Given my (extremely) rural location and my lack of funds, I was somewhat forced into purchasing a view instead of a flyer. Best buy wasn't planning an immediate restock. Amazon was extremely overpriced. Oddly enough, a "32 gig 3g refurbished flyer" became available and fell into my price range. Given that it came with all the extras I needed such as the scribe, I jumped on the opportunity. However, the seller immediately emailed me notifying me it was the view. I accepted.
To make a long story short. I don't, nor will I ever have a sprint line. I am only using it for wifi.
Would it be possible to port roms from the flyer over to the view and it work, with all things considered?
It is hard to say how easy it will be to port it.
One problem I think that your going to have is that there isn't an overwhelming support for the flyer to begin with, and I think it was the more popular HTC tab.
With that said, if you managed to get a good price on the view, I would probably just roll with it, if it has nearly the quality of the flyer.
joebob2385 said:
Given my (extremely) rural location and my lack of funds, I was somewhat forced into purchasing a view instead of a flyer. Best buy wasn't planning an immediate restock. Amazon was extremely overpriced. Oddly enough, a "32 gig 3g refurbished flyer" became available and fell into my price range. Given that it came with all the extras I needed such as the scribe, I jumped on the opportunity. However, the seller immediately emailed me notifying me it was the view. I accepted.
To make a long story short. I don't, nor will I ever have a sprint line. I am only using it for wifi.
Would it be possible to port roms from the flyer over to the view and it work, with all things considered?
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Possible, probably yes...but practical no. It wold require far more effort than it's worth. I'm my opinon it would be better to wait for honeycomb and ask for the features you're looking for from Contradude or others if they apprear. Porting ROM features is a much more achievable goal than porting entire ROMs.
I already own the view.
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Possible, probably yes...but practical no. It wold require far more effort than it's worth. I'm my opinon it would be better to wait for honeycomb and ask for the features you're looking for from Contradude or others if they apprear. Porting ROM features is a much more achievable goal than porting entire ROMs.
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Actually globatron, you are the very person I wanted to talk to. You have roms based off the official releases. In the thread with over 30 pages of replies, you mentioned that a view specific version was soon to come.
I'm all but desperate for honeycomb. I don't have a wireless network at home. I have no use for the net features. However, I really need that extra pen functionality that honeycomb offers. That and the ability to use honeycomb apps.
The features I need ported over is honeycomb itself.
Both Contradude and myself are trying all avenues to get our hands on a HC leak for the view, however this is proving extremely difficult. We know an official release is close but everyone we have spoken to is too afraid for their job to leak it. I would not ask anyone to take that risk but I do not think anything sane coule be ported any quicker than it would take to wait for the official release.
I definitely appreciate the effort and all the information. I wouldn't ask anyone to sacrifice their jobs either. I'm just sad to be left in the dark.
I may be forced to do some experimenting on my own until something does surface.
Again, thank you for the help thus far.
whatever you do, don't load a flyer hboot.
it's awesome to hear there is HC hope for us few View users out there, can't wait to be able to use the all the cool art apps out there like sketchbook with the pen!
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it's awesome to hear there is HC hope for us few View users out there, can't wait to be able to use the all the cool art apps out there like sketchbook with the pen!
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. I really could care less about aosp on this device. My only source of internet is on my fascinate which won't even tether to my view. I can side load anything I really need. I honestly just want to see my view reach its true potential. I can't afford something like a cintiq. I'm trying to work my way up to that point. How can I accomplish that if my digitizer only works sometimes? How can i even access PhotoShop touch or sketchbook pro?
Hurry up and wait... That's the name of the game.
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Both Contradude and myself are trying all avenues to get our hands on a HC leak for the view, however this is proving extremely difficult. We know an official release is close but everyone we have spoken to is too afraid for their job to leak it. I would not ask anyone to take that risk but I do not think anything sane coule be ported any quicker than it would take to wait for the official release.
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So you have confirmation that HC is coming? I'm hearing so many mixed messages on this that I'm getting uneasy and thinking that my recent purchase was likely a mistake. Thanks!
See other thread.
Android is suppose to be the Linux of the phone world... Considering, it technically is. Why all the run-around? Why is it so hard to get things going for the software? I'm getting tired of all the drama between proprietary hardware, carrier retardation, and false promises of releases that never happen. At least when they are suppose to.
Look at the galaxy nexus. After a decade with Verizon, I am ready to abandon ship due to their back-stabbing business practices, and non-existent marketing strategy. I love android and hope it is prosperous for years to come, but the hoops that everyone has to jump through is getting ridiculous.
Flyer Roms on View
Like the OP, I grabbed a brand new View Cheap. I have no need for the 3G / 4G. I will always be wifi only.
I was under the impression, the View WAS the flyer with a 4G radio... I had assumed that flashing a Flyer rom would work, but 4G wouldn't work because Flyer roms are missing those features. (I'm 100% fine with that)
Can anyone answer the following:
Will flashing a Flyer Rom brick the device? Hard or Soft Brick?
Has anyone tried flashing a Flyer rom on the View? Does it work?
Is the hardware actually different beyond the Radio?
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Will flashing a Flyer Rom brick the device?
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Yes
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Hard or Soft Brick?
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Assuming (of course it has to be for custom roms) S-OFF it would be a soft brick
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Has anyone tried flashing a Flyer rom on the View? Does it work?
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Take my word for it there is no point in trying it will not bot as it is.
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Not really, but there are hboot, partition, address space, boot offsets and a few other things that are different. It's simply not feasible without a HC compatible view hboot.
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Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
BlueGoldAce said:
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
Irishman42 said:
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
Nonetheless, I do hope you read this and can appreciate my point of view.
Some background.. My first Android phone was the heroc, and since I bought it eons after initial release, it was already rooted and several alternative ROMs were available, including a still maturing CM 6.x. My second Android phone was the Evo 4G, again bought some time after its release, and root and CM were already available and improving day by day. In both cases, we had phones with relatively easy to defeat bootloader protection.
HTC learned from this. They knew that a system as vulnerable as that was a fairly easy target for those that wanted to do harm. Their engineering choices for the next series of devices was pretty much set in stone: They had to protect their phones from exploitation. Hence we see the shift to eMMC and other technologies to do just that.
How did the masses respond? Well, they didn't give a crap. It was just a miniscule subset of buyers of the new Evo 3D that started *****ing and whining because they couldn't easily bypass their enhanced protection.
After a rather ugly spat of "unlock or we walk" campaigning on their Facebook wall, they promised to unlock the bootloader. A promise I am confident they will keep, if on their terms.
So that we don't lose perspective here, understand that this was a response to a VERY SMALL (albeit vocal) fraction of people that have already purchased or will eventually purchase the phone.
To rephrase: The vast majority of people that buy this phone will never even consider running anything besides what HTC officially releases as an OTA update. It won't even occur to them to do otherwise.
The current stock ROM is not perfect by any means. But then again, when has it ever been that an initial release has been perfect?
Over the course of the next few months, HTC will hopefully work out the majority of the issues (and I am confident that they will, at least from the perspective of the regular user) and, quite frankly, that SHOULD be their focus.
Cue the whining facebook posters, threatening to return their device if HTC does not make unlocking the bootloader their top priority. Hate to break it to you, but they won't, and shouldn't, do that.
You know what? I really hope you return your phones if you don't get what you want. I hope you pout and stomp your feet in the process and bahave like some self-entitled jackass as well. This isn't just about you. It's about the entire customer base, and most of them just hope you will shut the **** up. To be honest, I am one of them.
When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
They have a lot of bugs to fix. Some of them are quite annoying. Some of them (re: temproot) are flat out dangerous.
As much as I love and support the people putting countless hours into the root process (and I am actually wondering who gets there first, HTC or the devs) given what I have seen in the dev threads, I am leaning more and more towards waiting to see what HTC comes up with, then proceeding from there. They might not admit it, but I bet the devs are secretly doing the same.
Chill out, good things are coming
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
Holy Wall of text not bothering to read that mess... But +1. To whatever point your trying to make
3D > iClone
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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Jeremiah239 said:
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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OK good I thought I was loosing it lol.
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I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
CyWhitfield said:
When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
Chill out, good things are coming
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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My statement stands prior to the minorities bombarding their walls now. They've responded and have given an ETA. Anyone that wants to try to push them into releasing quicker, they should just understand it's the best option for now until Sprint releases the SGSII (which probably wont even be until next year.) So just stick with it and hang in there.
I will say I'd prefer it sooner but I think their ETA was made to be the latest date they could prolong the issue.
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Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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As we use it its not. That it can be done means there is an exploit that might be used for more nefarious purposes. Read the posts on it, they have reported it to HTC as such.
Overstew said:
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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you also completely missed the point.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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the exploit that gives us temp root is dangerous enough that those that discovered it have reported it to HTC.
Ranger093 said:
I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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Not really, but if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, who am I to shatter that belief.
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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Its not misleading. the exploit is dangerous and will likely be fixed soon.
You assume they are giving us S-Off, which in the vernacular of what the 3vo is just doesnt make sense anyway. This isnt as simple as that.
They are probably going to make it so we can write to /system. I do not envision a scenario where we get the equivalent of S-Off, but I also dont see where they have to. this isnt the 4g.
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I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Its not that I think they wont get it done, but hammering them about it is getting old. I think they got our message long ago. Its going to happen. I dont see how hammering them relentlessly will get it done any faster.
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Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
<lots of useless nonsense/>
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Just saw this update across Facebook from HTC:
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info. http://on.fb.me/iZXgkR
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
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So I think basically that means they ARE making it a top priority, and it makes your rant irrelevant.
I'm getting my fiance one or the other for christmas, but I would like to know if there is actually the development support for the view as the flyer. Is it worth getting the view over the flyer for the price or am I going to pay for it in the long run due to lack of support? The reason I ask it is doesn't seem like there is much support for the view under the development section and I would like to know I have community support in anything I buy. I see we have root on both devices but there doesn't seem like near as many roms and such on the view as the flyer, which I understand because the view is just a sprint product. Where the flyer is sold globally. More or less I'm just looking for advice on which is the better buy, as I know for sure that she does want the flyer/view for the pen functionality and form factor of the flyer/view. Thanks for the help.
Flyer. If development is a big issue for you(as it is for most people on here), then that's your pick. And an added bonus is that the flyer will have a better resale value because it is gsm
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Cool, that's mainly what I needed to know.
There isn't exactly an abundance of support for the flyer as far as I am aware.
Oh, so I guess it's not going to matter either way? I've seen a few custom roms for the flyer, but only one for the view. The biggest thing I'm concerned about is that she wants to "try" honeycomb(assuming it does actually show up), but she didn't really like it in the store on the other tabs(A100, Tranformer, etc.). So I really just want to make sure if I allow her to accept the OTA that I can get it back to stock GB if necessary. I assume that I could just root and recover back to GB if necessary? Same as I can take my TB back to stock if I wanted, or do you think I am mistaken on this?
Flyer. We don't know what the rollback options will be on the view (if any) after an OTA update to HC.
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Flyer. We don't know what the rollback options will be on the view (if any) after an OTA update to HC.
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This will be the kicker then. And since you're a Dev. then I'm not even going to bother with trying to deal with the view. Plus you have already wrote the rollback guide for me if that needed to happen. Thanks again for responses.
Well, I just purchased the flyer, thanks for the comments.
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Oh, so I guess it's not going to matter either way? I've seen a few custom roms for the flyer, but only one for the view. The biggest thing I'm concerned about is that she wants to "try" honeycomb(assuming it does actually show up), but she didn't really like it in the store on the other tabs(A100, Tranformer, etc.). So I really just want to make sure if I allow her to accept the OTA that I can get it back to stock GB if necessary. I assume that I could just root and recover back to GB if necessary? Same as I can take my TB back to stock if I wanted, or do you think I am mistaken on this?
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Can you please give me a link for that Custom ROM for view?
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Well, I just purchased the flyer, thanks for the comments.
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how did you manage to get one if you don't mind me asking?
Ebay. That's the only place I could find them. I originally took her to best buy, and she tried the A100, the Flyer, the Gtab, Nook, and Kindle. She originally wanted a kindle, but after playing with it she didn't like how it felt, and it had to be a 7 in or close to it, so since BB still had the Flyer up on display she played with it and loved it, so I was looking to get her what she wanted.
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Can you please give me a link for that Custom ROM for view?
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I could have been wrong, it was a quick glance though the first 3 pages in the Dev section. If you looked though the Dev section and there isn't one there then it was a mistake on my part.
The thread in question was written by Contradude and the ROM name is ClerverNameHere.
Seems the View is the better option if you can get for the same price or less, since the View has 16gb more internal storage and no white sides (OK, that is picky).
I have the Flyer and have ordered the View for $235.
Either model IMO is the best option for 7" tablets, none the less.
Two more questions, has anybody used the mhl adapter? Does it do hdmi mirroring? Or is it more of a media output like the dnla adapter? And, has anyone used a keyboard/mouse with it? I assume this will only be possible with the hc update, but I would still like to know for curiosity sake.
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The View is a beautiful device. The best looking 7" tablet available.
The problem is that the support for it is terrible, in terms of roms, and Honeycomb probably won't happen. That's fine with me though since it is an excellent and strong device, as is.
I got the View also bc its on sale and the 32gb of memory.
mhl will mirror on gb, hc, dont know
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mhl will mirror on gb, hc, dont know
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Mirroring works on HC and DLNA works great on HC, for the Flyer
I just received my "like new" flyer from amazon. Everything looks great except that the volume rocker is very loose, jiggly, and noisy. Is this normal?
As some of you may have came across one of my what to do threads ( coming from sprint to Verizon threads ) I was debating between the GNEX and the Rezound. My fiance went with the Razr.
From reading more and more I went with the GNEX, but after looking into the GNEX more and more its seems like a bad move. I went thru amazon wireless so I have 30 days to return the phone if I dont like it. I'll get the GNEX a run and see where she is at. If shes no good, I'll get the rezound. I went with the GNEX because I love AOSP, and dislike Sense.
But my main concern is no S-Off and that can make it or break it for a lot of things. My main thing is if I ever get a brick, it makes it that much harder to recover if at all amongst other things. I can adapt to flashing kernels a certain way no problem.
Long story short, there are a few S-off rezounds out there and even someone selling one now. If we can get that and reverse engineer it, then we have s-off right? Will it ever come?
I'm totally over it now. I've just gotten used to the limitations of S-ON, and it doesn't bother me one bit anymore. I can still do everything I need to do..
IMO it's about as likely as us getting aosp at this point. not alot of interest as i think most of the devs and users are comfortable with what we currently have. not saying we will "never" get s-off but as of now it doesn't look likely.
if this really concerns you, your best bet is to get the gnexus. i have heard miui may almost be ready so we could use the RIL from that for cm9 but we only have one dev working on cm9 and it seems to be more of a part time project from what i understand.
I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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alot of those devs went to the gneuxs too. the only sort of complaint i have is no aosp options. everything is sense based which is fine for some but it never hurts to have some choice.
Yeah, it's not looking good for s-off.
The good news is that we still have several ROMs and kernels to play with anyway. Enjoy!
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I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
mroneeyedboh said:
And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
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Well, i am not denying that, but yeah, the buggy phone still is the premiere device (even though our salesman was adamant that we DO NOT buy it, because of the bugs).
No s-off for us we might get lucky in the future but I wouldn't depend on it
Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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That was probably HTC's intention all along. Less chances of bricking and replacements.
No, Nein, ii eh zen zen, Nyet .
If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
If the rezound had s-off and launched with ICS It would of been alot more popular, especially for the devs.
true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
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true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
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The rezound spec wise blows the gnexus away. Yes we have "good devs" but most of them are only interested in sense. As of now there is no aosp options. The devs who are "fluent" with cracking hboots "soff" are all on the gnexus.
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If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
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Give? Kind of an understatement.
It takes a ton of work to "try" to break into a device to gain S-OFF... It's not an easy task and many times takes many people trying different tactics over a long period of time (like months) to accomplish if they are even successful then.
yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
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yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
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De-sensed ROMs will get very (VERY) close to AOSP
(like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507670
And the Rezound is a better phone in my opinion.
After having several Samsungs, I couldn't go back.
Here were some of my inhibitions to getting the GNEX (and why I didn't get it -- independent of being a lover of HTC phones and build quality)
1) No data and voice at the same time unless you're on 4g. I use 3g all of the time to save battery (I use it VERy extensively for work and need constant - but not always super high bandwidth - internet)
2) Weaker/poor antennas (way lower reception than Rezound, way weaker GPS antenna - although it probably does stay awake when the screen is off on GNEX)
3) Did I mention that it's a Samsung?
The only things that I WISH I had from the GNEX are NFC (to use Google Wallet - that **** is the FUTURE) and maybe the massive display (which has the bottom portion if it wasted with virtual buttons anyway - so it's not as 'big' as it says it is).
I also, however, am a Sense lover. So much so that if I go on AOSP ROMs on my phones (like Eris and Incredible and others), I wind up going to Sense after several days or weeks. I can't stand how POORLY refind AOSP is, how LESS smooth it is (yes, I said it.... Choppier and LESS smooth than sense, despite the file sizes), and I miss all of the Sense Apps.
The Sense dialer is unparalleled. Some 3rd party apps come close but.... nothing is Sense.
Swiping screens feels much more natural on Sense than ANY other launcher, save the iOS devices. I remember having an Incredible next to a Droid X (rooted/overclocked droid X) and laughing at how CHOPPY swiping screens and moving the app drawer was with the X versus how SMOOTH it was with the Incredible. iPhone users laugh at how un-smooth AOSP is.
The GNEX is a lot faster than other AOSP phones and is quite a bit smoother. So I give it that. But It's a Samsung. I can't go back to that dark place.
Is all ICE and JB deployment stopped for the Flyer?
None of the roms works correctly and none is updated recently!
Whats up with that? Should i just make my flyer stock and sell it or is there still hope for it?
depends on what you're looking for out of the flyer. I personally jumped ship for the nexus 7 and couldn't be happier, although I do miss pen input a lot. everyone has just had classes start so if they are in high school or college that can also cause a slow down. the flyer isn't dead yet!
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the flyer isn't dead yet!
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I really hope so. And no i do not use the pen at all.
The only reason i bought the Flyer wash because it was cheap. 1000Kr ($175) about 1½ year ago. Today it's installed in to my car dashbord.
I would love nothing more than to buy the Nexus series. For the sole reason of quick updates. But only Nexus and Nexus S phones is sold in Denmark.
Honestly Ira the same reason i bought it, i live in Sweden though.
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Looks dead to me
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yea does not look promising anymore ; Dexter away on other devices and out of options, Chaos never really return after vacations - asked for remote acces PC wich he never decide to use after set up,... so more or less game ower as far as software goes. Try to find optimum out of what we have; i use GB and works awsome for me.
As for Lee - will see -maybee but prolly not.
Stock gingerbread is the way to go no doubt.
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Stock gingerbread is the way to go no doubt.
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Okay, I'm considering "downgrading" to this.
Do you think it's a lot faster?
What rom is recomended?
Can you get rid of the horrible default set shortcuts in the bottom of the homescreen?
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yea does not look promising anymore ; Dexter away on other devices and out of options
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If Dexter isn't working actively anymore on the device, than sadly agree that development is pretty much dead. Hate to say such things, since if any devs are working on this device, its probably a bit of a discouragement for them to see threads talking about development being dead. But its really not looking good. Its sad to go into Development day after day, week after week, and see nothing updated or new.
Such a beautiful piece of hardware that too at dirt cheap rates and alas! no further development on this.
Long back I had an optimus one (600 mh) and sold it about a year back. It's such a small piece of hardware compared to our heavenly HTC flyer, but development on this phone is going on amazing well. It's having unofficial cm 10 as well.
Chaosz was going so well.
I wish and hope as this device will further be sold at even more reduced prices, even used ones, some interested developers might still pick up this device and.contine the development.
But for the time being it seems certainly dead.
There is still hope that Chaos and Dexter will collaborate and maybe combine the best of their ROMs, so that we could get a better JB for the Flyer, they only need some free time. So, until they are gone from this section - the development is not dead yet.
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Okay, I'm considering "downgrading" to this.
Do you think it's a lot faster?
What rom is recomended?
Can you get rid of the horrible default set shortcuts in the bottom of the homescreen?
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Your experiance dealing with Flyer will be lot faster. With proper luncher ull have same feeling like on ICS/JB (holo launcher - highlly recomended).
As for rom prolly best would be FlyHIGH.
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Okay, I'm considering "downgrading" to this.
Do you think it's a lot faster?
What rom is recomended?
Can you get rid of the horrible default set shortcuts in the bottom of the homescreen?
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Its probably the one of fastest out there for our device. I recommend stock htc with sense. You can change those shortcuts to what you prefer. I say give it a chance for a day.
You know, these devs create ROMs for free.
Dexter is still working on JellyBean and has a version 1.7 out that's really good and works as a daily driver. Perhaps we should organise some money to say thank you?
I know a bunch got burnt donating to DG for nothing to appear, but if a rom has already been released, can't hurt to contribute to the developer to keep going.
thanks to Dexter
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You know, these devs create ROMs for free.
Dexter is still working on JellyBean and has a version 1.7 out that's really good and works as a daily driver. Perhaps we should organise some money to say thank you?
I know a bunch got burnt donating to DG for nothing to appear, but if a rom has already been released, can't hurt to contribute to the developer to keep going.
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i wholeheartedly agree. Dexter continues to look out for us despite having a GNote2. And really because of him the flyer isnt dead yet. and for the longest time he was doing it without a donate button. i noticed that just recently he had a donate button. i suggest that those who appreciate his efforts throw some beer money his way [or whatever his choice of libation may be:laugh:]
Dexter working very hard now. I'm believe that he make perfect ROM for us.
I wanna donate to him, but i haven't money for it now. :C