Related
If i use the method found here: http://www.debian-archos.com/wiki/doku.php?id=en:install will it wipe my current setup and if so is there a way to back it up?
No. If you've got the SDE installed then it'll be replaced by Debian but stock Android will be safe.
Hey, i went ahead and did this today, wanted to replace my android kernel anyway as i was getting a bit bored of it, can always rollback hehe. It's pretty good, but i wish i had a working keyboard or mouse with it, the on screen keyboard is so hard to navigate with.
Yeah its cool n all but it just doesn't feel right for the tablet format. Your right about the keyboard but the Angstrom one was far worse. Have you checked out Bodhi linux? Thats one im really looking forward to. If you want a kinda feeler you could install e17 over xfc or lxde, thats what i did on mine in its pretty cool, but just be sure to have a usb keyboard handy for logging back in after changing session ( the virtual keyboard wont come up the first time ).
Na, although i found the debian install guide through the bohdi thread. If there could be a way to use the mouse with touch screen without it selecting everything everytime you move it and a decent virtual keyboard i'd be on it so quick, i love linux. I saw a video of a guy using the compiz cube desktop on a monitor touchscreen and instantly wanted a decent linux distro on my tablet haha - tho im no developer so i shall not complain, just wait patiently =]
I think if by next pay day if there isnt any other sign of anything i might try and find a decent keyboard and mouse combo for my archos because i would love to join in the testing/helping of trying to get a nice linux distro working comfortably on these nifty little devices, but it's taken me a month till now to be suggested a flash drive that these thing's will actually power so i hold no hope for that (on my end).
I just checked out the bodhi linux site... O.O
Fingers crossed aye =]
Hello all
I have my Atrix for about 3 months now, and from the beginning was thinking on buying the lapdock aswell but held myself due to its over expensive price (500$ for a damn docking!!!). Personally I don't see any reason to buy a docking for just 1 device in over 150$.
I've got now a chance to buy a semi-used one for 210$ (with a spare charger) and I wanted some consolt about it:
1) Is it possible to write office docs such as word and excell on it?
2) Is it possible to connect USB storage devices to it?
Since my primery uses for it will be as a working tool for docs writing (Thesis, reports and stuff), that can replace my aging laptop and instead of buying a notebook. will it be enough for my uses?
Can I use a Ubuntu hack to make it work as a Linux laptop?
Does it worth the 210$? or should I remain assertive on my "not over 150$" policy?
Much 10xs for all
I have had mine for a month now and in my opinion is OK but very limited. First there is the WIFI only unless you get the tethering plan or can get the hack to work (I have not yet got it to work). I use mine for remotely connecting to my Windows server but use a paid app Pocketcloud which works fine with the full screen mode on the lapdock although sizing the screen is sometimes a problem.
In answer to your questions:
1 If there is an app for Office docs which there is the answer is Yes but all the lapdock is really is a large screen for your phone, if you can do it on the phone you can do it on the lapdock.
2. I believe you can but it needs a hack
In my opinion it is not really yet a substitute for a laptop but if the hacks for Ubantu, tethering, etc are refined it may be in time but it in all honesty does not appear the be there yet.
As far as price, probably worth $200.00 to me to throw in the car so that I have a larger screen to log into my server when I am on the road etc without wireless, but that is a decision you would have to make.
You can buy it cheaper online, refurbished. It comes in very good working condition. My first one had a dead pixel, but AT&T let me bring it in and they gave me a new refurb'd.
They're 175 + tax online.
It says that flash drives and mice are supported. But I'm not sure. Haven't tried.
There's also a Google Docs app if you don't want to mod your WebTop. You can get OpenOffice if you use WebTop2SD, or the Debian mod.
Hey
first 10x to you both
Second, did I understand you correct? in webtop mod I cant use 3G? whats the point then? shouldnt it supposed to be a "laptop" with all the capabilities of the Atrix?
anyway, Sinful, can you give me a link for this price?
Another question, Does anyone knows if there are 10 intch screens with HDMI inlet? It ca be a cheap replacement for the lapdock....
You CAN connect with 3G with the regular phone interface which can be full screen on the lapdock. What you cannot do without the ATT tethering plan is to use the "full" Firefox browser on the lapdock.
For the most part it works fine just using the phone interface with the phone's browser in full screen mode.
I bought a refurb from lapdock from att and have been pleased with it. I have done the debian hack and the tethering hack to get firefox to work with my data plan. In reguards to your second question, I have hooked up external usb drives without problem. It gets mounted just fine and I am able to copy files without problem. Open Office also works well.
O.K
Thanks for the clarification.
Thats quite ****ty! Why would they do that?
Anyhow, since i'm not an AT&T costumer, I obviesly dont have the 'AT&T tethering program', so I guess it will be problematic for me to use the 3G.
I dont see what the use of the lapdock if I cant use my 3G, and I really dont want to use the phone browser in full mode to be able to do so.
Well, we will have to wait for the 2.3.4 official AT&T rom, and maybe they will enable this, or just wait for a skillful dev that will do that...
Which tethering hack did you use? I could not get mine to work. Thanks
AT&T thinks that using an external display of ANY form is considered tethering, even though its technically the same "computing device", just the output/input being redirected. I had a major "phone fight" with AT&Ts support, and am in talks with my lawyer if this actually enforceable. But yes, if you want to use the standard 3G web connectivity on your webtop's Firefox browser, AT&T requires you to get the 45 USD dataplan.
Alternatively you can try FIREFOX from the app market, and run it "fullscreen" through your Android GUI-"window".
As for office application that does Microsoft's office 2010 documents, I swear by QUICK OFFICE PRO. It does excel, word, PowerPoint and adobe PDF to create/edit.
I use my ATRIX as a semi desktop on the go, via Bluetooth keyboard and the ATRIX plugged into any TV or monitor that has a DVI (with HDMI-2-DVI adapter) or HDMI jack, and use the ATRIX itself as a mouse, since the touchscreen turns into a laptop-style -mousepad
There are mods out there to run an (almost) full Ubuntu, but last time I checked they had massive storage constraints trying to make it work all the way. Not sure if they overcome them by now.
But since the bootlaoder can be now unlocked, we probably will see soon some cool ROMS that allow us to use the ATRIX in a full Ubuntu environment.
Just hoping :-D
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App
I have been using my atrix to do my general doc file typings. So far I am happy.
here are some stuff that you may need to know:
1. you can use an external drive as long as it is formatted FAT32.
2. you can use a cable mouse
3. look under development section and look up debian and ubuntu images for webtop. I found debian more reliable but ubuntu solution has more flexibility.
Using either solution you can install koffice or openoffice for your typing needs. If you simply want to type in text and do the formatting at a later time look up the "easy_v0.2.5-signed.zip" under debian solution. It will give you a on screen window for typing similar to notepad which is pretty nice.
There is also the webtop2sd project that is in beta. I suggest for it to come out of beta as it is not ready for general public yet.
I owned one , had hacked 3g tethering working and my opinion is NO not worth it unless you can get for 100-150 then its just OK
No. Id wait to see if there is any official webtop improvements....out of the box there is very little funvtionality.
Also, moto has said that there will be more accesories, and they have filed for a Tabdock....which may be much better if its basicly a xoom transformer. I think they released the lapdock first more as a webtop beta and to not have a tabdock compete with their zoom.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App
Ive got one, and the usb drive works fine, and i have a wireless mouse that seems to work just fine, it does what ever your phone does, and stores it on your phone, so... if you consider your phone your primary computer then this is for you.... i will be trading mine in on a laptop or at the very least a net book of some kind that will allow me to use financial software and other windows/mac essential software...
its a neat idea, but at this stage its gimmicky at best.
vonh
Sorry to dig this thread up, but I just got my Lapdock and in the last month it has matured a bit more, with lots of hacks to install several Linux distros allowing to install native Linux apps to the environment.
So far, I'm very pleased and glad to leave the 15.4" laptop at home.
This is what I use my Lapdock for:
1. Remote into my job Servers and Workstations through LogMeIn. I still don't jump into Cytrix yet.
2. Browse the web natively through full Firefox for research and entertainment.
3. Remotely manage my home's NAS
4. Download, display an manage files (.RAR, .ZIP, .APK, .DOC, .PPS, .XLS, .PDF, etc)
5. A few games here and there (like AngryBirds) but honestly, I prefer to play them on the phone itself due to multitouch.
6. I manage several personal and business websites and portals, and I can pretty much do all I need to accomplish this. (FTP, Edit, Upload, Download, Code, etc)
What's lacking on the Lapdock:
1. No front Webcam (no way to answer a video call from Google Voice, Skype, etc)
2. No fron Microphone (I constantly find myself yelling so people on the other side of the line can hear me, I now use a wired headset. Maybe a BT headset would be more comfortable though.)
3. No way to input international accented characters (I hope to find a way to hack a way to implement this.)
4. No accelerated video under Webtop?
My conclusion:
For me, I think that overall it's a great complement to my Atrix as long as you don't pay more than $200 for it.
Cheers!
Rayan
anyone here root with a macbook ? I'm coming from jailbreaking iphones and never had an android phone and was wondering how difficult i'm going to have with updates and apps and rooting in a few days (phone should be here tomorrow), I use to dual boot but I sold my windows OS because I never used it so now I only have a macbook but we do have a home computer but thats down due to the power supply took a dump the other day !
So with SGS2 AT&T + macbook intel I tried to google and I can't find a straight answer to this !
1-can I root ?
2-how much more difficult without windows is it going to be ?
3-should I buy a windows OS and go back to dual boot ?
justabrake said:
anyone here root with a macbook ? I'm coming from jailbreaking iphones and never had an android phone and was wondering how difficult i'm going to have with updates and apps and rooting in a few days (phone should be here tomorrow), I use to dual boot but I sold my windows OS because I never used it so now I only have a macbook but we do have a home computer but thats down due to the power supply took a dump the other day !
So with SGS2 AT&T + macbook intel I tried to google and I can't find a straight answer to this !
1-can I root ?
2-how much more difficult without windows is it going to be ?
3-should I buy a windows OS and go back to dual boot ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you're familiar with terminal on your mac, there is a multi platform tool named Heimdall. Very easy to flash on a mac with this program
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
eep2378 said:
If you're familiar with terminal on your mac, there is a multi platform tool named Heimdall. Very easy to flash on a mac with this program
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I downloaded it and installed it I guess I need the device first to use it !
Is this something like cyberduck ? or more like tinyumbrella ?
justabrake said:
anyone here root with a macbook ? I'm coming from jailbreaking iphones and never had an android phone and was wondering how difficult i'm going to have with updates and apps and rooting in a few days (phone should be here tomorrow), I use to dual boot but I sold my windows OS because I never used it so now I only have a macbook but we do have a home computer but thats down due to the power supply took a dump the other day !
So with SGS2 AT&T + macbook intel I tried to google and I can't find a straight answer to this !
1-can I root ?
2-how much more difficult without windows is it going to be ?
3-should I buy a windows OS and go back to dual boot ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
MacOS will be easier than Windows. It's closer to Linux. So ADB is easier to get up and running I think, and heimdall is easier to get up and running. Note that I think heimdall had some issues with recent revisions of MacOS, and there's supposed to be an update (1.3.1) coming out in a day or two.
With heimdall you've got multiple paths to root. In my opinion the easiest now is to flash my kernel - as soon as the kernel boots it'll autoroot your system partition.
In terms of getting really "down and dirty" with an Android device, the order of easiness is:
1) Linux - because Android itself is a form of Linux, and is open source, Linux is the official development platform for Android. As an example, if you want to compile cyanogenmod from source, it's easiest on Linux.
2) MacOS - because it's much closer to Linux than Windows - it's possible to compile cyanogenmod from source on MacOS, but it's a bit difficult
3) Windows - It's the odd one out. It's the only platform where you need to install drivers for ADB to work, the only platform you need to install drivers for flashing utilities to work, and it's also not possible to compile Cyanogenmod from source and barely possible to compile kernels from source (if at all) if you want to get into the real down-to-the-metal development.
FYI, if you're messing with Android from MacOS, you may want to familiarize yourself with your terminal shell.
justabrake said:
I downloaded it and installed it I guess I need the device first to use it !
Is this something like cyberduck ? or more like tinyumbrella ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No clue what those are.
Entropy512 said:
MacOS will be easier than Windows. It's closer to Linux. So ADB is easier to get up and running I think, and heimdall is easier to get up and running. Note that I think heimdall had some issues with recent revisions of MacOS, and there's supposed to be an update (1.3.1) coming out in a day or two.
With heimdall you've got multiple paths to root. In my opinion the easiest now is to flash my kernel - as soon as the kernel boots it'll autoroot your system partition.
In terms of getting really "down and dirty" with an Android device, the order of easiness is:
1) Linux - because Android itself is a form of Linux, and is open source, Linux is the official development platform for Android. As an example, if you want to compile cyanogenmod from source, it's easiest on Linux.
2) MacOS - because it's much closer to Linux than Windows - it's possible to compile cyanogenmod from source on MacOS, but it's a bit difficult
3) Windows - It's the odd one out. It's the only platform where you need to install drivers for ADB to work, the only platform you need to install drivers for flashing utilities to work, and it's also not possible to compile Cyanogenmod from source and barely possible to compile kernels from source (if at all) if you want to get into the real down-to-the-metal development.
FYI, if you're messing with Android from MacOS, you may want to familiarize yourself with your terminal shell.
No clue what those are.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You say it's easier using a mac then windows ! I'd bet you never used a mac to do this there isn't many threads or downloads for mac OSX
I read some and there's just too many steps using a mac were as if you used 4 easy steps using windows So if you know an easy step by step that you don't have to use Terminal and a bunch of downloads to get Heimdall working please don't hesitate to post here !
I just rooted my phone last night, and I'm on a Mac. Since I couldn't find any steps for rooting the GS2 on a Mac, I just ran Windows through VMWare Fusion and forwarded the USB connection to the VM. It looks like it worked perfectly, as everything I've tried so far that requires root has ran flawlessly.
flightsimmer said:
I just rooted my phone last night, and I'm on a Mac. Since I couldn't find any steps for rooting the GS2 on a Mac, I just ran Windows through VMWare Fusion and forwarded the USB connection to the VM. It looks like it worked perfectly, as everything I've tried so far that requires root has ran flawlessly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I Posted I don't have windows
Are you trying to impress me?
I'm not
Thanks
Unfortunately, I'm a terminal kind of guy. My rooting method was initially developed on a Linux box, and my kernel is always flashed from a Linux box when I develop it.
MacOS is much closer to Linux than Windows is - so yes, it's actually easier if you have basic terminal/shell familiarity.
The only problem is that apparently Heimdall and OSX Lion don't seem to like each other much...
Terminal shell its much easier to use, once you get use to using. The problem is, like most things you have never attempted before it will always seem more complicated than it is.
I have found most tasks I do to be easier and quicker with one exception and that is file/folder navigation, that is one thing where GUI clearly beats terminal command line.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
I share your pain man. I actually found that while the MAC method might be easier, it was more practical from a community support perspective, to just install windows on boot camp and use that partition when dealing with rooting.
I know it's not ideal but if you're doing it on a MAC there will be far less of a community on here to support you, given the small percentage of users with macs in general.
I rooted mine in boot camp just by following the directions. You can remove the boot camp partition when done anyhow
dayv said:
Terminal shell its much easier to use, once you get use to using. The problem is, like most things you have never attempted before it will always seem more complicated than it is.
I have found most tasks I do to be easier and quicker with one exception and that is file/folder navigation, that is one thing where GUI clearly beats terminal command line.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not once you learn the joys of tab completion... (Not all shells have that feature, but I think OSX defaults to bash which should have it.)
Entropy512 said:
Not once you learn the joys of tab completion... (Not all shells have that feature, but I think OSX defaults to bash which should have it.)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll have to learn.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
Entropy512 said:
Unfortunately, I'm a terminal kind of guy. My rooting method was initially developed on a Linux box, and my kernel is always flashed from a Linux box when I develop it.
MacOS is much closer to Linux than Windows is - so yes, it's actually easier if you have basic terminal/shell familiarity.
The only problem is that apparently Heimdall and OSX Lion don't seem to like each other much...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm on lion and have no problems using command line heimdall. I've flashed a bunch of your kernels already So it may be user error/other factors affecting heimdall and OS lion. Lion has had a few updates already, last one being yesterday. I've had well documented, wifi issues on lion, etc(supposed to be fixed with latest update)
bella92108 said:
I share your pain man. I actually found that while the MAC method might be easier, it was more practical from a community support perspective, to just install windows on boot camp and use that partition when dealing with rooting.
I know it's not ideal but if you're doing it on a MAC there will be far less of a community on here to support you, given the small percentage of users with macs in general.
I rooted mine in boot camp just by following the directions. You can remove the boot camp partition when done anyhow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll have to get a windows OS, Never thought there wouldn't be a youtube or support sites for this !
Thanks !
justabrake said:
I'll have to get a windows OS, Never thought there wouldn't be a youtube or support sites for this !
Thanks !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm confused by your phrasing, lol.
At least you're a smart Apple customer. Most who use Apple computers (best computers on the market), are "fanboys" and end up thinking just because Apple makes a good tablet, or a good computer, that their phones must be the best, and 1 million line up on pre-order day to buy a 1.5 year old model thinking it's going to be any different than the half-baked, crippled iDevice they had before, hehe.
Not really sure where I'm going with that... but yeah, buy a cheap OEM copy of windows. I'd say download a pirated copy, but I don't want to get yelled at on here, so definitely don't download a pirated copy, pirated copies of windows are bad...
---------- Post added at 01:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------
eep2378 said:
I'm on lion and have no problems using command line heimdall. I've flashed a bunch of your kernels already So it may be user error/other factors affecting heimdall and OS lion. Lion has had a few updates already, last one being yesterday. I've had well documented, wifi issues on lion, etc(supposed to be fixed with latest update)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wifi issues on Lion? I have never had an issue. I DO have a big Wifi issue on my Galaxy SII just like the Wifi issues I had on my Infuse 4G. Wish someone would fix that. It's annoying to have 1 bar of wifi when I'm sitting 2 feet from my router, hehe.
Maybe I should try tweaking the frequencies on my routers
bella92108 said:
I'm confused by your phrasing, lol.
At least you're a smart Apple customer. Most who use Apple computers (best computers on the market), are "fanboys" and end up thinking just because Apple makes a good tablet, or a good computer, that their phones must be the best, and 1 million line up on pre-order day to buy a 1.5 year old model thinking it's going to be any different than the half-baked, crippled iDevice they had before, hehe.
Not really sure where I'm going with that... but yeah, buy a cheap OEM copy of windows. I'd say download a pirated copy, but I don't want to get yelled at on here, so definitely don't download a pirated copy, pirated copies of windows are bad...
---------- Post added at 01:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------
Wifi issues on Lion? I have never had an issue. I DO have a big Wifi issue on my Galaxy SII just like the Wifi issues I had on my Infuse 4G. Wish someone would fix that. It's annoying to have 1 bar of wifi when I'm sitting 2 feet from my router, hehe.
Maybe I should try tweaking the frequencies on my routers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Consider yourself lucky then. There was a pretty sizable issue with lion where wifi/network would not be connected to internet when waking computer from sleep. If you google it, there were A LOT of people having problems.
Also, in there Lion update yesterday, the issue is addressed in the changelog directly from Apple, so they were aware of the problem.
For me it was pretty annoying. I tried a bunch of workarounds but none of them worked long term. I was forced to constantly turn wifi on/off whenever it would not connect. Pretty weak!!
I have not had the issue since updating yesterday, lets hope it stays that way
Yeah, I have a Macbook Pro and have been rooted. Command line heimdall is not difficult in the least to use in my opinion. Any questions can be answered by a multitude of us using it.
Btw, its nothing like cyberduck. That was just a FTP interface. This is a completely different thing.
Edit: Off topic, I was having that wifi problem too! I just thought it was my crappy university internet.
abacon15 said:
Edit: Off topic, I was having that wifi problem too! I just thought it was my crappy university internet.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In regards to wifi on your MBP or your GSII?
MBP. I have nothing but great things to say about my GSII.
abacon15 said:
MBP. I have nothing but great things to say about my GSII.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think I need to tweak my settings on my router, I think it's responsible for the spotty wifi on my GSII.
Hi All, hope all is well !
I was wondering what the best alternative would be to be able to log into my PC computer at home, while on the road?
Some current background: I am traveling to Singapore in Feb. for work.. and I'd like to be able to access my personal stuff on the go (If at all possible)..
What would be the best alternative for that? I am currently running Windows 7 Premium 32 bit, with the homebase rom, and 236 webtop.
Ideally, I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to be able to have more of a real, computer like environment.. rather then the limited way it is now. I currently have Webtop2sd installed.. and Im not sure where else to go next ...
I've just read that i can use Ubuntu on the Atrix (I'm running turls v8), but I am a little confused as to how I need to connect the phone to the laptop. Whats the minimum type of dock can I get away with?
thanks
Kam
the Motorola lapdock is enough...?
I don't understand...
ifalldownalot said:
the Motorola lapdock is enough...?
I don't understand...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. I forgot to clarify. II bought the phone on ebay and I font have any type of dock at all. Thanks.
The phone doesn't come with it, you buy the lapdock separately.
CM7 and CM9 do not support webtop though. So the best you'll get on that rom right now is HDMI landscape mirroring of the phone display on the screen.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
we use Ubuntu on the atrix with our lapdocks.
ifalldownalot said:
we use Ubuntu on the atrix with our lapdocks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thansk. maybe I need to clarify more.
I only have an Atrix...no DOCK of any sort. I'm not worried about Webtop because i use CM9.
However, I knwo i can use the phone with ubuntu and i want to play around with that.
I know there are a few different types of Docks out there (Standard, HD, Laptop etc), so i need to know which one I can get away with without spending more than i need to! I don't want to have to fork out for the Lapdock if the standrd one will do.
So, whats the cheapest Dock I can get away with?
syanide1 said:
Thansk. maybe I need to clarify more.
I only have an Atrix...no DOCK of any sort. I'm not worried about Webtop because i use CM9.
However, I knwo i can use the phone with ubuntu and i want to play around with that.
I know there are a few different types of Docks out there (Standard, HD, Laptop etc), so i need to know which one I can get away with without spending more than i need to! I don't want to have to fork out for the Lapdock if the standrd one will do.
So, whats the cheapest Dock I can get away with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
they all serve different purposes.
it seems you think all the docks are interchangeable.
and you can only run Ubuntu on the atrix/lapdock combination, I believe.
You can run Ubuntu (or webtop in this context, which is Ubutnu 9.10) with the lapdock and the HD Multimedia dock. You can also run webtop simply with the supplied HDMI cable (which I'm guessing you didn't get either) without any dock but your ROM must support webtop over HDMI. Webtop is only available with Blur roms, not CM7/9
If you are talking about the recent Canonical announcement about Ubuntu on Android, that is simply and updated webtop and made to run on any Android, not just Moto. It is not available to the general public.
There is a another way to run Ubuntu that I've heard works with CM7/9, but it is the type that uses VNC as a viewer and on the phone, not using one of the docks mentioned. I know nothing else about that setup.