kinda dissapointed in reading this as I would of really thought they would of released one in Juneish But now pushing that back means ill be holding onto my 3D a little longer i guess....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/06/sprint-lte-phones-to-arrive-in-the-second-half-of-2012/
Originally stated that their LTE rollout should be complete in a sense by end of 2013.....
But i guess they really are not starting the LTE rollout till mid 2012 supposedly so putting the phone out after is best....
I came here to post this.
Let the phone rumors begin
Quad core, amoled screen, 4.5" screen (I'm hoping it's only 4.3, or even 4", but I don't see phones getting any smaller, at least not for a sprint first LTE halo phone).
I'd bank on 'HTC EVO LTE' as the flasgship in July 2012
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I'd bank on 'HTC EVO LTE' as the flasgship in July 2012
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That WOULD of been my guess BUT this guy talks of end qtr3 beg qtr4 as the release date for lte phones. that puts it in the time frame around September....
nice little piece of info.
like you, looks like i will be holding on to my phone for a little longer than i had expected. who knows, maybe i will just simply hold on to it. by then, there will probably be an ICS release for the 3D. the hardware is all there to do it.
EDIT** And I will plan on getting whatever phone my favorite dev’s are getting. lawlz
I wonder if HTC will provide the flagship phone for LTE too.
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I wonder if HTC will provide the flagship phone for LTE too.
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more than likely they will. HTC has been on top of phones lately less your getting a Nexus device....
I'm flabbergasted that people assumed they would have LTE in a mere 6 months. 120 million covered in 2012 yes, but by January, March, June? The first tower ruining on the 800 mhz frequency that LTE will use just went up today. Just one tower. Lol. So with that news you can imagine how unrealistic it is to get an LTE network up an running that covers anywhere close to 120 million people. I don't think I will be buying an LTE right when it comes out, because I can already see based on where they have the best service, and where they are doing the network upgrades first is not based on logic eg: highest population, highest population density, because they are upgrading in very small markets. Despite being the 6th largest and densest city in the country we still have no Wimax.
Thankfully LTE and LTE advanced are backwards and forward compatible so we won't need new devices when that comes, but I'm guessing I won't have the network to use an LTE device on, where I live until mid 2013. If you live in a big market apparently you are screwed.
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I'm flabbergasted that people assumed they would have LTE in a mere 6 months. 120 million covered in 2012 yes, but by January, March, June? The first tower ruining on the 800 mhz frequency that LTE will use just went up today. Just one tower. Lol. So with that news you can imagine how unrealistic it is to get an LTE network up an running that covers anywhere close to 120 million people. I don't think I will be buying an LTE right when it comes out, because I can already see based on where they have the best service, and where they are doing the network upgrades first is not based on logic eg: highest population, highest population density, because they are upgrading in very small markets. Despite being the 6th largest and densest city in the country we still have no Wimax.
Thankfully LTE and LTE advanced are backwards and forward compatible so we won't need new devices when that comes, but I'm guessing I won't have the network to use an LTE device on, where I live until mid 2013. If you live in a big market apparently you are screwed.
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Sorry you might wanna go back and read up on the allocation and how they are doing it. LTE is first going on its 1900MHz. 800MHz spectrum isn't going to be allocated to LTE till after IDEN is completely shut down which wont be till after 2013.
And this is totally without the lightsquared rollout too.
If the iPhone 5 is an LTE device as expected, Sprint will suffer if their LTE network is not substantially built by the time the phone is released.
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If the iPhone 5 is an LTE device as expected, Sprint will suffer if their LTE network is not substantially built by the time the phone is released.
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no they wont.
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Sorry you might wanna go back and read up on the allocation and how they are doing it. LTE is first going on its 1900MHz. 800MHz spectrum isn't going to be allocated to LTE till after IDEN is completely shut down which wont be till after 2013.
And this is totally without the lightsquared rollout too.
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I only partially misspoke, as I made it sound like the 800mhz frequency would be used for LTE as the primary frequency. It's actually like what you said 1900mhz is the frequency that is primary, and 800mhz will be used to aid in building penetration, and also to increase coverage for both voice, 3g data, AND 4g data. The idea is that they are going to make their network topologies combined and seamless instead of the current rats nest that it is.
However I think you need to go read about it. They are going to be using 800mhz immediately, but it wont be utilized to its full potential until the iDEN PTT network traffic is moved to the CDMA PTT network. LTE will use 800 and 1900mhz in 2012 though before iDEN is shut down, just not to its full potential.
As for the lightsquared deal...don't hold your breath. It is still likely to not be approved by the government. They are worried it will interfere with other services, like GPS. Then we have clearwire who is trying to get LTE started. Sprint will only use clearwire for LTE if they get the funding, the fcc approval, the network rolled out to very specific markets to augment the network. So you just may see in january that this 4g rollout is going to end up just like wimax did.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/12/06/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-in-second-half-o/
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2125
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/111367.html
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I only partially misspoke, as I made it sound like the 800mhz frequency would be used for LTE as the primary frequency. It's actually like what you said 1900mhz is the frequency that is primary, and 800mhz will be used to aid in building penetration, and also to increase coverage for both voice, 3g data, AND 4g data. The idea is that they are going to make their network topologies combined and seamless instead of the current rats nest that it is.
However I think you need to go read about it. They are going to be using 800mhz immediately, but it wont be utilized to its full potential until the iDEN PTT network traffic is moved to the CDMA PTT network. LTE will use 800 and 1900mhz in 2012 though before iDEN is shut down, just not to its full potential.
As for the lightsquared deal...don't hold your breath. It is still likely to not be approved by the government. They are worried it will interfere with other services, like GPS. Then we have clearwire who is trying to get LTE started. Sprint will only use clearwire for LTE if they get the funding, the fcc approval, the network rolled out to very specific markets to augment the network. So you just may see in january that this 4g rollout is going to end up just like wimax did.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/12/06/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-in-second-half-o/
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2125
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/111367.html
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Trust me ive read prolly more than most on this. least the avg person on here. 800MHz will be used but not for LTE to start out with. no lte on 800MHz till 2013 and it will be lte advanced on there.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-launch-lte-1900-mhz-spectrum-mid-2012/2011-10-07
Sprint also just gave Clearwire money for their funding so all is okay there now in the meantime. http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/01/sprint-bails-out-clearwire-with-1-6b-deal/
As far as lightsquare is concerned they will get approval, no worries. the issue isn't their fault and is manufacturers not heeding the FCC advice long ago about the change coming. they now have partnered up with another company who is fixing the defective gps devices for people in need now also.
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Trust me ive read prolly more than most on this. least the avg person on here. 800MHz will be used but not for LTE to start out with. no lte on 800MHz till 2013 and it will be lte advanced on there.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-launch-lte-1900-mhz-spectrum-mid-2012/2011-10-07
Sprint also just gave Clearwire money for their funding so all is okay there now in the meantime. http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/01/sprint-bails-out-clearwire-with-1-6b-deal/
As far as lightsquare is concerned they will get approval, no worries. the issue isn't their fault and is manufacturers not heeding the FCC advice long ago about the change coming. they now have partnered up with another company who is fixing the defective gps devices for people in need now also.
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That's good, hope your optimism is right. Sprint desperately needs such a huge network upgrade, they will go down in flames if the roll out doesn't pan out...
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That's good, hope your optimism is right. Sprint desperately needs such a huge network upgrade, they will go down in flames if the roll out doesn't pan out...
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na if it doesn't go as planned they still have their edge as unlimited and cheapest provider out there. Now as you have said if verizon offered the same stuff sprint does at same prices i might jump there given the speed increase. One thing that puts me off is verizon is a little more controlling than sprint as you can see with their latest phone where the world one is unlocked while their verizon one is locked up tight....
price and locked up phones r only draw back with them imho...
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na if it doesn't go as planned they still have their edge as unlimited and cheapest provider out there. Now as you have said if verizon offered the same stuff sprint does at same prices i might jump there given the speed increase. One thing that puts me off is verizon is a little more controlling than sprint as you can see with their latest phone where the world one is unlocked while their verizon one is locked up tight....
price and locked up phones r only draw back with them imho...
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I can't comment on anything but there 3G and 4g, its the only market I know much about. While they may have a competitive edge network their 3G and 4g is definitely not. If it isn't fixed soon it won't make a difference what else they can offer because it wouldn't take much of a customer loss to sink their whole business. From what I read they have next to know capital of their own. The only reason this network upgrade is able to take place is because they were injected with investment capital. I think you would see a bankruptcy in some form, whether it be chapter 7, or 11, don't know.
In conclusion, I'm trying to say that sprint is bad enough off to go out of business. They already would have but venture capitalists have provided them with the funds to improve their service to keep customers, and create a competitive enough product to start attracting more customers that want service like Verizon but would appreciate the lower pricing.
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I can't comment on anything but there 3G and 4g, its the only market I know much about. While they may have a competitive edge network their 3G and 4g is definitely not. If it isn't fixed soon it won't make a difference what else they can offer because it wouldn't take much of a customer loss to sink their whole business. From what I read they have next to know capital of their own. The only reason this network upgrade is able to take place is because they were injected with investment capital. I think you would see a bankruptcy in some form, whether it be chapter 7, or 11, don't know.
In conclusion, I'm trying to say that sprint is bad enough off to go out of business. They already would have but venture capitalists have provided them with the funds to improve their service to keep customers, and create a competitive enough product to start attracting more customers that want service like Verizon but would appreciate the lower pricing.
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Not gonna see em go outa business. too big. they are on the track to right the ship $ wise and getting through the network rollout is a big part of it as it lets them eliminate a ton of towers they currently pay for. there are many more ways to get funds than from a venture capitalist and theyve done it int he past. if need be they will sell some more notes and do it again.
so here it is...LOL... thanks for the heads up... I willl delete that other thread...thanks
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so here it is...LOL... thanks for the heads up... I willl delete that other thread...thanks
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Ha yeah no worries bud. Lol
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na if it doesn't go as planned they still have their edge as unlimited and cheapest provider out there. Now as you have said if verizon offered the same stuff sprint does at same prices i might jump there given the speed increase. One thing that puts me off is verizon is a little more controlling than sprint as you can see with their latest phone where the world one is unlocked while their verizon one is locked up tight....
price and locked up phones r only draw back with them imho...
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You are TOO optimistic. The unlimited data isnt an edge and neither is the fact that they're the cheapest. They've had both of those "edges" since VZW and AT&T went to tiered data and they both still take Sprint's customers. When are folks going to realize that for the most part people don't care about unlimited data or the cheapest network as much as they do about the BEST network? THAT is why Verizon is still kicking Sprint to sleep and still gaining customers every quarter while Sprint still loses every quarter.. only exception being pre-paid. I think VZW picked up something like 1.4 million customers just off the Iphone 4S. And if it's like that now even with them being tiered and more expensive, imagine what's going to happen when.. and yes I said when.. Sprint goes tiered.
You can be cheaper all you want, but if you don't have a better product it's not going to convince people to buy it. And I can guarantee you with these current data speeds they will post another post paid subscriber loss next quarter. What's really going to be ugly is when all of those folks that bought the first Evo reach the end of their 2 year agreement if the network is still in the shape that it's in now. Sprint better get on the ball, asap.
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Well as many EVO users know there is a distinct possibility (probability) that Sprint will be getting out of the WiMax game at some point in the next couple of years and joining the LTE bandwagon. Of course, it's a simple switch to make on their end as it only requires a firmware update, however on the phone's end it is not quite that simple.
Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 3D having a dual mode chip? I would like to hang on to this next phone for a while and I'm hoping we won't be saddled with only 2.5 ghz spectrum wimax (the spectrum is also something I'm curious about with the former nextel bands' uncertain future).
Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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That's a very blunt way of phrasing the question but I'll do my best:
WiMax in and of itself is not necessarily "bad", but to sum it up, Clearwire (who Sprint has partnered with in its 4G endeavors) is pretty well tanking, and I believe that LTE is the superior standard if you base it solely on tech specs. Add to this the fact that LTE has become the de-facto standard via its adoption by ATT & VZW.
Other complicating factors are the fact that Sprint's 2.5 Ghz spectrum has well-known issues with building penetration, the fact that the 800Mhz former nextel spectrum would be a good candidate for rolling out LTE and having better service, the fact that LTE (supposedly) lends itself better to carrier control (ie not in favor of net neutrality) and probably some others, and the fact that sprint has itself said it is investigating the possibility of going LTE, it doesnt even really matter if WiMax is "bad" because it's probably going to happen one way or another.
Wimax 2 might hold promise but I honestly am already over my head here and I'm saying I don't want to be stuck with a phone that overtly clashes with Sprint's 4G vision of the future.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Just to clarify, I believe Wimax actually isn't the problem, if it were deployed on a lower spectrum it would have comparable signal penetration.
IF sprint switches to lte (hope not) then it won't be soon enough to worry about with the evo 3d, you will undoubtably upgrade your phone in that time, unless you can withhold the temptation to buy quadcore superphones next year
Project leapfrog is in the works for sprint. Meaning, they're coonverting to LTE by 2013. Which, in theory, means the Evo 3D will NOT have LTE capabilities because it'll be most likely another year or two before you start seeing LTE on Sprints network.
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Wimax is more efficient than LTE, it's the spectrum they are using that is hurting them. I doubt it will be but the Evo was the first 4G phone out so it would make sense. Even if it's unused when the phone is released.
The Evo is ready for Wimax2 (real 4G) and I don't think the standard hasn't even been finalized yet.
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint was already testing lte in phoenix . They also dont need to aquire any new frequency as they are getting rid of the iden - nextel really soon and will probably use that as wimax or lte if they choose it . Iden was in the 700 mhz range and will give a much better coverage
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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Sprint doesn't have anything in the 700MHz area last I checked. They didn't win the auction when it was held.
sprint has 806 MHz to 824 MHz and 851 MHz to 869 MHz bands. http://www.accedian.com/blog/news/sprint-vacated-iden-spectrum/
"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost." -per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Regardless of what they own you are right in that Spring/Clearwire cant just wake up and decide to deploy WiMax on a lower Freq that they own b/c at this point in time its flat out not provisioned for it. However I have no clue as to how hard/easy it would be to get such a provision so anything is possible.
The thing with LTE is its provisioned across all freq bands defined for UMTS, which typically consist of 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz. per http://www.pixaware.com/LTE and WiMAX Comparison-TejasBhandare.pdf
I personally speculate that they will go the dual route b/c WiMax has its advantages over LTE in its own areas.
I understand that but I know that clear does what sprint says since they own more than 50% . Sprint will do something with the band width that nextel was using and it looks like the test in phoenix was good. I would not think they would go dual but its only software its easy to go from wimax to lte and so forth but I think it would send the wrong message if they did it . Should be interesting whatever they do . But I bet they use the nextel bandwidth to implement lte
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
I was saying that lte was better than wimax . They tested it in phoenix and got over 70 mbps . But some say wimax 2 is coming and such . It is never ending just like fios and cable . It will always be a search for speed . But right now you can google sprint and lte test in phoenix . may be the way they are going
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Yea but by the time they roll that out, they will probably be working on upgrades to lte. It will be a never ending battle. Someone is always gonna have the upper hand for half a year.
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Wrong
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/4g-lte.jsp
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._accelerated_plans_for_4g_lte_deployment.html
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Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint isn't doing anything. They don't have a 4g network. They lease it from clear (they are majority owners).
i agree with what others have said, the problem with clear's wimax network is the 2.5Ghz spectrum it runs on.
Wimax is open source, it's theoretically cheaper to build than LTE, but i haven't heard of clear expanding the coverage fast as verizon and tmobile.
Here's to all of you The EVO 3D might have compatability woe Wimax R2 or the 802e/m which will destroy LTE in speed and No Sprint will not switch over its to much money
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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I have LTE, yea and it is as flaky if not more or less than wimax, trust me I was just browsing the 3d forums to see when it will be released or so and the rumors.
AT home I get constant dropouts in LTE, hell I cant even get a constant signal, and walk 100 meters out in the open and I get great LTE coverage. While I have a laptop with built in wimax module and I got free thirty days and I get a constant connection and great coverage. I have never lost connection.
LTE is faster but seriously after 3mb down it all becomes pointless unless you are using your phone for home internet and need a lot of traffic, for a phone a connection at 2-3mb constant is plenty fast.
My wimax module gets me 3-5mb consistently at my house, I have never seen it go below.
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Why? If you have an upgrade now use it. It will be some time before it will be operational and have phones for it.
Considering how "fast" wimax deployment was, you could get the 3D without much risk, IMO.
If they just signed the delivery expect it to be a while before the conversion even starts and the even longer before they start hitting anything but very large markets
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My city is always one of the first to get new networks. Austin, TX. We have Dell, IBM, Intel, Google, and AMD all with large offices here, I assume that's why.
But yeah I think I should be good waiting and getting the Evo 3D
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I knew wimax was a stupid move, no surprise.
Thank God, screw verizon
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And they picked the LTE service that has huge problems with GPS interference, how awesome!!
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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You're speculating that it will have better building penetration, because we don't know what frequency band it will be initially launched on.
Right now, Sprint has access to the 2.5ghz band, where WiMax sits. If sprint uses it for an initial launch, building penetration won't be any better then with WiMax.
You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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I'm pretty sure in the deal Sprint is providing the network. That's the main thing that's in it for Lightsquared.
I like Wimax. LTE will just be a bonus. Wimax does a great job as is.
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I too like Wimax, but I think LTE has greater long term potential. I am glad that Sprint is investing in LTE.
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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I dont have time right now to search for ya but jump into the Evo4G general forum and search clearwire and read up a lot there.
LTE is NOT better than WiMax and vice versa. Its all about the network and how the tech is deployed to us. You put LTE on the same towers as WiMax is right now and same freq, then you will end up with the exact same problems we all have right now with WiMax.
That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
its all about tower placement and freq and combination of the two.
Since your new, you should search around and read up on Sprints Project Leapfrog(Network Vision Upgrade) that is underway and will be better for Sprint and all of us.
Upgrade every year.. no worries. LTE wont hit the market in the next few months.. i dont expect to see it in the next 6 months. The E3D will do you just fine till a LTE phone is avail, and by then, your going to want to get the next best phone out anyways.
enjoy the phone or whatever phone you choose to go with.
Here is a good article about Wimax and LTE:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/060710-tech-argument-lte-wimax.html
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That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
Edit: I've just taken a peek at the tentative agenda, and the actual june meeting, and it wasn't there. July 12th the next meeting.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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Bwahahahahaha!! You right, but you're speculating that we're speculating that you're speculating that we're speculating on what Sprint's speculating!
It seems no one really knows what's going on ... That includes Sprint! Did I just speculate again?
Ahah, found something definitive. According to this article I just found it seems they are indeed planning to switch to LTE. So now I just wonder what the benefits of LTE over WiMAX are? Bit for bit WiMAX is more efficient so it's not that.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/fcc-consider-proposal-could-boost-clearwire-network-speeds/2011-05-23
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
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Yeah, I found it completely odd that no blog or anyone else mentioned anything about the stuff after the date came and went with nothing big announced at all so I ended up emailing the FCC Press Secretary, Office of the Chairman Neil Derek Grace. He looked into the specific agenda item which i found odd to be on the pre-prelim agenda and then when the next prelim agenda for that meeting was released it was not on there at all and no notice of its removal b/c it wasn't the actual prelim agenda right before the mtg.
Here is what I wrote him:
According to the tentative agenda http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0519/DOC-306766A1.pdf the June 9th meeting was supposed to go over the following:
"Wider Channel Bandwidths FNPRM: An FNPRM seeking comment on a proposal which may permit operators to use spectrum more efficiently by enabling the use of wider channel bandwidths for the provision of broadband services in the Broadband Radio Service (BRS) and the Educational Broadband Service (EBS)."
Is there a reason this was dropped from the agenda suddenly and when will this issue get addressed?
Best Regards,
Jase S.
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Here are the two quotes from Neil in regards to the issue.
"Hi Jase - this was voted on between the preminary notice and the meeting, which is why it wasn't on the final agenda. "
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"Hi Jase –
Yes, this is routine. If an item is voted on before the meeting, it’s removed from the agenda because it no longer needs to be considered. It was voted & adopted on 5/24 and released on 5/27. If you want to look at the docket for results – it’s item 11-81.
Thanks - Neil"
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Now I looked for that through the FCC site through their search but couldn't find it b/c the results were nothing near what I wanted it seemed. In the end I figured he was right as it took him a few days to get me an official answer on it. His first response was for me to hang while he looked into it.
Though if you find anything different to conflict with that let me know and ill be sure to shoot the guy back and see whats up.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
That is great news. Thanks for posting.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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This means absolutely nothing.( i guess not absolutely nothing but its not the end all solution)
Just b/c they likely get LTE doesn't make it better at all than WiMax.
Those uneducated in the matter should take some time to read up some around here and the web and you'll learn that the reason WiMax in its current state with Sprint/Clearwire is the way it is b/c of a few things, one being the power the units use to get signal(hence wimax modems get better signal b/c they not running on battery like us) and the freq WiMax is placed on.
If they were to take LTE and swap out WiMax on the same freq we would all have the same issues as we do today, end of story.
We really need to understand that its not LTE vs WiMax its more about how the tech is implemented and such. VZ gets better coverage b/c its LTE is sitting on 700MHz channels so the building penetration is much better than the freq sprint/clear use 2.5GHz.
4G will get 10x better in the future once sprints network upgrade is rolled out and they have time to improve it. many options for them wether it be dual LTE/WiMax, or straight WiMax but using wider channel bandwidth and lower frequency. whatever it is it will get better, BUT it wont be just b/c its LTE or WiMax, itll be because of how its implemented.
also its been reported that this deal was done awhile ago. Sprint just reported earnings so its in there too now is all.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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LMAO!!! IF they are going to offer LTE on 5hz stepping its not going to be any better than WiMax... I am waiting for Clearwires 20hz step LTE ... now thats speed to be excited about!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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already started phasing out iDen btw. part of sprint vision network upgrades. new devices will use the new cdma version and i think nextel subs have till like 2013 or maybe later to move over. think first few phones to support it are due out later this year.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong, (which I thought I was)
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I thought they were gonna use lightsquareds spectrum which is better then what Wimax uses 1500s
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares 4g lte network if they want in the future...
Obviously yall didnt read much when it says CLEARLY its for capacity, and MAYBE future use if needed... smh, you guys think were gonna get off scott free straight to LTE, not a chance... the design goes like this... Agreement between LS and sprint for LS to deploy 4g LTE over "sprint spectrum" with 3g roaming.... Sprint gains access to 4g lte for capacity and possible future deployment if needed with satellite spectrum buying access, if LS decides to sell Lband spectrum. this gives sprint cash (8 bill) and the agreement is like 15 years.... this about sums up that article.
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares spectrum if they want in the future...(guess that last part is if lightsquare can get their gps issues fixed on their spectrum)
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Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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I'm pretty sure Sprint is phasing out Nextel. I work IT for our city and our Public Safety officers all use Nextel phones. Over the past 6 months or so, call quality on these phones has gone to complete ****. We are slowly moving our users over to Sprint phones. Most don't use the Direct Connect feature, but a couple have complained about losing it.
My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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I wouldn't worry about it until your next upgrade is due...
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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Article states roll out in 2014. I don't think WiMax will go anywhere in the meantime.
I just got mine today and so far im very happy. The pentile display isn't at all noticeable (and im pretty nit picky). The rep did say that it appears that they've improved the screen on newer stock. I timed my purchase so that if the epic 4g touch (galaxy s 2) comes out next month as is expected then i should still be in the 30 day return policy.
On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
I'm not 100% on a simple software upgrade but after LTE is put up wimax will still be around for a year or 2 after the fact so we won't be obsolete for that time frame...
If you are close to upgrading now, you shouldn't wait it will be awhile before they start releasing phones for LTE,
I work for sprint and we have got newsletters that Dan Hesse will announce our 4g lte plans in october.
Lightsquare is the company sprint signed the deal with
And more than that it will be a while before there is a wide LTE deployment anywhere but a major city. LTE isn't going to be a serious factor for most sprint customers for two years at least.
(I live in a city with one million people in the metro area and we still don't have WiMAX... I'm not holding my breath for 4g service anytime soon.)
One thing to keep in mind, is that Sprint could very well continue to make use of WiMAX alongside of LTE technology. WiMAX is PURELY for data, whereas LTE is used for both. There is no reason why LTE has to necessarily replace WiMAX.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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But from what I have read and have been corrected in another thread the LTE will be on 3 different spectrum's not just one like Verizon. There is some website that shows the hardware differences and stuff and in there is info on how they will implement LTE.
Snippet from http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837
Currently, Sprint/Nextel/Clear has three different protocols on three different spectrum bands distibuted on 82,000 towers. By comparison, Verizon and AT&T have about 40,000 towers each. Network Vision will reduce the number of towers to around 45,000 to 50,000 towers, while setting up the remaining towers to handle all three spectrum bands (800 MHz, 1.9 GHz, and 2.5 GHz) and any protocol (CDMA, Wimax, LTE, etc). This will provide Sprint with substantial savings in maintenance costs.
No WiMax yet
In Omaha we don't even have WiMax yet, does this mean we never will and the Photon will never be more than a 3G phone?
I'm a.happy e3d owner but knowing that the photon is a world phone with gsm radios on top of cdma I have a question..now that you guys have an unlocked bootloader (congratulations) do you think its possible that the photon will be able to run on t mobile or at&t LTE bands or at least hspa+ That would be pretty sick knowing that Wimax on sprint is.pretty useless at least for me...
I'm a Sprint Product Launch Ambassador for the Photon 4G and a corporate Sprint Technician.
The Network is upgradable, but the phones are not. Choose to upgrade today and I'll bet you a fiver you'll be up for upgrade again by the time LTE is actually flipped on.
The Network Vision equipment is so modular, that multiple technologies can be run in one single Base Station. Easy to upgrade, switch out, and plenty of slots to run LTE + Wimax concurrently.
I highly doubt our network engineers are going to get a mandate that states shut down Wimax on X day, and leave all users out in the cold with those devices. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It will be just like the current migration of Iden, those who choose to move over to CDMA on their next upgrade can do so, those who choose not to (that NEED PTT as a requirement) will have the option to use the new Direct Connect Network when they are ready to upgrade phones later...as it's easier to just drop the Iden line of Phones and carry the next gen CDMA Nextel line in it's place for upgraders to choose from. Something that will give us a 2 year buffer for those clinging to the PTT service as a must before it's shut down completely...but by then, no one will have not had the opportunity during an upgrade to choose CDMA totally or the new CDMA PTT services.
So, that means those cities that don't already have WiMax will still get it on schedule in spite of the move to LTE?
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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You really shouldn't let 4g be the deciding factor. I have 4g where I live and I don't even use it once a month. 4g is a battery hog. Besides even if it wasn't and you were putting 4g to good use on Verizon your bill would be through the roof.
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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I can count on my thumb how many times I have switched on 4G on my Photon the last two weeks.
While not Evo 3D related, sprint is moving forward with their Network Vision plan. Everyone has to start somewhere.
http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/12/f...int-marks-major-network-vision-milestone.html
I hope this means good things for me. I'm about an hour drive north of where they started with lte
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this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
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Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
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Yeah, hope they keep their promise of every customer having LTE by 2013. Haha
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this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
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bwahahahahahaahahaha
This is why I'm waiting until long after my renewal upgrade is available (march) to re-sign. I'd be an idiot to waste my upgrade on a phone that can't take advantage of the coming upgraded tech. I'm hoping my 3D is only going to be needed for 6mths or so.
The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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That would be awesome.
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That would be awesome.
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Too bad it's totally false. It's either going to be a WiMax device or an LTE device (for 4G phones.)
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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I'm with you on that one, Slim. I switched to Sprint 18 months ago (EVO 4G) on the promise of 4G. Now, my bustling college town 100 miles from DC STILL doesn't have Wimax, 3G is STILL a joke here and there's no way I can reasonably expect LTE to be implemented here for at least another year or so. Oh yeah, and voice coverage is so bad that walking inside a one-story brick building, my office, routinely causes dropped calls.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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LOL, right?
I manage to live in this pocket of the bay area that technology has forgot. I don't get it. There's almost literally money falling out of trees here (or, off of vines, I suppose ) but the technology is SO far behind in every way.
Next time I move I will be paying a LOT more attention to the technology aspect of where I am going. I won't be holding my breath expecting to get LTE here by 2013, and probably no where near then.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
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IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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Well if Sprint didn't support it till then they would piss a lot of people off, just saying,
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As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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Noiro said:
As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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not likely. VP said 3rd qtr last time he spoke. few months wont make much diff anyway. I just hope that "phone" hes talking about isn't the iPhone5 with LTE as i refuse to get that.
I just dont want to deal with HTC releasing another WiMax super phone in juneish and then doing a LTE phone the following year. Unless that WiMax phone has the new qualcomm chips that have LTE modem built into the die! That will be my next phone whenever it comes period.