I urge you guys to take a look at the latest evidence against Carrier IQ:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...ponds-to-carrieriq-with-video-proof-20111129/
and how these ****ers log every key pressed on handsets running the service.
Is CarrierIQ installed on Motorola devices? If yes, I'd be interested to know more and forward a complaint to Ofcom (UK telco authority) as based on the above evidence they are, IMHO, in breach of most of the following data protection principles:
- Personal data shall be processed fairly and lawfully.
- Personal data shall be obtained only for one or more specified and lawful purposes, and shall not be further processed in any manner incompatible with that purpose or those purposes.
- Personal data shall be adequate, relevant and not excessive in relation to the purpose or purposes for which they are processed.
- Personal data shall be accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date.
- Personal data processed for any purpose or purposes shall not be kept for longer than is necessary for that purpose or those purposes.
- Personal data shall be processed in accordance with the rights of data subjects under this Act.
- Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data.
- Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the European Economic Area unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.
More info, specific to the UK (sorry guys), can be found here: http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/personal_information/collecting_my_info.aspx
I think Sprint is the only US carrier that uses something similar.
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Most of the articles say Sprint and Verizon, but I'd really like to know if Verizon does and more importantly whether it's on the Razr. I think there are ways of figuring it out, not sure if *I* can though.
Verizon just recently put up the ability to opt out of their web and usage tracking on their accounts. Give customer care a call and ask.
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Verizon just recently put up the ability to opt out of their web and usage tracking on their accounts. Give customer care a call and ask.
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Yep, good point. I had forgotten about that. I did it awhile ago on the vzw website.
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kutster said:
Verizon just recently put up the ability to opt out of their web and usage tracking on their accounts. Give customer care a call and ask.
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Can you post a link to this. I could not find it.
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Can you post a link to this. I could not find it.
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https://email.vzwshop.com/servlet/website/ResponseForm?OSPECC_9_0_9hg_eLnHs_uhmpJLE
Appreciate it.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/android-news-rumors/10232-verizon-no-carrieriq-our-phones.html
I do not show the IQ app or anything similar on the Droid 3 or Razr and have used Titanium to view tasks and apps. VZW stated they do NOT use the app or anything like it.
I purchased the logger app and did not find any CIQ on it - I did disable all logging, in general, and enabled ipv6 privacy.
I am not digging this; it seems AT&T uses it. http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...use-carrier-iq-but-dont-collect-personal-info
My Glide does not even show it running when I look at the active applications.
Verizon lied. ProTekk found about 6 URLs (including the control panel) on CIQ's servers pertaining to VZW phones.
EDIT: And CIQ does not show up as an app, for future reference.
Has anyone with a rooted Razr confirmed whether or not it's there?
Related
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/04/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)
This does not sound very good if true. The Fascinate is only a good phone because of the developers. It sounds like Verizon may already know who we are (as in, those who have rooted) and may have evil intent planned.
I can not go back to Stock on this phone. 2.2 w/ voodoo is the way. 2.1 Stock, please say ain't so! (That is if Verizon doesn't choose to deactivate us first). I don't tether so maybe they are only targeting that crowd...
I think I will not upgrade until a phone comes out that doesn't require rooting or ROMing. May have to put up with some bloat, but the new phones don't need to be overclocked, and the Dual Core's (rooted or not) seem to have virtually no lag. Android provides much custom option even without root.
I really hope the Galaxy SII comes to Verizon. I have my doubts.
I'm straight up leaving any carrier that does this. I refuse to let a random company tell me that I cannot do what I want with a device that I bought, especially given the inherent open nature of Android.
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This is not going to be pretty. Anyone remember Napster? Ticketmaster?
I don't think there is any confirmed source for this that it is actually happening, just that it could happen along with the locked boot loaders to "protect" users.
This sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen...
On Monday, the U.S Copyright Office ruled that jailbreaking an iPhone or other mobile device will no longer violate federal copyright law
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This was one of the headlines circulating last summer, and it is true. You can read more here.
Clicky
And as far as I know it is still legit to this date. So there is nothing any company can really do once the device is paid for. Now I don't know if this pertains to subsidized phones or corporate phones.
I would assume that doing this would be a HUGE violation by verizon and any carrier who participates. It is law that we are able to do what we want with our devices....for now.
Didn't they do this exact thing with the Moto Droid 1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1020494
Sounds like FUD to me. There is very little financial incentive for VZW to do this. Track yes, but do anything about, no.
VZW would quickly find that it's better to sell a unit for whatever reason than to lose a sale to another carrier/phone. (AOSP?)
Look at other embedded devices.
Linksys found it's better to just live with allowing 3rd party firmware than to fight it. They continue to offer a 'full' linux version of the WRT54G routers. Newegg even promotes it as being compatible with DD-WRT.
Since getting my android I don't keep up with media players but as far as I know, no providers are blocking RockBox. This is from 2006 but I still think shows how some companies embrace the value of 3rd party firmware:
"CNET reports that SanDisk is courting open source developers to port Rockbox to its popular MP3 players. SanDisk is currently the world's second most popular MP3 player manufacturer after Apple. Rockbox is an open source OS for most major MP3 players".
Carriers mostly get your money up front (and in your monthly usage bill). Not much financial incentive to stop how you use your phone. Ask yourself this. Why does VZW allow Google Maps if they offer VZ Navigator? Simple they sell more phones by including Google Maps than by 'forcing' you to use VZ Navigator.
Just my 0.02
Yeesh, I payed for the phone, and am paying for the data plan and all those other crappy fees. They better at least let me do what I want with the phone itself.
need to read this. from the guys at blackhat.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
if they shut off our service it will be legal. itll be in contracts. if you dont like them and wont sign them then you wont get service or whatever.
ugh.
what makes me mad is that devs and companies leak roms etc to us on purpose so we can test them better than they could in-house. pretty cheap testing if you ask me. then then fix things and release the offical updates.
just go after the bandwidth and warranty abusers.
I will not purchase another smart phone if this all comes to pass. I left the iPhone because of the draconian control the corporation exerted over *my* device, if Android goes the same way, I'll leave them too. I'd sooner drop back to a no-frills cell phone than to put up with a locked down and bloated to **** smartphone.
hasnt this battle already been won?? i mean with the Geohot situation last July that resulted in "jailbreaking" or modifying any mobile device being made legal? i dont think there is really anything they can do even if they do track us down and see who is rooted . mobile devices are safe im pretty sure . and hell , if Geohot comes through on this ps3 situation , gaming consoles will be too .
i suppose like the article says , they could deny us data ...maybe . but im pretty sure the law that was passed ... making it legal , would deny them the ability to punish us for doing something thats legal ..
i dunno , will be interesting to see how it plays out . if it does happen ... someone , somewhere , will find a way around it .
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This was one of the headlines circulating last summer, and it is true. You can read more here.
Clicky
And as far as I know it is still legit to this date. So there is nothing any company can really do once the device is paid for. Now I don't know if this pertains to subsidized phones or corporate phones.
I would assume that doing this would be a HUGE violation by verizon and any carrier who participates. It is law that we are able to do what we want with our devices....for now.
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iPhone's jailbreaking was never illegal even before the reassuring news press event. This has been covered by many different news.
However, it is the company's decision to go with whatever policy they want. Apple clearly stated that it is your decision to jailbreak your phone, but this will invalidate your warranty.
If Verizon starts cutting off rooted users, I will find a new carrier. They already rip us off with their pricing, but dictating how we use our phones? No way.
It isn't like anything illegal is being done with our phones. I root it to take off the **** that they put on. I rooted it because they won't hand over my 2.2 update. I root it so that I can customize it to my liking. A rooted phone is what Android is supposed to be like, not the crap that Verizon (or even Samsung) feeds us.
gkirby11 said:
This was one of the headlines circulating last summer, and it is true. You can read more here.
Clicky
And as far as I know it is still legit to this date. So there is nothing any company can really do once the device is paid for. Now I don't know if this pertains to subsidized phones or corporate phones.
I would assume that doing this would be a HUGE violation by verizon and any carrier who participates. It is law that we are able to do what we want with our devices....for now.
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yeah just so you know... it never was illegal. they just confirmed what we already knew.
I was in the ios scene for years before I came here, everybody made a big deal out of that bill but it didn't change anything at all really.
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lucas.scott said:
hasnt this battle already been won?? i mean with the Geohot situation last July that resulted in "jailbreaking" or modifying any mobile device being made legal?
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Rooting/jailbreaking being legal wouldn't, in any way, stop carriers from deeming it a violation of the terms of service and denying access to the network.
The issue with Geohot was that Apple was trying to get the act of Jailbreaking considered a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and therefore, illegal. The courts concluded it wasn't, but the carriers can still draft any terms of service they like.
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If Verizon starts cutting off rooted users, I will find a new carrier. They already rip us off with their pricing, but dictating how we use our phones? No way.
It isn't like anything illegal is being done with our phones. I root it to take off the **** that they put on. I rooted it because they won't hand over my 2.2 update. I root it so that I can customize it to my liking. A rooted phone is what Android is supposed to be like, not the crap that Verizon (or even Samsung) feeds us.
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If they do go ahead with this it will be because of the largest data users being the ones most likely to flash a custom kernel that removes data throttling and enables free tethering. If 75% of the people who would be paying for tethering and use the most data aren't paying for the data/services then Verizon would see that as a huge loss of revenue and undue burden on the quality of their network.
Average Joe would view these users the same as P2P torrenting file sharers. Thieves. The term "root" will become synonymous with "bittorrent" even if you don't use it for mischevious practices. Both will be considered bad. You have to realize average Joe doesn't root or even understand it. The number of people who they are targeting is like 3% of Android users but they are probably using 20-30% or better of network resources. Its a win-win for Verizon. They lose relatively few customers and gain back a ton of network resources to sell to average Joe.
Bet your ass if its not already in your Verizon contract that using modified or unauthorized devices on the network being a breech of contract, that it will be added before you renew.
I have no issues with carriers tracking rooted users for the purpose of finding those that are tethering illegally (ie. without the proper data plan). However, if they start shutting off users that have rooted their devices just for the sake of rooting and cleaning them up or improving their functionality, that is over the line and I'm sure carriers such as MetroPCS and Cricket would love to see a nice new crowd of users come their way.
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I have no issues with carriers tracking rooted users for the purpose of finding those that are tethering illegally (ie. without the proper data plan). However, if they start shutting off users that have rooted their devices just for the sake of rooting and cleaning them up or improving their functionality, that is over the line and I'm sure carriers such as MetroPCS and Cricket would love to see a nice new crowd of users come their way.
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The bad part is, Verizon won't miss us. We are tiny. They stand to gain far more than they will lose.
One solution if they are tracking who took their ota update would be to odin to stock, receive update then just odin/flash back to super clean or whatever you use
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I know it's massively off-topic, but I really wanted to share my recent telephone experience with AT&T Wireless "customer service."
First, its important to note that I have two phones on my account: an iPhone 4 and the Samsung Galaxy SII. AT&T knows this and verified it on each one of my calls.
Having in mind that I wanted to harass them about Carrier IQ, I called to "demand" that AT&T stop spying on me. I explained that I work in the health care industry and that CIQ (carrier iq) transmitting that data was not only a violation of my privacy, but also likey a violation of federal HIPPA laws.
For each person I spoke with, I simply explained that I never agreed to share my personal information, and I'm not legally able to share my business information - regardless of AT&T's privacy policy - due to HIPPA laws. I would ask that the CIQ program be removed from my phones or disabled.
First person I spoke with (obviously outsourced call center) asked me to hold and hung up on me after 20 minutes of hold.
So, I called back again, and this person eventually said they'd have to escalate my concerns. She put me on hold for 30 minutes, came back to say she found a supervisor for me to talk to, and then she hung up on me as well.
I called back, this time very annoyed. I asked the person from the outsourced call center to either transfer me immediately to a supervisor, and if she wasn't able to do so without putting me on a hold of more than 1 minute, to transfer me to the department that handles contract cancellations. She put me on hold for 20 minutes and came back with a supervisor (supposedly... the "supervisor" was more clueless than the original rep.) (Note that the rep did EXACTLY what I asked her not to do: put me on hold again.)
Now, I'm going to point out again that I only have two phones: the iphone 4 and the SGS2. This was confirmed, even, by most of the people I talked to.
So, anyway, I asked that "supervisor" to transfer me to the department required to cancel my service. She did, and now I'm talking to a person named "Tim" (I also have his last name, but won't print it here) in their resolutions dept. Tim, and that was probably his real name, didn't sound like he worked for an outsourced call center.
I again asked to have the CIQ software removed or disabled from my device. He said he wasn't able to do that. However, he did inform me that AT&T has adopted a policy that they will NOT waive ETF's due to CIQ concerns.
I asked, then, if he'd waive the ETF based on section 1.2, item 5 of the wireless service agreement (....reasonable cause to believe that equipment is being used for an unlawful purpose.) He said he would not. When I asked if that was AT&T's policy (to knowingly allow a device to be used illegally), he said "I plead the 5th." (I'm not joking - he actually said that.)
That was about the extent of my call with AT&T.
So, what's the punch line?
At no point did any of the people I talked to do anything other than read prepared scripts or responses. It never even occured to any of them to mention that it's trivial for the user disable monitoring software on the iphone with a simple menu selection. No one even came up with the absolutely brilliant suggestion that the SGSII doesn't even have CIQ on it.
The cluelessness of their customer service people, the fact that no one seemed in any way concerned with my issue, the fact that none of them seemed to have even a hint of knowledge beyond their scripts, and their absolute rudeness has, however, had one impact: I no longer wish to be an AT&T customer. Even the $140 I'll have to pay for an ETF is worthwhile (assuming I can't get out of it somehow.)
Take care
Gary
Just FYI, it's the iPhone that you have that has CIQ, not the GSII...You're either complaining about the iPhone or AT&T, neither of which reason this really should be here. Can't say it doesn't suck, but yeah, just a problem of relevance.
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Just FYI, it's the iPhone that you have that has CIQ, not the GSII...You're either complaining about the iPhone or AT&T, neither of which reason this really should be here. Can't say it doesn't suck, but yeah, just a problem of relevance.
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This.
How many times does this need to be said that our phone doesn't currently have it?
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Just FYI, it's the iPhone that you have that has CIQ, not the GSII...
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Really? No kidding? Did you read my post before responding? Perhaps you missed this part:
No one even came up with the absolutely brilliant suggestion that the SGSII doesn't even have CIQ on it
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As far as the iphone (which I only mention as it's the only other phone I have with AT&T and), I also have the following in my post:
...it's trivial for the user disable monitoring software on the iphone with a simple menu selection
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As a matter of fact, you seem to completely have missed the end of the post... Where I state that I'm complaining about AT&T. I thought I was pretty obvious when I described the call in the following terms: "The cluelessness of their customer service people, the fact that no one seemed in any way concerned with my issue, the fact that none of them seemed to have even a hint of knowledge beyond their scripts, and their absolute rudeness "
Do you work for AT&T, yahoowizard?
AT&T are an Orwellian nightmare. I've had calls like this with them. It's infuriating and generally pointless, you'll achieve better results banging your head against a wall. "Ma Bell" was disbanded in the 80's because they became such a gross monopoly. In a generation, they're back to ruling all and showing no signs of slowing down. Now, they have these draconian practices and are notorious for "nickel and diming" consumers.
Even scarier? They installed and maintain monitoring equipment for the CIA. They can and do monitor your calls and traffic. Sounds like nutty conspiracy stuff, right? Read about it. It's all part of "homeland security" and as an engineer, I've seen these installations first-hand.
The free-for-all anarchy days of the net are drawing to a close.
Mark. My. Words.
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Even scarier? They installed and maintain monitoring equipment for the CIA. They can and do monitor your calls and traffic.
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I think it is technically Homeland Security, but that is just nitpicking. The issue of HIPPA seems like it might be a legitimate angle, both from the perspective of the medical professional and the patient. Bringing that to the attention of groups fighting CIQ and the Patriot Act would probably be better than posting them on what is essentially a hacker site.
It does not surprise me that the ATT support center had no idea of what you were talking about. Most people have no idea how their rights and their privacy have been taken away from them.
The problem here is that you are dealing with low-level employees (even the call center supervisor) who had no power to make the initial decision about CarrierIQ, nor have any power to change the decision as to individual customers. Also, the CSR's likely have not received any training on what to do when customers call them about CarrierIQ.
i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
many thanks!
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i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
many thanks!
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the torrenting is what did you in my friend, i had a "test" month this month and manage to scrounge up about 6-7GB with nothing happening but this is all from youtube, google music, and large games downloads (nova 3)...and the deposit, well your suppose to get it back after a year i believe, but if you got terminated before then well....who knows, and lastly you can always just call sprint and ask for an esn check (just say you're buying it on ebay or something)
checkesnfree.com
and trhe phoen should be clean its only when the phone is lost/stolen or in use is it "bad"
Since sprint advertises unlimited data, I thought the only way they could terminate you (per the contract) is if:
1. excessive data roaming
2. tethering and not paying for that
3. being caught doing something illegal
Unless they can show that they terminated with cause (in writing per the contract you agreed to), than you should get your deposit back with no ETF.
moxiot said:
i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
many thanks!
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Since sprint advertises unlimited data, I thought the only way they could terminate you (per the contract) is if:
1. excessive data roaming
2. tethering and not paying for that
3. being caught doing something illegal
Unless they can show that they terminated with cause (in writing per the contract you agreed to), than you should get your deposit back with no ETF.
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you guys answered each others questions,lol
How much data did you use? I'm trying to get them to cancel me without having to pay an etf. I've used about 50 gigs already, but I think the problem with that is I have my phone torrenting while I sleep. I checked Sprint terms of service, they don't consider you an issue if you're not impacting other cusomters use of the service. I don't know how to become an issue through the day since I get crap service at work. (10-15 Kbps. BS)
moxiot, what was your data usage like. Sprint does have a redflag limit and last time I checked it was about 30GB.
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What does torrenting have to do with "being caught doing something illegal"?
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions
Prohibited Network Uses. To ensure the activities of some users do not impair the ability of our customers to have access to reliable services provided at reasonable costs, you may not use our services in a manner that is unlawful, infringes on intellectual property rights, or harms or unduly interferes with the use of Sprint's network or systems. Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation.
Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; (ii) to maintain continuous active network connections to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine-to-machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person; (iii) to disrupt email use by others using automated or manual routines, including, but not limited to "auto-responders" or cancel bots or other similar routines; (iv) to transmit or facilitate any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, telemarketing, promotional materials, "junk mail", unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or fax; (v) for activities adversely affecting the ability of other people or systems to use either Sprint's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including, but not limited to, "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or (vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
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the highlighted text is BS in my opinion, but can be used to justify getting rid of you for any reason. That being said, (depending on where you signed up with sprint) you likely signed a service agreement for a plan and not specifically their Terms and conditions. Torrenting is not officially prohibited, and Sprint does not make clear how much data usage on an unlimited plan is prohibited. You should be able to get your deposit back with no ETF fees, and phones with clear ESN's.
Just another way for Sprint to **** people with their "TRULY UNLIMITED DATA"
And they, and people in here who work for Sprint wonder why people get pissed.
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Just another way for Sprint to **** people with their "TRULY UNLIMITED DATA"
And they, and people in here who work for Sprint wonder why people get pissed.
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Use to work for em, people got pissed cause sprint said somethin about what they were doin, when "the people" knew what they were doing...at least own up to what you do
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How much data did you use? I'm trying to get them to cancel me without having to pay an etf. I've used about 50 gigs already, but I think the problem with that is I have my phone torrenting while I sleep. I checked Sprint terms of service, they don't consider you an issue if you're not impacting other cusomters use of the service. I don't know how to become an issue through the day since I get crap service at work. (10-15 Kbps. BS)
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on average 20 gigs a month, youtube, netflix, and some music. i did download a few torrents the last month so..
all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit, which they said they will. mmmmm galaxy note on tmo coming soon??? yeah, take care sprint...
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on average 20 gigs a month, youtube, netflix, and some music. i did download a few torrents the last month so..
all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit, which they said they will. mmmmm galaxy note on tmo coming soon??? yeah, take care sprint...
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No etf or anything?
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LOL - you are right, torrents typically are not used for legal content. I'm glad to see Sprint scrubbing "questionable' excessive users so that my rate doesn't go up.
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Lokifish Marz said:
moxiot, what was your data usage like. Sprint does have a redflag limit and last time I checked it was about 30GB.
What does torrenting have to do with "being caught doing something illegal"?
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Are you serious? What do you suppose torrent is 99% used for?
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.....all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit,......
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Glad you are OK with being kicked to the curb. So who's your next carrier? Sprint is most lenient. Who do you think will let you use more data than Sprint? Seriously - who? And you know you'll pay more, right?
I question if torrents really had anything to do with it. A while back someone got terminated for using 90 gigs in 3 months. If you used 20+ for months on end, that could easily be the reason. Also, there are a lot of legal torrent uses, so I would hope they wouldn't just terminate everyone that uses one. As an example, Joker uses torrents as an alternate way to download his custom ROMs.
Did they warn you before terminating? It seems like they should have just told you that you are being excessive.
yes they warned me and after that i think i torrented one or 2 things.
I wouldnt be surprised if uploading (seeding) had more to do with it than the downloading.
I wouldn't even be able to be terminated if I tried. My download speeds over EvDo around my house suck. We're talking like 15kb/s max. The only place I get reasonably good speeds is in my dorm room, which is on the 17th story probably a mile (roughly) away from a tower.
Thanks for answering my question, guess I'll just have to persist for a few more months. I don't need a ton of data and I very rarely make phone calls. I'll be switching to T-Mobile's $30 a month plan. When I'm really using data on my phone I'm just messing with RSS, Gmail and a few sub-groups on social sites. My data use was consistently under 1.4 gigs until I got tired of waiting for m feeds and other stuff to load.
My usage may come close to doubling on another network but it will be worth it to actually get data service when I want it. If I need to, I'll jump to T-Mobiles $50 plan. I'm not even greedy, I just want speed that doesn't drop below 400 Kbps very often where I work and in transit to and from it. Most of the Sprint users in my area that I knew said that service was awesome but the phones sucked. I had to find out the hard way that I was speaking to people that didn't know the difference between a software/hardware bottleneck and network bottleneck.
I don't even hate Sprint, but I wish that there was a better method to check average download speed (outside, uninhibited) in an area without jumping onto the service. This goes for any provider.
I wish that there was a better method to check average download speed (outside, uninhibited) in an area without jumping onto the service. This goes for any provider.
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run speedtest off the demo phones from retail sites. Should give you a good idea.
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Are you serious? What do you suppose torrent is 99% used for?
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Actually, yes. It doesn't matter if most torrents are illegal content as the burden of proof lies with the service provider. Therefore the premise of "if he was torrenting that it must have been something illegal" is flawed.
The same flawed thinking also applies to rooting/unlocking. It's the popular mindset of carriers/mainstream news and general pubic that the any reason someone would root their phone is free tethering or some other illegal activity.
Now if the OP was torrenting illegal content then that's his mistake. But at no point did the OP state that he was doing so.
http://support.verizonwireless.com/terms/products/backup_assistant.html
Here are the terms for the program and they will tell you it can not be removed.
Will anyone else like to call Verizon on their bluff with me? They did not say we can not band together and post it to the public about this.
If anyone can help me with uploading the video following the steps to prevent backup assistant from running and how to make a copy of a saved web page on my Acer a100 from where the terms and conditions for all services with Verizon. My email is [email protected]. The video file size is about 467 mb.
First off, if you never run it and set up a username and password it does nothing except run in the background. If you ever set it up, you can never get rid of it without restoring your phone and then NOT setting it up again.
I have frozen it to keep it under control but it still shows up now and then after it defrosts itself.
Just don't use it is my recommendation. Google does much more than VZW does anyway.
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Can it be removed altogether?
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They only told me that I can cancel my service and incur an ETF. I informed them about terms and conditions stating remove the program in a recorded call and even had two Verizon employees stated as not offering removal of the program. Sending the info to the FCC soon as it is open again. Also talked with the attorney general for my state and asked if I could sue for removal of the app and was told yes per the t&c of the app.
I will just pay the file fee to get enough to pay for the rest of my contract services and ask for all phones to have the removal options added to all phones. If anyone else wants to do the same check with the AG of your state first then file in small claims court. The link for Oklahoma is http://www.oklahomacounty.org/courtclerk/SmallClaims.htm
You can file in court if the contract or terms of any service is not met. It puts the company of the terms outside of there agreement to arbitrate for issues.
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They only told me that I can cancel my service and incur an ETF. I informed them about terms and conditions stating remove the program in a recorded call and even had two Verizon employees stated as not offering removal of the program. Sending the info to the FCC soon as it is open again. Also talked with the attorney general for my state and asked if I could sue for removal of the app and was told yes per the t&c of the app.
I will just pay the file fee to get enough to pay for the rest of my contract services and ask for all phones to have the removal options added to all phones. If anyone else wants to do the same check with the AG of your state first then file in small claims court. The link for Oklahoma is [LINK]
You can file in court if the contract or terms of any service is not met. It puts the company of the terms outside of there agreement to arbitrate for issues.
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Can you spell out why it's violating the T&C of the app agreement? I don't want to sound like a complete idiot talking to the MN AG
When I try to turn the hotspot function on through settings, it says "use of this service requires a subscription to Mobile Hotspot or Mobile Broadband Connect..." which I don't have. But when I use Power Toggles to turn on the hotspot function, I am able to connect my computer to my device.
Is there a way that Verizon would figure out that I can use their hotspot function without paying for the monthly subscription?
I've been using it for over two years with out them knowing.
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When I try to turn the hotspot function on through settings, it says "use of this service requires a subscription to Mobile Hotspot or Mobile Broadband Connect..." which I don't have. But when I use Power Toggles to turn on the hotspot function, I am able to connect my computer to my device.
Is there a way that Verizon would figure out that I can use their hotspot function without paying for the monthly subscription?
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The simple answer is Yes. No matter what method you use for enabling tethering on your phone, if Verizon cares to examine the data going in and out of your phone, they can tell if you're tethering.
Will they bother to look? Will they do anything about it? Those are the more relevant questions.
My philosophy is, don't abuse it and they'll probably never look at you. I suspect that somebody, somewhere at Verizon is responsible for running a report every month of their top data users who don't pay for tethering. Then, they go look at those users and bust the ones that they find are tethering without paying for it. My personal goal is just to make sure I'm fare enough down that list that they never get to looking at me.
I can tell you that according to the C block spectrum that Verizon leases for their LTE network, they can not stop, inhibit, or penalize you for tethering your phone while on LTE. It is in the licensing rights of their spectrum. Hence, all the new plans include free wifi tethering. Now, this was not an oversight, because Verizon used to attempt to block tethering apps from the play store to their customers. The FCC just so happened to put a stop to that 2 months prior to Verizon announcing new Share Everthing plans that include tethering. Verizon knows that the people who tether tend to use a lot more data. With more data being used across the whole account, the customer pays more. Verizon only wanted to prevent People from tethering long enough to release the new plans, because they are doing exactly what they intended them to do... Convince people who don't use a lot of data to move to a tiered plan and give them hotspot for free. Saying "Try it. If you find it convenient, you can add a mobile hotspot device to your plan for only $20 more a month and you can connect up to 10 things to it. All while conserving your phones battery life".
Man that is a big assumption .
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I suspect that somebody, somewhere at Verizon is responsible for running a report every month of their top data users who don't pay for tethering. Then, they go look at those users and bust the ones that they find are tethering without paying for it. My personal goal is just to make sure I'm fare enough down that list that they never get to looking at me.
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I can tell you that according to the C block spectrum that Verizon leases for their LTE network, they can not stop, inhibit, or penalize you for tethering your phone while on LTE. It is in the licensing rights of their spectrum. Hence, all the new plans include free wifi tethering. Now, this was not an oversight, because Verizon used to attempt to block tethering apps from the play store to their customers. The FCC just so happened to put a stop to that 2 months prior to Verizon announcing new Share Everthing plans that include tethering. Verizon knows that the people who tether tend to use a lot more data. With more data being used across the whole account, the customer pays more. Verizon only wanted to prevent People from tethering long enough to release the new plans, because they are doing exactly what they intended them to do... Convince people who don't use a lot of data to move to a tiered plan and give them hotspot for free. Saying "Try it. If you find it convenient, you can add a mobile hotspot device to your plan for only $20 more a month and you can connect up to 10 things to it. All while conserving your phones battery life".
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Yes and no. The FCC left the door wide open to Verizon managing tethering by unlimited users. The FCC specifically only took issue with usage based customers being charged. Additionally, the Share Everything plans preceded the Verizon/FCC consent decree by one month.
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ilkevinli said:
Man that is a big assumption .
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Actually, it's exactly what I said it was. A suspicion. Nothing more.
That is a very descriptive "suspicion".
stuartv said:
Actually, it's exactly what I said it was. A suspicion. Nothing more.
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najaboy said:
Yes and no. The FCC left the door wide open to Verizon managing tethering by unlimited users. The FCC specifically only took issue with usage based customers being charged. Additionally, the Share Everything plans preceded the Verizon/FCC consent decree by one month.
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You are wrong my friend, there is no difference from a tiered data user and an unlimited one on C block. And the FCC stepped in 2 months prior to the share everything plans, Verizon finally took action one month prior. They were allowed time to coordinate the stop of blocking those apps.
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You are wrong my friend, there is no difference from a tiered data user and an unlimited one on C block. And the FCC stepped in 2 months prior to the share everything plans, Verizon finally took action one month prior. They were allowed time to coordinate the stop of blocking those apps.
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The FCC actually began their investigation in Oct 2011 and first contacted Verizon in November 2011. The discussion of timing is fairly inconsequential, so let's move on to the meat & potatoes...
The assertion that this also applicable to unlimited plan users is directly contradicted by the plain language of the consent decree published by the FCC, which explicitly states, ”... customers on unlimited usage plans must continue to pay an additional fee to tether their devices.” Additionally, “ nothing herein prejudices Verizon Wireless's right to [...] take remedial actions, including termination of service, against customers who violate the terms and conditions of their service plans or Verizon Wireless's policies applicable to the service provided to such customers.”
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