I'm getting my fiance one or the other for christmas, but I would like to know if there is actually the development support for the view as the flyer. Is it worth getting the view over the flyer for the price or am I going to pay for it in the long run due to lack of support? The reason I ask it is doesn't seem like there is much support for the view under the development section and I would like to know I have community support in anything I buy. I see we have root on both devices but there doesn't seem like near as many roms and such on the view as the flyer, which I understand because the view is just a sprint product. Where the flyer is sold globally. More or less I'm just looking for advice on which is the better buy, as I know for sure that she does want the flyer/view for the pen functionality and form factor of the flyer/view. Thanks for the help.
Flyer. If development is a big issue for you(as it is for most people on here), then that's your pick. And an added bonus is that the flyer will have a better resale value because it is gsm
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Cool, that's mainly what I needed to know.
There isn't exactly an abundance of support for the flyer as far as I am aware.
Oh, so I guess it's not going to matter either way? I've seen a few custom roms for the flyer, but only one for the view. The biggest thing I'm concerned about is that she wants to "try" honeycomb(assuming it does actually show up), but she didn't really like it in the store on the other tabs(A100, Tranformer, etc.). So I really just want to make sure if I allow her to accept the OTA that I can get it back to stock GB if necessary. I assume that I could just root and recover back to GB if necessary? Same as I can take my TB back to stock if I wanted, or do you think I am mistaken on this?
Flyer. We don't know what the rollback options will be on the view (if any) after an OTA update to HC.
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Flyer. We don't know what the rollback options will be on the view (if any) after an OTA update to HC.
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This will be the kicker then. And since you're a Dev. then I'm not even going to bother with trying to deal with the view. Plus you have already wrote the rollback guide for me if that needed to happen. Thanks again for responses.
Well, I just purchased the flyer, thanks for the comments.
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Oh, so I guess it's not going to matter either way? I've seen a few custom roms for the flyer, but only one for the view. The biggest thing I'm concerned about is that she wants to "try" honeycomb(assuming it does actually show up), but she didn't really like it in the store on the other tabs(A100, Tranformer, etc.). So I really just want to make sure if I allow her to accept the OTA that I can get it back to stock GB if necessary. I assume that I could just root and recover back to GB if necessary? Same as I can take my TB back to stock if I wanted, or do you think I am mistaken on this?
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Can you please give me a link for that Custom ROM for view?
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Well, I just purchased the flyer, thanks for the comments.
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how did you manage to get one if you don't mind me asking?
Ebay. That's the only place I could find them. I originally took her to best buy, and she tried the A100, the Flyer, the Gtab, Nook, and Kindle. She originally wanted a kindle, but after playing with it she didn't like how it felt, and it had to be a 7 in or close to it, so since BB still had the Flyer up on display she played with it and loved it, so I was looking to get her what she wanted.
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Can you please give me a link for that Custom ROM for view?
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I could have been wrong, it was a quick glance though the first 3 pages in the Dev section. If you looked though the Dev section and there isn't one there then it was a mistake on my part.
The thread in question was written by Contradude and the ROM name is ClerverNameHere.
Seems the View is the better option if you can get for the same price or less, since the View has 16gb more internal storage and no white sides (OK, that is picky).
I have the Flyer and have ordered the View for $235.
Either model IMO is the best option for 7" tablets, none the less.
Two more questions, has anybody used the mhl adapter? Does it do hdmi mirroring? Or is it more of a media output like the dnla adapter? And, has anyone used a keyboard/mouse with it? I assume this will only be possible with the hc update, but I would still like to know for curiosity sake.
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The View is a beautiful device. The best looking 7" tablet available.
The problem is that the support for it is terrible, in terms of roms, and Honeycomb probably won't happen. That's fine with me though since it is an excellent and strong device, as is.
I got the View also bc its on sale and the 32gb of memory.
mhl will mirror on gb, hc, dont know
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mhl will mirror on gb, hc, dont know
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Mirroring works on HC and DLNA works great on HC, for the Flyer
I just received my "like new" flyer from amazon. Everything looks great except that the volume rocker is very loose, jiggly, and noisy. Is this normal?
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
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He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
So this site lists the View for $399, but when you hit Buy Now, the price comes up as $299 plus $20 for shipping (credit to SlickDeals for the tip).
I just paid $255 for a WiFi Flyer. I have no desire to activate this thing on Sprint, so essentially, this would serve as a WiFi Flyer, too. However, it's black (which I like better than the silver), and it's got double the memory. It looks like the View gets hardly any support from devs, though. Is it worth the extra $65 bucks to pick this up?
Mainly, will the leaked Honeycomb updates work on the View?
EDIT: Down to $275 plus shipping now. I couldn't resist.
What site?
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What site?
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Wow...knew I forgot something.
http://reaganwireless.com/htc-evo-view-tablet.php
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3577174
So you bought the View from Reagan for $275 - I am very curious to see a) if you get it and b) if it is sealed brand new
Yeah, I am, too. One guy said he picked 2 up directly and they were as described and able to be activated on Sprint.
I'm really hoping that the official Honeycomb update comes out soon. If it doesn't, I'll probably resell the View. Not sure I want a tablet without support from the community behind it.
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So you bought the View from Reagan for $275 - I am very curious to see a) if you get it and b) if it is sealed brand new
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Looks like you have to use PayPal to purchase it, so at least you are covered by their guarantee.
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Looks like you have to use PayPal to purchase it, so at least you are covered by their guarantee.
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That's the reason I went ahead and purchased. It shouldn't be too hard to dispute it with PayPal should that become necessary.
Having had a few HC 3.2 tablets - Acer, Archos - I prefer the speed and stability of HTC's Gingerbread with Sense. If HTC does bring out HC for Flyer/View - all well and good, but not a big deal to me - I love the Flyer the way it is.
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Having had a few HC 3.2 tablets - Acer, Archos - I prefer the speed and stability of HTC's Gingerbread with Sense. If HTC does bring out HC for Flyer/View - all well and good, but not a big deal to me - I love the Flyer the way it is.
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Well, really, the reason I want support is because I'd like to see ICS on it at some point.
Plus, the expanded pen capabilities of Honeycomb seem sweet, since that is one of the primary features of this particular tablet.
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Well, really, the reason I want support is because I'd like to see ICS on it at some point.
Plus, the expanded pen capabilities of Honeycomb seem sweet, since that is one of the primary features of this particular tablet.
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Ok gotcha - let us know when you get your HTC Evo from Reagan and let us know how it went.
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Ok gotcha - let us know when you get your HTC Evo from Reagan and let us know how it went.
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Will do. I got a shipping notification already. I'm traveling for the next few weeks, though, so I won't actually be able to check it out until next month.
Went ahead and purchased one from this site since the flyers are literally unavailable locally. Purchased monday and paid for 2 day ups. Just got it 5 minutes ago BNIB. Was sketchy on ordering but since paypal was used I wasn't worried about getting my money back. The site and price (as long it lasts) is legit.
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Went ahead and purchased one from this site since the flyers are literally unavailable locally. Purchased monday and paid for 2 day ups. Just got it 5 minutes ago BNIB. Was sketchy on ordering but since paypal was used I was worried about getting my money back. The site and price (as long it lasts) is legit.
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Sweet. Good to know. That's what a couple of other reports have said, too, so I don't really expect to find any issues when I get mine. It was delivered today, so now all that remains is for me to get back into town and open it up.
LOL ouch on the unsupported side of things. Let's just say im waiting since something is dropping really soon that would make a gingerbread kernel a waste of my time. I may compile one but it will be more practice than anything else.
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LOL ouch on the unsupported side of things. Let's just say im waiting since something is dropping really soon that would make a gingerbread kernel a waste of my time. I may compile one but it will be more practice than anything else.
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Sounds like you know something I don't. If this thing gets Honeycomb, then I'm definitely keeping it. I can deal with a rooted system on a stock ROM, but I didn't really want to be stuck with Gingerbread for the life of the thing.
In my defense, I didn't see your ROM until after I found this deal. I'll probably try your ROM out, and if you develop something for HC, I'll definitely try that out, too.
199.99 new line activation thru a third party sprint store. Sprint data is good where I'm at and like u said double the memory. All together pen+tab =270.00= me geekin out til my girl leaves me LOL. 20.00/mo for 1gig data...not the best but certainly the lowest option out on the market as far I've seen. I have only used 62 kb and sure its gonna stay there for a while. Plenty of WiFi.
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199.99 new line activation thru a third party sprint store. Sprint data is good where I'm at and like u said double the memory. All together pen+tab =270.00= me geekin out til my girl leaves me LOL. 20.00/mo for 1gig data...not the best but certainly the lowest option out on the market as far I've seen. I have only used 62 kb and sure its gonna stay there for a while. Plenty of WiFi.
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Not bad. No way I'll be signing a contract with Sprint again (at least for a few years), but if it works for you, then great!
It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
While I do agree you should take a stand against a company, threatening to return something isn't the way to go about it. I think there is more formal methods but I'm not saying you're wrong, just wanting true proper justification for the act.
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It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
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I think you missed the Nook Color and how much fun it was. BN lied outright to me before I bought this device. Most people bought the nook color because they could make it "their own". That will never be possible with a locked bootloader. The NT has great specs, but so does the Droid Bionic and there is 2 developers on it in over 3 months. The kernel sucks so the roms can't improve things much.
I'm just disappointed. I was looking for a dual core, 7-inch tablet that didn't suck. When this came out I thought that it's perfect. I'll just load ICS onto it and it'll be a steal for $259! I guess B&N really ****ed me over this time.
Quite simply: I wouldn't return mine, but then again, I'm not a rebel non-conformist like some people are. I research a device and make sure it fits my needs and is to my liking before I buy it. I'm pretty happy with my little NT.
I don't know where you're getting you "rebel non-conformist" accusation from. Some of us just like the idea of buying cheap hardware and putting a tablet-centric operating system on it. What's wrong with that?
Granted, I should have looked it up sooner and figured out that the bootloader was locked. But that's my fault.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, sounds great. But there's a saying, I believe it goes: 'You get what you pay for.' ;p I was mostly referring to the bro trying to throw around money to convince people to crack the bootloader or whatever that entails.
The only thing missing that would be supplied by a custom ROM like CM7 is copy/paste, but I suppose I can live without it for now.
I was considering returning the tablet but I've decided to keep it. For my money, it's the best device of it's kind out there and at this point I've tried quite a few. The only reason I was considering returning it is because of the fear that B&N might push out an update that will block the ability to sideload apps. I haven't been successful in my attempts to root the NT yet (still working on it) but now I'm determined to root it, if only to try and block automatic updates. If it wasn't for those updates, I'd happily remain unrooted forever. The ability to sideload apps is more than enough for me and that ability turns a really good tablet into a truly fantastic one.
If B&N closes the loophole, I will still be able to use the NT to read books and comics and watch movies and that will be great. But right now I can do so much more and it would be a shame to lose that ability. And so I continue my attempts to root and then block OTA updates. So far no success, but I'm gonna keep at it. I will do whatever I can do to help the NT remain as fantastic as it has been so far.
I wouldn't return mine. I knew going in the bootloader was locked. Sure, I'd love it if it wasn't, but I'm satisfied with sideloading and rooting. My NT is now pretty much perfect for my needs, and I consider it a steal for the price.
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience. I even quit buying Kindle books and started buying nook books to support B and N further.
My main reason for supporting them however is that I don't want the last book store I can visit to go under. If that means no CM then so be it.
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I had read about the locked bootloader before buying. I did wait until it was rooted and google market was available. I was watching the rooting thread as it was happening and bought it the next morning.
Pretty happy with my current NT setup right now, with all the apps I had when I had the NC. Only difference is that everything runs so much faster and smoother.
The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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You do realize its able to be blocked by a hosts file? We just need the URLs for it
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Keeping or not keeping the Nook Tablet is a personal choice for each person. There are arguments on each side and having people fighting over them in a thread is just asking for the flaming and stuff to start here to like it is on the rezound forums lol.
I respect a person's choice to keep their tablet, and they should respect my decision to return it if the bootloader isn't unlocked.
As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
Drewmungus said:
As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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Considering this isn't the dev section (notice the "Nook Tablet General") section at the top this is EXACTLY the correct spot to complain. If you don't want to see upset people who were lied to complain then don't read the thread that is obviously (from the name "Why would you return the nook tablet") going to contain EXACTLY what you want to avoid.
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tamasrepus said:
If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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bogatyr said:
What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience.
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Of course you're satisfied. You have a new toy, and right now you're either enjoying features you haven't had before, or are enjoying features you /have/ had before, but on a faster device or new screen size.
Being satisfied now does not equal being satisfied later though. Eventually you will wish you could upgrade your OS without having to buy new hardware, but that may not be possible.
More importantly though, sending the message to OEMs that we accept the restrictions they impose buy buying locked down devices only motivates them to do it again with future devices.
I'm voting with my wallet.
Thing is, if the bootloader was unlocked, I'd buy instantly, and most likely use the device stock for quite a while before installing any ROMs. That would at least allow a chance for me to try out the B&N book store service. By not buying, no chance. Hopefully they consider this and provide a solution.
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The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
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zaptoons said:
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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I thought it was discovered that rooting the device gave you access to this?
I tried out the Kindle Fire, even rooted it, but just wasn't happy with it. Then just a couple days ago I received a BlackBerry Playbook. My dissatisfaction with both of them stems from the fact I seem to be trying to turn them into a full fledged Android Tablet, with only minimal success.
So I'm looking at the Flyer/View 4g. I found a used like new Flyer on Amazon for $299, and a new in box View 4g on Ebay for $315. Though I don't need the data, I think $16 for double the internal memory is very much worth it, and the View 4g will "match" my HTC Thunderbolt in looks better. What I need to know is, will everything, root and ROMs, that works on the Flyer also work on the View 4g?
I'm fairly tech savvy, I rooted both my Incredible and my Thunderbolt (the Thunderbolt twice, as the screen came loose on the first one) and have both running CM7. I'm not sure I want to put a custom ROM on the tablet, but being an AOSP fan, I might see something I dislike about it and want to change it.
Can someone help me out with this?
More development for flyer
So there are ROMs and kernels that work on the Flyer but not the View?
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So there are ROMs and kernels that work on the Flyer but not the View?
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Exactly. while the View and the Flyer look the same and share a lot of the same internals, the View is a CDMA/Wimax tablet, and the Flyer is either WiFi only or GSM capable. Take into account that the Flyer is offered in multiple countries around the world and the View is only on Sprint in the US.
With the Flyer being more widely available, there are more devs out there for it than the View.
I've had the view since launch and it's rooted with a custom rom, but i've only seen two View roms total with one completely defunct while the other is waiting on the HC release to come out (which I hear is imminent). Now that con said, in the US i've never been without at least 3G and I travel a lot. 4G is unlimited and good where I live. You can probably get a view from Sprint with contract for $250 and get them to gift you the scribe for free. Just ask.
Oh and the otterbox just came out for both.
Right now there's no honeycomb for view
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Well, the contract with Sprint is a non-issue. I have fast WiFi at home, and if I desperately need a connection while I'm out, I can tether to my Thunderbolt. It's not worth it to me to shell out an additional $240 (plus taxes and government fees) a year for data on it. It's most likely to spend it's time at home by the couch, unless I know I'll have need of it. My Kindle Keyboard, on the other hand, goes everywhere with me. I'm an avid reader.
As far as cases goes, I've got the pen and this case on the way: http://www.amazon.com/Flyer-Multi-A...KQB6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1322843576&sr=8-8
I don't tend to be hard on my electronics, I've been using my Thunderbolt with nothing but a screen protector and the clamshell belt thingy from Seidio (note, not the one with the hard shell covr for the phone itself, just the belt portion) for 6 months with no scratches or other damage to the phone. Ok, except that the dark coating on the kickstand is wearing off, but cases don't cover that, anyway.
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Right now there's no honeycomb for view
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As I understand it, a HC update is imminent for both, right? And with some of what I've been reading on these forums, HC isn't exactly the be all, end all on this device since it runs on Gingerbread so well. I think I'm content to go ahead and get the View, and be the red-headed stepchild.
Besides, one other thing I was wondering...if you put a Senseless, AOSP type ROM on it, would you lose all, or some, of the cool stuff the pen can do? I'm not sure just how much is baked into the ROM, and how much is in apps I can download.
"Imminent" is a undefined term when it comes to HTC, its been imminent for about 6 months now.
DigitalMD said:
"Imminent" is a undefined term when it comes to HTC, its been imminent for about 6 months now.
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Word!
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Advice needed
I just bought a View from some online store.
Android Version 2.3.4
HTC Sense 2.1
Software Number 1.22.651.2
PRI version 2.28)003
PRL version 60679
Kernal version 2.6.35.10-xxxxx
Baseband version 1.05.11.0531
Build number 1.22.651.2 xxxxx
I don't want to hook up with Sprint. I want know how I can debrand it and/or unlock it. And if necessary to flash it to a ROM so I can use 3G somewhere else,especially use it in China with CDMA carriers there. Thank you in advance.
Given my (extremely) rural location and my lack of funds, I was somewhat forced into purchasing a view instead of a flyer. Best buy wasn't planning an immediate restock. Amazon was extremely overpriced. Oddly enough, a "32 gig 3g refurbished flyer" became available and fell into my price range. Given that it came with all the extras I needed such as the scribe, I jumped on the opportunity. However, the seller immediately emailed me notifying me it was the view. I accepted.
To make a long story short. I don't, nor will I ever have a sprint line. I am only using it for wifi.
Would it be possible to port roms from the flyer over to the view and it work, with all things considered?
It is hard to say how easy it will be to port it.
One problem I think that your going to have is that there isn't an overwhelming support for the flyer to begin with, and I think it was the more popular HTC tab.
With that said, if you managed to get a good price on the view, I would probably just roll with it, if it has nearly the quality of the flyer.
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Given my (extremely) rural location and my lack of funds, I was somewhat forced into purchasing a view instead of a flyer. Best buy wasn't planning an immediate restock. Amazon was extremely overpriced. Oddly enough, a "32 gig 3g refurbished flyer" became available and fell into my price range. Given that it came with all the extras I needed such as the scribe, I jumped on the opportunity. However, the seller immediately emailed me notifying me it was the view. I accepted.
To make a long story short. I don't, nor will I ever have a sprint line. I am only using it for wifi.
Would it be possible to port roms from the flyer over to the view and it work, with all things considered?
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Possible, probably yes...but practical no. It wold require far more effort than it's worth. I'm my opinon it would be better to wait for honeycomb and ask for the features you're looking for from Contradude or others if they apprear. Porting ROM features is a much more achievable goal than porting entire ROMs.
I already own the view.
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Possible, probably yes...but practical no. It wold require far more effort than it's worth. I'm my opinon it would be better to wait for honeycomb and ask for the features you're looking for from Contradude or others if they apprear. Porting ROM features is a much more achievable goal than porting entire ROMs.
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Actually globatron, you are the very person I wanted to talk to. You have roms based off the official releases. In the thread with over 30 pages of replies, you mentioned that a view specific version was soon to come.
I'm all but desperate for honeycomb. I don't have a wireless network at home. I have no use for the net features. However, I really need that extra pen functionality that honeycomb offers. That and the ability to use honeycomb apps.
The features I need ported over is honeycomb itself.
Both Contradude and myself are trying all avenues to get our hands on a HC leak for the view, however this is proving extremely difficult. We know an official release is close but everyone we have spoken to is too afraid for their job to leak it. I would not ask anyone to take that risk but I do not think anything sane coule be ported any quicker than it would take to wait for the official release.
I definitely appreciate the effort and all the information. I wouldn't ask anyone to sacrifice their jobs either. I'm just sad to be left in the dark.
I may be forced to do some experimenting on my own until something does surface.
Again, thank you for the help thus far.
whatever you do, don't load a flyer hboot.
it's awesome to hear there is HC hope for us few View users out there, can't wait to be able to use the all the cool art apps out there like sketchbook with the pen!
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it's awesome to hear there is HC hope for us few View users out there, can't wait to be able to use the all the cool art apps out there like sketchbook with the pen!
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. I really could care less about aosp on this device. My only source of internet is on my fascinate which won't even tether to my view. I can side load anything I really need. I honestly just want to see my view reach its true potential. I can't afford something like a cintiq. I'm trying to work my way up to that point. How can I accomplish that if my digitizer only works sometimes? How can i even access PhotoShop touch or sketchbook pro?
Hurry up and wait... That's the name of the game.
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Both Contradude and myself are trying all avenues to get our hands on a HC leak for the view, however this is proving extremely difficult. We know an official release is close but everyone we have spoken to is too afraid for their job to leak it. I would not ask anyone to take that risk but I do not think anything sane coule be ported any quicker than it would take to wait for the official release.
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So you have confirmation that HC is coming? I'm hearing so many mixed messages on this that I'm getting uneasy and thinking that my recent purchase was likely a mistake. Thanks!
See other thread.
Android is suppose to be the Linux of the phone world... Considering, it technically is. Why all the run-around? Why is it so hard to get things going for the software? I'm getting tired of all the drama between proprietary hardware, carrier retardation, and false promises of releases that never happen. At least when they are suppose to.
Look at the galaxy nexus. After a decade with Verizon, I am ready to abandon ship due to their back-stabbing business practices, and non-existent marketing strategy. I love android and hope it is prosperous for years to come, but the hoops that everyone has to jump through is getting ridiculous.
Flyer Roms on View
Like the OP, I grabbed a brand new View Cheap. I have no need for the 3G / 4G. I will always be wifi only.
I was under the impression, the View WAS the flyer with a 4G radio... I had assumed that flashing a Flyer rom would work, but 4G wouldn't work because Flyer roms are missing those features. (I'm 100% fine with that)
Can anyone answer the following:
Will flashing a Flyer Rom brick the device? Hard or Soft Brick?
Has anyone tried flashing a Flyer rom on the View? Does it work?
Is the hardware actually different beyond the Radio?
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Can anyone answer the following:
Will flashing a Flyer Rom brick the device?
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Yes
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Hard or Soft Brick?
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Assuming (of course it has to be for custom roms) S-OFF it would be a soft brick
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Has anyone tried flashing a Flyer rom on the View? Does it work?
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Take my word for it there is no point in trying it will not bot as it is.
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Is the hardware actually different beyond the Radio?
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Not really, but there are hboot, partition, address space, boot offsets and a few other things that are different. It's simply not feasible without a HC compatible view hboot.