http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/09/hp-webos-to-live-on-through-open-source-hardware-lineup-still/
When HP abruptly announced it was discontinuing the TouchPad and ceasing work on any future devices running webOS, we took that to mean the underdog operating system had died a premature death. But when the company ousted bumbling CEO Leo Apotheker and replaced him with Meg Whitman, we had to wonder if webOS might have some life in it yet. Well, the company just came back with a final verdict: the company will continue to develop webOS, as promised, but with the help of the open source community. In other words, webOS as a platform will live on, and developers both inside HP and out will spruce up the OS for interested OEMs (whoever they may be), along with people who already own webOS devices. Says Sam Greenblatt, CTO of the outfit's advanced technologies division: "We looked at all the various options we have on the table. We think this option is the best for the tech industry and HP."
Still, if you were hoping Whitman would resurrect the TouchPad and Pre 3 beyond just another fire sale, we hate to be the bearer of disappointing news. The bottom line: HP's webOS hardware lineup is still dead -- for now, at least. Greenblatt emphasized that HP might later choose to build devices running webOS, the same way any other OEM would evaluate any other operating system. In an interview, company representatives were also quick to say that with the help of developers outside HP, webOS could become a more attractive choice for devices other than phones and tablets (printers, anyone?). Still, though Greenblatt says there has been a "great deal" of interest from companies eyeing the software, it remains unclear which manufactures, if any, will decide to give the OS a more immediate home.
So how long would we have to wait until we see AWESOME webOS hit the forums?
Oh and here's there Press Release...
HP to Contribute webOS to Open Source
HP to enable creativity of the community to accelerate the next-generation web-centric platform
PALO ALTO, Calif., Dec. 9, 2011 – HP today announced it will contribute the webOS software to the open source community.
HP plans to continue to be active in the development and support of webOS. By combining the innovative webOS platform with the development power of the open source community, there is the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices.
webOS offers a number of benefits to the entire ecosystem of web applications. For developers, applications can be easily built using standard web technologies. In addition, its single integrated stack offers multiplatform portability. For device manufacturers, it provides a single web-centric platform to run across multiple devices. As a result, the end user benefits from a fast, immersive user experience.
"webOS is the only platform designed from the ground up to be mobile, cloud-connected and scalable," said Meg Whitman, HP president and chief executive officer. "By contributing this innovation, HP unleashes the creativity of the open source community to advance a new generation of applications and devices."
HP will make the underlying code of webOS available under an open source license. Developers, partners, HP engineers and other hardware manufacturers can deliver ongoing enhancements and new versions into the marketplace.
HP will engage the open source community to help define the charter of the open source project under a set of operating principles:
- The goal of the project is to accelerate the open development of the
webOS platform
- HP will be an active participant and investor in the project
- Good, transparent and inclusive governance to avoid fragmentation
- Software will be provided as a pure open source project
HP also will contribute ENYO, the application framework for webOS, to the community in the near future along with a plan for the remaining components of the user space.
Beginning today, developers and customers are invited to provide input and suggestions at http://developer.palm.com/blog/.
LOL, have you seen the HP web OS guys business card... Here it is
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cleanrom2.9.5
Looks like the EVO3D is already running webOS
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/12/...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
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wow no one cares for webOS? I was so ****in stocked i thought this thread would get stickied ahah wow.
LOL, I think its good stuff anything out of the ordinary is cool
Shot from my sharp shooter in 3d
cleanrom2.9.5
This is a whole new operating system for us and the dev at webOS has a 3d and already got it booted I believe. I'm ****ing stoked
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The EVO 3d boot is 3 months old. But um looking forward to this.
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I also am looking forward to this. I think it would be quite fun to run on BootManager. If they could figure out how to make the android market and apps compatible with webOS that would make even more tempting for many people. I for one am very much so in love with webOS.
It's the only viable option to Android. Seeing it Open Source is such good news.
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Just thought this was sad....
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony
Probably the wrong forum for this, but I think the G-Tab will be my 1st and only android device.
From day 1 till now I have had a bad taste in my mouth between Viewsonic's dropping the ball, Google's Honeycomb decisions, and finally Nvidia's dropping the platform not even 1 year in. This is a mess.
Thanks to XDA as they have been the only group in this mess who actually cared about the end users, and they were unpaid enthusiasts. That's a huge strike against android as a viable platform.
Virtual Pariah said:
Probably the wrong forum for this, but I think the G-Tab will be my 1st and only android device.
From day 1 till now I have had a bad taste in my mouth between Viewsonic's dropping the ball, Google's Honeycomb decisions, and finally Nvidia's dropping the platform not even 1 year in. This is a mess.
Thanks to XDA as they have been the only group in this mess who actually cared about the end users, and they were unpaid enthusiasts. That's a huge strike against android as a viable platform.
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What's the difference as long as the need is being taken care of?
For many this platform and tab have been taken from a mere consumption device to a learning tool. Who else, is offering such opportunity to better learn a mobile platform in and out?
Sometime we look right past the obvious. I would much more so want to learn than sit and play games or consume. To each his own.
Wow! Out of all the companies, nvidia was the last company I thought would do this. Reputation of driver support is just about the most important thing a chip company can have.
edirector said:
What's the difference as long as the need is being taken care of?
For many this platform and tab have been taken from a mere consumption device to a learning tool. Who else, is offering such opportunity to better learn a mobile platform in and out?
Sometime we look right past the obvious. I would much more so want to learn than sit and play games or consume. To each his own.
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I see where you are going, but, without official support most of the enthusiast devs will migrate to another platform.
To me, the loss of the manufacturer's input would be the death knell for the device.
Most people who have paid for this tablet did so for the media consumption capabilities. At least in the general population.
I'm a tad confused that anyone would be considering withdrawal of official support a good thing...
Moved to Q&A.
Just saw an update from a nvidia rep...
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Can someone give me the plain english version?
Between this and the recent google 3.0 annoincement they must be dancing in the streets in Cupertino
thevaristy said:
Just saw an update from a nvidia rep...
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Can someone give me the plain english version?
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Does this mean that they are supporting Gtablet Nvidia drivers. ???
Let us all hope Nvida will change there minds after a bunch of emails to support harmony on gingerbread and honeycomb
A good news from Nvidia ???
The newest update from Nvidia looks good (see below).
They will support the gtablet as long as viewsonic supports it. Nvidia is listening.
Now we have to keep the pressure on viewsonic for the support.
UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Its official:
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/12/nvidia-sadly-wont-provide-honeycomb-drivers-and-support-for-harmony-tegra-2-devices/
was just reading the same forum on Nvidia..... http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony
Unbelievable !
If this is true - will not buy a single nvidia product anymore. Lousy bastards they are !
ibila said:
Its official:
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/12/nvidia-sadly-wont-provide-honeycomb-drivers-and-support-for-harmony-tegra-2-devices/
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They are getting whipped for that
I dont get it though ? Are not all drivers for the platform opensource ?
How hard is it to move a driver btwn minor Linux versions ?
Our Folio will not get Honeycomb from Toshiba anyway, and the harmony machines out does not fit Googles requirments for Honeycomb.
As long as the drivers can be recompiled for the Honeycomb kernel there are many groups out there that can do a community port.
(Still waiting for Honeycomb Android source though...)
I agree, Nvidia will feel the consequences of this decision.
I was all for Tegra and was determined that my next tablet would also be a Tegra, but now there will not be a next time for me.
Whoever decided this at Nvidia should have their head examined, talk about bad reputation and bad business...
Nvidia has responded to the massive critic they got.
Here's the response from Nvidia:
"A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today."
I like the last sentence "We will be reaching out to them today"...
Also posted this to Rootzwiki, want to see some discussion on this, pretty exciting, the Touchpad could turn out to be on the best purchases i've ever made.
http://www.winrumors.com/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpad-devices/
HP is testing Microsoft’s Windows 8 developer preview on its TouchPad devices, according to reports.
HP announced in August that it plans to discontinue its TouchPad and pre phones and halt all further webOS device development. The announcement came less than two months after the TouchPad went on sale and sees HP contemplating licensing webOS to third party vendors. HP’s extermination of its TouchPad was undeniably quick but hardly surprising. The device had struggled to sell and some reports suggest that American retail giant Best Buy took delivery of around 270,000 units and only sold around 25,000 of their stock.
Speculation that HP could offer Windows 8 on its existing TouchPad form factor has emerged after Fox News anchor Clayton Morris suggested on his blog on Friday that HP is busy with proof of concept work testing Windows 8 on TouchPad hardware. Morris’ sources hint that HP could be considering a revival of the devices with Windows 8 in mind. HP is currently building additional devices for a second round of fire sales, the company has yet to confirm when they will be made available. Morris also says that the TouchPad and WebOS workers at HP haven’t been made redudant yet. Morris speculates that HTC, LG, Nikon and Amazon are all interested in purchasing HP’s WebOS software.
HP had grand plans to offer webOS on its PC devices, a scenario directed towards Microsoft independence. HP has seemingly scrapped this plan and appears to be on the brink of spinning off its Personal Systems Group (PSG). The group is responsible for consumer and business PCs and accessories along with digital entertainment devices. A sell off would follow a similar approach to IBM who sold its PC division to China-based Lenovo Group in late 2004. The sale would allow HP to focus on its cloud computing and server businesses. HP ships the largest amount of PCs worldwide so any potential sale of that business will drum up significant attention. HP is also rumored to be preparing a Windows 8 tablet for Q3, 2012, alongside offerings from Dell and other hardware vendors.
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
N3m3515 said:
there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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I guess I didn't do my due diligence... I looked around at some of the other post about Windows 8 but they didn't seem to contain any links or references just hopeful thinking on a community driven effort.
It's a mod's problem now...
Nooo there isn't another thread on this... That thread was locked for no reason. Please leave this thread open as this discussion is in the category it belongs in, not under webOS development...
anyway Joe if you find any other news please update your original post, I'm very interested in getting windows 8 on my tp.
I did get a 32gb touchpad in anticipation of windows 8, don't know how big the rom/image? Is going to be
Thanks for posting that information, really interesting.
if this thread doesn't get closed then i'll keep it up to date with any new information.
If the Touchpad does get Windows 8, i'll be in heaven, i have to have Windows to do my work, and current laptops suck, they generate too much heat, take forever to boot and the battery life is a joke.
I do wonder what HP's strategy would be bringing Windows 8 to the Touchpad, unless they are going to start selling them for $500± again, I dont see how it could be profitable for them, with webOS they get to lock you into their market...
My guess is they are using the touchpad hardware because its.readily available. They are probably using it to evaluate and test windows 8. Its pure speculation,but what's probably going on is that there is a person who thinks hp should consider producing such a device. As the touchpad is dead,there are now engineering resources available to explore such projects. They most likely are letting the R&D people keep doing there jobs. If they stopped that,that whole.division they are considing selling would,just like WebOS,become worthless in a very short time. Think of it as HP trying not to repeat the same mistake twice.
It does not mean HP is planning such a device,dozens of such projects are started and abandoned all the time. It also does not mean they are planing on releasing a touchpad version of windows. A device with windows 8 might have similar hardware or perhaps not,but chances are,its just an evaluation. MS probably has most of the drivers they need so its probably an easy thing for them to do with help from Microsoft and presumably qualcom.
HP's perception of good timing is..............bad.
If that's true of course. It goes without saying that if people wanted a Windows 8 tablet, they're gonna go for those new tablets, this one doesn't even have a back camera. There's a stack of reasons why this rumor is simply, false- IMHO.
Now of course if they could get it on there with just a download, I might consider.
But still- Windows 8 won't be here any time soon.
We'll be "lucky" if it comes out by next year. You know what that means....
I for one don't need a camera on a tablet other than the ffc. Have one on my galaxy tab literally used it once. Only reason I see a use for a back cam on these things is maybe for gaming and/or AR type applications.
@pflatlyne&@DreamOWD you both make some good points.
It probably would be retarded for HP to push the Touchpad as a Windows 8 Tablet, they would be wise to introduce some new hardware, a standard USB port and a camera that doesn't look like vomit are probably on the list, but I hoping they continue with their idiocracy(which lead to us getting this tablet for $99 ) and release Windows 8 on the Touchpad.
So the question may very well be, how dumb is HP?
I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
Unrealwolf said:
I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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Or microsoft realizes the market share they would get if they update toichpads to it, and the goodwill of consumers talking positively about microsoft.
That said I doubt they will release it
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Well what is official is HP is going to be making Window 8 tablets, whether or not our humble little Touchpad will be blessed with Windows 8 is still up in the air
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/27/...ows-8-long-term-decision-webos-coming-months/
Interesting little video of what Win8 might look like on the TouchPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-a0od9pRU&feature=related
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Fixing Facebook is a Facebook issue, not WebOS.
I think the question you really want to ask is what developers/companies that have WebOS apps will be supporting them?
WebOS needs a better launcher period. Limited TABs, no shortcuts to tabs in the App Bar. The cards concept is cool and polished, I just need a lot of shortcuts to get apps launched.
I agree. That's why I'm looking forward to the next major update. I'm anxious to see what they do to refresh the user experience. It would be really compelling, the future of webOS is in the updates.
3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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ihateu
lol
I'd be willing to bet on 3.05 not being a that huge of update, just like the two updates before it weren't big updates. They were more like mini-updates.
You can sprinkle a little sugar on some cold coffee here and there, but it doesn't make it a Caffè Latte.
I'm talking webOS 3.06, 3.07, 3.08, 3.09... webOS has to be heading somewhere..
I think the browser needs better tab management.
It makes sense to me to have the app cards appear smaller to fit more on screen. As of now, you can only see half of the one on the left, the full middle one, and half of the one of the right. That might make sense on a phone but with a huge screen, I'd like to have full view of several cards without having to swipe.
The built-in calculator is pretty pathetic. It only allows for basic arithmetic. Just seems silly on such a huge screen.
I love how the calendar app looks and functions. But speed/performance can be improved.
TBH, the future is bleak for WebOS. At this moment, there's just no incentive for HP to continue to update the OS and core apps. And there's no incentive for developers to write apps for a dead platform.
Unless one of the following happens, all of us TouchPad users are left high and dry:
- HP does a complete 180 and decides to support WebOS again and to release new WebOS hardware. (Unlikely, but hey, you never know. They did change their minds about abandoning the PC market and they have a new CEO. So there's a slim sliver of hope.)
- HP sells the entire WebOS division to someone else. (Unlikely unless HP is willing to sell it at a substantial loss.)
- HP licenses out WebOS for other manufacturers. (Could happen. But I stuggle to come up with a reason why manufacturers would choose WebOS over Android or WP7.)
Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Ok, fine. Perhaps not dead. But definitely abandoned.
I'm no dev, so I take your word for it when you say it's not difficult to code for WebOS. And I salute your efforts. But I maintain that the future of WebOS is bleak. Eventually, all of us Touchpad users will move on. All Pre users will move on. And there won't be another WebOS device for us to buy even if we stayed true and loyal to the platform.
I just wished they would incorporate the hacks that are currently in homebrew. As to the the TP's longevity, as long as you are in XDA, it wont get old until XDA and CM dev decides they want to move on. By then, we will be salivating on a quad core tablet.
I've been thinking, it doesn't matter if webOS is dead or if it's supported... I've been looking into other devices, seeing if I wanted to transfer over, Prime, Fire, X2 and all things considered, still, you just can't do enough.
Many people are just going to keep this TouchPad until the iPad 3 comes out.
Now, here's the thing, about HP, I never bought any of their products. It was only until the TouchPad came out, that I ever owned anything HP. So, I don't really care for the company.
Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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HP bought Palm in 2010 for $1.2B.
They might have bought Palm, but Palm is still Palm. All we can say that HP did was inadvertently ruin the TouchPad... but Palm is still Palm.
Who from HP created webOS? I mean, it's not like they had anybody from HP working on the TouchPad...
can't wait ti ll i get my device whitelisted.
there are some nice changes coming to 3.0.5
It would be great if WebOS continues to be developed and get future updates. As for my wishlist:
- Restored Touchstone charging functionality -- the 3.0.4 update decreased sensitivity so now my TP doesn't charge on the TS with the cover folded behind.
- Improved browser, tabs & speed. Or, ports of Opera or Dolphin would be great.
- Improved keyboard, with arrow keys and text prediction.
This information was grabbed from:
http://www.muktware.com/2014/05/canonical-stops-ubuntu-android-development/26527
It seems that Canonical has stopped the development (all together) for Ubuntu Touch devices, due to lack of partnership with other huge corporations. In responce to this report, I would like to confirm if this is even remotely accurate or not?
The title of the article says: Canonical stops ‘Ubuntu for Android’ development. Ubuntu for Android is a separate project from Ubuntu Touch. It says that in the body of the article.
The Ubuntu for Android project was launched in early 2012 with the aim to merge Android Mobile and Ubuntu Linux desktop. According to Canonical, the project has been shelved for now and is not under active development.
Ubuntu for Android was an innovative project which would allow Android Mobile users to dock their smartphones to desktop, and boot up Ubuntu Linux from the device making the setup a full fledged Ubuntu PC. The data would be stored on the smartphone and shared between both the operating systems.
It seems, canonical was not contented with sharing the smartphone space with Android and instead wanted their own standalone operating system. Thus, Ubuntu Touch was born in January 2013, when canonical announced that they were expanding their mobile efforts to include their own smartphone OS.
Ubuntu for Android’s current development status came into view when a bug report was filed and Canonical’s Matthew Paul replied with the following statement:
The website] describes Ubuntu for Android as “the must-have feature for late-2012 high-end Android phones. Ubuntu for Android is no longer in development, so this page should be retired, along with [the features section].
Official statement from Canonical states that, their current priority is Ubuntu Touch OS for smartphones, and they would like to concentrate all their efforts in that direction. However, Ubuntu for Android is not dead yet and they are happy to work on it if they find prospective partners to work with.
We are very happy with the reception of both the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS desktop, and the early Ubuntu phone images. We think these development show a desire in the market place for Ubuntu, and an Ubuntu for Android (U4A) solution would be a good way for it to reach users.
We still believe that U4A is a great product concept and that consumers would welcome the feature. The development within Ubuntu for U4A is complete. To take the development further requires a launch partner in order to make the necessary modifications on the Android side.
We are currently not in concrete discussions with launch partners, but we are still very much open to such a partnership. We are focused on Ubuntu for Phones at the moment, therefore we are not actively pushing for Ubuntu for Android.However, if a prospective partner steps forward, we are very much open to launching Ubuntu for Android.
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Did ya even read the thing??? :silly:
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This information was grabbed from:
http://www.muktware.com/2014/05/canonical-stops-ubuntu-android-development/26527
It seems that Canonical has stopped the development (all together) for Ubuntu Touch devices, due to lack of partnership with other huge corporations. In responce to this report, I would like to confirm if this is even remotely accurate or not?
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I don't know. - Hope this helps
Wait, Lgrootnoob, you quoted the Original Post verbatim for the Original Poster to read and you hope it helps them how exactly???
Should I even make intelligent comment here? Is this whole thread a put on?
Think about it for two seconds...
Canonical is pushing Ubuntu Touch, Canonical is pushing Convergence (all form factors from wearables > phones > tablets > laptops > desktops > televisions > automobile infotainment > etc > ad nauseum all having the identical Operating System - namely Ubuntu), Canonical is pushing to put desktop capability when docked inside of Ubuntu Touch, Canonical is pushing for their own dedicated devices to be manufactured, Canonical is pushing to gather users in the mobile marketplace...
Why would Canonical continue supporting Ubuntu for Android? That system allows for Android on the phone and desktop capability of Ubuntu when docked. They don't want to share the mobile stage with Android. They want to replace Android.
They want to free up the resources going into U4A and channel them into desktop capability when docked for Ubuntu Touch. It doesn't weaken UT, it strengthens it. It won't take anything away from UT, it will add to it.
What part of this is unclear?
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Wait, Lgrootnoob, you quoted the Original Post verbatim for the Original Poster to read and you hope it helps them how exactly???
Should I even make intelligent comment here? Is this whole thread a put on?
Think about it for two seconds...
Canonical is pushing Ubuntu Touch, Canonical is pushing Convergence (all form factors from wearables > phones > tablets > laptops > desktops > televisions > automobile infotainment > etc > ad nauseum all having the identical Operating System - namely Ubuntu), Canonical is pushing to put desktop capability when docked inside of Ubuntu Touch, Canonical is pushing for their own dedicated devices to be manufactured, Canonical is pushing to gather users in the mobile marketplace...
Why would Canonical continue supporting Ubuntu for Android? That system allows for Android on the phone and desktop capability of Ubuntu when docked. They don't want to share the mobile stage with Android. They want to replace Android.
They want to free up the resources going into U4A and channel them into desktop capability when docked for Ubuntu Touch. It doesn't weaken UT, it strengthens it. It won't take anything away from UT, it will add to it.
What part of this is unclear?
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This post is not a "put on". This is a logical question. After all, I don't really believe that Ubuntu Touch is necessarily "all there" just yet. I definitely support their development and admire those who put their effort in to developing for UT; but even they know that the Ubuntu Touch phone market isn't ready yet. Honestly it wouldn't be that surprising if Canonical were to cut the process for a while.
androidiphonehacker said:
This post is not a "put on". This is a logical question. After all, I don't really believe that Ubuntu Touch is necessarily "all there" just yet. I definitely support their development and admire those who put their effort in to developing for UT; but even they know that the Ubuntu Touch phone market isn't ready yet. Honestly it wouldn't be that surprising if Canonical were to cut the process for a while.
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But there is nothing in that article quoted to support saying Ubuntu Touch Development is being scaled back. Just the opposite. Ubuntu for Android (an older project) support is being dropped. Wouldn't you suppose the personnel working on U4A are then shifted to Convergence and, by extension, to Ubuntu Touch???
I'll admit that Canonical has slowed press release of UT news. They have dropped a few devices from the official support list as well. Don't forget they need to focus to push out Unity 8, Ubuntu Trusty LTR and work behind the scenes getting their first dedicated UT device(s) ramped up for manufacture by partner OEMs...
It's apparent to most they have to do more work and less talk. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...ntu-touch-14-04-coming-along-but-miles-to-go/
Ubuntu for Android is a separate project from Ubuntu Touch. They are stopping that project because Touch is going to be their focus for mobile. I think this is a solid decision so that they can turn Ubuntu Touch into a polished product.
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Ubuntu for Android is a separate project from Ubuntu Touch. They are stopping that project because Touch is going to be their focus for mobile. I think this is a solid decision so that they can turn Ubuntu Touch into a polished product.
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Yes, and as idiotic as this may seem, I merely skimmed over the article I was reading and didn't mean to start a little flame war in the earlier posts, some xda members can get a little visious haha. Excuse me for that. Yes, I'm very glad to see that they've shifted their focus from U4A development into UT development all together.
Ubuntu for Android is a great concept. It would be nice to see follow through from Canonical. I was really hoping they would follow through.
I suppose that such a product probably only penetrates a niche market, and their vision seems to want that Ubuntu be adopted in more widespread contexts.
UbuntuOne would have been great for them to carry on with too. And it would be nice to see viable, quality mobile applications for programs that end up being used with Ubuntu, like an awesome mobile app for the Libreoffice suite for example. Most of what they are offering in this regard seems mostly desktop viable, many of their desktop programs are awesome.
Actually offering such cross platform, including Android versions for example, seems like a wise way in which to make people find an inclination to use other offered products.
Has anyone tried to compose, edit, and save an odt file on a mobile device? The options all seem second class. Andreoffice ported it to Android but it is not optimized for mobile. And it is things like this that do matter when it comes to mass product adoption.
If they are not going to see to issues like this, then scraping projects like Ubuntu for Android makes little sense.
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