I'm wondering if my battery is defective or battery monitor is reporting the wrong mah of the battery. Battery Monitor is reporting 1590mah.
Thanks in advance.
Ullmz469 said:
I'm wondering if my battery is defective or battery monitor is reporting the wrong mah of the battery. Battery Monitor is reporting 1590mah.
Thanks in advance.
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mine is to. But battery monitor would always report my tbolt battery as 2750...
Ullmz469 said:
I'm wondering if my battery is defective or battery monitor is reporting the wrong mah of the battery. Battery Monitor is reporting 1590mah.
Thanks in advance.
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1620mAh is the rating printed on the back of your battery, 1590 is probably a calculated value from what the App is probing, which is why it's a bit off.
Calculated values from kernel data may be a little off from printed ratings. It's < 2% off.
Battery Monitor Widget has reported everything from 334mAh to 4200mAh. It is an estimation.
Thanks for the clarification. I was still not satisfied with the battery life, So I went into verizon last night. The guy there tested the battery and said it was bad and ordered me a new battery. I'm skeptical on that the battery is bad. He told me the voltage was measuring 4.2v. The battery was charged about 71% and that time. Does that indicate the battery is bad or can the battery voltage vary from the 3.7-3.8v recommended voltage at times?
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The manual states: "The battery reaches it's maximum capacity after a few full charging and discharging cycles."
So, does this mean you should fully charge and then fully discharge the battery a few times to get maximum battery life?
If so, should you do this the first few times only or every time after that as well?
IOW, after the few initial times, would you get the best battery life fully discharging or topping off? Does it matter?
I think what it may mean is that the device needs full charging cycles to learn how to read the battery status accurately (so it doesn't say 2% when a fifth of the battery life remains). Other than that, lithium ion batteries are usually happy with top-up charges and only need to be deep-cycled occasionally to keep the OS' battery meter in sync.
OK, thanks. I didn't even know it used a Lithium-Ion battery. Based on that info. I did a quick search and found this: http://www.blackberryfaq.com/index.php/Maximum_Battery_Life
Interesting.
Mithent said:
I think what it may mean is that the device needs full charging cycles to learn how to read the battery status accurately (so it doesn't say 2% when a fifth of the battery life remains). Other than that, lithium ion batteries are usually happy with top-up charges and only need to be deep-cycled occasionally to keep the OS' battery meter in sync.
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Agreed, that is an intelligent assessment.
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All, sorry for the semi repost, but I got no answers from the other battery threads.
Can other people post their battery voltage plots? See my voltage plot below. First off, I realized the HOX+ uses a 4.3Vmax (or 3.8Vnominal) battery vs. 4.2V (3.7V) on the HOX and most other phones. The higher voltage gets us more mAH and WH, but does pose some risk on reduced battery cycle life and stress to the Li-Po battery.
So my concern is the quick drop in battery voltage after full charging to 100%. You can see in the plot below the voltages reaches around 4295 mV, but quickly drops to 4250 mV while still on the charger. Maybe this to protect the battery? But I also noticed that once I unplug the charger, the voltage quickly drops below 4.2V within minutes.
So my questions is, is my built-in battery not up to snuff to handle 4.3V? One thing I've noticed is my phone goes from 100%>96% very quickly, usually within 10-20mins, even it's idle (Screen off) etc.
I'll like to see battery voltage plots from others to determine if my battery performance is an anomaly or not.
Also, one other note. My Battery Monitor Widget app reports 2040 mAh battery and not the 2100 mAh that is advertised. Like to see if other people are seeing this as well.
Hi, I was asking myself if it was possible to copy batterystats.bin from a calibrated x10i to have our own x10i calibrated.
I explain : I see that file like a file with values that have the percentage of the battery with the duration and stuff like that, so copying it to have the right values.
Can work or not ? influenced by kernel or rom ? What do you think ?
Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
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Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
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how does that answer to my question ? Do they sell new x10i ? meh
I have developed a kernel patch that allows controlling the charge voltage of the battery. Lowering the charge voltage will typically increase battery cycle life by 2x for 0.1V and potentially much more at high temperatures. The default charge voltage is 4.3V, so with 4.2V you can expect 2x the battery life; with 4.1V 4x the battery life (the battery won't be fully charged).
The patch adds a new sysfs control: '/sys/devices/i2c-0/0-006a/float_voltage'. The setting is in milli-Volt; 3800mV - 4300mV is allowed. The charger supports 20mV increments.
For setting the charge voltage permanently, you can add something like:
echo 4100 > /sys/devices/i2c-0/0-006a/float_voltage
to an init script.
For my N7:
4.0V -> 73% charge
4.1V -> 83% charge
4.2V -> 93% charge
4.3V -> 100% charge
(The patch is against the stock kernel.)
The patch is included in the ElementalX kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389022
and the Glitch kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2449919
anyone care to try first? is it any different than undervolting with custom kernel?
adichandra said:
anyone care to try first? is it any different than undervolting with custom kernel?
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This is very different. It isn't supposed to increase battery runtime, it's supposed to decrease it.
It allows allows to not completely charge the battery. In return, the battery won't deteriorate as quickly. Making up numbers here: if the battery would normally survive 300 charge cycles (charged to 4.3V); if you only charge to 4.2V (or about 93% capacity), the battery would last for 600 charge cycles before it's dead.
ah i thought this tweak was about to give double battery life in one single charge. might be usef for others but not me though since i never use a gadget more than 18 months. thanks
adichandra said:
ah i thought this tweak was about to give double battery life in one single charge. might be usef for others but not me though since i never use a gadget more than 18 months. thanks
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No it extends your battery life as in the longevity. The battery life that we usually think of is how long the battery will last on a charge like you were thinking. That's not what this mod is for. Such a mod that you were hoping for doesn't exist.
tiny4579 said:
No it extends your battery life as in the longevity. The battery life that we usually think of is how long the battery will last on a charge like you were thinking. That's not what this mod is for. Such a mod that you were hoping for doesn't exist.
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Oh how they can wish though. Though still good work regardless, and very useful.
Anyone know the actual estimate for the amount of charge cycles the battery can handle before giving up the ghost?
I tend to agree with adichandra.. In today's consumer market, most gadjets are usually obsolete after 18 months..
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So charge cycles are extended by never allowing the battery to charge to 100%? Sounds similar to a feature on my thinkpad laptop that let's you set the charge and discharge thresholds.
Thank you for posting this!
OJ in Compton said:
So charge cycles are extended by never allowing the battery to charge to 100%? Sounds similar to a feature on my thinkpad laptop that let's you set the charge and discharge thresholds.
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Yes. Same idea. Some Samsung laptops have this as well.
How can we apply this patch? Sorry for such a noob question...
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How can we apply this patch? Sorry for such a noob question...
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If you are not building your own kernel, there will hopefully be a few kernels in this section that will include this.
If you are building your own kernel, you can take the posted 'smb345-charger.c' and replace 'drivers/power/smb345-charger.c' in your kernel tree. It's based on the stock kernel.
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This is very different. It isn't supposed to increase battery runtime, it's supposed to decrease it.
It allows allows to not completely charge the battery. In return, the battery won't deteriorate as quickly. Making up numbers here: if the battery would normally survive 300 charge cycles (charged to 4.3V); if you only charge to 4.2V (or about 93% capacity), the battery would last for 600 charge cycles before it's dead.
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Most kernels on all my phones have ability to set precisely the % you want battery charged up too. Haven't seen it for flo/razor
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Hmm that's a good suggestion. Truly to increase the battery charge cycle life by almost 2x you just have to charge it until 90%.
So basically you don't charge it to max voltage and you don't let the charger begin the high voltage stabilization.
So with normally (good Lithium batteries these days) 500 charge cycles you go for 1000 and so on.
I was searching for something like that, because it's a tablet that can last through many years.
I think it's a great feature and all kernels should implement and have it at stock. And let the user decide and choose voltage with an easy script if he wants it.
Battery life year extender
Thank you
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If you are not building your own kernel, there will hopefully be a few kernels in this section that will include this.
If you are building your own kernel, you can take the posted 'smb345-charger.c' and replace 'drivers/power/smb345-charger.c' in your kernel tree. It's based on the stock kernel.
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I'm going to add this in the next update to ElementalX
CTCaer said:
Hmm that's a good suggestion. Truly to increase the battery charge cycle life by almost 2x you just have to charge it until 90%.
So basically you don't charge it to max voltage and you don't let the charger begin the high voltage stabilization.
So with normally (good Lithium batteries these days) 500 charge cycles you go for 1000 and so on.
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There is no good reason to use battery percentage to terminate the charge, instead of using a lower charger float voltage. Likely the only reason a percentage cutoff was used in other cases is that the charger chip didn't support setting the voltage.
The voltage setting is also much more predictable - the battery gauge can be quite unreliable in terms of charge estimate and easily jump 10% when it recalibrates itself.
Can anyone post the source of info for 2x battery cycle if only charge up to 4.2v? I read that not charging lithiums to full charge can help extended life but never seen anyone give estimates like 2x at 4.2v and 4x for 4.1v. Estimates seem a bit high to me. I agree with others here that this tablet can last a few years if the battery holds up so I was planning on replacing the battery after a year or two but if lowering the battery voltage really works this well then I will try it. There is a pretty big downside of having almost 10% less battery life all the time.
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Can anyone post the source of info for 2x battery cycle if only charge up to 4.2v?
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://macomp.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/1607542.pdf
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200806/EEOL_2008JUN16_POW_TA_01.pdf
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There is no good reason to use battery percentage to terminate the charge, instead of using a lower charger float voltage.
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Of course there is. The last 10% to 20% are causing the most aging of a lithium ion battery.
If you really want to prolonge the live of your battery charge it only up to 80%.
There is no real reason to limit the voltage as the stock hardware and drivers handles this already really good by adopting the charging voltage dynamically.
There's no reason to change charger's voltage. The only thing there's meaning in changing in the charger side is output current.
For example with the size of Nexus battery you can use a 1A one or 800mA. It will charge slow but you can maintain some more charge cycles.
Still the most important is to not let the battery reach it's maximum voltage (100%) and let the charger do it's voltage stabilization.
As also said from others before that's what takes the battery charge life away.
The best for good juice and year protection is 90%.
The best for year extension and low juice is 60%.
And of course, when you really need 100% juice (trip, flight, beach, whatever) you just charge it full and don't care for some cycles.
Good batteries have -+500 Full charge cycles. So almost one and a half year if you go from 100->0->100 everyday, before the capacity (mAh) of battery drops.
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There is no good reason to use battery percentage to terminate the charge, instead of using a lower charger float voltage.
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The last 10% to 20% are causing the most aging of a lithium ion battery.
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That's correct.
If you really want to prolonge the live of your battery charge it only up to 80%.
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That's exactly what lowering the charger float voltage can do. The original post has numbers for different voltages. E.g. with a 4.1V charger float voltage, the charger will stop charging at 83% charge.
There is no real reason to limit the voltage as the stock hardware and drivers handles this already really good by adopting the charging voltage dynamically.
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The stock driver sets the charger float voltage to 4.3V. Given that there is current limiting (1200mA input current limit), the voltage will be lower initially, but the voltage regulation is 4.3V once the current is low enough.
Like I mentioned, using the battery percentage as cutoff isn't great, since the battery gauge can be pretty inaccurate (can be off by >10%). Setting the float voltage lower results in the same charge cuttoff every time, even if the battery gauge makes an inaccurate estimate.
Has anyone checked the ROG phone "Battery health" on AccuBattery Pro? Mine is showing Estimated Capacity as 3,548 mAh, Design Capacity 4,000 mAh. I completely discharged then charged to 100% as calibration. Brand new phone.
Mine is showing 3,531mAh after around a week of usage.
Someone should report this on the Asus forums
mine also show 3500mah after 2.5 weeks of use
I have posted this issue on ASUS's Forum
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-249329-1-1.html
Please feel free to add your battery capacity screenshots on their forum so we have a reference for the future
Mine's at 3462 after a little over a month. With a health of 87%
OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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Same here: 3536 mAh 88% health with Accubattery first charge out of the box after discharging to 15% following first power up.
Either Accubattery has a problem with our phone, or Asus is ripping us off.
If the batteries were bad, we'd all have different readings.
I am guessing the AI charging might affect the measurement from AccuBattery. However I also don't think the battery capacity is full 4000 mAh. My last phone from Motorola has a 3000 mAh battery on the spec chart, but the battery itself prints 2810 / 3000 mAh (min/typ). From the ROG phone tear down videos, this battery isn't marked though.
From the asus zen forum the only solution the person provided was to bring the device to a service center to get it tested
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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Samsung does that. Note 9 is 4000mah but Accubattery says 3800mah on new phones. Every one of them.
Power reserve to not kill the battery early.
Anyway, 3500 mAh seems like one heck of a left over reserve.
Our batteries should last 5 years at least
Same "problem" here, but maybe it is because program has small amount of gathered data about battery usage. I did full discharge and full recharge yesterday, and goz about 3567mAh, but ill try to calibrate battery and use measuring app for longer time to get more accurate results.
Ps: I am using only slow charger to avoid overheating to eliminate battery damaging when recharging
I have not checked my ROG Phone in any 3rd party apps as I have not had a reason to question the 4,000 MAH
It is not a problem, lithium ion battery deteriorate faster if kept fully charge all the time or when discharged to low. Since most people have the bad habit to plug their phone all the time and keep them full for a prolonged period of time, oem have to be creative to fight this. Some will show your battery is charged at 100% while in reality its only charged at 90% .That is what your program most likely reading.
lithium ion should only be charged at 100% before you leave the house, i tend to keep mine between 50 and 90 usually . With quick charge there is no reason to keep a phone plug overnight, 10-20 min before leaving the house is plenty.
I have turned on AI for battery charging and as soon as my Battery reaches 100 it stops charging which is good enough for me to have faith in the charging technology in the phone and battery capacity.
I do leave mine plugged in over night however with the right equipment to check its hard to get a good understanding of whats happening. Theres inbuilt battery health tools so i would always advise using these and going through the features of this over 3rd party jank applications and trust them. Its the only tools Asus are going to support in any diagnostic troubleshooting.
Hi guys, I am returning after some time of usage and charging. After some charging cycles I have to admit my battery capacity is "increasing" - well better say, it is getting used to be charged properly. Now I passed 7 full charging cycles, but after 3rd one every next charge had more mA. I started at 3479mAh with full battery, now I ended with 3711mAh - hope it gets even better (I'll be glad for at least 3800, but who knows?). Everytime I tried to charge only when I was below 3%.
I have to say I am using slow charger with 5V and 400mA current. Battery checker from mobile manager was not detecting any issue with this way of charging nor AccuBattery Pro. I also know, that batteries shall be charged only about 80% of its capacity, but I am still sceptical about that rest 20% so I am charging to max everytime.
Hope I helped...
...another time passed and I am back with another results. After a lot chrging cycles I am stuck at between 3500-3700mAh of total capacity. I was searching around whole internet and found out, that phone manufacturers are "decreasing" battery capacity with SW at 90% of total capacity to prolong battery life and avoid battery wear, because everytime you charge the phone, you think you are charging to 100%, but in real you are charging to 90% only - rest of 10% is "hidden" to save your battery life - due to my calculations and testing it might be true. Anybody else had something different, so we can compare it?
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
Hellindros said:
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
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Heres mine so far only a few cycle's in but I've lost quite a bit capacity