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does anyone know roughly when we are getting the official Android 2.2 or 2.3? I am curious...if its not any time soon, then I'll probably just root it and flash it myself. let me know. thanks
I work for verizon and just got an email, it will officially launch the 77th of Nevuary...
J/k
No one knows, I do work for big red and can tell you theres been no talk that I have caught wind of. You're best off flashing yourself. Why wait for an ota update when theres a few options that are a lot faster and cool than any official release will ever be.
Within the next 12 years sometime.
Vote with your money never buy Samsung phones.
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Really. Another of of these. Just flash adrynalynes super clean 2.9.1
sent from my fascinating fascinate eating delicious froyo.
Yeah...tomorrow
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Vote with your money never buy Samsung phones.
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I really loved Samsung's hardware over every other thing out there. But their lack of updating has made HTC my next go to Android.
Better stock UI, unlocked bootloader, and by far faster at getting updates out. Plus cyanogenMod works on like every HTC device and that looks really nice.
Can't believe sammy f'ed up this bad on their galaxy s phones. Especially considering how many were sold.
Just root, there's barely a chance that we're going to see an official update.
With accessories sold that require 2.2 to fully function, of course there will be an official update. Why do people not understand that?
This really sucks...I was hoping to hear some good news. The upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2 was definitely a noticeable improvement on the droid. I suppose I'll have to root it now.
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This really sucks...I was hoping to hear some good news. The upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2 was definitely a noticeable improvement on the droid. I suppose I'll have to root it now.
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I miss my Droid. I'm thinking of buying another one. I miss Gingerbread.
Thought I'd jump in before the lock. I was running 2.3 on my eris just fine and it also never received a official 2.2 update.(thanks kaos)
To answer the ops question, no one knows when it will be released.
Just root and flash sc 2.9.1
At this point the only thing the offical release will give us is source for better kernal mods
I don't know if its just me. But are HTC Amaze owners like LAST to get anything? I swear it looks like there has been a leaked ICS for every phone but ours. Crap, even the 5 year old HD2 from HTC has an ICS ROM. If HTC is really testing the ICS (Which Im starting to doubt) for the Amaze, we would at least hear SOMETHING from them besides, (er... 1st Quarter 2012). I don't know, starting to me sound like they just string us along.
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I don't know if its just me. But are HTC Amaze owners like LAST to get anything? I swear it looks like there has been a leaked ICS for every phone but ours. Crap, even the 5 year old HD2 from HTC has an ICS ROM. If HTC is really testing the ICS (Which Im starting to doubt) for the Amaze, we would at least hear SOMETHING from them besides, (er... 1st Quarter 2012). I don't know, starting to me sound like they just string us along.
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I dunno if it's just me but it appears a few people's timelines are messed up. From every resource I've found the htc hd2 was released at the earliest 3-4quarter 2009 which makes it... Closer to 2.5 years old /off soapbox. But no, this isn't the case there are many, many phones without the hd2 is a great developer phone and due to its popularity and time it's been out the devs know it in and out and what needs to be done to get ics working, same with the vibrant, now. Last I checked gs2 doesn't have any ics. And nor does the mytouch lg devices and afaik mytouch slide among others I could be wrong but I don't believe so. Anyway man we'll get ics. Just takes time it's only been released for a few months now.
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Gs2 does have ICS look it up on youtube
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I don't believe the tmobile version does not sure about others, like I said based on last time I checked. But either way there are multiple phones without ics. And ours will come patience is a virtue.
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Crap, even the 5 year old HD2 from HTC has an ICS ROM.
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LOL I had ICS on my HD2 before it died
Like LordDart said HD2 has alot of dev support which is what made it rock but yea anyways we'll eventually get ICS either from HTC or X.
It does suck though that they keep delaying it, but like many people have already said, better to wait and get something badass rather then get some half assed ICS port. I personally dont mind the wait too much since atleast we have gingerbread which isnt bad at all unlike some of the older versions like Froyo.
Thanks rx, plus, jeez I'm coming from a vibrant... Now we got really screwed. We didn't get official froyo for a long frigging time... And the difference between froyo and eclair was... Well the difference between champagne and carbonated piss... So waiting on froyo for that long was dang frustrating. Even our roms didn't have working gps on froyo for a long time, never got real cm support. Afaik. But now? Now the development there is ridiculously awesome. It's still a great phone. But yeah our phone is smooth and snappy as is... Unlike the vibrant ran outta box. For many months... So don't feel too bad we have a solid phone with some great devs.
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I don't believe the tmobile version does not sure about others, like I said based on last time I checked. But either way there are multiple phones without ics. And ours will come patience is a virtue.
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I just left the t-mobile gs2. There is no ICS rom. There is also still no official word from Samsung about the update. They say the gs2 will get but no mention of the t-mobile variant. So at least the amaze is mentioned.
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I just left the t-mobile gs2. There is no ICS rom. There is also still no official word from Samsung about the update. They say the gs2 will get but no mention of the t-mobile variant. So at least the amaze is mentioned.
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im working on ics over there for them too guys haha
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im working on ics over there for them too guys haha
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I saw that a couple of days before I made the move over here. I need to get a new computer so I can root this thing.
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I know we don't have any ICS kernel sources yet but do you think we will get ICS before this August?
I thought I read somewhere that we were getting it in the next month or two. I would assume we would have a good working ICS port at the least in the next month or two. Can't speak for the devs here, but I thought that's what we were looking at. As for when ATT will push it out, that could be forever...I hate how long they take, but oh well.
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I know we don't have any ICS kernel sources yet but do you think we will get ICS before this August?
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do you think the cubs will win the world series this year? not likely but how will we know the answer either of these questions without official word...
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I thought I read somewhere that we were getting it in the next month or two. I would assume we would have a good working ICS port at the least in the next month or two. Can't speak for the devs here, but I thought that's what we were looking at. As for when ATT will push it out, that could be forever...I hate how long they take, but oh well.
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No, you're thinking about the i9100, not the i777
I'm sorry but just go and get a galaxy nexus ...no matter how good those roms are for all the other phones....there's no full ics google experience guaranteed on them other phones.....that's in my opinion
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njd15 said:
I'm sorry but just go and get a galaxy nexus ...no matter how good those roms are for all the other phones....there's no full ics google experience guaranteed on them other phones.....that's in my opinion
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The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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i'm a noob, but
Didn't I just read that if you remove the AT&T logo, you get ics automatically?
trell959 said:
The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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Having used ICS on the captivate, it truly is an update worth switching devices for. However, I'm pretty happy with the I777 so I will just wait. Android updates that were actually really good: Froyo, Honeycomb, and ICS. The rest were just hyped too damn much and gingerbread is the worst of all of them (imho).
Wow. Use the sticky thread.
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trell959 said:
The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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For one, it's not just ICS when Jellybean comes out, you're going to get it much quicker than anyone else. And also, it's the purest form of the Android version minus any bloatware each manufacturer puts on the phone, which can be either a pro or a con, but overall, the bloatware has been a con in the past.
IMO, Gingerbread was a very good update, Froyo didn't seem that special when I finally got it for my S7. The biggest improvement was non-broken radio firmware, which had nothing to do with Android version.
Gingerbread had significant power management improvements.
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Didn't I just read that if you remove the AT&T logo, you get ics automatically?
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Im still trying to rub it off!
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Tired of waiting!!!!
I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I mean I understand sorta, but it doesn't help to threaten the devs that if they don't do what you want you will leave. Tbh, I don't think any dev really cares.
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I mean I understand sorta, but it doesn't help to threaten the devs that if they don't do what you want you will leave. Tbh, I don't think any dev really cares.
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I am not threatening the devs at all. I am sick of Samsung not the devs. Read a little more careful next time.
chadrick.7 said:
I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I keep hearing about source being released within the next month, just wait it out
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I keep hearing about source being released within the next month, just wait it out
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I am really trying!!!
chadrick.7 said:
I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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What the hell is your problem? Name one phone other than the Nexus line that has received ICS officially.
HTC hasn't released any updates yet.
Motorola hasn't released any updates yet.
Sony has only released betas (I applaud them for putting out prereleases)
Asus has only pushed it to one tablet (easier to port HC tablets due to HC being a newer codebase and not having to deal with the RIL) and that was an utter disaster
So far, my experience with ICS is that it's not an improvement over Gingerbread. I haven't been able to see any significant positive improvement - some parts of the UI are a bit shinier, but the gapps user interface is clunker than it was in GB. ICS has some good improvements on tablets, but for phones - not so nice.
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What the hell is your problem? Name one phone other than the Nexus line that has received ICS officially.
HTC hasn't released any updates yet.
Motorola hasn't released any updates yet.
Sony has only released betas (I applaud them for putting out prereleases)
Asus has only pushed it to one tablet (easier to port HC tablets due to HC being a newer codebase and not having to deal with the RIL) and that was an utter disaster
So far, my experience with ICS is that it's not an improvement over Gingerbread. I haven't been able to see any significant positive improvement - some parts of the UI are a bit shinier, but the gapps user interface is clunker than it was in GB. ICS has some good improvements on tablets, but for phones - not so nice.
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First of all I said that I APPRECIATE the devs!!!! And I never said that the roms were official. Almost all HTC and LG phones have ICS roms. I left t-mobile with the htc sensation and believe me that phone runs 300% better now that it is running ICS. And by the way Entropy it is no disrespect to any dev by what I said, I am rocking your Kernel right now (Excellent job). I am pissed at Samsung and them only. Our phone is supposed to be a flagship phone so what the hell is the holdup?
If you can't wait then just go get the G Nexus. These questions have been brought up and beaten to death. Just don't be surprised when Ics finally drops for our device and our Roms are superior than most. GS2 surely has the hardware to run prety much anything smoothly and dev community is strong here
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This thread is useless. Now on to something more important. When will we get jelly bean? I can't wait.
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Read here
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ng-GALAXY-Note-instead-of-Android-4.0_id27693
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I actually wouldnt mind skipping ics and getting jellybean instead
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A long time ago, Samsung promised to release an additional update wih more S-Pen software and better functionality. I dont remember when, but it was at least a few weeks ago. Search aound and youll find it. Angry Birds space isnt an update. Its a completely new game. Just like Rovio does whenever it has a new theme...Rio...Seasons...you get the idea. So unless the Korean translations were crap (Sammy is known for their terrifying translations...remember the galaxy tab site?) this means that there will be a software update (either a ROM or a update for the S-Memo type apps) and a new "suite" of apps that we'll get from the Samsung app store that'll include a note specific version of Angry Birds space with a free bonus episode and(that others will have to purchase via in app purchasing), and a note-only bonus level.
In short...Samsung never once mentioned anything along the lines of a "value pack"...in fact, on the contrary. This is speak of a galactic update.
Not to mention the fact that there are already official ICS ROM leaks...and Samsung has announced the update already for couple countries.
If you had read the article and checked the source,you'd know that there is actually 0 evidence of this.
Weird logical leap. Note will get ICS.
They're skipping ICS and going to blow everyone away with JellyBean. Right?
It would be stupid for them to not release ICS for the note or the galaxy S II phones all these phones have great specs for running ICS. Besides if they don't release it there will be many roms available
Canadian carriers clearly show ICS available 2012 would really suck if they lie.
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Remember the post refers to the international Note, and the International Note already has leaked ICS. So likely it will get official ICS.
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it is coming. just don't know when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk#t=02m40s
stulzerl said:
it is coming. just don't know when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk#t=02m40s
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Broken Link bud.
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stulzerl said:
it is coming. just don't know when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk#t=02m40s
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Sigh. =/ can you update us?
I don't have good news but I can share what the experience was for us Samsung Infuse 4g users.
We all started with Froyo and the promise of a Ginger Bread update. Here we are many months later still on Froyo. There was an official Update to Ginger Bread in the beginning of February that was promptly pulled because of all the issues it had.
When I saw that the note was supposed to be released with Ginger Bread with the promise of an ICS update ... I was stunned at the similarity of what Samsung was doing. I am almost certain we even got an Angry Birds update somewhere in August... yet we still to this date have Froyo.
With this in mind and the Fact that Samsung isnt being a speedy updater.. I would suggest moving forward and making the most of what you have right now.
I hope they release your ICS soon but the fact that there are leaks means nothing...we have had Ginger Bread leaks since october last year. Thus it is no indication of an official release. It is more like small teases to keep us on the string.
On the bright side we have had several great devs over at the Infuse 4g forums that made our lives a little easier. Taking the GB leaks and developing ROMs. Most of the ROMs were great and were indeed GB based ROMs. There were a couple of issues however. No Bluetooth and HDMI support as the kernels the devs had to work with didn't support them for some reason. I am sure they explained it a million times.. LOL.
Dman ... who developed several great ROMs and a few ports.. was amazing. I heard he now had a gnote. So cross your fingers that he will be doing some great work here as well.
To sum up...
Don't get in a hurry for an Update to ICS. Don't believe what Samsung or ATT says about Samsung updates PERIOD.
Myself....I will be holding out for the note until I see an official ICS.
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This is why I have ALWAYS been so shy about going to a Samsung phone.
Good thing is, if something with similar hardware releases with ICS, we'll have the drivers we need and we can just Root and jump on the ROM train.
That's why I decided on Samsung this time around.
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This is why I have ALWAYS been so shy about going to a Samsung phone.
Good thing is, if something with similar hardware releases with ICS, we'll have the drivers we need and we can just Root and jump on the ROM train.
That's why I decided on Samsung this time around.
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everything changed with LTE coming to ATT...if there was no LTE in ATT note or International Gnote also had LTE, then i am sure we could port Int Gnote's rom....
Thats what happened with Captivate...
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everything changed with LTE coming to ATT...if there was no LTE in ATT note or International Gnote also had LTE, then i am sure we could port Int Gnote's rom....
Thats what happened with Captivate...
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I don't doubt there will be ports or anything. That's the main factor that got me to go ahead with this phone, the great community here at XDA!!
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I don't doubt there will be ports or anything. That's the main factor that got me to go ahead with this phone, the great community here at XDA!!
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There won't be ports.. they're completely different devices :/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW...UCGXQYbcTJ33bKVnsGmCOvjxFwie3CXg1dO5_DiLQaHR0
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Cool we have confirmation of ics!
For US phones, basically unless you get one of the Nexus phones, you should never expect to get any timely OTA updates. It's still mostly the US phone carriers to blame more so than the phone vendors themselves. Like I'm sure Samsung isn't actually intentionally delaying ICS forever on purpose.
it is coming in may
Ice Cream Sandwich for AT&T Galaxy Note confirmed for release in the coming months
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/22/att...eam-sandwich-including-the-motorola-atrix-4g/
Hell yeah Pantech!
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*REPOST*
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1558881
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*REPOST*
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1558881
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That post has nothing to do with the AT&T note. Actually, it has nothing to do with the I717 which is what this thread is for if I'm not mistaken.
^ boom
haha
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Oh but almighty GIZMODO says so today...
http://gizmodo.com/5895686/a-bunch-of-att-android-phones-are-about-to-get-an-ice-cream-sandwich-update
"In the coming months"
nothing to be excited about.
It's like saying "this year"
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That post has nothing to do with the AT&T note. Actually, it has nothing to do with the I717 which is what this thread is for if I'm not mistaken.
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Yes it does.. it is in your section and says "Galaxy Note" in the title. Everyone here hates the international version, so why wouldn't it be about your version?
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Yes it does.. it is in your section and says "Galaxy Note" in the title. Everyone here hates the international version, so why wouldn't it be about your version?
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I don't hate the International version? I have never seen anyone here hate on the International version? I believe it is the other way around.
We really don't need to bicker, do we. Theirs\ours. They are all the Note. Get over it. Each has it's advantages\disadvantages.
Here's another report I was reading.
http://www.androidcentral.com/att-provides-ics-list-nothing-surprise-us
RoloRacer on Galaxy Note!
There was also the fb reply in the other post confirming ics for att note
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Wow am I getting tired of reading these same press releases OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER...
Yea, we get it, ICS is coming out for the Note in the coming months.
Given Samsungs track record, it isnt going to happen anytime soon.
Given ATT's track record, it REALLY isnt going to happen any time soon.
What the hell does 'coming soon' mean?
Talk to any Captivate owner if you want to get an idea here. There were press releases and blaring horns about Gingerbread is coming soon for the Captivate and guess what? The Captivate just got Gingerbread 2 months ago, and ATT couldnt even be bothered to push it OTA, it has to be installed via a PC. Oh yea, tons of press releases about an imminent release of GB for the Captivate too. Shame it took a year to get anything out.
While I understand newer people that are not familiar with how Samsung works might very well be getting excited about this and feel the need to post every link they can find about some rumour and speculation (of an ICS release) or YET ANOTHER press release stating the exact same thing the 50 press releases released before have stated but trust me when I tell you, all of this is alot of empty fanfare.
The international version will get ICS soon (probably 2 months (my guess June) until they BEGIN to start rollouts starting with Korea and ENDING with the United States and finally Mexico probably late this year around Christmas time at the earliest).
So let me spell it out for you, it isnt going to happen very quickly and I really wish people would stop posting these links. There are fifty billion threads on just the ATT Note forums alone about how ICS will be coming soon with no details beyond 'its coming soon', 'yay for more apps that use the SPen', and 'hey, its ICS'.
*sigh*
Given ATT's track record, it REALLY isnt going to happen any time soon
Why is everyone hating on ATT for this? I mean I can hate on them for about everything else. Are they not the ONLY one to release an ICS update so far for a non Nexus phone?
They released it for the HTC Vivid. Has any other carrier released an ICS update for a non ICS original phone? I'm currious...
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Given ATT's track record, it REALLY isnt going to happen any time soon
Why is everyone hating on ATT for this? I mean I can hate on them for about everything else. Are they not the ONLY one to release an ICS update so far for a non Nexus phone?
They released it for the HTC Vivid. Has any other carrier released an ICS update for a non ICS original phone? I'm currious...
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I think people are not exactly comparing apples to apples here. Comparing the note to the captivate is pretty stupid. Att is pretty well vested in android now where as they were not before the captivate. By the time they announced gb for it, there were much better phones out. With att announcing ics for the note now and not having anything else as a flagship device I can see them working a bit faster than the captivate. Also, att released ics for the vivid before the vivids counterparts from other countries. I'm sick of people acting like they're fortune tellers because they used to own a ****ty phone that didn't get updated because there were better phones out. Oh and I own a craptivate myself
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The LG Thrill got it's update to GB around the five month mark so att is getting better at releasing updates faster.
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I don't really care about the time frame. It's enough just to know it is being worked on. I am more interested in seeing how Google is going to kill fragmentation which ICS was supposed to do. People still have phones/tablets that will never see the update.
littlewierdo said:
Wow am I getting tired of reading these same press releases OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER...
Yea, we get it, ICS is coming out for the Note in the coming months.
Given Samsungs track record, it isnt going to happen anytime soon.
Given ATT's track record, it REALLY isnt going to happen any time soon.
What the hell does 'coming soon' mean?
Talk to any Captivate owner if you want to get an idea here. There were press releases and blaring horns about Gingerbread is coming soon for the Captivate and guess what? The Captivate just got Gingerbread 2 months ago, and ATT couldnt even be bothered to push it OTA, it has to be installed via a PC. Oh yea, tons of press releases about an imminent release of GB for the Captivate too. Shame it took a year to get anything out.
While I understand newer people that are not familiar with how Samsung works might very well be getting excited about this and feel the need to post every link they can find about some rumour and speculation (of an ICS release) or YET ANOTHER press release stating the exact same thing the 50 press releases released before have stated but trust me when I tell you, all of this is alot of empty fanfare.
The international version will get ICS soon (probably 2 months (my guess June) until they BEGIN to start rollouts starting with Korea and ENDING with the United States and finally Mexico probably late this year around Christmas time at the earliest).
So let me spell it out for you, it isnt going to happen very quickly and I really wish people would stop posting these links. There are fifty billion threads on just the ATT Note forums alone about how ICS will be coming soon with no details beyond 'its coming soon', 'yay for more apps that use the SPen', and 'hey, its ICS'.
*sigh*
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Given ATT's track record, it REALLY isnt going to happen any time soon
Why is everyone hating on ATT for this? I mean I can hate on them for about everything else. Are they not the ONLY one to release an ICS update so far for a non Nexus phone?
They released it for the HTC Vivid. Has any other carrier released an ICS update for a non ICS original phone? I'm currious...
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You know everyone saod the samw crap about the atrix getting gb....it onky took about 4/5 months to go drom froyo to gb... I got it at launch and it honestly did not seem to take that long to get gb
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