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If you read the comments there are A LOT of people commenting about the poor Wifi. Looks like the delay is true.
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If you read the comments there are A LOT of people commenting about the poor Wifi. Looks like the delay is true.
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The existence of an issue with wifi, even among a large number of users, does not confirm the delay. It confirms that what people receiving delay notices from Canadian retailers have been told is probably true.
That does not mean every prime exhibits the issue, or that there is a delay everywhere.
Sold 300 white mice when so many people have gone to help test out shows is not the Asus to the complaints of fruit daily.
My thoughts exactly.
That being said, the undercurrent in that thread seems pretty obvious.
tdrussell said:
Sold 300 white mice when so many people have gone to help test out shows is not the Asus to the complaints of fruit daily.
My thoughts exactly.
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You had me at mice .
The iffy GPS signal is disconcerting, since basically we have a tablet on our hands which has some serious shielding and detuning going on with all the antennas due to the metal cover. I wonder how this slipped through the engineers at Asus..
That thread is b.s. For one, the translation is horrible. Second it's not several members. It's mostly the first poster. His post takes up most of the page as it shows different dates he posted. There was actually only like 2 people reported issues with wifi. The Bluetooth guy had problems connecting to some external gps device or something. That doesn't mean there is a Bluetooth problem. Could've meant he didn't set it up properly.
Nice try...lmao. Stop believing and feeding the hype/rumors...has nothing to do wth u.s. Shipments. For all we know, u.s. Shipments are perfectly fine. Stop cherry pickn info to feed the hysteria..lol
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That thread is b.s. For one, the translation is horrible. Second it's not several members. It's mostly the first poster. His post takes up most of the page as it shows different dates he posted. There was actually only like 2 people reported issues with wifi. The Bluetooth guy had problems connecting to some external gps device or something. That doesn't mean there is a Bluetooth problem. Could've meant he didn't set it up properly.
Nice try...lmao. Stop believing and feeding the hype/rumors...has nothing to do wth u.s. Shipments. For all we know, u.s. Shipments are perfectly fine. Stop cherry pickn info to feed the hysteria..lol
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Read the comments... Not just the first page. There are pages and pages of comments from different users talking about the Wifi. Yes the translation is bad but you can still see words about Wifi Problem, Signal Weak, and such.
But update from TheVerge about Asus denying rumours http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/10/2627270/asus-denies-rumors-of-transformer-prime-delay
Could be interesting how this turns out.
I read the whole thread in Chinese, most if not all of them said the signal was weaker as compared to, say, a laptop, but very few, if any actually said wifi was completely malfuctioning. Some said their wifi worked from 30m away. Some people said it was because of interference from other 2.4GHz devices that caused the signal to be weaker, removing those devices fixed the issue for them. Nice try, but no cigar.
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I read the whole thread in Chinese, most if not all of them said the signal was weaker as compared to, say, a laptop, but very few, if any actually said wifi was completely malfuctioning. Some said their wifi worked from 30m away. Some people said it was because of interference from other 2.4GHz devices that caused the signal to be weaker, removing those devices fixed the issue for them. Nice try, but no cigar.
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not to mention that the first thing that happens with a new device like this is that all the happy costumers are happily playing with their new toy and only the ones with some problems end up being the ones on forums making it seem like its a huge proportion who have some problem.
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I read the whole thread in Chinese, most if not all of them said the signal was weaker as compared to, say, a laptop, but very few, if any actually said wifi was completely malfuctioning. Some said their wifi worked from 30m away. Some people said it was because of interference from other 2.4GHz devices that caused the signal to be weaker, removing those devices fixed the issue for them. Nice try, but no cigar.
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Aha! The Chinese connection! Thank you, much better than trying to slog through a machine translation.
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I read the whole thread in Chinese, most if not all of them said the signal was weaker as compared to, say, a laptop, but very few, if any actually said wifi was completely malfuctioning. Some said their wifi worked from 30m away. Some people said it was because of interference from other 2.4GHz devices that caused the signal to be weaker, removing those devices fixed the issue for them. Nice try, but no cigar.
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Thanks for the real translation.
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Thanks for the real translation.
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you know i see most of your posted and you come off extremely biased, your always against anything bad being said about it. Or even mad at people who express worry about the wifi problems. Even if your right, it seems like your not even assuming its possible to be wrong.
just saying, when ever i see any of your posts im kinda happy because i can always count on you to back up the prime, but it all seems to biased to be 100% credible.
This along with the AndroidCentral reviewer who just yesterday tested his review unit's Wifi after these reports came out, and found:
Signal strength apps aside (real world use trumps numbers), the Prime does have a bit weaker signal when a good distance from my router (Netgear wireless N dual-band model) when compared to most other phones, Netbooks, or the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-transformer-prime-possibly-delayed-until-2012-wifi-issues
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This along with the AndroidCentral reviewer who just yesterday tested his review unit's Wifi after these reports came out, and found:
Signal strength apps aside (real world use trumps numbers), the Prime does have a bit weaker signal when a good distance from my router (Netgear wireless N dual-band model) when compared to most other phones, Netbooks, or the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-transformer-prime-possibly-delayed-until-2012-wifi-issues
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Well how could it be stronger than the other devices? It has a freaking full metal backing...
Everyone who thinks that ASUS just invented metal penetrating Wifi is just a fool.
You guys have to be aware that we WILL have worse wifi/bluetooth/GPS reception with the Prime.
There is no doubt about that. BUT the real question is if we are going to suffer from this.
Even my Laptop can't get more than 30mbps if it stands directly next to the router. And I don't freaking care. I don't need such speeds on my laptop.
And I won't need them on my Prime.
I guess 90% here don't even know what 30mbps means...
They just see "ISSUE/DEFECT/MALFUNCTION" and run away screaming... Bloody XDA users...
(@Quoted: Not sure what your point was, I just quoted you because it had a reference to my point )
The AnandTech reviewer compared the Prime to the TF101, and found a significantly slower average speed, and specifically said "One thing is for sure, the Prime is going to be far more finicky than its predecessor when it comes to reaching peak speeds over WiFi."
The AndroidCentral reviewer compared the Prime to a Samsung Galaxy and other devices in the same class.
No one is running away screaming. No need for the hyperbole. It seems that some take any reports of a problem with the Prime as a personal attack that must be defended. The fact is, this is an electronic device, and this is an enthusiast forum, where the specifics of the device will be measure and discussed. Hopefully most can do this objectively.
My guess is those guys reporting issues and delay freak outs are actually from apple. They're scared ****less.
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you know i see most of your posted and you come off extremely biased, your always against anything bad being said about it. Or even mad at people who express worry about the wifi problems. Even if your right, it seems like your not even assuming its possible to be wrong.
just saying, when ever i see any of your posts im kinda happy because i can always count on you to back up the prime, but it all seems to biased to be 100% credible.
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Agree, let's all just assume everything doesn't work as designed, based off a bunch of whiners with no personal experience, and use partial (and bad) translations as our basis.
This thread describes that all of our Primes are going to be delayed and insinuates that we'll all have wifi malfunction.
In reality, it's a few people saying they had minor range issues, then the majority of the folk had no problems at all.
Same goes for the stupid GPU wars, speaker placement wars, DSP wars (I'm sure I missed a few, but I try to tune them out). I find it amazing, yet frustrating that people can argue vehemently over something they have zero personal experience with.
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Agree, let's all just assume everything doesn't work as designed, based off a bunch of whiners with no personal experience, and use partial (and bad) translations as our basis.
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What about the reviewers and in-store reports of Wifi issues? Are they "whiners"? Or are they users reporting their experiences. Just because you only want to hear one side of the story, does not mean that anyone who reports an issue is a whiner.
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This thread describes that all of our Primes are going to be delayed and insinuates that we'll all have wifi malfunction.
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I didn't make that assumption. I saw people reporting their experience.
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In reality, it's a few people saying they had minor range issues, then the majority of the folk had no problems at all.
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Your bias is really showing here. Have you taken a survey of all the current users, and can state that the majority of the folk had no problems at all? What about the Anadtech reviewer?
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What about the Anadtech reviewer?
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One, or two, or even twenty anecdotal pieces of case evidence do not make a majority or even a trend.
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What about the reviewers and in-store reports of Wifi issues? Are they "whiners"? Or are they users reporting their experiences. Just because you only want to hear one side of the story, does not mean that anyone who reports an issue is a whiner.
I didn't make that assumption. I saw people reporting their experience.
Your bias is really showing here. Have you taken a survey of all the current users, and can state that the majority of the folk had no problems at all? What about the Anadtech reviewer?
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I've read probably 50 reviews. I've noted anandtech as an anomaly caused by his multi access point on a single network issues causing less than optimal throughput (not malfunction, as this bull**** thread states). One out of fifty is not a majority.
I don't have multiple access points on my network, so even it it were true, I don't give a crap. The other reviews do not mention it, and they still have their units and are still not mentioning it. What's that tell you? Are they fanboys and have their heads up their collective asses?
This is not a little story. If it were true, and these blogs had the means to corroborate, they most definitely would. The fact is that they DO have the means to corroborate, and they are not reporting wifi issues. What negative spin would you put on that? Freaking whiners.
This is a poll about the many defects our primes are shipping with...
If you dont have an issue at all with any defects then please post a comment here so we can see how many are not having issues.
If you do not have a prime or you dont want to hear any negatives about the pricey device you just purchased then don't post at all please.
Give the guy a break, this is serious issue. We need to know as much as we can so we can decide to get or wait for issue to resolve. Many people are reporting GPS problem. I could pick one up now but not going to until more people chime in that their GPS is working properly.
If you test your GPS make sure it's not using wifi to determine location.
Negative people attract negative energy/negative things. Might be karma for all those nitpicking issues before they even received the prime. They self fulfilled issues..lol. J/k
Seriously, this poll could be a good thing. To address any "Real" issues people are experiencing. I think the title tries to imply this device is riddled with defects, as only some are reporting. There are still plenty of those out there not really having issues. I will make sure to test all these things also when I receive mines. If it does have a minor issue, not a big deal. Either wait for update to fix it or exchange. No device ever released has ever been perfect or didn't have bugs/issues. The most popular tablet of all, apple ipad2, had almost 100% of initial launch supply suffering from backlight bleeding.
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Seriously, this poll could be a good thing. To address any "Real" issues people are experiencing. I think the title tries to imply this device is riddled with defects, as only some are reporting. There are still plenty of those out there not really having issues. I will make sure to test all these things also when I receive mines. If it does have a minor issue, not a big deal. Either wait for update to fix it or exchange. No device ever released has ever been perfect or didn't have bugs/issues. The most popular tablet of all, apple ipad2, had almost 100% of initial launch supply suffering from backlight bleeding.
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I know you dont have a prime yet and have been known to be a troll. This is a poll about transformer prime defects not apple or any other device.
Its not that hard to understand. But i see that kids will be kids i suppose. Anyone that is here for useful information please just ignore the kiddies that plague the transformer prime xda forum.
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I know you dont have a prime yet and have been known to be a troll. This is a poll about transformer prime defects not apple or any other device.
Its not that hard to understand. But i see that kids will be kids i suppose. Anyone that is here for useful information please just ignore the kiddies that plague the transformer prime xda forum.
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idk if you meant to quot his post or not but he was agreeing with the OP unlike the other guys that you didn't quote... This is something good for the forum though the title could be worded a little different?
Why not have a "No issues" in the voting? It will put the other numbers in perspective.
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Why not have a "No issues" in the voting? It will put the other numbers in perspective.
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Agreed. Without that option, it would appear that every Prime has one issue or another.
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Why not have a "No issues" in the voting? It will put the other numbers in perspective.
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+1 I was thinking the same thing. If you have 6 people saying they have problems, and 200 that have no problems, there's no way to capture that. It gives a false impression at first glance.
I would add the opposite for each of your choices.. that those work.
I was going to add that option but it wont let you add to the poll once its already created, sorry but this will still be useful information to see.
Its sad that the only people that have posted are trolls that don't even own a prime let alone have a brain...
Update, just opened my prime. Right after opening it the first thing i noticed was screen bleed/light leak coming from the right side and bottom of the screen. It isnt too bad but noticeable on a total black screen and on the status bar which is black.
Wifi was weak at first but then I did a system update which improved it a bit (i think, seems to fluctuate from low to ok but its better than just being low i suppose).
GPS does not work at all just like everyone else i know who also received their primes.
Thank god I dont have any dead pixels. and my bundled game controller is sexy!
Kick and scream all you want but this device does have defects just like any device, this is a place for people to find out what type of defects to expect. I continue to be amazed with how many childish trolls roam these transformer prime threads but I guess with a name like Transformer Prime it was bound to happen lol
Battery status does not tell me anything. It just says the status is unavailable.
Maybe my prime is bugged to death. GPS issue and now this...
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not a single issue all works.. but its acanadian model... hahh
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Same here.
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You cannot add another option to polls. Sorry, correct me if I am wrong and I will be more than happy to add it.
GPS works nicely for me with a quick lock (12 sats), no WiFi issues buuut there's definite backlight bleeding.
The above image is with max brightness in super ips mode. There is similar spot on the other corner too.
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I was going to add that option but it wont let you add to the poll once its already created, sorry but this will still be useful information to see.
Its sad that the only people that have posted are trolls that don't even own a prime let alone have a brain...
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I have yet to see a single trollish post in this thread besides yours. Ive read nearly every post in this forum and do not think of demandarin as a troll. This information IS somewhat useless without the 'no problems' option. I'm sorry i voted before reading your posts. What may i ask is your age since u seem to think everyone else is a trolling child?
For the sake of data i have very slight light bleed and nonworking gps. Wouldnt trade it for any other tablet though.
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I have a bright spot under my glas. No real dead pixel but more like they are not able to go in the same state like the other pixels around...
Besides this and not working GPS i have no problem: Not dead pixel, no annoying light bleeding, no dust under the screen... The quality is much better than it was with my Transformer.
everyone with an issue chill out and wait for more updates unless its hardware obviously go exchange it
contrary to everyone my gps is perfect so is wifi although i have dead pixles
My seems good. One thing i did notice was when i turned my gps off, the icon still flashes and looks for signal.
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Here's a "useless" post from me: I regrettably returned my Prime today to OD. I was having questionable wifi performance on my Prime. I'm a PC/Network tech that has everything I own tweaked to perfection, including my router. It's the RT-N16 (Asus). 7' away, signal dropped from 20Mbps down to 11Mbps. With Bluetooth on, it dropped to 325Kbps. The serial # started with B___ (I think BCKOS?) I don't have it in front of me, but it's the older hardware version. Anyway, so I had it boxed up two days ago, but unboxed it last night, as I really didn't want to return it. I figured since I had done a hard reset, that MAYBE it would magically fix itself. However, I spent a few hours browsing XDA, and testing the prime as much as I could and still ended up boxing it back up and shipping it out today. Looking around at other options, as I need something for work, I honestly don't want anything else. I want my Prime back... Just... Working.
My buddy is also looking for a tablet, and before I decided to return mine, he was about to purchase one. I called him yesterday and just told him to hold off.. It IS the best tablet out there, but the few quirks just need fixed before it's something I can recommend.
Issues I had with mine:
1. GPS was horrible (never flexed tablet to see if it'd fix it)
2. Wifi at close range worked good, anything more than 5' dropped considerably
3. With Bluetooth on & connected to headset would bring Wifi speeds to a crawl
4. Browser would hang on loading pages, and wouldn't allow scrolling, often times would state that "browser is unresponsive" and ask if i wanted to wait or close
5. Background formatting was a hassle. Nothing ever fit right (unless i followed some 3rd party tweaks)
6. Updates for Camera/GPS never did anything or improved anything.
7. Tegra 3 Optimized games would hang. Often times screen would go haywire or would open & close instantly without loading the game.
Ultimately, it came down to this: I honestly think that the OP was correct that the pins are the main culprit. I don't think it's something that can be fixed via a software update. Also, I am pretty upset that Asus is making the customer pay for shipping. It is their fault these tablets are having these problems, not the customer. I have always been a fan of Asus, and I'm not going to say that the problems with this tablet are going to make me never purchase another Asus product again.. I mean, look at their history with mainboards & video cards.. Some have issues, but you all know that if you were going to put your trust into either of those products, Asus would be something you would feel comfortable recommending.
I don't feel that we should say "poor Asus" and stroke their ego. I think us, as consumers should stand our ground and demand free shipping to the repair facility for a mistake they made. Just as they'd expect you to pay if you broke it and needed it fixed. They broke it, they fix it. Pretty plain and simple. Anyway, good luck to everyone here. I will be closely monitoring this forum, as I really want the issues resolved quickly.. I can't wait to have that beast in my arms again.
Unfortunately I'm in the same boat. Mine is going back this weekend. I gave it two weeks, but random browser freezes, minor light bleed, game crashes, gps, low wifi power, and all the rest add up to a poor user experience. Make your opinion known with your wallet.
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My buddy is also looking for a tablet, and before I decided to return mine, he was about to purchase one. I called him yesterday and just told him to hold off..
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If the pogo pins turn out to be the reason for different wireless performance between Prime's, Asus is going to have to come clean like they did with GPS. They can either do it actively (mea culpa) or passively (change the design on future units). If they take the latter path someone here on XDA will figure it out. Regardless, this seems potentially too big to ignore so hopefully there will be some sort of communication and/or design change. Once either occurs people can buy/re-buy with confidence. An uglier route would be for Asus to continue to produce low volumes of Prime's as-is to save face until the TF700's are available. It's obviously not a customer-centric approach but recoups their investment in the Prime and maintains a revenue stream in the short-term. Although the returns have to be killing them from a profitability perspective.
I've been accused of being a conspiracy theorist so I never mentioned this before. But if you watch this official Asus video from CES, their rep makes a big deal at the beginning about the Prime being sold alongside the TF700. Later in the video when talking about the TF700's back cover design he twice mentions the Prime in the past tense saying "had" and "did have." Don't shoot the messenger.
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After that, I might re-consider my position.
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You guys that are taking such a "the Prime's great" stance might want to be a little less confident in your positions. There are issues large and small that affect more than just a handful of devices. Some of the people that have provided commentary on the more serious wireless issues have been h/w engineers and what’s been discussed can’t be fixed with a Band Aid. This isn't just a case of "fanboys" vs. "haters" like you typically see in most forums.
With today's discussion on the pogo pin choice for connecting the Wi-Fi chip to its antennas, there's some serious questions that need to be answered. As all these issues keep accumulating, keep in the back of your mind Asus announced a new device with identical features to the Prime less than three weeks after it was released. They may co-exist peacefully for a long time or Asus could pull the Prime (or put a non-HD display on the TF700 and call it the TF600) soon after it's released as a way of addressing the Prime's shortcomings. With the amount of returns, RMA’s for repair, and scarcity which points to manufacturing issues, what profit their making is quickly evaporating. And no company continues to produce a product they don't make money on. If they do pull or replace the Prime, many will remember those that staunchly supported the Prime when logic dictates there's something very troubling about how it’s come to market.
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And no company continues to produce a product they don't make money on. If they do pull or replace the Prime, many will remember those that staunchly supported the Prime when logic dictates there's something very troubling about how it’s come to market.
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There you go, putting Asus on the spot again. There is NO WAY they released this tablet without knowing about the GPS, WiFi, WiFi+BT issues. They knew about all of it, but their analysts computed that selling it "as is" would be more profitable than recalling it and fixing it.
For 99% of us, we are happy with screen bleed, bad WiFi range, no GPS, screen colors bad, chargers that fall apart, no BT with Wifi, dead pixels and random reboots. Those issues are non-issues, we love our Primes unconditionally.
Go troll someplace else.
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For 99% of us, we are happy with screen bleed, bad WiFi range, no GPS, screen colors bad, chargers that fall apart, no BT with Wifi, dead pixels and random reboots. Those issues are non-issues, we love our Primes unconditionally.
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If you're being facetious, that's hysterical.
Go troll someplace else.
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If you're being serious, those are big words for someone with a whopping 19 posts, all in this forum, and all this month.
Maybe.
I'm almost 1-for-2 thanks for posts though.
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Maybe.
I'm almost 1-for-1 thanks for posts though.
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Not a difficult strategy to accumulate "thanks." Demandarin's gotten hundreds that way in a few weeks. Simply jump in to any thread that has an even slightly negative slant and unleash a torrent of positive adjectives. That way, those that are blinded by love for their Prime's will in unison give you tons of thanks for contributing nothing of substance to the discussion. Keep up the good work. You should be at a 100 thanks in no time if that's what you're aiming for.
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Not a difficult strategy to accumulate "thanks." Demandarin's gotten hundreds that way in a few weeks. Simply jump in to any thread that has an even slightly negative slant and unleash a torrent of positive adjectives. That way, those that are blinded by love for their Prime's will in unison give you tons of thanks for contributing nothing of substance to the discussion. Keep up the good work. You should be at a 100 thanks in no time if that's what you're aiming for.
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Not my goal Barry, I just try to point out the obvious. I actually agree with most of your posts and have sent you Thanks.
I haven't been around long, but Asus really screwed the pooch on TFP. But for some unknown reason, some people act like TFP is a dear family member and defend it way beyond reason.
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Not my goal Barry, I just try to point out the obvious. I actually agree with most of your posts and have sent you Thanks.
I haven't been around long, but Asus really screwed the pooch on TFP. But for some unknown reason, some people act like TFP is a dear family member and defend it way beyond reason.
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Well shoot, you were being facetious. I love wicked humor.
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Cool starry bra.
This morning I woke up, took a shower and went to work. Then I went to lunch.
Fact is, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU DID!!!!
My TFP has screen bleed, bad WiFi, WiFi/BT issues, no GPS and creaky screen. I don't ask for advice or sympathy. I suck it up and deal with it, knowing that my TFP is the most awesome tablet ever designed.
Good luck with your A700, iPad3, whatever when it comes out. But for the next 2 weeks or so, my TFP will smoke the specs of your next device.
After that, I might re-consider my position.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but if you were talking to me (OP), look at my post:
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I will be closely monitoring this forum, as I really want the issues resolved quickly.. I can't wait to have that beast in my arms again.
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Meaning: I loved my Prime.. No question, hands down it was awesome. Unfortunately for me, using this for business (as I also stated in OP) wasn't an option. And, again, as I stated above, I will be repurchasing it. Just, after the issues that I have with it are fixed. I didn't complain and ask for opinions either.. I formulated my own and acted on my opinion well before posting this.
What's the point of a forum, if you can only post good things about a product? I don't have to agree with your statements, nor do you have to agree with mine.. Both are acceptable! I say, by all means man, if it works for you, keep it! I would too if I didn't have to rely on adequate wifi, or the occasional GPS lock. I was fine with the games crashing.. I didn't want it for games. But all the problems added up to something I feel would ultimately be useless for me to utilize.
If you weren't talking to me, disregard all the above
I get 10 meg down approx 30-35 feet away through 4 walls. The same or better tests than I get with my other devices.
I used to be able to lock GPS still, but not moving, after a pinch near the GPS connector I can lock fine while going 70mph.
No crashes.
No screen bleed.
No color issues or bright spots.
No force closing apps so far.
Dock connects solidly and works great.
Sucks to be y`all.
Yeah, my screen was perfect.. The light bleed was next to zero.. Nothing more than any other devices I own. I also had no dead pixels. Upon upgrading to ICS (did it within the first 5 hours owning it) I had I think 2 random reboots, that was the first day I owned it. Didn't have any after that. I didn't want to pinch the screen, because I was scared of denting it or breaking it, and knowing my luck, it would have happened moments before returning it . I contemplated picking up a newer serial # one, but while in OD, they didn't have any in stock.. I was hoping maybe they had one on display that I could have checked to see if performance was better (browser/wifi) and then just grab another. I posted my serial # above to also let people know, that I was evidently in the group with "older hardware". So, my experiences may have been a bit limited.. I feel naked without mine now
Edit: Kids also keep asking me to get it back because I purchased a few of the Bearenstain Bears books, as well as some free books for kids on the kindle marketplace.. Probably the one thing I miss most. Ha.
Not that it matter or you care, but I have the BC serial that is "older hardware."
Gary posted a possible fix of manually reverting back to HC, changing some setting to what appears to be "normal" and then re-updating to ICS. I didn't touch a thing before upgrading to ICS, but I know some of you got yours before ICS was out.
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Not that it matter or you care, but I have the BC serial that is "older hardware."
Gary posted a possible fix of manually reverting back to HC, changing some setting to what appears to be "normal" and then re-updating to ICS. I didn't touch a thing before upgrading to ICS, but I know some of you got yours before ICS was out.
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What's it supposed to do? I'm curious.. It'd be nice if it fixed some of the app lockups i experienced & the browser sluggishness.. I did mention above, that I did do a factory reset (not manual downgrade then re-upgrade like you posted) hoping maybe that'd fix some of it..
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What's it supposed to do? I'm curious.. It'd be nice if it fixed some of the app lockups i experienced & the browser sluggishness.. I did mention above, that I did do a factory reset (not manual downgrade then re-upgrade like you posted) hoping maybe that'd fix some of it..
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He did not mention what the cuplrit was, but I think it was in reference to the random crashing.
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I get 10 meg down approx 30-35 feet away through 4 walls. The same or better tests than I get with my other devices.
I used to be able to lock GPS still, but not moving, after a pinch near the GPS connector I can lock fine while going 70mph.
No crashes.
No screen bleed.
No color issues or bright spots.
No force closing apps so far.
Dock connects solidly and works great.
Sucks to be y`all.
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Trust me, this won't last. You'll notice some form or fashion of screen defects in a couple of weeks, just in time for your policy to have expired for a return/exchange... in which case you will be forced to ship it off to ASUS.
That will be the cost of your smug sense of self-worth.
I don't believe in a "perfect" TFP, because that would be less likely than seeing a Double-Rainbow, all the way.
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Reignzone said:
Trust me, this won't last. You'll notice some form or fashion of screen defects in a couple of weeks, just in time for your policy to have expired for a return/exchange... in which case you will be forced to ship it off to ASUS.
That will be the cost of your smug sense of self-worth.
I don't believe in a "perfect" TFP, because that would be less likely than seeing a Double-Rainbow, all the way.
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Yes of course, I'll trust the random guy on a forum. I won't consider the multiple friends with them who don't have issues. When a hundred people on a forum complain that means every tablet is bunk.
And by the way, every rainbow is a double rainbow, look a little harder next time.
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Yes of course, I'll trust the random guy on a forum. I won't consider the multiple friends with them who don't have issues. When a hundred people on a forum complain that means every tablet is bunk.
And by the way, every rainbow is a double rainbow, look a little harder next time.
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Yeah, but is it all the way across the sky?
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Yeah, but is it all the way across the sky?
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It's always the same as the main rainbow, just dimmer and the colors are flipped. I have seen plenty, along with a triple rainbow across the whole sky outside of redrocks in I believe 2008.
They released this tablet knowing it had issues, they rushed this tablet to the market and most of us feel cheated! Where is the "Persistent Perfection"? It is their company motto! We need to do this to get them to realize their mistakes!
We can all agree that this tablet is plagued with issues, Big or Small; Noticeable or Not; Software or Hardware; Customer Support or Communication.
Known issues we need to stand up for! Whether you experience them or not!:
BLUETOOTH INCOMPATIBLE WITH WIFI!
WEAK/SLOW WIFI!
GPS NON FUNCTIONING!
SCREEN BLEED!
MELTING/OVERHEATING CHARGERS
UNKNOWN SERIAL #'s!
RANDOM LOCKUPS/REBOOTS!
LESS THAN ACCEPTABLE SUPPORT!
HORRIBLE QUALITY CONTROL!
TERRIBLE RMA EXPERIENCES!
DEAD PIXELS!
DUST UNDER YOUR SCREEN!
ETC!
Then to top it all off they are now dedicating all their resources to multiple new tablets (7000t 3000t, 3g prime, Memo, and the Padphone), instead of doing what is right and fixing the first one!
THE GOAL IS TO ATTACK UNTIL THEY RELEASE SOME SORT OF REPLACEMENT/REFUND/EXCHANGE PROGRAM!
We need YOU to Tweet, Comment, and Sign the Petition
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
Comment!
Comment their other pages!
Twitter!
Sign the Petition! ( I need someone to write up a really good petition letter that gets sent to 16 different emails each time someone signs the petition! PM me it and post in here!)
TWEET Something Along the Lines of THIS!
@Asus FIX OUR TABLETS! Where is the "Persistent Perfection"? Where is the Quality control? #transformerprime #liar http://bit.ly/xZseum
WE HAVE WON THIS WAR BEFORE!
I really hope you're trolling or you're a sad little dude...
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I really hope you're trolling or you're a sad little dude...
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No this is serious!
The last operation worked! its getting us the boot loader unlock tool!
Is this the official kick off World?
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You need to learn how to approach companies like asus on problems... this is just rude and disrespectful. I'm an "unhappy" customer but I'm not going to act like you.
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Is this the official kick off World?
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HUH? lol?
This thread is not to be laughed at! just because you are not experiencing issues doesnt mean the first 150k primes sold are not!
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You need to learn how to approach companies like asus on problems... this is just rude and disrespectful. I'm an "unhappy" customer but I'm not going to act like you.
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IT WORKED WITH THE BOOTLOADER!
You guys obviously where not here for that! got a response from asus within 48 hours
In some way I don't think it was mostly their falt but ours since we were already rushing them. They did delay the sales because of the quality but demand was to big on our side. People wanted the device knowing it had problems and now most of them are fighting that they didn't pay much attention to the tablet. Even though we wanted it the way it was....... But every body has their views.
How many people agree?
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Just wow, seriously, if you're not happy with your prime then return it, there are plenty of primes like mine that work perfectly.
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JustinFields95 said:
Just wow, seriously, if you're not happy with your prime then return it, there are plenty of primes like mine that work perfectly.
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Shut up some of us are out of our return window! and are you not unhappy that they will be releasing versions with fixed GPS and other stuff!
The bootloader thing was completely different, this is way too far, and its worded like a spoiled teenage rant.
What really annoys me is that I see you "OP" genuinely trying to help bring these problems to light and get Asus to do the right thing and fix this debacle of a product. But instead I see trolls trollin your thread. Lame.
I applaud you for your outcry. This really needs Asus's FULL attention. Not just Gary and a few other employees. I have a feeling Asus is going to proceed with the release of the TF700t and leave the TF201 in the dust. If I was Asus I would carefully take a look at what went wrong with the TF201 and figure out how to fix it. Instead of releasing a new product. If these problems aren't fixed by Tuesday I am returning my Prime and dock and going with an iPad 3 or maybe a TF700t. Most likely an iPad 3. I really hope Asus comes through in the next 72 hours.
Try not to get upset with fellow TF201 owners. I guarantee their tone will change once the TF700t arrives with no problems. We are all on the same team.
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The bootloader thing was completely different, this is way too far, and its worded like a spoiled teenage rant.
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The bootloader was the same thing!
They had no right to LOCK something we purchased
It was not a cellphone purchased on contract!
This is unacceptable for a company as big as Asus to have this horrible of quality control!
Sky gunner thank you!
Where are the compesations given to other countries outside of the U.S.?
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Where are the compesations given to other countries outside of the U.S.?
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Idk but thank you so much
these guys do not see an undermining company like we do!
No problem. I am here to help.
I know that I have only been a member of this thread for a short while. But I have enjoyed/found most people here to be informitive and entertaining.
Not only is Asus causing me to second guess my 5th TF201 & dock purchase by way of a full refund return, they are alienating me from participating in this wonderful forum full of members with similar interests. After my 5th Prime I'm gone from XDA/Asus.
I really hope it doesn't come down to this.
Ok guys, i feel ya. It sucks getting a faulty product especially over and over. No argument there.
But these issues are only present in a small percentage of Primes. And most of them only apply to artificial situations. For instance wifi: I have a a ~16 Mbps connection. What if my wifi drops to 8 Mbps for some seconds while watching youtube? I wont even notice. So for 95% of Prime users those wifi "issues" dont exist. Me included even though i get pretty steady results.
Minor screen bleed is present on almost all IPS panels even your precious ipads (you should get one, they are perfect devices, will never have problems and last 100 years - sry irony took over ). And again, the only place you notice screen bleed is on startup screen or if your in complete darkness looking at a black page and turning IPS+ on.
So the amount of people that have gone through several primes is very very small. Even here on XDA most people dont experience these issues in a way that the device becomes less fun or even unusable.
By logic the amount of people that will sign this petition and send some spam mail will never be enough to actually achieve something. Sorry man
The bootloader thing was something completely different. Companies locking up bootloaders is something that affects every freakin Android user. So i'm pretty sure there were many people that didnt even plan on buying a prime signing that petition. The same way i have signed the HTC petition and will sign every single one about locking bootloaders of Android devices. Plus, i'm almost certain ASUS already planned it when the petition started.
Again it sucks buying and waiting for such a product and then having a faulty device. Happened to everyone once... But all you can do is, return it and hope for getting a working replacement. Buying another product, or waiting for the next Transformer model from ASUS.
And btw when i read TF700T will have no issues, all i can say is lol. Its like saying the world will end in 2012. Wait... Maybe the two things are linked in some higher plan we dont understand yet!!!??? I think i'm on to something here...
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No problem. I am here to help.
I know that I have only been a member of this thread for a short while. But I have enjoyed/found most people here to be informitive and entertaining.
Not only is Asus causing me to second guess my 5th TF201 & dock purchase by way of a full refund return, they are alienating me from participating in this wonderful forum full of members with similar interests. After my 5th Prime I'm gone from XDA/Asus.
I really hope it doesn't come down to this.
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Awhh We must have lost so many members to this section of the fourm when it first came out!
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So the amount of people that have gone through several primes is very very small. Even here on XDA most people dont experience these issues in a way that the device becomes less fun or even unusable.
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I agree. Most of the TF201 returns I heard about from customer service at my local Bestbuy were transactions that resulted in a full refund not exchange. Most people would return and move on to iPad 3, TF700t etc......
Do you really believe that after this mess of a release Asus is gonna release another defective product? I don't think so. I'm sure Asus's legal department/engineering is working together to provide a "Asus Inspiring Innovation Persistent Perfection" product with the release of the TF700t.
While I'm not quite as zealous as the OP, I do feel that ASUS needs to address the issues listed above. They undoubtedly knew there were pretty severe engineering issues with the prime before release if not, then quite soon thereafter. The weak wifi and nonexistent GPS are unquestionable. The other QA problems are more or less expected
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Well I was told to go elsewhere to complain about Asus and the problems I am having with the $680 64Gb prime I bought. So since Diamondback is getting tired of closing threads and deleting posts, I decided on starting a thread were people who need or want to vent can come and vent. And to be fair if you have good things to say about Asus or your Prime please share it here.
As I have tried to say before I like my Prime but am getting tired of the problems that have not been fixed or pop up after an update is released..
I think the gps dongle, while a nice gesture was a misstep for Asus. I would have just taken that on the chin. The hardware/software problems that have not been resolved are far worse. I don't give a s- about gps. Again, nice move on their part, but the dongle does me zero good if the damn thing crashes and freezes. I'll take the wifi issues, it's not that bad. Just give me a functional f'n unit that doesn't run slower than my ibm 286. \rant
There is a class action suit going on. I was actually contacted today by one of the lawyers doing it. You can email [email protected] and tell him you want to be apart of it.
I miss the complaint thread. At least there was the hope that Asus would actually read their own thread, which ended up not being the case.
Better hurry up, this one will probably closed to.
Bout to pack bags from XDA with all of this crap. Its a shame.
All were looking for is answers.
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There is a class action suit going on. I was actually contacted today by one of the lawyers doing it. You can email [email protected] and tell him you want to be apart of it.
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Another one? I thought that got killed
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Better hurry up, this one will probably closed to.
Bout to pack bags from XDA with all of this crap. Its a shame.
All were looking for is answers.
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Another one? I thought that got killed
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its the same lawsuit but its not going anywhere really. The case against Asus isnt strong. Its likely to get thrown out before it even really begins. Hence the reason no official filing has even been done yet. This is just something someone "Wants" to bring against asus. Nothing thats actually happening or going on yet.
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I think the gps dongle, while a nice gesture was a misstep for Asus. I would have just taken that on the chin. The hardware/software problems that have not been resolved are far worse. I don't give a s- about gps. Again, nice move on their part, but the dongle does me zero good if the damn thing crashes and freezes. I'll take the wifi issues, it's not that bad. Just give me a functional f'n unit that doesn't run slower than my ibm 286. \rant
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Absolutely true.
Asus took the easy way out by sending us a 4 dollar piece of plastic and wire, instead of working on the actual issues.
Since i see demandarin posting in this thread, so much for your update prediction. This is getting totally ridiculous. , and Asus seems fine with it.I have bought so much Asus stuff over the years, i will be rethinking that, after the prime fiasco,
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its the same lawsuit but its not going anywhere really. The case against Asus isnt strong. Its likely to get thrown out before it even really begins. Hence the reason no official filing has even been done yet. This is just something someone "Wants" to bring against asus. Nothing thats actually happening or going on yet.
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Class action suits are awesome for all lawyers involved and the original filer. No one added to the class gets anything useful.
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its the same lawsuit but its not going anywhere really. The case against Asus isnt strong. Its likely to get thrown out before it even really begins. Hence the reason no official filing has even been done yet. This is just something someone "Wants" to bring against asus. Nothing thats actually happening or going on yet.
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That's really your personal opinion on the matter. How it unfolds.. I guess we'll have to just wait and see (we won't find out until few yrs later anyways). Btw, what do you mean by no "official" filing?
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
What else do you need?? What's more official?
You sir are mistaken.
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its the same lawsuit but its not going anywhere really. The case against Asus isnt strong. Its likely to get thrown out before it even really begins. Hence the reason no official filing has even been done yet. This is just something someone "Wants" to bring against asus. Nothing thats actually happening or going on yet.
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This is not correct, the papers were filed over two months ago, the case is strong and will move forward in good time. ASuS as already been to two informal hearing at the various law firms involved when they were in CA. And as stated in previous post, you can let the team know that you'd like to be a part if they need anymore actual users of this product to appear in court. I've been watching mr. demandarin for quite some time and I'm sorry to say, but I feel he is either privileged by ASUS or just a tireless fan boy. Nothing wrong with enjoying a product and company that as serviced you to your satisfaction, but most of us that have kept quite for some time have followed long and tedious arguments that involved this individual. I give credit where credit is due but do not idolize any company, person, device or anything else so I can be a little more unbiased when assessing a situation. If you are unhappy with a product, this is the place to seek help, and if you can get a actual rep to listen, good for you! If you can't, then it's time to take legal action and get louder so that others are protected from having the same treatment as you. So by all means, follow the previous posters advice, seek out legal action. It will be funny to see how many fans will have their hand's out for the settlement money when it is awarded. Mark my words.
Thanks
I am glad to see that this tread is getting used. I also want to thank all who posted here as I have learned more about what is going on and what people are looking for. I have learned that I am not the only one who wants a stable working Prime over a GPS dongle.
I also would like to know if anyone has tried to use a Huawei E369 Datacard with their Prime. I have read that the Huawei 17xx was working but would like to buy the newest one out that will work so it will last at least 5 years before it becomes outdated.
I've noticed as of late that asus has stfu about everything. I realize that Gary was sick, but "official posts" are becoming fewer and farther between. They are going into defense mode. They know they are sol to fix the issues without having to put out a full recall which is a huge embarrassment and going to cost them an arm and a leg, plus street cred. It's getting to end game folks. They better be brewing a software miracle, or an overall solution. I think a lawsuit has legs with the horrible performance, Dongle be damned.
I would think a class action lawsuit has a foothold. There is absolutely no way that Asus did not know about the wifi and GPS issues when they launched. They got caught up in the "iPad killer" hype and wanted to get them out by Christmas. The lack of advertising by Asus and the retail establishment is icing on the cake.
Funny thing is that I picked up a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 for my birthday last week and it is snappier than my Prime (especially when browsing and installing from the Play store)
The lack of updates is disconcerting as well. Perhaps there are no further firmware/software fixes for this device.
It is simply a small blip on the Android Tablet radar that will go down in history as a complete and utter failure.
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I am glad to see that this tread is getting used. I also want to thank all who posted here as I have learned more about what is going on and what people are looking for. I have learned that I am not the only one who wants a stable working Prime over a GPS dongle.
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There has been a ton of discussion about this just today, problem is it keeps getting shut down, either by reported posts, or, over zealous mods, either way, the ends the same
The mysterious , unreleased firmware should be telling everybody something, the og transformer has had the update to .24 for quite sometime, the prime testers have had it for at least 2 weeks or more, one in particular gave today as a release date, even though some of those testers are reporting good results, I'm not buying it. If it was ready for prime time it would have dropped.It seems like I have new issues pop up every day, or the same issues manifesting in different ways
I have multiple issues with prime, i am going to ask Asus for a refund, probably more than ask, and go with something else, other tegra 3 tablets available, and the A700 and thrive are getting rave reviews, They certainly can't be worse than the Prime, and i doubt they will go backwards with no explanation like the prime.Asus is going to lose my business for sure
I have 2 different PM's to both Asus_usa and Gary key, for 2 and a half days now, so far no response yet, for dedicated forum support, thats unacceptable.
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its the same lawsuit but its not going anywhere really. The case against Asus isnt strong. Its likely to get thrown out before it even really begins. Hence the reason no official filing has even been done yet. This is just something someone "Wants" to bring against asus. Nothing thats actually happening or going on yet.
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opps... didnt see someone posted the link to the filing. lol But If anything comes from it remains to be seen..
All I want is the browser sped up and I would be perfectly happy. Gary mentioned that there would be an upgrade to browsing in the new firmware but after this much time it leads you to think that it must be a hardware issue. Although Asus has always been outed by other sources before they give out any real information.
I bought a top of the line Android Tablet and I swear my girlfriends Kindle browses the internet faster.
It is also odd to see that new post the other day about the Asus Nexus Tablet. It is hard to believe that they would be able to meet Demand or Expectations after all of the Prime problems.
Yea I am getting tired closing all your threads....
What's so hard about posting in existing threads?
I understand that you want answers, I want them too, but making new threads each day complaning about the issues won't get you any answers...
Gary doesn't answer in threads, so maybe the situation will change with the new guy - Asus_USA - but until then please use the existing threads.