reversed tehir stance on SOPA. I hope we make more progress!!!!!
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If only Facebook and Google would as well.. (well, google is in bed w/ these bastards but wishful thinking eh?)
Facebook and twitter going black would get some attention right ? heh...
Im in. there are a few other places I am a part of that are going dark on the 18th as well.
I find this whole blackout thing to be completely ridiculous.
I'm no fan of SOPA and I ditched GoDaddy on the few domains I own, but I find blackouts like this to be counterproductive.
I'm not fond at all of companies/websites intentionally and purposefully sabotaging their uptime and access. It serves to piss off their visitors like me. Most XDA visitors (and redditors etc.) already know about SOPA. A blackout serves no purpose.
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I find this whole blackout thing to be completely ridiculous.
I'm no fan of SOPA and I ditched GoDaddy on the few domains I own, but I find blackouts like this to be counterproductive.
I'm not fond at all of companies/websites intentionally and purposefully sabotaging their uptime and access. It serves to piss off their visitors like me. Most XDA visitors (and redditors etc.) already know about SOPA. A blackout serves no purpose.
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I feel quite the contrary. I believe it garners attention and action. It helps motivate the un-motivated to get their butts moving to sign the petitions and increase awareness. Grassroots momentum builds quickly.
Just sayin'
Internet pseudo-petitions do nothing. It's akin to 'liking' "I hate cancer!" on Facebook.
fyi.. here is an article that everyone can read.. click on the 2 links that go to google and facebook .. copy/paste the text.
If more ppl contact those 2 sites.. maybe they will listen/respond.
This isn't a petition per se, the point is to get people to personally call in and lodge formal complaints with the specific senators/representatives of your state and get your voices heard.
I believe that would be much more efficient than simply typing your name in a petition.
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This isn't a petition per se, the point is to get people to personally call in and lodge formal complaints with the specific senators/representatives of your state and get your voices heard.
I believe that would be much more efficient than simply typing your name in a petition.
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this.
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