[Keep it Civil]Tegra3 & Other Tablet Soc discussions/spec comparisons. Tablet ONLY!
Out of all the new chips coming out, Tegra3 seen as the best.
www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-s4-vs-nvidia-kal-el-vs-ti-omap-4470-vs-samsung-exynos-4212-26636/
[UPDATE] 4/20/2012
This week Nvidia has announced its newer Tegra3+ chips to be released that will have Icera voice over LTE radios in them. They will be called T3+. This will split off into the Wayne and Gray variants by Q3. The grey is the one THST will have the LTE radio. This makes nvidia the likely candidate and replacement for all tablets and mobile phones this year That was going to use Qualcomm S4 Snapdragon chip. Also once Q4 & Q1 of 2013 arrives, Tegra4 will be rolling out
QUALCOMM just officially announced it won't be able to make demand this year for the S4 chip due to manufacturing processes involving the 28nm S4 chip. So most tablets and phones that were originally going to use that chip will have to use a a different one. This is were Nvidia will likely step in and take over. I posted the link to that qualcomm news in the infinity pad thread. Its all over the major tech sites now though, so take a look if you doubt that news.
This is the link to the new Tegra3 aka T3+ that will arrive shortly.
http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-teg...feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+slashgear+(SlashGear)
MORE NEWS. Nvidia plots mobile SoC GPU plot and easily expect to surpass Xbox360 performance by 2013-2014
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5762/...c-gpu-performance-surpassing-xbox-360-by-2014
DISCLAIMER: This is for people who like Asus/Nvidia/Tegra3 or beyond. Not for the haters of any of those to try to bash them. IF you want to debate, ok but act civil in doing so. Name calling and such isn't being civil and person or persons will be dealt with accordingly. Don't have time for childish back & forth nonsense.
Cool read, thanks.
demandarin said:
Out of all the new chips coming out, Tegra3 seen as the best.
www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-s4-vs-nvidia-kal-el-vs-ti-omap-4470-vs-samsung-exynos-4212-26636/
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I don't know, i think it may be a wash. Tegra3 seems like a more intelligent architecture, and nV seems to have nailed the implementation.
It's hard to argue the power usage of 28nm, but for some reason i don't see any roadmapped 28nm quad-cores out there, so it looks like T3 may edge out the high-clocked 28nm chips through this summer. performance/watt definitely belongs to T3 for the time being.
The darker side of Teg 3:
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
The Exynos comparison wasn't even to Samsung's newest chip which is going to launch in the next Tab.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/
The Teg 3 may be the greatest thing known to silicon but it's still early. In everything but gaming, especially video playback, Teg 2 was the least impressive of the dual-cores.
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The darker side of Teg 3:
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
The Exynos comparison wasn't even to Samsung's newest chip which is going to launch in the next Tab.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/
The Teg 3 may be the greatest thing known to silicon but it's still early. In everything but gaming, especially video playback, Teg 2 was the least impressive of the dual-cores.
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Tegra2 still won the whats new gadget award from popular science magazine, just recently. Which is their top honor. I made a thread on it. Plus tegra2 was the 1st. Dual core. It paved the way for other newer dual cores. It basically brought Android to a whole nother level.
I will read your links shortly on the Darkside of things ;-)
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demandarin said:
Tegra2 still won the whats new gadget award from popular science magazine, just recently. Which is their top honor. I made a thread on it. Plus tegra2 was the 1st. Dual core. It paved the way for other newer dual cores. It basically brought Android to a whole nother level.
I will read your links shortly on the Darkside of things ;-)
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Popular Mechanics? Really? I totally agree Nvidia deserves props for being able to get both the first dual-cores and quad-cores to market. But first doesn't always mean best. And sometimes it just makes you a target. Technology's a marathon, not a sprint.
Here's a pretty detailed review of Exynos in the SGS2. It talks about differences between the various SoC designs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/14
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Popular Mechanics? Really? I totally agree Nvidia deserves props for being able to get both the first dual-cores and quad-cores to market. But first doesn't always mean best. And sometimes it just makes you a target. Technology's a marathon, not a sprint.
Here's a pretty detailed review of Exynos in the SGS2. It talks about differences between the various SoC designs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/14
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Yeah i was like "huh?" on the popular science article. T2 certainly paved the way, but exynos blows it out of the water. however it was also much later to the game...
Tegra2 just doesn't seem that well received overall, but it was the basis for some serious market growth in android tablets.
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Yeah i was like "huh?" on the popular science article. T2 certainly paved the way, but exynos blows it out of the water. however it was also much later to the game...
Tegra2 just doesn't seem that well received overall, but it was the basis for some serious market growth in android tablets.
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The fact that until 3.2 it was the only SoC that HC ran on certainly didn't hurt Nvidia's sales.
BarryH_GEG said:
The darker side of Teg 3:
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
The Exynos comparison wasn't even to Samsung's newest chip which is going to launch in the next Tab.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/
The Teg 3 may be the greatest thing known to silicon but it's still early. In everything but gaming, especially video playback, Teg 2 was the least impressive of the dual-cores.
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Interesting info on the Semiaccurate link BUT he is clearly biased against Nvidia. The reason is very silly also. Keep reading into the comments. All of his info is not correct/accurate..hence semi accurate..lmao his comparisons are way off as his main comparison to tegra3 is some future chip with smaller die. That chip he compares won't be here for a long time. By then the newer Nvdia chips will be out. Plus when he did this article it was on an uncompleted tegra3. Before they added the 5th core.
Do I believe Nvidia might've missed original targets n such? Sure..happens all the time. Still doesn't deny it's the best out now. That article is clearly biased though. Seems like all they trying to do is slam Nvidia. Even in comments section someone links a final Anandtech review of chip basically dismissing what the guy said from semi accurate. Article makes it seem like Tegra3 is a complete failure which we all know it's not. If it was, it wouldn't have been praised so much by basically all major reviewers n held as the most powerful tablet today.
Don't even let me get started on Nvidia's roadmap for future chipsets. Forget tegra3(kal el), kal el+, and Wayne chips. I'm jumping straight to STARKS chipset. Nothing will come close or even touch it. It'll be the equivalent to or more powerful than a PC class quad core CPU/GPU chipset over clocked to 3GHz per core. Basically 100% more powerful than Tegra2. I linked the article a couple weeks back or so.
Like my original link said though, Samsung will be the one to not be taken lightly also. Yes, this is a marathon of technology but I believe Nvidia is here for the long haul and will more than meet Everyones expectations.
There should be alot of Tegra 3 devices in 2012. Smart Phones and Tablets.
Per the CEO in their Nov 10th Earnings Report Q & A
I'm more confident in the Tegra 3 at this point than I was in the Tegra 2 at this point a year ago. We have alot more design wins. We're better at it. We have alot more engineers. We are engaging with alot more customers...
... Tegra 3, is pretty unambiguous. I feel more confident today than I did on the Tegra 2 cycle. ...
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NVIDIA has done it again. They announce the imminent release of new Tegra3 chip called the T3+ that will have Wayne & Grey variants. NVIDIA SUPER HERO CHIPS. GREY will have the new Nvdia Icera LTE radio in it. Likely replacement for qualcomm s4(due to them being unable to meet demand this year) chip. Check the OP for the updated info and link.
Rise from the dead, old thread. Nvidia strikes again!
Updated with even more news.
Any chance the Asus Infinity would get it as a last minute improvement. Considering Asus is charging a premium for that tablet, I would expect it to have the latest and greatest at launch. If not, will make you wonder if you should just pass on it and look for another tablet. I know we are always chasing the technology, but it seems the only way these manufacturers can sell top of the line is to pack the latest and greatest at time of launch.
i am still scratching my head what to get instead of the prime as the top of the line tablet.
demandarin said:
NVIDIA has done it again.
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Nvidia has done what again, exactly?
demandarin said:
[UPDATE] 4/20/2012
This week Nvidia has announced its newer Tegra3+ chips to be released that will have Icera voice over LTE radios in them. They will be called T3+. This will split off into the Wayne and Gray variants by Q3. The grey is the one THST will have the LTE radio. This makes nvidia the likely candidate and replacement for all tablets and mobile phones this year That was going to use Qualcomm S4 Snapdragon chip. Also once Q4 & Q1 of 2013 arrives, Tegra4 will be rolling out
QUALCOMM just officially announced it won't be able to make demand this year for the S4 chip due to manufacturing processes involving the 28nm S4 chip. So most tablets and phones that were originally going to use that chip will have to use a a different one. This is were Nvidia will likely step in and take over. I posted the link to THST qualcomm news in the infinity pad thread. Its all over the major tech sites now though, so take a look if you doubt that news.
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Not really true, as Nvidia is facing the same supply constraints as well, since they both use the same supply manufacturers. (such as TSMC)
And it's not like suddenly there will be no supply of S4 chips. Just not enough to meet the high demand from Apple. The supply constraints will most likely be solved by the end of this year making it temporary at best.
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Nvidia has done what again, exactly?
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Created yet another PowerPoint slide describing a wonderous future. I'd like to see less PPT slides and more actual evidence of some of what their describing being far along in the development process. Their keep talking about chips being released this year (it's already April) but there haven't been any comments from semi-accurate or AnandTech with detail or any test mules released for review. You'd expect both if a chip was being released in a few months. As they say, talk is cheap.
Despite launching last year, the fact that the total number of tegra3 devices currently available can be counted on one hand is extremely telling.
Besides, tegra isn't even the fastest gpu in the mobile market. I believe the powervr series is.
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Nvidia has done what again, exactly?
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NVIDIA rebrands old into new.
This guy dont know what he talkiing about..lmfao
walie said:
Despite launching last year, the fact that the total number of tegra3 devices can be counted on one hand is extremely telling.
Besides, tegra isn't even the fastest gpu in the mobile market. I believe the powervr series is.
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GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME TALKIING. IM TEGRA3 KING AROUND HERE.
HTTP://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1
TABLETS&PHONES
1) transformer prime-dec. 2011 t egra3 ap30h & t20
2)htc one x s270e(htc supreme)-april 2012 tegra3 ap33H
3)transformer 300-APRIL/MAY 2012 TEGRA3 T20
4)transformer infinity pad- may/june 2012 tegra3 T33
5)Acer 510-APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
6)htc one xt(htc endeavor)-may 2012 tegra3 ap33h
7) Toshiba Excite 7 T AT270 / Excite 7.7 AT275- june 2012 tegra3 t33
8) Toshiba Excite 13 T AT330 / Excite 13.3 AT335- june 2012 tegra3 T33
9) Toshiba Excite 10 T AT300 / Excite 10.1 AT305- may 2012 tegra3 T33
10) ZTE T98- july 2012 tegra3 T30S
11) ZTE PF100-july 2012 tegra3 T30S
12)ZTE ERA- JULY 2012 tegra3 AP30H
13)HTC QUATTRO- MAY 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
14) LG P880 Optimus 4X HD (LG X3)- JUNE 2012 AP30H
15) Acer Iconia Tab A700- APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
16) Fujitsu Stylistic M532- MARCH/APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
17)GOOGLE NEXUS TABLET MADE BY ASUS- SUMMER 2012 TEGRA3
P.S. TEGRA3 IS THE MOST POWERFUL ANDROID TABLET CHIP OUT NOW AND HAS BEEN SIMCE DECEMBER. MOST POWERFUL CPU & GPU
TEGRA3 IS THE TALK OF THE TOWN. YOU BETTER ACT LIKE YOU KNOW.
Show me another chip maker that will have this many tablets and some phones with a comparable powerful chip by july at the latest. its not samsung, its not qualcomm(THEY crippled and cant even meet s4 demand till 2013..lol), its not t.i. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, TABLET MARKET WILL BE SATURATED WITH TEGRA3
2012 IS THE YEAR OF TEGRA3
CLASS IS OVER. YOU'VE BEEN SCHOOLED
demandarin said:
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME TALKIING. IM TEGRA3 KING AROUND HERE.
HTTP://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1
TABLETS&PHONES
1) transformer prime-dec. 2011 t egra3 ap30h & t20
2)htc one x s270e(htc supreme)-april 2012 tegra3 ap33H
3)transformer 300-APRIL/MAY 2012 TEGRA3 T20
4)transformer infinity pad- may/june 2012 tegra3 T33
5)Acer 510-APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
6)htc one xt(htc endeavor)-may 2012 tegra3 ap33h
7) Toshiba Excite 7 T AT270 / Excite 7.7 AT275- june 2012 tegra3 t33
8) Toshiba Excite 13 T AT330 / Excite 13.3 AT335- june 2012 tegra3 T33
9) Toshiba Excite 10 T AT300 / Excite 10.1 AT305- may 2012 tegra3 T33
10) ZTE T98- july 2012 tegra3 T30S
11) ZTE PF100-july 2012 tegra3 T30S
12)ZTE ERA- JULY 2012 tegra3 AP30H
13)HTC QUATTRO- MAY 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
14) LG P880 Optimus 4X HD (LG X3)- JUNE 2012 AP30H
15) Acer Iconia Tab A700- APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
16) Fujitsu Stylistic M532- MARCH/APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H
17)GOOGLE NEXUS TABLET MADE BY ASUS- SUMMER 2012 TEGRA3
P.S. TEGRA3 IS THE MOST POWERFUL ANDROID TABLET CHIP OUT NOW AND HAS BEEN SIMCE DECEMBER. MOST POWERFUL CPU & GPU
TEGRA3 IS THE TALK OF THE TOWN. YOU BETTER ACT LIKE YOU KNOW.
Show me another chip maker that will have this many tablets and some phones with a comparable powerful chip by july at the latest. its not samsung, its not qualcomm(THEY crippled and cant even meet s4 demand till 2013..lol), its not t.i. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, TABLET MARKET WILL BE SATURATED WITH TEGRA3
2012 IS THE YEAR OF TEGRA3
CLASS IS OVER. YOU'VE BEEN SCHOOLED
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I said currently available, not in july, not in summer, none of the bolded products above are available for purchase from places like amazon or brick and mortar stores, some haven't even been officially announced yet (ie, the nexus tablet)
you need to calm down, you've regressed to a ranting, raving lunatic around here
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I have owned my G Tablet basically since it first came out. It has been a great little tablet, especially with all the custom roms available for it.
While the G Tab has it's cons like screen viewing angles, the positives definitely out weigh the negatives in my opinion.
I was thinking of getting another tablet. But, every time I compare what's out there now like the Xoom, Playbook, Samsung Galaxy to the G Tablet, I just cannot justify getting a new tablet.
The G Tab has an excellent processor, great battery life and wonderful community support. The only thing I can think of that the G Tab doesn't have is a HD rear cam for video recording. Which, in reality doesn't worry me to much because I have other devices, such as my phone for video.
What's your opinion? Is there any tablet out there you are considering as a replacement for the G Tablet? Or is it a better idea to see what the next generation of tablet brings?
I think I'm going to wait for the quad core Tegra's. The chip is supposed to have 5x the performance of a Tegra2.
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I hadnt even HEARD about the quad cores, whos releasing those?
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WOW
ok answered
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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WOW
ok answered
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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I see you found your answer. NVidia started shipping tech samples back in Feb with planned release this summer. I'm sure others will jump on the boat after the current crop of tab are out for a while...they do want to recoup some of their investment on the newest tablets, but I'll be waiting.
If you check NVidia, they have a whole line of Tegra processors planned through 2013, utlimately reaching 75x the performance of Tegra2.
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Today I would not buy a gTablet, but I don't think it's the right time to buy another tablet either. It's not just because 'the next generation will be better'. It's also because, 'the next generation lowers prices on the current generation'.
We are seeing more new tablets approach the $300 mark, either due to $100-off coupons or tablets just being priced low (i.e. Acer Iconia A100, 7-inch Tegra 2 Honeycomb tablet will be coming out at a rumored $300 price). Soon the choice may be between a $300 transformer, brand-new $300 Acer, and a $200 (if not totally discontinued) gTablet.
Tablets are rapidly evolving so I understand the upgrade cycle will be faster than, say, TVs or desktop computers. Even so, personally I will not upgrade more often than once a year; I'm not made of money. Late winter/spring 2012 we will have new tablets with 4.0/Ice cream, Tegra 3, and post-Christmas pricing might be more attractive. That's just me.
Tegra roadmap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
Jaycard, I'm in the same position, for the same reasons.
I don't need a newer operating system right now and my gtab runs any app my phone does.
Also every time I look at the newer tabs, I have to think, gee my Viewsonic can already do that.
For now it has been a good buy and and meets my needs.
So I'm going to wait till next year before I upgrade.
Maybe that Staples coupon was a real temptation.
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Well my moms buying me a tablet for my birthday/Christmas present and idk if I should get this one I have it preordered on newegg but idk convince me please
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I say you should wait for Wayne.
What can kal-el+ bring that you missing in Prime?
When it's come to electronic there are always better things around the corner. If you want a tablet now you buy Prime.
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I figured as much!
Yeah then later i will get a new phone as i have an upgrade waiting im just waiting for sprint to release new phones!
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I'd say get the prime and sit on it for 2 years till 2014. That's when the latest ultimate Nvidia chipset will be released called Stark. Even more powerful than Wayne. Nvidia showed there future chart of chips and officially announced the Stark chip. It comes after Wayne. It's said it will be 100x more powerful than Tegra 2. They said that's the equivalent to having 4 Pc cores over clocked to 3.5GHz or faster. Now that's the power I want n will wait for once I get my hands on a prime. I believe in the apple gpu is better thread there is a link someone(jeewong) posted to this info Nvidia revealed. Nvidia has big plans to take over high powered mobile chipsets. Can't wait to see what the future will bring.
There's no real point in waiting for Kal-El+ if you ask me. This time next year, the Cortex A15 processors will drop by, bringing out-of-order execution and ARM's bigLITTLE technology (which uses low power A7 cores much like Nvidia's companion core, but a more sophisticated implementation). After that, processors based on the 64-bit ARMv8 will arrive (my guess is that Stark will be ARMv8, but it's just a guess).
New tech will arrive all the time. If you need a tablet now, buy it now.
i think you should wait
until i get my prime, and then you can order one for yourself.
but as with all tech, there's always something better on the horizon, you need to find something you like, and bite the bullet and enjoy it at some point, and so far the prime looks to be a great tablet.
http://www.slashgear.com/acer-iconia-tab-a510-tipped-to-hit-europe-in-march-14213354/
Interesting if this story holds true... MWC should be interesting with all the tablet announcements.
Iconia Tab a510 for roughly the same price as Prime...
HTC Quattro/Vertigo/whatever it is called now.... rumored to be released in March
& iPad 2S or iPad 3 from Apple...
All due for March... or at least based on speculation/rumor/media report..
As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
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In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
Google's acquisition of Motorola doesn't interest me much. Not only is Google new & inexperienced in hardware division but you'll see some serious displeasure from other OEM (such as Samsung) if they were to "favor" Motorola... & create Google phone/tablets.
Granted I have my doubts on Win 8 (even as win dev.), if Google were to favor Motorola over other OEM, that'll certainly fuel & help OEMs switch their focus to Win 8 (heck, majority of them are paying MS already anyways for all the android devices they sell... they might as well just make the full switch & support Win 8 over Android instead).
demandarin said:
The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
junrider said:
I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
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We don't know anything about Apple's next tablet. Everything up to this point has been RUMORS and speculation. The only "concrete" rumor that I have seem so far is the leaked picture of iOS being ready for quad-core. Btw, A6 is quad-core that is on 28nm (Tegra 3 is 40nm). Although, according to this link: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/08...e+(MacRumors+iPhone+Blog:+iOS+News+and+Rumors)
it could be dual-core as well. Either way, everything about Apple's next-gen products are nothing but rumors until their press event.
We'll find more about Apple's next-gen tablet in March.
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
wow, if you thought asus was bad at making hardware, wait until you get a load of acer. out of the frying pan and into the fire...
nyijedi said:
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
demandarin said:
nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
demandarin said:
nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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The few issues on the Galaxy Nexus (actually, I can only think of one that affected users overseas due to certain cell phone frequencies), were quickly and effectively addressed with an update. That's more than can be said for the numerous Prime problems.
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
2. if you are looking for a tf201+dock alternative then i would keep an eye on the upcoming Lenovo IdeaPad S2. it will be released in Q2/Q3, probably around the same time as asus' TF700T. lenovo has a MUCH better track record of manufacturing quality than either asus or acer and hopefully this will continue with the S2. as far as features go, the S2 is essentially a tf201+dock clone with some minor variation in specs. perhaps the biggest concern is that lenovo looks to be modifying their version of android much more than asus has, and this is rarely a good thing. one of the many tech blog articles about the S2 is here:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
nyijedi said:
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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I don't think the nexus has any better support. The difference is they are so open that the developer community can fix the software side of things which seems to be the biggest issue with Android for the most part. I am with you and only buy Nexus phones. I would buy a nexus tablet if it was available but hope that with an unlocked bootloader the Prime can be a close second eventually.
Even though we haven't heard a lot about it, the HTC Vertex (formerly Quattro) may be the next quad-core released. March-ish is the rumor. HTC's holding a press conference on the 27th at MWC to announced a bunch of devices. I had a Jetstream for a while and it was incredibly well built. Sense and all of its widgets were pretty cool in tablet form too.
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HTC to focus on quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in 2012
Daniel Shen, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Monday 21 November 2011]
HTC will focus on the production of quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in the first half of 2012 competing with comparable devices to be released by rivals including Asustek Computer, Acer, Samsung Electronics and Lenovo, according to industry sources.
Competition for the quad-core chip segment among Qualcomm, Nvidia and Texas Instruments is heating up competition in the quad-core device sector, the sources noted.
While Asustek will spearhead the production of quad-core tablet PCs in December 2011, HTC will be a strong contender in the segment by releasing its first quad-core tablet, the HTC Quattro, in March 2012 at the earliest, the sources revealed.
The 10.1-inch Quattro will be powered a Nvidia Tegra 3 CPU and supports HTC Scribe, Beats audio, 3.5G/Wi-Fi, and HTC and Dropbox cloud services, according to smartphone blog pocketnow.com.
The pocketnow.com website also noted that the initial Nvidia quad-core lineups will also include the HTC Edge smartphone. The Edge will be also powered by an Nvidia 1.5GHz Tegra 3 CPU and come with a 4.7-inch display, 8-megapixel camera and 32GB memory, and supports HTC Sense 4.0 interface, HTC Watch, HTC Listen, HTC Read and HTC Play, stated a post on the pocketnow.com website.
HTC is also developing another quad-core smartphone, the HTC Zeta, which will be powered by a Qualcomm 2.5GHz CPU and equipped with a 4.5-inch display, 8-megapixel camera as well as Beats, HTC Sense 4.0 and complete cloud content, according to technology site engadget.
Editor's note: This article has been updated to properly attribute the information sources.
jaypm said:
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
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Samsung does the actual manufacturing, but the phone is designed with input from Google. There's an official video from Google on Youtube that talks about this process.
More importantly -- and you touched on this issue -- the software and updates are done by Google, and they seem to do this very competently, unlike Asus (see their .13 update that screwed up a bunch of Primes, mine included).
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
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Technically the A5xx series has 1280x800 and the A7xx has 1920x1200. I was at CES and played with the A510 and it was a very nice and smooth device. Not as sleek looking as the Prime but it has a plastic back so it has a high chance of having better wifi, gps. Possibly not have any wifi+BT issue either (my acer a100 doesnt seem to have it). Also has micro usb/charger port in 1. So no need for proprietary Asus usb cable. I'm not sure what to call the charging connector though cause it looks like a micro usb but has a slight tab on the center. It's not MHL for sure. I forgot though if it had a full USB on the side. Need to check the rest of my pictures on my phone.
So for anyone not really into using a kb dock then this is a very competitive device against the Prime. As far as rear camera goes I'm not sure everyone uses it or at least I don't care for it as I have my phone camera thats easier to hold for taking pictures. So having one in the 1st place is just a plus. Posted some pics here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451699
Col.Kernel said:
Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
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its the truth..lol wasn't even comparing it to prime. Justba fact of technology. he made it seem google nexus is flawless, which its not. so I made my point already I didn't even mention prime so stop assuming. makes an ass of u and me. Ass U me lol
For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
More info: around October 2012 release @ earliest for Wayne/second most powerful version
1)Confirmation first version of Tegra4 will be 28nm Quad core A15 Cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and will have a 24 Core high powered GPU
2)SECOND version of tegra4 will be alot more powerful than the first. It will have no less than a 8 core CPU and have between a 32-64 Core GPU which will be DirectX compliant and more high standards. Look at screenshots for details
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UPDATE 3/30/2012: Tegra4 will more than likely be Keplar based. All indications point to it.
Some details and facts on the matter:
-" Nvidia’s Tegra 4, codenamed Wayne, included assertions that Nvidia’s next-gen SoC will use a Kepler-derived graphics core. That’s probably true, but the implications are considerably wider than a simple boost to the chip’s graphics performance. Tegra 4, also known as T40, could very well be a fundamental game-changer for Nvidia and the most important Tegra product to date"
-Improved Game Performance:
" The GPU that powers Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 has a fixed number of pixel and vertex shaders and is much more closely related to GeForce 7-era products than the Unified Shader Architecture Nvidia debuted with the G80 (GeForce 8). When Nvidia describes T2 & 3 as “fully programmable,” it’s true — but it’s not at all the same as being DirectCompute/CUDA/OpenCL-compatible. Current Tegra products are capable of running complex shader programs, but not the general-purpose code that makes things like PhysX or GPGPU calculations possible"
Unifying of Shader Architecture
-" GPUs with a Unified Shader Architecture (all Nvidia products from G80 onwards) have two advantages over their fixed-function cousins. First, they’re more efficient. A fixed-function GPU’s performance can vary considerably from game to game depending on whether a title emphasizes pixel shading or model geometry; this is quite visible when comparing performance between Tegra 2/3 and the SGX 544. A Kepler-based GPU would be much more flexible, able to allocate its execution resources to process either workload. This can indirectly lead to decreased power usage — a wide array of more efficient stream processors doesn’t necessarily need to run at nearly as high a clockspeed as a fixed-function chip.
Second, and arguably more important, is their ability to handle functions that would normally be processed on the CPU. This is where we expect T40 to come into its own."
-" As a software SDK for physics calculation, Nvidia’s PhysX solution has been quite successful; it’s used in nearly 400 games across consoles and PCs"
Tegra4 Goes Beyond Gaming
-" Tegra 4 also gives Nvidia a fresh platform with which to bundle its Icera modem and DirectTouch products. Its Icera product family is a set of softmodems for LTE and WiFi, while DirectTouch is technology that “improves touch responsiveness by offloading some of the touch processing that is typically performed by touch controllers and touch modules onto the Nvidia Tegra 3 application processor [Companion Core]. The architecture also simplifies the implementation of touch based hardware and user interfaces, requiring less power while delivering more scalable performance.”
Speaking of the Companion Core, Tegra 4 will almost certainly include an enhanced version of the architecture. With Tegra 3, Nvidia chose to build an array of five Cortex-A9 cores — in Tegra 4, the company could opt to adopt the sort of hybrid strategy ARM introduced with big.LITTLE (Cortex-A15 cores for heavy lifting with a Cortex-A7 chip for low power) or use a hybrid A9/A15 arrangement"
-" A Kepler-based GPU will also likely improve Tegra 4′s video encode/decode capabilities as compared to Tegra 3. This is one area where the T2/T3 family is significantly more advanced than the GeForce 7-era hardware they resemble in other respects, but a GK104-derived chip could improve the situation further by either increasing power efficiency, supporting a wider variety of formats and standards, or providing an increased number of post-processing options"
-" Nvidia has always marketed CUDA as a capability that could exponentially increase performance, but the company’s efforts in this area have mostly been confined to scientific computing or high-end industrial applications" Opportunity for CUDA is in Tegra4
VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT HERE!
-" Nvidia can’t count on the Cortex-A15 as a differentiator, given that the likes of Samsung and Texas Instruments will have their own A15-based products out by the end of the year as well. Graphics are the logical area for Nvidia to emphasize; a mobile GPU based on Kepler would be far more advanced than anything currently offered by Imagination Technologies’ PowerVR, ARM’s Mali, or the aging Adreno core."
-" We expect the company will attempt to position Tegra 4 as a chip that can leverage its GPU in ways that are beyond its competition. If the hardware delivers and the software support is in place, it could give Nvidia a potent weapon against OMAP5, Exynos, and future Medfield products from Intel."
Source: Extreme Tech www.extremetech.com/computing/12433...could-revolutionize-smartphone-capabilities/2
updated OP with a great read on future of CPU technology, Scaling, etc.. for the tech heads who love this type of stuff.
2012 and the first half of 2013 are going to be interesting for Nvidia because their going to be battling some formidable competitors with Teg3. From the article the story was sourced from...
The silicon took some time to get back and the company is now starting to sample its OEM partners with the next generation parts which will be launched at the next years' CES and MWC. You can probably expect a repeat of the Tegra 3 launch - limited run of units through a single vendor (in case of Tegra 3, it was ASUS and Transformer Prime tablet), and mass availability in the second quarter of 2013.
MWC 2013 will also see the debut of Grey, a 28nm single-chip package which combines Cortex-A15 cores, the new GPU and the Icera 4G LTE baseband. Grey is a successor of T28, which is a dual-core Tegra 2 combined with an Icera 450 baseband chip. The Tegra+Icera debuted at the show in the form of ZTE Mimosa X smartphone.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/mwc-201...ra-4-to-oem-partners/15014.html#ixzz1njqVFXy0
demandarin said:
For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
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I'm actually surprised by the link. The author from Extremetech & VR-Zone both have.. or at least have pessimistic view toward Tegra...
For example, Extremetech is already pessimistic towards Tegra 3..
"Krait is a processing core that is unique to Qualcomm, and is designed to compete with Cortex-A15, not the older A9 used in Tegra 3. If this is indicative of what manufacturers can do with A15, OMAP5 and the revamped Exynos could also prove problematic for Nvidia’s Tegra 3"
Another quote from VR-Zone:
"unlike the roadmap which we have here, we've been told that there might be some delays for the T40 since NVIDIA has to attack Qualcomm Snapdragon, and if the company won't offer Tegra 4+Baseband - Qualcomm will get (most) of the design wins.
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Wordlywisewiz said:
Yes it was but he posts a thread every hour about how cool and awesome nvidia/asus/prime/tegra3/Tegra4 and links to news sources I mean find something better to do man
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Funny you would say that he should find something better to do
He's one of the only guys not whining and complaining like most people do in this forum... +1 from me and thx 4 the news.
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With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP.
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I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Very well worded that's what I was getting at his threads tend to be very fan boyish and always lean towards the prime being the best... Usually fan boyness happens in other fourms like you should post stuff like this in ipad fourms
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demandarin said:
I partially agree but with all the other b.s. threads that has nothing to do with Prime, this will fit right in. plus there's a good chance Asus will use this chip since Asus claims to want to be first at things now. plus its related to Nvidia/tegra3. so its relevant
I'd suggest telling same thing to all the other non prime threads.
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Great... they couldn't get it right with the Prime so now they can blunder through & fiddle with a Tegra 4. "First at things"for Asus is proving to be half baked.
BarryH_GEG said:
I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Agreed. Mostly about the blind, unsubstantiated support of teg3/prime and never considering anything could be better or outperform it. I like the guy but the level of fanboi is the highest I have ever seen. We all like to support put devices and tout them as the best, but it gets to a level of pure insanity at times...
You guys wouldn't believe what showed up at my door again today. lol...Let me just say that some C2's have bluetooth and wifi fixed. But wifi range is still garbage.
I don't care what anyone says, Asus International rocks! Welcome me back guys.
Did you buy another prime? Or did they send you another free tablet?
PM sent......
Op updated with more Tegra4 info and facts. First version will be 28nm Quad Core A15 cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and 24 core GPU. Along with confirmation of second version having 8 core CPU and 32-64 core GPU. Projected October 2012 release date. Now this is something to wait for.
Major update in the OP. Just scroll down to 3/30/2012 update.
TEGRA4 WILL LIKELY BE KEPLAR BASED! I'm keeping prime until this releases. No other chip announced to come out will come close to this kind of power, capabilities, and potential. Nvidia looking to revolutionize the industry again. Tegra4 will be the chip to be excited and anxious for.
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
BuZzCoRe said:
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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here's the thing, Samsungs new chip is not out yet and won't be for at least a couple to few more months. So that'll mean Nvidia tegra3 held the title of most powerful Android chip for at least half the year or more. so that's not shortly overtaken. plus when these other chips come out, Tegra4 will be also. Tegra4 said to release q4/fall of this year. So nvidia will overtake those again.
show me a Android chip out right now considered and shown to be more powerful than Tegra3 then ill be quiet. Show me a release date on a product using any Android chip more powerful than tegra3. There is none shown to come within a month or two or even 3. Tegra3 will have then been dominant chip for half the year or more. Market is already about to be flooded with more tegra3 based tablets. So these other chipmakers are actually behind the curve. not Nvidia.
as far as no since in increasing performance power when no proper software support, that's not on Nvidia, that has been the story of Android as a whole its whole life. I've always said its better for software optimation vs. constant hardware spec war. Since all android manufacturers want to continue the spec wars, then Nvidia is making sure to bring the big guns. Android marketing is a different beast than apples. Android focuses more on hardware specs and features. It'll be on Google and developers to bring the software up to speed.
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
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Andreas527 said:
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
Asus Prime & Tapatalk
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I agree completely. But since Android as a whole is stuck on throwing hardware specs around and being more powerful, we'll just roll with the punches then.
I've always said software is the key. Currently Im satisfied with android experience. I've already had the first Ipad for 2yrs. and experienced IOS. IMO Android is alot better and more productive. So i will be getting a tegra4 tablet once it does come. to me, only thing worth waiting for.
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To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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Mobile SOC are one of the fastest moving industries in the tech world. A 4-6 month lead on release is HUGE because that is half the product cycle. I think Nvidia is doing a great job personally, but for them to get more design wins they have to be "in" the inner circle. Part of business is having a compelling product that is highly profitable and the other part is strictly relationship based.
This is the reason that my store in Virginia is slowly but surely taking off. We have a product that is better quality, 50% cheaper and have an industry leading return policy with a showroom that is LEAPS AND BOUNDS above what any competitors have to offer. With all that being said my employees are better trained and more knowledgeable.
BUT.... my competitors are still thriving.. Why? Because they have been the "big boys" on the block for the last 45 years and we have been here about 5..
Will our sales numbers over take theirs? Without a doubt, but it will take a while to "win" people over and establish our relationship with the community.
Assuming Intel or AMD doesnt get too serious about SOCs I think Nvidia will be a world leader, but it will take a bit to gain ground.
I for one think their 4 plus 1 architecture is brilliant. I would have liked to see a better GPU, but that will come. Fact of the matter is Tegra 3 is small, cheap, profitable, quick and drains not too much power for what it is capable of. THey just need to get their LTE chipset in line as that cost them a TON of business.
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Yep I have to agree about all this power & yet we lack on the software end of it.I may be looking at a tablet that Asus has with i think it's an I-5 or a I-7 processor in it.Yes it is a windows tablet & battery life isn't that good but the power & software are good.So if these Win 8 tablets or the new Tegra 4 isn't up to par then it's on to a windows tablet.
I'm sure this news will be frustrating to hear from many Nexus 10 owners, I am still going through replacements to get a good screen without light bleed and dead pixels and then I hear about this.
Thoughts ??
The popular tablet already features a decently fast 1.7GHz dual-core Exynos processor alongside a Mali-T604 GPU. However, new rumors suggest that it will soon beef up with a quad-core processor and a brand new 8-core Mali-T678 GPU.
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Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/490480/google-nexus-10-to-receive-major-upgrades-more-power/
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mattzildjian said:
I'm sure this news will be frustrating to hear from many Nexus 10 owners.
The popular tablet already features a decently fast 1.7GHz dual-core Exynos processor alongside a Mali-T604 GPU. However, new rumors suggest that it will soon beef up with a quad-core processor and a brand new 8-core Mali-T678 GPU.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/490480/google-nexus-10-to-receive-major-upgrades-more-power/
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I hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111301
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2109422
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2108875
styckx said:
I hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111301
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2109422
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2108875
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I am surprised none of these are on the front page of general, none of them even showed up in the similar posts when I was making this thread.
because next to no one else is really reporting it. so complete rumour/potential bs at this point.
this wont come out till the fall anyway... 1 year life cycle is typical isnt it?
waltthizzney said:
this wont come out till the fall anyway... 1 year life cycle is typical isnt it?
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Very typical. The problem is the terrible source story is written like Google is going to have a girl in a bikini pop out of a cake and deliver this new device on the shelves of Walmart in a few weeks with a card in the package telling early adopters to eat crap.
Fourth thread to say the exact same thing with absolultely no credible sources for any of the info stated.
"New rumors suggest" = flimsy puff piece. And do you guys typically get breaking Android news from sites like "thebrightsideofthenews.com" and the "inquisitr.com?" I sure don't. And like styckx said above, use the friggin search button or at least take time to review the front page because all three other threads discussing this very same issue are on it.
Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
i9100g user said:
Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
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Maybe, but the market will pretty much always be like this. I wouldn't get too bogged down in those specs for a tablet.
i9100g user said:
Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
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...and 3-4 months after that there will be rumors of the next big thing. Such is the mobile tech market. If your constantly waiting for the next best one, you will never have anything.
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newellj79 said:
...and 3-4 months after that there will be rumors of the next big thing. Such is the mobile tech market. If your constantly waiting for the next best one, you will never have anything.
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^ So much this.
I used to work for Circuit City and I'd have to deal with this constantly. I was there for two years and I saw some of the same few customers two years later still "shopping" for a new TV that I saw shopping for a new TV my first month with the company. It got to the point I didn't even acknowledge them anymore and my boss didn't comprehend they were in the redundant technology chasing black hole. They'd constantly come in with notebooks (the worst customers are notebook customers) full of specs and charts and graphics and comparisons, print outs from the internet of reviews etc etc etc.. Holy crap I'm just annoyed even reminiscing about it.
I truly respect anyone who can make a living selling technology because it's one of the worst sales jobs next to selling mattresses. Which I've also done.
burhanistan said:
Maybe, but the market will pretty much always be like this. I wouldn't get too bogged down in those specs for a tablet.
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Sure you can run Starcraft II HOTS on your tablet, or Skyrim, or DmC...
oh wait you will be running Shadowgun at most, like any other...
Not going to be that person to brave the waters of this new Nexus 10. It could prove to be disasterous. Take the Transformer Infinity for example. The Transformer Prime was great in terms of processing and smoothness, but Asus messed up the Infinity tablet to the point that it had major I/O / lag issues. I owned the Prime and not the Infinity so I'm basing the Infinity performance on what people has said in these forums.
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Take the Transformer Infinity for example. The Transformer Prime was great in terms of processing and smoothness, but Asus messed up the Infinity tablet to the point that it had major I/O / lag issues. I owned the Prime and not the Infinity so I'm basing the Infinity performance on what people has said in these forums.
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Damn I really needed a laugh today, as a former owner of both the 201 and 700, between the two I had, C1/C6 there was no comparison in which was better. Wifi/BT/GPS was horrendous on my C1 not to mention the screen upgrade. Doesn't really matter though, both have pitiful I/O performance which has been well documented I'm only going to link a few but man LOL
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...hmark-11-modern-devices-compared-in-13-tests/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595531
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1757765
Even if they upgrade the hardware in 6 months, I'd still take my N10 over my old 201 & 700 any day of the week!
More recently users have been noticing very poor performance with ASUS Android tablets whenever there's substantial background IO going on, particularly multitasking while writes are taking place (e.g. downloading a torrent and browsing the web). The slowdowns range from multi-second long pauses to sluggish response time.
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So what, tech gets updated fast, you will never have the best in the market for a very long time.
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I was an early adopter of the Nexus 7 (8GB), and it ended up being discontinued shortly after I bought it and then the 16GB takes its place with the same price...
Really hoping a new Nexus 10 doesn't surface this quickly :/
espionage724 said:
I was an early adopter of the Nexus 7 (8GB), and it ended up being discontinued shortly after I bought it and then the 16GB takes its place with the same price...
Really hoping a new Nexus 10 doesn't surface this quickly :/
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Same here I was a little irked getting the 16 at $250 then the 32GB was out but what can you do, I highly doubt we'll see a hardware revision until at least Google I/O
Such is the technology world. Don't get to upset over rumors of a beefier n10. I'd be inclined to guess that this won't happen until late 2013, if it happens at all. If a new and amazingly better n10 comes out q4 2013, it will be very easy to sell your current n10 and grab the new one. Just my .02.... BC this is what I would do. This happens (as a poster stated before) with electronics. Not big news.
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Could Google be announcing the next Nexus 10 at Mobile World Congress?
CES 2013 has just come to an end and there are already rumors about for Mobile World Congress 2013. Among them is potential news for the next generation of Google’s Nexus 10.
Google did very well in the tablet market in 2012 by producing good tablets at a decent cost. More people could afford them and their specs helped them work well. The Nexus 10 second generation could be a lot more interesting.
The rumor comes from Theo Valich from Bright Side of News. If the rumors prove true, then the Nexus 10 second gen is going to be a beast of a tablet. At a quick glance, here are some of the rumored specs.
Mali T678 GPGPU
2GB RAM
Support for OpenCL 1.1, OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0/3.0, and Google’s Renderscript Compute
As you can see, there isn’t a lot there. However, if these rumors prove to be true, the Nexus 10 2 could be the most powerful tablet produced so far. Things like screen resolution, storage sizes, CPU, and other specs haven’t been mentioned yet, so there is still room for a pitfall or two when the final design comes out.
Are any of these Nexus 10 2 rumors true?
It’s hard to say. Theo Valich has claimed to have played with an unfinished version of the Nexus 10 2. However, the specs so far have been a mix of rumor and speculation. So, as usual, take it as it is since it is an unconfirmed rumor. It’s nice to daydream about such things. However, the 2GB of RAM should prove true as it’s the current standard for Android devices.
One thing for sure is that we’ll know more about it eventually. With Google I/O coming up soon, it’s hard to imagine Google announcing a Nexus device at another tech conference. Do you think MWC 2013 will hold some new Google magic or will Google be saving it for Google I/O? More importantly, are any of these specs believable or possible? Let us know your thoughts.
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What do you think? I just ordering my Nexus 10, should I cancel it? :crying: