So I have an evo 4g with unrevoked s-off, an evo 3d with revolutionary s-soff, and an evo view 4g with revolutionary s-off.
Now my understanding with unrevoked is that the s-off is permanent and not tied to the hboot. Meaning it does not matter if the hboot is updated after the device is already s-off. I have used various RUU exe's to reset my evo4g without losing soff, simply flashing recovery via hboot will allow me to reroot or flash a different rom.
But from what I am gathering about revolutionary, is that the s-off is tied to the hboot, so that if you upgrade hboot then you lose the s-off?
Is this correct?
What is preventing us from getting an unrevoked type of s-off?
TeknoJnky said:
But from what I am gathering about revolutionary, is that the s-off is tied to the hboot, so that if you upgrade hboot then you lose the s-off?
Is this correct?
What is preventing us from getting an unrevoked type of s-off?
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Well yes and no. As far as we know the Revolutionary's S-Off is "permeant". However the official View's HC built has a different HBoot which is required to use with HC, and it needs to be updated in order to use HC. Thus why there are many reports of S-Off GB device has soft-brick after accepting the official HC update (but was able to revert back to GB with RUU).
Until the devs get their hands on the new HBoot we'll just either have to wait or go back to S-ON and stick with the HC and new HBoot.
Why? Lack of popularity on the View's end. Flyer is a world-wide device while View is State-bond only. But given time, it'll be solved.
read up on the difference between ENG S-OFF and RADIO S-OFF if you what to know the difference.
The issue here is the fact the HC hboot is modified for the flyer and view in a way we don't normally have to deal with. If there was an official HTC unlock for the view, I would say by all means go ahead and upgrade and we'll fix the S-OFF later, but there is not so you have to either wait or go back completely stock and stay that way for the foreseeable future.
globatron said:
read up on the difference between ENG S-OFF and RADIO S-OFF if you what to know the difference.
The issue here is the fact the HC hboot is modified for the flyer and view in a way we don't normally have to deal with. If there was an official HTC unlock for the view, I would say by all means go ahead and upgrade and we'll fix the S-OFF later, but there is not so you have to either wait or go back completely stock and stay that way for the foreseeable future.
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I get my View in the next few days so i should leave it stock
or
Root it via your instructions in the other thread and not accept the HC update. Just wait until you have a method to go to HC.
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So, I've been doing some looking around and not finding anything directly answering this question. I'm reasonably sure it's true but I wanted to check an make sure.
With having HBOOT version 1.5, there is currently no way to get S-off, right? I unlocked my HBOOT 1.5 phone using HTC's official unlock, but of course this doesn't allow things like kernel flashing. I know with previous HBOOT versions, you can use Revolutionary to get S-Off for this and it's something they are working on. But as of right now, there is no way to get S-Off for HBOOT 1.5, yes?
Looks like someone just posted this same question right as I was.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255344
No S-OFF with Hboot 1.5 but you are mistaken you can flash kernels. I will save you the trouble on searching:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17107369#post17107369
You sir, are my hero. I don't know how I missed that.
Followed the guide from Paul on Modac, while attempting to unlock the bootloader I ran into an error that was resolved by updating fastboot. I successfully rooted,flashed custom rom and booted. I noticed that while in bootloader I went from S-OFF to S-ON. The fast boot error came attempting " 'fastboot flash recovery revolutionary-cwm-4.0.1.4-flyer.newhboot.img' " The error 'Locked' the bootloader. After I updated fastboot above command worked, BUT I was now back to S-On.
What part of the process should I redo in order to get S-OFF back?
What are my limitations with S-ON?
Any thoughts, comments, suggestions and especially solutions are appreciated.
Also the haptic buttons ( same row as pen button) do NOT work. They do not light and are not usable
Yeah the buttons don't work in honeycomb because you have the on screen buttons to do the job.
And It's normal to have s-on. HTC's method only unlocks the bootloader. I'm pretty sure you aren't able to flash kernels or something like that.
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Gumby63 said:
Yeah the buttons don't work in honeycomb because you have the on screen buttons to do the job.
And It's normal to have s-on. HTC's method only unlocks the bootloader. I'm pretty sure you aren't able to flash kernels or something like that.
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I was able to flash a custom rom.
Just got home from work. Revolutionary does not support the HC bootloader version 1.11.0006.
My question is, what part of the process caused my device to go from S-ON->S-OFF-> Back to S-ON?
I know I'm limited now, can I downgrade my bootloader version 1.11.0003 or 1.11.0000?
Thank for your help
ATownI20 said:
I was able to flash a custom rom.
Just got home from work. Revolutionary does not support the HC bootloader version 1.11.0006.
My question is, what part of the process caused my device to go from S-ON->S-OFF-> Back to S-ON?
I know I'm limited now, can I downgrade my bootloader version 1.11.0003 or 1.11.0000?
Thank for your help
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When you first used revolutionary you got complete s-off, and then during the process of upgrading to honeycomb you flashed a new hboot which gave you s-on again because well..It's a new hboot. Lol. And the only way you can downgrade your hboot is to run the ruu for your model flyer to revert back to gingerbread. If you have the US 16gb version then you cannot go back to gingerbread because there isn't a ruu yet.
Hopefully I'm not confusing you more
Revolutionary does not support the HC bootloader version 1.11.0006.
but after unlock bootloader go htc dev.com and unlock bootloader from step by step guaid....after you see in fastboot
"""""""unlocked""""""""
FLYER PVT SHIP S-ON
And flash castom recovery
copy revolutionary-cwm-4.0.1.4-flyer.newhboot.img in to dir (you create dir ,by htc dev guaid)
and run command in cmd
fastboot flash recovery revolutionary-cwm-4.0.1.4-flyer.newhboot.img' this recovery support all castom Rom based on Honeycomb
S-Off not needed for you.
Sorry my bad English...
Gumby63 said:
When you first used revolutionary you got complete s-off, and then during the process of upgrading to honeycomb you flashed a new hboot which gave you s-on again because well..It's a new hboot. Lol. And the only way you can downgrade your hboot is to run the ruu for your model flyer to revert back to gingerbread. If you have the US 16gb version then you cannot go back to gingerbread because there isn't a ruu yet.
Hopefully I'm not confusing you more
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No not really confused by your explanation. What confuses me if is the process was suppose to give me S-OFF in the first place. I understand the logic of the new hboot being S-ON. But if you're following me you kinda see where I'm thinking 0_o lol.
piramida13 said:
Revolutionary does support the HC bootloader version 1.11.0006.
but only after unlock bootloader , go htc dev.com and unlock bootloader from step by step guaid....after you see in fastboot
"""""""unlocked""""""""
FLYER PVT SHIP S-ON
copy revolutionary-cwm-4.0.1.4-flyer.newhboot.img in to dir (you create dir ,by htc dev guaid)
and run command in cmd
fastboot flash recovery revolutionary-cwm-4.0.1.4-flyer.newhboot.img'
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So I'm not suppose to have S-OFF after running that command?
I think that's what he is saying. My bootloader was a totally different one. So I don't really have any knowledge. What I would do is go into the development forum and do a quick search and see if anyone answered the question or had a similar problem and fixed. It helps out a lot. I don't want to give you knowledge and mess anything up on your end.
ATownI20 said:
No not really confused by your explanation. What confuses me if is the process was suppose to give me S-OFF in the first place. I understand the logic of the new hboot being S-ON. But if you're following me you kinda see where I'm thinking 0_o lol.
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haha the process of going to honeycomb was not supposed to give you s-off, simply an unlocked bootloader. I think i'm following you
My understanding of the situation is the hboot that is required to install HC sets s-on, and currently it is not possible to change it back to s-off without reverting back to the original hboot using the RUU. Even if you changed back to the original hboot, honeycomb would no longer boot.
At least, that's my understanding.
The only way right now to get S-OFF is with HBOOT versions 1.11.0000 and 1.11.0003. Since you have 1.11.0006, needed for running HC on the Flyer, Revolutionary doesn't support it, so right now you can only have the unlocked boot loader and S-ON. If you run the Revolutionary tool with HBOOT 1.11.0006, it will tell you it is not supported, and won't run.
The only way it would be supported is when the AlphaRev/Unrevoked team update their tool to support it. So running that command listed above does cause this, but it is required in order to run HC on the Flyer. Without it, I don't know if you'd have a $300 brick or what.
Parastie said:
My understanding of the situation is the hboot that is required to install HC sets s-on, and currently it is not possible to change it back to s-off without reverting back to the original hboot using the RUU. Even if you changed back to the original hboot, honeycomb would no longer boot.
At least, that's my understanding.
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Thanks chief... I was just a little confused as the guides talked about permanent S-OFF... But if S-ON is how I'm suppose to be right now, then S-ON it is! lol...
I am in the same boat
Just Upgraded and noticed S-on as well...
what am I limited to with S-ON.. and whats the *UNLOCKED* mean?
*UNLOCKED*
FLYER PVT SHIP S_ON RL
HBOOT 1.11.006
MICROP 0850
Radio-3821.08.00.26
eMM-BOOT
*UNLOCKED*
FLYER PVT SHIP S_ON RL
HBOOT 1.11.006
MICROP 0850
Radio-3821.08.00.26
eMM-BOOT
I have exactly the same issue.
is there anyway out of S-ON?
I'm on hboot 1.12. I've seen some talk about updating my hboot//firmware to the most recent version. it seems like a bit of a process. Can someone tell me the benefit of doing this? Also, if someone could explain how i can do this? thank you so much!
Im on Mean Rom 4.1
thank you
Most important question: are you S-OFF?
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Never update your hboot. Updating firmware is a good idea. Definitely get s-off if you haven't already.
Its not a "process" at all.... you just flash it either from recovery or from H-boot depending on if you are S-ON or S-OFF
And you want to update radio and firmware, no tthe Hboot
I think what you may be referring to is relocking and running the RUU to update your firmware. Sure that can be a bit involved, but if you're S-OFF updating firmware is really easy and you don't have to mess with any of that stuff. Like the others have said, since you're 1.12 you should go get S-OFF and then flash the firmware (minus the hboot).
Definitely get s-off, s-on unlocked is a guilded cage
Even if he is S-ON it doesnt matter. Hboot 1.12 can update through recovery
Yea but soff is better
I thought with 1.12 s-on you could only update the radio but the other firmware bits were off limits?
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The security is different on 1.12, its practically non existent (compared to hboots 1.15 and 1.19) when you unlock but to have full write access to nand you need soff
Considering there's a tool out now to give you S-OFF with Hboot 1.19 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964309)
Is there any advantage to updating the Hboot?
If not i will just keep what i got since developers on here don't find it necessary to take the time to mention which hboot their rom is developed and tested with.
Neipas09 said:
Considering there's a tool out now to give you S-OFF with Hboot 1.19 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964309)
Is there any advantage to updating the Hboot?
If not i will just keep what i got since developers on here don't find it necessary to take the time to mention which hboot their rom is developed and tested with.
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It doesn't matter what hboot you have, 1.12, 1.15, or 1.19. You can s-off all 3. There is no point in upgrading at all.
roids87 said:
It doesn't matter what hboot you have, 1.12, 1.15, or 1.19. You can s-off all 3. There is no point in upgrading at all.
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you sure about that bro?
cause on my gf's evo 3d is sure as **** mattered what hboot is on her phone when i tried installing the Venom rom and it kept stalling and crashing because i didn't have the latest hboot on there.
Neipas09 said:
you sure about that bro?
cause on my gf's evo 3d is sure as **** mattered what hboot is on her phone when i tried installing the Venom rom and it kept stalling and crashing because i didn't have the latest hboot on there.
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i doesn't matter what Hboot you have on the evo lte... with the 3d it was a little different because of the bootloader
HTC EVO LTE
It does not matter what hboot, I'm running outdated hboot and firmware and run viper, mean, stock w/goodies, cm10, pa just fine. The difference in hboot is 1.12 allows direct access to boot partition, 1.15 and 1.19 do not. It's not an issue now that you can either soff or downgrade and soff all current hboot software
Hello
I previously had rooted my phone to gain access to some files, but now I'm looking to sell the handset. I want to sell it with the latest OTA update and unlocked.
When I was using this phone on a day to day basis, I had it unlocked and tried to have updates OTA but I found it didn't work. Fast forward today, I want to S-off my handset to unlock it to any network carriers but every method involves rooting. Is there a way around this and keep everything else the same? Can I S-off this as my HBoot says
******RELOCKED******
HBOOT 1.53.0007
Thanks
S-off is root I would think, but if you are talking about the HTC Dev unlock, then you wouldn't need to be s-off.
However I do recommend s-off if you are unlocked, it just makes everything run smoother.
I would say to root the phone to s-off and unlock it.Then downgrade your Hboot to 1.4 and flash one of the new 4.1.2 Jellybean roms, because in my opinion I don't think there will be anymore OTA's for the EVO 3D, other than radios probably. I just can't see Sprint pushing anything out past Jellybean for how old the phone is now, and how fast newer phones with a lot better hardware come out and just take over. but that's just my opinion
MY PHONE
HTC EVO 3D
S-OFF and UNLOCKED
ROM: Team D.I.R.T. Unofficial AOKP v3.3
KERNEL: ButteredToasT-RLS v13.6
HBOOT: 1.40.0000
RECOVERY: 4EXT Touch Recovery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743466