i searched, found nothing.
is the amaze cpu/soc/gpu the same as the sensation ?
i am coming from the sensation and i know the mhz difference 1.5 vs 1.2
i am asking if there is hardware difference between the 2 chips
thanks in advance for any answers
hyphydragon said:
i searched, found nothing.
is the amaze cpu/soc/gpu the same as the sensation ?
i am coming from the sensation and i know the mhz difference 1.5 vs 1.2
i am asking if there is hardware difference between the 2 chips
thanks in advance for any answers
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Same exact soc, just the Sensation has a lowered clock rate.
Amaze has more ram, though. (768vs1024)
MSM8x60 I believe, both with adreno 220
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I am not familiar with android os, so i wanted to ask people who have some knowledge behind it a question.
What do you see improving with the thunderbolt when gingerbread gets released?
Do you think the thunderbolt will be able to improve its chances to still stand out against the dual-core phones with the help of 2.3?
I love my thunderbolt, it is my very first Android OS device and i am glad to be an early adopter of the 4g LTE network, i do personally feel that i put myself in a rough position because i chose a phone with a single core. Should i feel this way?
Thanks XDA, i've spent so many hours learning about phones in general on this board. it is my new home!
No, single core is great.
1. Apps must be written to utilize dual core (the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, which is much faster than needed)
2. Any phone you buy will be outdated in terms of current technology within 6 months. (Don't compare to other technology. Compare to apps you want to run. There are no foreseeable apps the thunderbolt can't run well)
Imho, dual core is currently just a gimmick to attract buyers and I don't think it will be necessary to own one for about 2 years.
I've used the attic, compared to thunderbolt you can't even notice a speed difference.
As for the usual bionic/thunderbolt debate. I believe the Ram is more important then dual core ATM. And if the bionic really only has 512, the thunderbolt will do perfectly fine stacked against it.
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the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, aka the same speed as 1ghz dual core
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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i've played with an Atrix before the TB came out. The dual core did nothing for it. My TB is noticeably faster than the Atrix was. Plus ATT 4G service is a joke.
As far as differences between 22 and 23, check this out:
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-android-2-2-froyo-and-android-2-3-gingerbread/
Probably not alot to to write home about, but i def like the gingerbread keyboard over the froyo keyboard.
Ive never seen a dual core referred to as the speed of the 2 cores added. Every dual core I've heard of refers to the speed of the individual processors. ie, all the new ones (tegra 2, exynos, evo 3d snapdragon) have 2 cores each at 1 ghz
Leading to the equation:
2 x 1 ghz cores != 1 x 2 ghz core != 2 x 500 mhz cores
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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miketoasty said:
Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Lol, no he meant the quad cores processors coming out like the Tegra 3.
He said quad core not quadrant scores.
RogerPodacter said:
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
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Totally agree Roger. The real problem with dual core is Android software is not written to take full advantage of both cores. This was evident when I had a chance to play with my friends LG Optimus 2X. FPS was fantastic on nenamark averaging just below 80. All games in the Tegra zone played great. However, when it came to day to day stuff it lagged. For example, sometimes it took two swipes for the screen to register a touch. Web pages with heavy flash had awful load times.
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
and As for Quad Cores and Dual Cores, Im Loving the Battery life they are gonna bring to us. The Point isn't just performance but also low Energy Usage.
papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Win indeed sir. I'm a VZW employee and can upgrade every 9 months
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Can you imagine the epic tears that will flow for quad core battery issues?
... just sayin'
HorsexD said:
Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
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+1
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And while applications might not be specifically written for dual core, the OS is. That alone provides some improvement.
But whatever. Our processor will be fine for quite some time.
And correct, a 1GHz dual core runs at 2x1GHz, not 2x500Mhz
Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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As for the OP, I don't think enough improvements from 2.2-2.3 are going to be done to make it the same as an optimized dual core. Also, I don't think stock HTC Sense 2.3 will have much of a visual difference than stock 2.2 Sense. Once the 2.3 update comes out, I'll probably still stick with a custom ROM that is 2.2 until the 2.3 custom ROM's come out.
What I hope that HTC fixes is the GPS issues. The "fix" that is in the development forum (turning off Google Location Services) has worked wonders for me, but I'm hoping HTC just fixes it in a firmware or software update sometime in the future.
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Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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Gb is reportedly hitting thunderbolt in q2!
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I.have assumed that the 1.2ghz soc on the sensation and the new evo were the same ..I was reading some Qualcomm info and it noted the msm8260 as the soc in the sensation and the msm8660 as the soc for the 3d..does anyone know the difference..is it for the extra power needed for 3d effects ?
Mod please delete post I've found my answer. Thanks
do you mind posting the answer here?
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+1 what did you find? I read a while back that the EvO3D is a 1.5ghz dual core underclocked to 1.2ghz
Wow.. I hope you are right any links to it?
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The difference should be that the 8660 is CDMA and 8260 is GSM.
I googled and found this - http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...lcomm-demonstrates-new-msm8660-processor.html
*EDIT* Here's another with video http://www.phonearena.com/news/Qualcomm-demos-3rd-gen-Snapdragon-MSM8660-smooth-mobile-video_id18548
Should be no reason we couldn't get these badboys higher than 1.5ghz
According to the link below, 8260 is hspa+ only while the 8660 is for cdma and hspa+ no difference in performance
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/
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crabjoe said:
The difference should be that the 8660 is CDMA and 8260 is GSM.
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You are right. Here is a link.
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/
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phyba said:
According to the link below, 8260 is hspa+ only while the 8660 is for cdma and hspa+ no difference in performance
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/
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Beat me to it.
I like seeing rev b in the chips. I hope Sprint will unleash it one day.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
Yea only difference I saw was what has already been mentioned ..one other thing is it has it clocked at 1.2 ghz for the 8260 and 1.2 and 1.5 for the 8660..maybe that's just because the latter has been used at both clock speeds.. pretty cool chart tho
Dont forget the 256MB of additional RAM in the 3D
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+1 what did you find? I read a while back that the EvO3D is a 1.5ghz dual core underclocked to 1.2ghz
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Your Excatly right thats the main difference the evo 3d if unlocked could run 1.5 no problem since it has been downclocked
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Your Excatly right thats the main difference the evo 3d if unlocked could run 1.5 no problem since it has been downclocked
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That is not entirely true. Not all processors are created equal. Htc could be downclocking the batches that failed @ 1.5ghz. Thus leaving us with little to no headroom.
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Rem3Dy said:
That is not entirely true. Not all processors are created equal. Htc could be downclocking the batches that failed @ 1.5ghz. Thus leaving us with little to no headroom.
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Right htc would not have quality control.
The main reason they're downclocked is for battery life.
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Right htc would not have quality control.
The main reason they're downclocked is for battery life.
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Incorrect. The fact they are downclocked to 1.2 could very well be because they were unstable at 1.5. And the stable 1.5 chips are being saved for another device down the road.
Intel, amd, and nvidia do this all the time, so its very well possible that these are reject 1.5 ghz chips. They will still overclock but may require more volts to hit 1.5 or higher.
And yes, they could be downclocking them to save battery life, but your theory isnt more accurate then his.
test878 said:
Incorrect. The fact they are downclocked to 1.2 could very well be because they were unstable at 1.5. And the stable 1.5 chips are being saved for another device down the road.
Intel, amd, and nvidia do this all the time, so its very well possible that these are reject 1.5 ghz chips. They will still overclock but may require more volts to hit 1.5 or higher.
And yes, they could be downclocking them to save battery life, but your theory isnt more accurate then his.
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I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree..I don't think that they make a soc and hope its stable at 1.5 ghz and if not just dump them on the e3d..I know each chip is slightly different but not that much so ...I believe we will have some headroom with this chip as it is set to be in devices at 1.5 ghz..**** the chip in the g2 and other have be able to clock almost to 2ghz..and the chip in those are very similiar to the chip in the e3d except for the extra core..they are built on the same.architecture..just my thoughts could be wrong
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I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree..I don't think that they make a soc and hope its stable at 1.5 ghz and if not just dump them on the e3d..I know each chip is slightly different but not that much so ...I believe we will have some headroom with this chip as it is set to be in devices at 1.5 ghz..**** the chip in the g2 and other have be able to clock almost to 2ghz..and the chip in those are very similiar to the chip in the e3d except for the extra core..they are built on the same.architecture..just my thoughts could be wrong
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I work for AMD, and that's exactly how it's done... You manufacture a large batch of silicon, and based on testing, you separate the chips based on highest stable speed. We simply clock them lower and label them with another model number. This has been done since the beginning...
With that said, they might have had enough chips that didn't perform well at 1.5GHz, so they just limited them all. It doesn't NECESSARILY mean everyone is getting a 1.2GHz max chip.
Wow..so u basically manufacture the same chip and based on performance give it a different model number ? And I thought all these different chips were designed individually..guess I was wrong..probably bc I know nothing.about manufacturing socs..
Obviously there are different core designs, which are engineered separately, but there are only slight tweaks, if ANY between multiple chips in the same series with different clock speeds.
Remember the AMD Barton-core 2500+? and the 3200+? Socket A chips? They were IDENTICAL. That's why all the gamers bought the cheaper 2500+ and just changed the front-side bus to 200Mhz. Blammo, you saved $200 instantly.
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Obviously there are different core designs, which are engineered separately, but there are only slight tweaks, if ANY between multiple chips in the same series with different clock speeds.
Remember the AMD Barton-core 2500+? and the 3200+? Socket A chips? They were IDENTICAL. That's why all the gamers bought the cheaper 2500+ and just changed the front-side bus to 200Mhz. Blammo, you saved $200 instantly.
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So do tell me what CPU I should get and save $200 now?
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hello
i want to change from htc sensation to atrix 4G but i want to know..how much Atrix can get it in quadrant advanced..i want 2D & 3D result
which CPU & GPU is better ?? atrix or sensation ??
Quadrant will produce an inaccurate result because it is not dual core. There plenty of benchmark threads for reference.
Antutu seems to be a decent and well spoken about spp. Comparisons to other phones aswell as other options also has its own setcpu style program.
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In AnTuTu this phone scores almost half of what the Nexus 7 scores in GPU test, though it beats it in everything else.
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In AnTuTu this phone scores almost half of what the Nexus 7 scores in GPU test, though it beats it in everything else.
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Not reliable info. Phones can be modded to do well on benchmarks. Wait till we get our goodies and see what happens
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Not reliable info. Phones can be modded to do well on benchmarks. Wait till we get our goodies and see what happens
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Generally the mods affect the IO scores, I'm speaking about only the GPU scores.
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The optimus 4x hd is the closest and most comparable to the optimus since it has essentially the same software and is the closest tegra 3 device to the OG.
Per antutus website, the OG beats the 4x HD in total score and GPU. It loses barely to the N7, but that is likely due to butter and software improvements. Assuming both are on the same software, the OG should perform better.
I believe anandtech said Adreno 320 is the best ARM GPU this year minus the iPad's PowerVR GPUs. It is the top android GPU.
Either way, both are great GPUs, but the S4 Pro has a better CPU.
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Interesting?
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I'll find that interesting once we can disable the throttling on this thing, cause right now it's not scoring very well throttling so often.
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I have HTC ONE X+ I wanted to know if it was possible that one htc x previous model it is possible to have a better GPU in 3d ... for example on my comparison on the average of x + 3350 points ONX 3900 as Notes 2 is really ? tested wint antutu comparision and gl bench 2.5.1
Tnx
Negative.
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Should be a tad faster than a One X running a custom over clock kernel due to better heat management.
AW: Is possibile GPU in 3D better onex ?read my post
As far as I know it's not the plain performance what's holding back the 3d processing power but the way the clock speeds are handled and how the drivers manage the operations. With optimized kernel and better drivers we should be able to increase the performance by far. Just relax, development just started and already made huge progress. I bet that things will get much better
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