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Just thought this was sad....
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony
Probably the wrong forum for this, but I think the G-Tab will be my 1st and only android device.
From day 1 till now I have had a bad taste in my mouth between Viewsonic's dropping the ball, Google's Honeycomb decisions, and finally Nvidia's dropping the platform not even 1 year in. This is a mess.
Thanks to XDA as they have been the only group in this mess who actually cared about the end users, and they were unpaid enthusiasts. That's a huge strike against android as a viable platform.
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Probably the wrong forum for this, but I think the G-Tab will be my 1st and only android device.
From day 1 till now I have had a bad taste in my mouth between Viewsonic's dropping the ball, Google's Honeycomb decisions, and finally Nvidia's dropping the platform not even 1 year in. This is a mess.
Thanks to XDA as they have been the only group in this mess who actually cared about the end users, and they were unpaid enthusiasts. That's a huge strike against android as a viable platform.
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What's the difference as long as the need is being taken care of?
For many this platform and tab have been taken from a mere consumption device to a learning tool. Who else, is offering such opportunity to better learn a mobile platform in and out?
Sometime we look right past the obvious. I would much more so want to learn than sit and play games or consume. To each his own.
Wow! Out of all the companies, nvidia was the last company I thought would do this. Reputation of driver support is just about the most important thing a chip company can have.
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What's the difference as long as the need is being taken care of?
For many this platform and tab have been taken from a mere consumption device to a learning tool. Who else, is offering such opportunity to better learn a mobile platform in and out?
Sometime we look right past the obvious. I would much more so want to learn than sit and play games or consume. To each his own.
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I see where you are going, but, without official support most of the enthusiast devs will migrate to another platform.
To me, the loss of the manufacturer's input would be the death knell for the device.
Most people who have paid for this tablet did so for the media consumption capabilities. At least in the general population.
I'm a tad confused that anyone would be considering withdrawal of official support a good thing...
Moved to Q&A.
Just saw an update from a nvidia rep...
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Can someone give me the plain english version?
Between this and the recent google 3.0 annoincement they must be dancing in the streets in Cupertino
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Just saw an update from a nvidia rep...
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Can someone give me the plain english version?
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Does this mean that they are supporting Gtablet Nvidia drivers. ???
Let us all hope Nvida will change there minds after a bunch of emails to support harmony on gingerbread and honeycomb
A good news from Nvidia ???
The newest update from Nvidia looks good (see below).
They will support the gtablet as long as viewsonic supports it. Nvidia is listening.
Now we have to keep the pressure on viewsonic for the support.
UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
Also posted this to Rootzwiki, want to see some discussion on this, pretty exciting, the Touchpad could turn out to be on the best purchases i've ever made.
http://www.winrumors.com/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpad-devices/
HP is testing Microsoft’s Windows 8 developer preview on its TouchPad devices, according to reports.
HP announced in August that it plans to discontinue its TouchPad and pre phones and halt all further webOS device development. The announcement came less than two months after the TouchPad went on sale and sees HP contemplating licensing webOS to third party vendors. HP’s extermination of its TouchPad was undeniably quick but hardly surprising. The device had struggled to sell and some reports suggest that American retail giant Best Buy took delivery of around 270,000 units and only sold around 25,000 of their stock.
Speculation that HP could offer Windows 8 on its existing TouchPad form factor has emerged after Fox News anchor Clayton Morris suggested on his blog on Friday that HP is busy with proof of concept work testing Windows 8 on TouchPad hardware. Morris’ sources hint that HP could be considering a revival of the devices with Windows 8 in mind. HP is currently building additional devices for a second round of fire sales, the company has yet to confirm when they will be made available. Morris also says that the TouchPad and WebOS workers at HP haven’t been made redudant yet. Morris speculates that HTC, LG, Nikon and Amazon are all interested in purchasing HP’s WebOS software.
HP had grand plans to offer webOS on its PC devices, a scenario directed towards Microsoft independence. HP has seemingly scrapped this plan and appears to be on the brink of spinning off its Personal Systems Group (PSG). The group is responsible for consumer and business PCs and accessories along with digital entertainment devices. A sell off would follow a similar approach to IBM who sold its PC division to China-based Lenovo Group in late 2004. The sale would allow HP to focus on its cloud computing and server businesses. HP ships the largest amount of PCs worldwide so any potential sale of that business will drum up significant attention. HP is also rumored to be preparing a Windows 8 tablet for Q3, 2012, alongside offerings from Dell and other hardware vendors.
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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I guess I didn't do my due diligence... I looked around at some of the other post about Windows 8 but they didn't seem to contain any links or references just hopeful thinking on a community driven effort.
It's a mod's problem now...
Nooo there isn't another thread on this... That thread was locked for no reason. Please leave this thread open as this discussion is in the category it belongs in, not under webOS development...
anyway Joe if you find any other news please update your original post, I'm very interested in getting windows 8 on my tp.
I did get a 32gb touchpad in anticipation of windows 8, don't know how big the rom/image? Is going to be
Thanks for posting that information, really interesting.
if this thread doesn't get closed then i'll keep it up to date with any new information.
If the Touchpad does get Windows 8, i'll be in heaven, i have to have Windows to do my work, and current laptops suck, they generate too much heat, take forever to boot and the battery life is a joke.
I do wonder what HP's strategy would be bringing Windows 8 to the Touchpad, unless they are going to start selling them for $500± again, I dont see how it could be profitable for them, with webOS they get to lock you into their market...
My guess is they are using the touchpad hardware because its.readily available. They are probably using it to evaluate and test windows 8. Its pure speculation,but what's probably going on is that there is a person who thinks hp should consider producing such a device. As the touchpad is dead,there are now engineering resources available to explore such projects. They most likely are letting the R&D people keep doing there jobs. If they stopped that,that whole.division they are considing selling would,just like WebOS,become worthless in a very short time. Think of it as HP trying not to repeat the same mistake twice.
It does not mean HP is planning such a device,dozens of such projects are started and abandoned all the time. It also does not mean they are planing on releasing a touchpad version of windows. A device with windows 8 might have similar hardware or perhaps not,but chances are,its just an evaluation. MS probably has most of the drivers they need so its probably an easy thing for them to do with help from Microsoft and presumably qualcom.
HP's perception of good timing is..............bad.
If that's true of course. It goes without saying that if people wanted a Windows 8 tablet, they're gonna go for those new tablets, this one doesn't even have a back camera. There's a stack of reasons why this rumor is simply, false- IMHO.
Now of course if they could get it on there with just a download, I might consider.
But still- Windows 8 won't be here any time soon.
We'll be "lucky" if it comes out by next year. You know what that means....
I for one don't need a camera on a tablet other than the ffc. Have one on my galaxy tab literally used it once. Only reason I see a use for a back cam on these things is maybe for gaming and/or AR type applications.
@pflatlyne&@DreamOWD you both make some good points.
It probably would be retarded for HP to push the Touchpad as a Windows 8 Tablet, they would be wise to introduce some new hardware, a standard USB port and a camera that doesn't look like vomit are probably on the list, but I hoping they continue with their idiocracy(which lead to us getting this tablet for $99 ) and release Windows 8 on the Touchpad.
So the question may very well be, how dumb is HP?
I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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Or microsoft realizes the market share they would get if they update toichpads to it, and the goodwill of consumers talking positively about microsoft.
That said I doubt they will release it
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Well what is official is HP is going to be making Window 8 tablets, whether or not our humble little Touchpad will be blessed with Windows 8 is still up in the air
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/27/...ows-8-long-term-decision-webos-coming-months/
Interesting little video of what Win8 might look like on the TouchPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-a0od9pRU&feature=related
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/09/hp-webos-to-live-on-through-open-source-hardware-lineup-still/
When HP abruptly announced it was discontinuing the TouchPad and ceasing work on any future devices running webOS, we took that to mean the underdog operating system had died a premature death. But when the company ousted bumbling CEO Leo Apotheker and replaced him with Meg Whitman, we had to wonder if webOS might have some life in it yet. Well, the company just came back with a final verdict: the company will continue to develop webOS, as promised, but with the help of the open source community. In other words, webOS as a platform will live on, and developers both inside HP and out will spruce up the OS for interested OEMs (whoever they may be), along with people who already own webOS devices. Says Sam Greenblatt, CTO of the outfit's advanced technologies division: "We looked at all the various options we have on the table. We think this option is the best for the tech industry and HP."
Still, if you were hoping Whitman would resurrect the TouchPad and Pre 3 beyond just another fire sale, we hate to be the bearer of disappointing news. The bottom line: HP's webOS hardware lineup is still dead -- for now, at least. Greenblatt emphasized that HP might later choose to build devices running webOS, the same way any other OEM would evaluate any other operating system. In an interview, company representatives were also quick to say that with the help of developers outside HP, webOS could become a more attractive choice for devices other than phones and tablets (printers, anyone?). Still, though Greenblatt says there has been a "great deal" of interest from companies eyeing the software, it remains unclear which manufactures, if any, will decide to give the OS a more immediate home.
So how long would we have to wait until we see AWESOME webOS hit the forums?
Oh and here's there Press Release...
HP to Contribute webOS to Open Source
HP to enable creativity of the community to accelerate the next-generation web-centric platform
PALO ALTO, Calif., Dec. 9, 2011 – HP today announced it will contribute the webOS software to the open source community.
HP plans to continue to be active in the development and support of webOS. By combining the innovative webOS platform with the development power of the open source community, there is the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices.
webOS offers a number of benefits to the entire ecosystem of web applications. For developers, applications can be easily built using standard web technologies. In addition, its single integrated stack offers multiplatform portability. For device manufacturers, it provides a single web-centric platform to run across multiple devices. As a result, the end user benefits from a fast, immersive user experience.
"webOS is the only platform designed from the ground up to be mobile, cloud-connected and scalable," said Meg Whitman, HP president and chief executive officer. "By contributing this innovation, HP unleashes the creativity of the open source community to advance a new generation of applications and devices."
HP will make the underlying code of webOS available under an open source license. Developers, partners, HP engineers and other hardware manufacturers can deliver ongoing enhancements and new versions into the marketplace.
HP will engage the open source community to help define the charter of the open source project under a set of operating principles:
- The goal of the project is to accelerate the open development of the
webOS platform
- HP will be an active participant and investor in the project
- Good, transparent and inclusive governance to avoid fragmentation
- Software will be provided as a pure open source project
HP also will contribute ENYO, the application framework for webOS, to the community in the near future along with a plan for the remaining components of the user space.
Beginning today, developers and customers are invited to provide input and suggestions at http://developer.palm.com/blog/.
LOL, have you seen the HP web OS guys business card... Here it is
From Google currents:
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Looks like the EVO3D is already running webOS
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/12/...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
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wow no one cares for webOS? I was so ****in stocked i thought this thread would get stickied ahah wow.
LOL, I think its good stuff anything out of the ordinary is cool
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This is a whole new operating system for us and the dev at webOS has a 3d and already got it booted I believe. I'm ****ing stoked
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The EVO 3d boot is 3 months old. But um looking forward to this.
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I also am looking forward to this. I think it would be quite fun to run on BootManager. If they could figure out how to make the android market and apps compatible with webOS that would make even more tempting for many people. I for one am very much so in love with webOS.
It's the only viable option to Android. Seeing it Open Source is such good news.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/03/opi...to-be-made-by-asus-include-quad-core-tegra-3/
Just a rumor. Makes you wonder if this rumor is true...
Just yesterday some Asus exec mentions about Jellybean
I can see 7 in. Tegra 3 (the one they announced at CES) turning into this Android Experience Tablet at $199..... but a 10 in. tablet for $299? Not only that but Transformer Pad 300 with Tegra 3 & 10 in. display will be $399....
Not only that but if we were to guess if those 2 devices are the one Asus exec mentioned about with Jellybean.. you also have to question what Google is thinking. ICS is slowly rolling out (heck, most won't see ICS til 2nd qtr or even after).. but if this is Jellybean launch tablet.. so much for ending Fragmentation (but it makes sense if Jellybean is 4.1 or 4.2.... instead of 5.0).
Either way, you have to wonder where "Prime" will fit in if all of these RUMORS or Asus's plans with Tablets are concerned....
I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus. if rumor holds true then this will really increases their shares of android tablet market. rumor seems legit and very feasible especially since Google and Asus relationship is one of the strongest in the industry. that's why Asus leads all other manufacturers in update roll outs and having latest firmware. makes sense next Google nexus tablet is made by them as it will always have the latest firmware upgrades. plus Asus has one of the most vanilla stock firmware experiences. it doesn't slap bloatware UI like touchwize over the stock android experience.
demandarin said:
I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus.
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Don't really care how "media" is portraying Prime. Majority of the "reviews" from the media are about the same as that author (honestly, it really is a nice device if you ignore the signal issues)...
Anyways, if Google does release a "Nexus" tablet with Asus.. it has to be "Jellybean" as "nexus" tablets are typically a "flagship/launch" device for Android. So, if Asus were to release 7 in. Tegra 3 Tablet and.. even the 10 in. Tablet this year.... you have to wonder how they will market Prime & even TF700 and Pad 300 as they are on ICS or will be launched with ICS. They could simply "upgrade" majority of their Tablets to "jellybean" if they are working closely with Google... but if true..
7 in. at $199, 10 in. at $299 & $399, Prime at $499 (with wifi/gps issues.. although, it could be solved), and TF 700 at $600+.....
So, unless Asus fixes or finds a solution to all of Prime's current issue... MOST Likely.. or the future of Prime looks bleak to me.
But yea, Nvidia should/will be happy if Asus is selected to create "nexus" tablet with Tegra 3 included. Btw, I don't think Google has more faith in Asus over other OEMs... they simply liked the "price" of 7in Memo that was presented at CES.
Aren't nexus devices fully unlocked? Doesn't Asus have a problem with that? Not if google tells them not to.
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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saw an article on that also. supposedly its the new nexus phone.
some more details on this. first the name is rumored to be the GooglePlay. 1280x800 resolution. production starts in April and shipping date is in June.
www.droidgamers.com/index.php/table...ake-the-google-qnexus-tabletq-to-be-quad-core
Think it's a win win for everybody if Google can release a Nexus tablets with a decent price.
More tablets on the market = More people that can buy and want apps = More developers that now can put in some time to do good tablet friendly Apps/Games and know that it worth the time and effort.
The Verge and Andy Rubin about tablets
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2...wn-on-android-tablets-in-2012-says-andy-rubin
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead. Android has none of these advantages. It's not catching on outside of phones.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
Q&A:
>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
e.mote said:
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, are still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should definitely prove that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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That's my point more or less. It isn't because Google has Faith in Asus but simply the "PRICE" that was attractive to Google..
shinzz said:
Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
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price point will be the determining factor. we know Samsung tabs are over priced and has no low end sector really. the tab is still priced higher than comparable tablets with same specs or higher. Sony just released the clamshell dual core 1Ghz processor selling it for $599. are they retarded or something. no one will pay that much for s tablet using very outdated specs.
like said before though, no single android manufacturer can compete with Apple. it will take the whole Android collective to swing the tablet shares and nothing less. just like small businesses in America the foundation, same will go for the perceived smaller tablet manufacturers. As Asus is right behind Samsung in android tablets.
So Android really needs all manufacturers to sell well. only way to do that is catch up to the times and start innovating and coming with new features that will even appeal to apple owners. plus zandroid marketplace needs a huge boost in tablet only apps and needs to dedicate its own section for that. apple just recently hit a milestone with like over 25billion app downloads. in order to compete, the apps n software needs to be a bigger factor. if android just solely focuses on hardware spec boosts, we will never beat apple.
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e.mote said:
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
Q&A:
>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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I agree. price point will be the biggest factor. Samsung can't play ball with apple at their own price point or higher. only way to gain more of a stronghold is to start undercutting prices while still having comparable specs or better. Asus seems like one of the only mainstream ones who know howbto properly price devices. Acer also but even Acer themselves unsure of their Android future.
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wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
demandarin said:
wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
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I think it's obvious that I'm looking forward to Win 8 tablets. To answer your question... Intels cloverfield/medfield x86 SoC will be deciding factor to Win 8 ... Biggest knock on Intel's mobile SoC has been battery life..... but if the battery life is near or close to ARM... You are looking at Win 8 Tablets that'll have fully functional OS to their PC counterpart.
If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Why is Sony a non-factor?
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Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
shinzz said:
If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
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Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
foxmeister said:
Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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I agree, however.. I don't think & seriously doubt it'll be FAR more expensive if all things are equal in hardware wise. By being far more expensive.. as in.. in upwards over $100. Also, Win 8 is being developed to break into tablet market... I doubt Microsoft will charge OEMs excessively ...
Personally I would like to see Google team up with Samsung for Tabs
Super AMOLED HD displays please
shinzz said:
Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
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Sorry, I just used your quote to give some color on Sony as potential player. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else. They're kind of a sleeping giant and everyone underestimates them. They could easily be a bigger player than Samsung in mobile if they could actually get their act together. The key word is “if” because they have a record of squandering opportunities. Appointing a new CEO (the former head of PlayStation) and buying out Ericsson's share of their phone business was a good start.
Look at it this way, if Sony approached Google who has stores set up to sell and distribute content and said "hey, we want to build the Nexus tablet and in return we'll give you access to all our media assets," you think Google would say no? Also Sony and Microsoft with PlayStation and X-Box are like Apple and Google. With W8 leveraging X-Box if I was Sony I'd be looking for a partner with a huge audience in order to counter. People still view Google as a "public service." While they give Android away it's only to get access to an audience for their other money-making products. Google's no more unselfish or concerned about their users when they make decisions than any other public company with shareholders. They may "like" Asus and Samsung but they like money even more.
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If I am being honest, there is never a good time to buy computer parts. You might get a new monitor today, but in a few years or even months, it will be replaced by a new model that will be brighter, sharper, have a higher resolution, or even a faster refresh rate.
Yearly sales
One can anticipate a potential drop in price during recurring yearly sales. Amazon hosts multiple sales throughout the year with the biggest one being Prime Day that is usually hosted in the month of June. Similarly, Newegg is also a good place to buy PC parts at discounted rates during their Supreme Tech, and clearance sales. Additionally, Newegg also has Shell Shocker exclusive deals where prices change every day on different types of products. There are also smaller sales on occasions like Valentine's Day, Labor Day, and of course right before the holiday season.
Black Friday and Cyber Monday are your best bet if you are looking for the best deals on PC parts. These are the biggest electronic sales where you can expect discounts, deals and price drops on a large range of hardware, peripherals, and other small PC parts. Retailers and sellers often host pre-Black Friday sales for long periods and those are not to be missed.
Having said that, don’t expect price drops on every single component. A lot depends on what you want to buy especially if you are seeking a particular model or a brand. There is a good chance that some component is not even included in the sale or the discounted price is not marginally better than the original cost.
Amazon Prime Day - June 21-22, 2021
Black Friday - November 26, 2021
Cyber Monday - November 29, 2021
Generational upgrades
This can be very tricky for the layman. However, if you are a PC enthusiast you can potentially capitalize when a newer generation of product is released. For instance, the introduction of Intel’s new 11th-gen CPUs has led to a small drop in the price of the outgoing 10th-gen CPUs. So yeah, it is s good time to get your hands on Intel’s Comet Lake processors.
The most obvious thing to note here is that you are not getting the latest piece of hardware, potentially missing out on a new feature or two. But if you don’t mind using hardware that is only one generation old, then this is a good way to save some money.
This isn’t always the case though, as it was evident when NVIDIA introduced its new GeForce RTX 3000-series last year. The entire GPU market has fluctuated with older generation parts selling at a premium, almost double the cost of their original retail price.
Price trackers
A good way to stay updated with the changes in the pricing of PC parts is by visiting PCPartPicker if you live in the US and PriceSpy if you live in the UK. These websites offer a breakdown of prices for a particular product from a list of vendors. This helps in comparing components, especially older generation models where you can end up saving a significant amount.
There are various external factors that can affect the price of PC parts. The most recent one is the ongoing chipset crisis along with crypto mining that has lead to an increase in the prices of graphics cards all over the world. Today, getting a new graphics card has become next to impossible, let alone getting one at retail price.
With this general chip storage and mining requirements (RTX and hard drive), I would be glad to buy a piece of hardware at MSRP... Not many deals these days...
The best time to buy computer parts? When you can afford them.
There's a bad time?
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After building many PC's over the years starting in the early '90's there is never a good time to buy PC parts. Every last one of them become obsolete before you drive home and start building. This is why I retired from build PC's as I was always in the hunt for the latest and greatest. I have a stack of MB, graphic cards, HDD's, sound cards etc. You can never keep up. The best advice I can give is to buy the most forward looking motherboard and hopefully you'll get a few years out of it.
The best time to buy anything is when you need it, or, when it's in season.
When it's in stock and on sale.
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I got lucky when I built my Mecha-Godzilla PC a year ago, especially for the video card. Turns out I didn't really need one after all but I thought I did at the time, and I feel lucky for paying less than $200 for an nVidia 1650 (overclocked). So video cards were already expensive but they jumped up even more right after that
kunalneo said:
Getting the right set of computer parts, whether for a brand new PC build or an upgrade, involves a good amount of research and most importantly, patience. It is wise to purchase individual PC parts over a period of time which can help you save some money. But as I mentioned, this requires a lot of patience especially if you have been planning to build a new PC for some time.
If I am being honest, there is never a good time to buy computer parts. You might get a new monitor today, but in a few years or even months, it will be replaced by a new model that will be brighter, sharper, have a higher resolution, or even a faster refresh rate.
Yearly sales
One can anticipate a potential drop in price during recurring yearly sales. Amazon hosts multiple sales throughout the year with the biggest one being Prime Day that is usually hosted in the month of June. Similarly, Newegg is also a good place to buy PC parts at discounted rates during their Supreme Tech, and clearance sales. Additionally, Newegg also has Shell Shocker exclusive deals where prices change every day on different types of products. There are also smaller sales on occasions like Valentine's Day, Labor Day, and of course right before the holiday season.
Black Friday and Cyber Monday are your best bet if you are looking for the best deals on PC parts. These are the biggest electronic sales where you can expect discounts, deals and price drops on a large range of hardware, peripherals, and other small PC parts. Retailers and sellers often host pre-Black Friday sales for long periods and those are not to be missed.
Having said that, don’t expect price drops on every single component. A lot depends on what you want to buy especially if you are seeking a particular model or a brand. There is a good chance that some component is not even included in the sale or the discounted price is not marginally better than the original cost.
Amazon Prime Day - June 21-22, 2021
Black Friday - November 26, 2021
Cyber Monday - November 29, 2021
Generational upgrades
This can be very tricky for the layman. However, if you are a PC enthusiast you can potentially capitalize when a newer generation of product is released. For instance, the introduction of Intel’s new 11th-gen CPUs has led to a small drop in the price of the outgoing 10th-gen CPUs. So yeah, it is s good time to get your hands on Intel’s Comet Lake processors.
The most obvious thing to note here is that you are not getting the latest piece of hardware, potentially missing out on a new feature or two. But if you don’t mind using hardware that is only one generation old, then this is a good way to save some money.
This isn’t always the case though, as it was evident when NVIDIA introduced its new GeForce RTX 3000-series last year. The entire GPU market has fluctuated with older generation parts selling at a premium, almost double the cost of their original retail price.
Price trackers
A good way to stay updated with the changes in the pricing of PC parts is by visiting PCPartPicker if you live in the US and PriceSpy if you live in the UK. These websites offer a breakdown of prices for a particular product from a list of vendors. This helps in comparing components, especially older generation models where you can end up saving a significant amount.
There are various external factors that can affect the price of PC parts. The most recent one is the ongoing chipset crisis along with crypto mining that has lead to an increase in the prices of graphics cards all over the world. Today, getting a new graphics card has become next to impossible, let alone getting one at retail price.
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roirraW edor ehT said:
I got lucky when I built my Mecha-Godzilla PC a year ago, especially for the video card. Turns out I didn't really need one after all but I thought I did at the time, and I feel lucky for paying less than $200 for an nVidia 1650 (overclocked). So video cards were already expensive but they jumped up even more right after that
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May all your future "rodes" be as bumpy as my life since my current upgrade which started on January 23rd, 2021 and ends at some point in the yet to be determined future, I friggen hope.
Why the glum chum?
Amazon. Amazon is the reason for my bumpiness. Due 3x bad MSI B550 Carbon Wifi motherboards, followed by 2x altogether WRONG Gigabyte Wifi Elite z390 INTEL boards which were supposed to be Gigabyte Aorus Master x570 AMD boards, since I already had a Ryzen 5 3600 cpu waiting, and had also paid for at more than double the cost of the wrongfully delivered board - and this is where the inexplicable and nasty starts - at which point I was told that they would offer no other replacements, my only ootion being that once I returned the 5th board <as if I didn't return the first 4 promptly or notify them when they sent me 2 of the same product and returned the extra insulated water bottle as im an honest.. idiot>, they would send the 2 refunds.
They eventually sent back the refund for the Aorus <I had double paid for the first MSI board, and then upgraded to the Aorus Master with my tax return, so at one point was out $700ish to this mess>, but the initial 285.88 that I paid for the MSI Carbon board in January, which bank account by then had been closed for months, <an account that had been closed 3 months without my knowledge - after the first mb purchase made on Jan 23rd > - and this was now August 16th.
Amazon claims CIBC accepted the refund, CIBC said they didn't recieve it, <and still could not locate the refund with transaction codes given to me to take in to the bank so they could track it down>.
Then Amazon made a promise to rectify the issue within 72 hours after making me wait 15 more business days, after which they said 'too bad, we arent going to do anything'.
Thats not even bringing up the fact that I had explained to them that I had JUST been illegally evicted <after 5 years of residence> by the new landlord who wanted to jack the rent way up, like everywhere else during covid, and that I was living in my car <a Coupe no less> with my cat and dog for 2 months and was out of money. I also had a storage unit full of my things, costing me monthly until I could find another apartment.
So, I've had a brand new Phanteks white case, with aio rgb addressable liquid cooling, a new cpu still in box, new white 850 watt platinum plus ps fully modular, killer addressable rail rgbs, 2 sticks of white Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600mhz cl15 ram, new white grouped cables with rgb combs, m.2 512mb nvme pcie 4, corsair dark core rgb mouse, all gathering dust, until it was stolen while someone "helped" me move. I did talk to a buddy of mine, who is the right guy to know, and got it all back, BUT STILL WITHOUT A MB AMAZON. I started a new job, but by the time I backpay covid debt, and save up, itll be obsolete again. oh and i saved up the parts to build it, and did get to use it for a glorious 2 weeks before MSI Carbon board number 2 took a dump. All 3 had flashback bios issues. I spent days and weeks on them trying to get them going again. Never had bios flashing issues that i couldnt recover before those. Im 43, been building my whole life.
Oh, right, my point.. sorry didnt expect all that despite leaving out all kinds of details - I had to stick with my pair of MSI 970 GTXs 4MB Gaming gpus, selling one along with my old rig to afford the new parts because i couldnt find ANY that were anywhere NEAR affordable.
Hence the bumpy rode wishes, but not really obv just jerking around bro, seriously. Glad you got yours before things went full retard.
1st total upgrade in abour 12 years, after mb mods kept my Asus Crosshair V Formula Z relevant, even now. I have pictures of my gloriously short run, during the two weeks, if anyone is interested pm me. Sorry to detract from thread. All 3 24" Samsung monitors, also collecting that figuratively tear stained dust.
What? Fine. Not ALL figurative tears. Stupid covid. Hulk sad.
When the college/university midterm ends as students sell their desktops looking for laptops.
Right before a new hardware release comes out and there is a large amount of supply