I've gotten THREE replacement Droid Razrs from Amazon Wireless and every single one of them has had at least two stuck pixels on the screen.
I love the Razr but seriously... wtf is this ****
con5tant said:
I've gotten THREE replacement Droid Razrs from Amazon Wireless and every single one of them has had at least two stuck pixels on the screen.
I love the Razr but seriously... wtf is this ****
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I got my Razr from Amazon Wireless 1 cent deal. After I soft bricked mine...i actually got a replacement from the telephone tech and also the store tech said he could replace it. I got one in 2 day even better then the first one. Seems more snappier for some reason.
Maybe the replacements come from different locations or different lots?
do you think Amazon (and/or Verizon?) will allow me to get a replacement from a Verizon store? i'm tired of sending my phones back in
con5tant said:
do you think Amazon (and/or Verizon?) will allow me to get a replacement from a Verizon store? i'm tired of sending my phones back in
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Probably....I initially told the vrz store i got mine from amazon wireless. they were going to have one shipped to me but their warehouse was empty so they said to call support on the phone....I had them ship me one in 2 days.
They only give you 5 days to ship the bad phone back...return postage and box provided.
Mine has 1 stuck pixel, but I've never replaced it, because my battery life is pretty good and I haven't had any other problems.
I don't think you guys are using the correct terminology.
I work in the display business, as a applications engineer for LCD/Display companies.
There are different grades of panels, with the best available being "A" grade.
LCD or Display manufacturers use grading scales to grade the quality of the substrates they use in the products. There used to be a "Z" grade, which meant zero pixel outages, or perfect panels, but those no longer exist, as the LCD companies would have to sort the substrates after they cut in order to determine which were perfect and which weren't. Samsung, the supplier who makes the AMOLED that is inside the RAZR never had this designation.
"A" grade panels in this size are allowed to have up to 3 bright pixels or 3 dark pixels, or no more than 5 total light or dark pixels on a panel.
Now, 1 pixel, in this panel, is so small, that a stuck pixel would not be visible to the naked eye. The size of the pixel is around .283 mm x .245mm. I don't care how good your vision is, you can't see this without a microscope.
"A" grade panels also designates that you can't have more than 2 adjacent pixels with defects on any panel. Even with 2 pixels next to each other, it would be INCREDIBLY hard to see this type of defect, unless you have a completely black screen on, and even then, it's going to be so small, that you can't really see this.
So having 2 stuck pixels is not correct. If you have 2 defects in the screen that you can see, that means you probably have at least 4 adjacent pixels out in one area, which is completely different.
As a secondary FYI, the defects you could be seeing may have nothing to do with the display itself, and could be a bad GPU interface, which may be interrupting the data to a specific location. Unfortunately the only way to test this, is to take the panel and plug it into a different source, and see the results. So it could be a faulty solder or cable assembly, rather than displays. With AMOLED's we see only about .5% failure rates, so it would be EXTREMELY odd to have 3 different displays with the same defects, but manufacturing processes on PCB boards or cable assemblies is much easier to cause failures in batches like you have experienced. I would definitely try to get a phone from the Verizon store this time rather than Amazon, as it would guarantee a different batch or what we call Date Code on the phone.
I might have a stuck pixel but since i haven't found it yet; it seems fine. I also don't notice any blotches others complain about (tried loading a black jpeg in a dark room). Hum. Battery life could be better; under heavy usage i only seem to get 3 to 4 hours; with very light usage i can get 2+ days (seems to drain about 10% per night).
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mine came from amazon (new phone) last week - about 4 days old.
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I don't think you guys are using the correct terminology.
I work in the display business, as a applications engineer for LCD/Display companies.
There are different grades of panels, with the best available being "A" grade.
LCD or Display manufacturers use grading scales to grade the quality of the substrates they use in the products. There used to be a "Z" grade, which meant zero pixel outages, or perfect panels, but those no longer exist, as the LCD companies would have to sort the substrates after they cut in order to determine which were perfect and which weren't. Samsung, the supplier who makes the AMOLED that is inside the RAZR never had this designation.
"A" grade panels in this size are allowed to have up to 3 bright pixels or 3 dark pixels, or no more than 5 total light or dark pixels on a panel.
Now, 1 pixel, in this panel, is so small, that a stuck pixel would not be visible to the naked eye. The size of the pixel is around .283 mm x .245mm. I don't care how good your vision is, you can't see this without a microscope.
"A" grade panels also designates that you can't have more than 2 adjacent pixels with defects on any panel. Even with 2 pixels next to each other, it would be INCREDIBLY hard to see this type of defect, unless you have a completely black screen on, and even then, it's going to be so small, that you can't really see this.
So having 2 stuck pixels is not correct. If you have 2 defects in the screen that you can see, that means you probably have at least 4 adjacent pixels out in one area, which is completely different.
As a secondary FYI, the defects you could be seeing may have nothing to do with the display itself, and could be a bad GPU interface, which may be interrupting the data to a specific location. Unfortunately the only way to test this, is to take the panel and plug it into a different source, and see the results. So it could be a faulty solder or cable assembly, rather than displays. With AMOLED's we see only about .5% failure rates, so it would be EXTREMELY odd to have 3 different displays with the same defects, but manufacturing processes on PCB boards or cable assemblies is much easier to cause failures in batches like you have experienced. I would definitely try to get a phone from the Verizon store this time rather than Amazon, as it would guarantee a different batch or what we call Date Code on the phone.
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Much appreciated educated response. You need to hit some other threads with this knowledge. People are claiming it to be a software issue.
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anyone know where I can find a system dump for the cdma version of the razr.
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Much appreciated educated response. You need to hit some other threads with this knowledge. People are claiming it to be a software issue.
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I have a stuck on pixel and have found another persons device with the exact same pixel, same color stuck on as well.
A couple questions...
If a pixel is visible in a screenshot wouldn't that be a software issue?
If it were a hardware issue the screenshot would come out all normal would it not?
What are the odds of having the exact same pixel stuck on with the same color?
It took about 27-30 days to show.
I picked up a GSM RAZR in the UK this Wednesday and within 5 minutes of use noticed one bright pixel - easily visible on a dark background - then setting a solid black wallpaper managed to spot another 3 that are less bright but still visible to my 40yr old eyes without using any special tools.
The brightest pixel is about 10% up from the bottom and 30% from the left side.
I have an exchange arranged after Christmas but this thread is making me think that isn't going to solve the problem...
The one things I know for certain is, screen quality is not what it used to be. Lately almost all devices I have owned have had pixels stuck on or dead. I think it's the best way for manufacturers to save money. My last two HTC Sensations had bad pixels along with other screen defects as did my EVO 3D, I never expected it with the AMOLED's though
Sadly my stuck pixel showed up about 30 days after purchase and no, I didn't just not see it. So I have very little faith in getting a replacement and my device is spot on other than that so I may live with it.
I don't know the answers to your questions, but I do know I'd take this screen over the bionic/x2.
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Yea there all Motorola's that's the defect lol
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I have a stuck on pixel and have found another persons device with the exact same pixel, same color stuck on as well.
A couple questions...
If a pixel is visible in a screenshot wouldn't that be a software issue?
If it were a hardware issue the screenshot would come out all normal would it not?
What are the odds of having the exact same pixel stuck on with the same color?
It took about 27-30 days to show.
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Yes, you're absolutely correct that if you take a screen grab and the screen grab shows the error, then it's software.
The screen grab will only register what is coming from the source BEFORE it sends information to the display. That's registered in the OS pre-GPU even. So that definitely confirms software not hardware.
From there, that sounds like it could be a driver issue more than anything else. I'm not fully versed, yet, on how android works from a driver perspective. I know it's similar to Linux, but is java language driven...or at least that's my rudimentary knowledge. Something in the code is causing this, and would be more of a question for a motorola software engineer than a hardware person.
Also, from that perspective, Motorola probably shouldn't be allowing RMA's on the devices because it's not a hardware failure, but that's probably a discussion that needs to happen between Verizon and Motorola.
I'll see if my friend that works at Moto Mobility knows about this, or if there's internal discussions about this, and get back to you guys.
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I never expected it with the AMOLED's though
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AMOLED technology is not all that different from LCD technology. The difference is just where the light source is coming from. In LCD's the light source is behind the active matrix sub pixel array that creates your RGB color schemes.
AMOLED's use the actual materials that make up the active matrix as the light source. Eliminating the need for the backlight assemblies, but still requiring the same "pixel" configuration to work.
So pixels are still able to stick in either technology, and one is not better than the other when it comes to quality, or number of pixel defects per panel, as the production process by which they create the substrates only is a slight variation.
In fact, because the organic material is a bit harder to apply than a standard active matrix, you actually end up with higher failures per substrate.
Hence why AMOLED's are only seen in small sizes, because it's not cost effective to produce larger substrates since more waste is created based on bad applications of the materials.
There are starting to be newer application methods that are going to come online in the next couple of years that will increase output vs waste, which will bring AMOLED substrate costs down, but right now that's not the case.
I'm actually headed to China in March to visit one of these new facilities that Tianma is building just outside of Shenzhen.
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Yes, you're absolutely correct that if you take a screen grab and the screen grab shows the error, then it's software.
The screen grab will only register what is coming from the source BEFORE it sends information to the display. That's registered in the OS pre-GPU even. So that definitely confirms software not hardware.
From there, that sounds like it could be a driver issue more than anything else. I'm not fully versed, yet, on how android works from a driver perspective. I know it's similar to Linux, but is java language driven...or at least that's my rudimentary knowledge. Something in the code is causing this, and would be more of a question for a motorola software engineer than a hardware person.
Also, from that perspective, Motorola probably shouldn't be allowing RMA's on the devices because it's not a hardware failure, but that's probably a discussion that needs to happen between Verizon and Motorola.
I'll see if my friend that works at Moto Mobility knows about this, or if there's internal discussions about this, and get back to you guys.
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AMOLED technology is not all that different from LCD technology. The difference is just where the light source is coming from. In LCD's the light source is behind the active matrix sub pixel array that creates your RGB color schemes.
AMOLED's use the actual materials that make up the active matrix as the light source. Eliminating the need for the backlight assemblies, but still requiring the same "pixel" configuration to work.
So pixels are still able to stick in either technology, and one is not better than the other when it comes to quality, or number of pixel defects per panel, as the production process by which they create the substrates only is a slight variation.
In fact, because the organic material is a bit harder to apply than a standard active matrix, you actually end up with higher failures per substrate.
Hence why AMOLED's are only seen in small sizes, because it's not cost effective to produce larger substrates since more waste is created based on bad applications of the materials.
There are starting to be newer application methods that are going to come online in the next couple of years that will increase output vs waste, which will bring AMOLED substrate costs down, but right now that's not the case.
I'm actually headed to China in March to visit one of these new facilities that Tianma is building just outside of Shenzhen.
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That is terrific info! And welcome to China next March. If you were visiting Shanghai, I'd gladly show you around. :]
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fuuu...Verizon wouldn't let me exchange it because the pixels weren't "prominent" enough
Just received my new RAZR after spotting a bright pixel and a few dark ones on my old handset.
Pleased to report that there are no bright or dark pixels on this one!
Dead pixels drive me NUTS!
Verizon should let you exchange them, that sucks if they didnt.
yea, i actually went to a different Verizon store and they gave me a replacement phone without looking twice (now i'm just waiting for it to arrive in the mail)
hopefully it's not all messed up like the Amazon batches
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Because of all the mixed reviews regarding the Razr's screen quality, is it possible that there are two (or more) different screen manufacturers? This would explain why some reviewers have quoted poor screen quality while others have reported excellent.
Isn't Samsung (and affiliates) the only company that produces SAMOLED screens? I'm switching from the HTC Sensation and it has been proven that there are two different screens, each having its own advantages and disadvantages. One is a sharp, the other a sony.
Granted, I've never owned a Motorola Android device before so I'm not sure if they outsource different companies to make these screens.
If anybody is thinking about returning their device or comes in contact with another Razr, take a picture of the screen and compare/contrast. Any input is helpful!
I don't think they would have two different manufacturers for their screens. I really think it is just user to user preference, or some being more critical. I mean this phone and all of Moto's phones have been getting a lot of flak lately for the pentile matrix. I don't know it could be possible though, we'll just have to see.
This is not the case with Motorola. They don't put different screens in the same model. Some reviewers love to puke at motorola(wonder why) cause of pentile but they highly welcomed samsung galaxy s's pentile. I don't believe them but only my own eyes. Razr samoled can show whites as white and other colors are produced very naturally at high brightness. Just my 2 cents !
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This is not the case with Motorola. They don't put different screens in the same model. Some reviewers love to puke at motorola(wonder why) cause of pentile but they highly welcomed samsung galaxy s's pentile. I don't believe them but only my own eyes. Razr samoled can show whites as white and other colors are produced very naturally at high brightness. Just my 2 cents !
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Thanks for clarifying. The last SAMOLED screen I had was a Galaxy S (1) phone and it looked beautiful. If the Razr is anywhere near that quality, then I'll be happier than a pig in ****.
I think some people (especially us phone nerds) do over-scrutinize our devices to the point of being ultra-anal (lol). Looking at the videos, it seems to me that it looks fantastic, and much better than the Bionic's LCD.
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Thanks for clarifying. The last SAMOLED screen I had was a Galaxy S (1) phone and it looked beautiful. If the Razr is anywhere near that quality, then I'll be happier than a pig in ****.
I think some people (especially us phone nerds) do over-scrutinize our devices to the point of being ultra-anal (lol). Looking at the videos, it seems to me that it looks fantastic, and much better than the Bionic's LCD.
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Its better than the Atrix 1 by a long shot.
I exchanged a razrtoday for a new unit. The old one had a very bad display. It looked great on high brightness but with the brightness all the way down, there was a very noticeable green tint to white and light colored screens. The new unit is way way better. My screen on the old unit looked like the pics from the screen review at the verge. The new unit looks amazing even with the brightness on minimum. I really think they might be using two different suppliers for the screen from the varied reviews and my experience. Many companies utilize several companies to supply the same components, so it is possible that motorola is for the samoled screen.
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I exchanged a razrtoday for a new unit. The old one had a very bad display. It looked great on high brightness but with the brightness all the way down, there was a very noticeable green tint to white and light colored screens. The new unit is way way better. My screen on the old unit looked like the pics from the screen review at the verge. The new unit looks amazing even with the brightness on minimum. I really think they might be using two different suppliers for the screen from the varied reviews and my experience. Many companies utilize several companies to supply the same components, so it is possible that motorola is for the samoled screen.
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Thank you! This is the information I was looking for. Does the serial number differences correlate with your experience of the two different screen possibility?
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Thank you! This is the information I was looking for. Does the serial number differences correlate with your experience of the two different screen possibility?
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I honestly didn't even look at the first phones serial number but I hot the second unit at a completely different vzw, one that was over 60 miles from the store where I bought the first unit. This new unit is amazing and I'm very very happy with it. But its very concerning to me the wildly different reviews people have of their experience with the screen and the phone in general. Hopefully, it's just a problem with an early production run or I think Motorola will be getting a lot of returns/exchanges. The phone is amazing and the screen is beautiful though. I'm very happy with the new unit. So if you get one with a green tint on low brightness, return it or exchange it until you get one with a nice display. This display is comparable if not better than the one on my old nexus s which had a killer screen.
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I honestly didn't even look at the first phones serial number but I hot the second unit at a completely different vzw, one that was over 60 miles from the store where I bought the first unit. This new unit is amazing and I'm very very happy with it. But its very concerning to me the wildly different reviews people have of their experience with the screen and the phone in general. Hopefully, it's just a problem with an early production run or I think Motorola will be getting a lot of returns/exchanges. The phone is amazing and the screen is beautiful though. I'm very happy with the new unit. So if you get one with a green tint on low brightness, return it or exchange it until you get one with a nice display. This display is comparable if not better than the one on my old nexus s which had a killer screen.
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Thanks for the info again. I think I got the second batch from Amazon and it should be here monday or tuesday. Thank God they are really good with returns! I have my fingers crossed I get "one of the good ones".
The first razr I got had a defective screen. Blacks showed up as purple. It was terrible.
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bond32 said:
The first razr I got had a defective screen. Blacks showed up as purple. It was terrible.
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Yikes! That's terrible. Did you have any problems getting it swapped out? That's one thing I don't like about buying from online retailers -- but the price was too good to say no! Just hope I don't have to switch it out... at least it's Amazon
Hope your new one fits the bill.
To those of you saying that Motorola doesn't use multiple screen manufacturers for the same model devices...I know for a fact they did with the Xoom...there was an entire thread dedicated to discussing it early after release and they were all the Verizon Xooms so again was the same model since only one model existed at that time.
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So,is there a way to determine this? Unfortunately, here in India, the shopkeepers are all smiles when U enter, but once U have made a purchase, they treat U like ****...
So it is very wise to make sure of what you are buying, in stead of then going back later...
Well, i still don't give a chance of different screen manufacturers. Maybe the samoled tech isn't as stable as lcd's. Some of displays just don't cook well at the factory ?
The scariest of them all is the YouTube video of two jerks displaying s complete green screen..its horrible and I pray to god mine doesn't turn out to be like that...this is a very good topic...
I'm also thinking that more than one manufacturer made the camera for the RAZR. I've never seen a mobile device get so much mixed reviews in terms of the screen and camera. I posted this post on another board.
So I went to my local Best Buy to test RAZR's video and picture quality out. They had two demos on hand. One demo was on a booth with the security tag on it. The other one being held by a Bestbuy employee. First, I tested the RAZR at the booth. The video and picture quality were pretty bad. It wasn't as crisp or high quality as I was expecting in a high-end mobile device. It was a little foggy and very grainy. I thought that maybe the lens was dirty, so i cleaned it off. Second try and I got the same results... Bad.
To be 100% sure that this phones photo and video quality weren't garbage, I tried out the other demo phone that the BestBuy employee was holding. The results were much different. The image quality was more crisp and sharp. I didn't see any foggyness that I saw in the previous phone. It still wasn't on par with the iPhone 4s or some phones in the Samsung line, but i'm happy with its quality, especially with such a beautiful piece of hardware.
So, I'm wondering. With all the mixed reviews of this phones photo/video quality (some positive, some negative), do you think that Motorola shipped the RAZR out with a tonne of defective cameras? Were the cameras manufactured by more than one company? Did the demo and review units have slightly older hardware inside? Can some of these issues be fixed by software update?
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I'm also thinking that more than one manufacturer made the camera for the RAZR. I've never seen a mobile device get so much mixed reviews in terms of the screen and camera. I posted this post on another board.
So I went to my local Best Buy to test RAZR's video and picture quality out. They had two demos on hand. One demo was on a booth with the security tag on it. The other one being held by a Bestbuy employee. First, I tested the RAZR at the booth. The video and picture quality were pretty bad. It wasn't as crisp or high quality as I was expecting in a high-end mobile device. It was a little foggy and very grainy. I thought that maybe the lens was dirty, so i cleaned it off. Second try and I got the same results... Bad.
To be 100% sure that this phones photo and video quality weren't garbage, I tried out the other demo phone that the BestBuy employee was holding. The results were much different. The image quality was more crisp and sharp. I didn't see any foggyness that I saw in the previous phone. It still wasn't on par with the iPhone 4s or some phones in the Samsung line, but i'm happy with its quality, especially with such a beautiful piece of hardware.
So, I'm wondering. With all the mixed reviews of this phones photo/video quality (some positive, some negative), do you think that Motorola shipped the RAZR out with a tonne of defective cameras? Were the cameras manufactured by more than one company? Did the demo and review units have slightly older hardware inside? Can some of these issues be fixed by software update?
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my only fear - no amount of software updates turn a bad hardware into a good one. If your screen(the physical screen)is defective, Android update will do a whimper..
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Yikes! That's terrible. Did you have any problems getting it swapped out? That's one thing I don't like about buying from online retailers -- but the price was too good to say no! Just hope I don't have to switch it out... at least it's Amazon
Hope your new one fits the bill.
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I was really nervous they would give me problems, but honestly I just walked in and didn't even say anything. Showed them my home screen and the guy saw it immediately. He said wow, that is all jacked up. Got a replacement, no problems.
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After receiving my SGS3, I was extremely satisfied with the overall look and feel of the device. One of the main selling points (for me at least) was the deep-black color that a Super AMOLED screen had to offer. In the process of rooting the phone, I discovered several of the infamous black spots on my screen, against the dark black Downloader screen. I estimate I have about 10-15 of these, each of which are about 2x2 pixels in size, with the exception of one pattern that looks like this. ---> -__- (not kidding, lol) I've been on the fence about trying to get a replacement. So my question to you all is; How many black spots is too many? Or do they even bother you enough to do anything about them?
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hi. i discovered something like 10 black spots on my s3 in total dark environment with dead pixel testing software while screen was total black. that's the only case you can see them. i checked my wife's s3 right after and had also black spots under same conditions.
the day after i checked my brother's s3 - same.
all of them have a few - i doubt if there is any display without. but why bother? do you ever have blank screen in black room? i found out with dead pixel testing, but i can’t trace them in any other case. Enjoy your phone and omit the insignificant - invincible - dots/patterns. i got over it after reading that is common and seeing the other two s3s. seeing your question i smiled understanding your worries of defective product it's common so omit it.
I don't like that my phone has but EVERY AMOLED screens have them. Trying to get it replaced won't do anything. My PSVita has them, my GS2, GS3 :/
It seems to be a fact of life with current amoled screens, and is really not noticeable unless you are looking for it. If you're really concerned you're probably better off with slcd like the one x or evo lte.
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I would give returning it a shot if it annoys you, unfortunately the phone is in such high demand and short supply you may have to wait a little. I had the same issue with my Samsung laptop. I called customer service and they told me to return it to the store I bought it for an exchange. I did and they exchanged it for one that looks great.
Hey guys, as we know, the very first batch of any device likely will have some flaws. Hopefully this won't happen to the nexus 10. Anyway, Im a very picky consumer so I have to ensure my device is perfect. So I will list some of the things we need to check when the item arrives. feel free to give tips etc..
1/ Check the screen to see there are any dead pixels/ discolored area/ uneven white screen/ yellow or pink spots
2/ Light bleed
3/ any scratch on the body
4/Buttons are all good.
5/ Speakers
All I can think of so far..
also would want to check if the cameras, radios, ports, battery and other such components work properly, along with checking along the seams of the tablet to make sure it is solidly put together.
Microscope... check EVERY pixel.
I also have a few questions. It has to deal with the snap on cover if anyone got those (if they are out). When you unfold the cover does the screen light up like the iPad does with its smart cover. And also can the cover be used as a stand or does it just fall over? And how bad is the lag on Chrome compared to anyone who has used Safari on an iPad. Thanks. I'm hoping to switch from my ipad to the nexus 10!
Add couple more
1. Check GPS
2. Pixel check can be done with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ossibussoftware.deadpixeltest&hl=en
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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duarian said:
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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Well in my case they'd be replacing the screen whether they intended to or not. If I had to, I'd just order a new one, then send the old one back in its place and say I changed my mind. And that just if they didn't want to exchange a clearly defective product. Up to them, but either way I'm going to make it right for myself in the end :good:
With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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Bam !
Good point !
Samsung has an excellent track record!
Nothing is for sure but every samsung product ive ever had has been perfect!
From my Note 2
It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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I forgot to include the legendary GS2 as another first batch flawless device. It might be about luck sometimes but generally you can deduce when it is safe to buy a first batch.
I use two methods that I feel pretty good about.
One, like I said, my GS2, tab 10.1, and GS3 were all flawless first batches for me. I realize that using just myself as a sample size is pretty shady statistically but if you look at the posts of complaints of the GS3 in May/June, they are far less than most devices.
Two, we know for a fact that Samsung is not only a manufacturer, but one of the if not the best manufacturer. Sure HTC and Apple are moving away from them, but it is not because of the quality. People trust their factories and manufacturing processes so unless the Nexus 10 uses some fancy new manufacturing process, Samsung already has the wisdom and experience and chances are, they won't need to make many changes to the manufacturing process like others might.
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It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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Whatever brings more happiness into your live ...
My personal view on sub-pixel errors is: if I have to search for them to see them ... I don't really care about them.
A full stuck/dark pixel (or anything that catches the eye) is a reason to send the device back though, no doubt about that.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I thought I was a bit wierd doing this to test for Light Bleed! lol I feel slightly better now!
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I tend to do that anyway for light bleed... That's my worry. My Nexus 7 has pretty bad light bleed, and i'm okay with that because it's a cheap tablet, but I won't be happy if the Nexus 10 has bleed like that one. I can deal with a minor amount around the edges, but it's really annoying if it extends to the center of the screen, etc.
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With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
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Not really true. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I promise you, there are no dead pixels. Granted it's 27", and the Nexus is only 10", it may be a little harder to see, but throw up solid color backgrounds and you will probably see it.
It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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Hopefully just pre-production issues.
LG actually makes the best OLED panels for TVs that even Sony uses for their TVs. So, there's no reason there should be any quality issues, except LG Display is a "separate" company from the LG company that makes cell phones. However, Google gave them almost $1 billion to get another line up and running to help out with the 2017 Pixel XL. Google used Samsung displays last year, but will be using LG displays this year and LG will be making the 2017 Pixel XL. So, if you are worried, wait a few months until the Pixels especially are in production before buying an LG V30. Because Google will make them straighten out any problems.
FYI, in the reader comments, someone mentioned another reviewer PRAISED the LG V30 display as being excellent. So, the Ars Technica guy may have just gotten a lemon or again, just pre-production issues.
It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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Correct, a sample of one. I don't stare at black screens so uneven lighting doesn't bother me in actual use. Most people have praised the screen. So, as long as it looks good when it actually displaying images, I will be happy.
I know other don't feel the same.
It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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No,it's not disturbing. Most reviewers say it's fantastic. You will find a couple of reviewers will always give critical reviews no matter what.
http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/artic...erb-photos-and-gorgeous-display-top-hard-beat
This switch in display tech, along with further refinement of the already slim bezels of the G6, makes the V30’s screen hands down the best LG smartphone screen ever. All colours look lush and gorgeous, especially the blacks and red, and the display and glass back both curve towards the metal frame for that symmetrical “glass sandwich” look that Samsung pioneered.
The V30 ticks just about every smartphone box, including a whole bunch that most people never asked for. It has a large, gorgeous OLED display with slim bezels, cameras that excel in low light situations and the newest mobile processor. It is IP68 water-resistant, comes with hi-fi audio capabilities and can be charged wirelessly.
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http://www.t3.com/reviews/lg-v30-review
Okay, the next thing you'll notice is that brilliant 6-inch screen. LG has switched to using OLED panels, and the result is fantastic
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It's not even 50/50. I can find you 10 positive reviews for every negative one.
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Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
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Yes, my light bulbs tend to turn dark when I turn them off.
These reviewers are using pre-production models, so actual retail won't be any worse and will probably be better. And even with that caveat, it's about 10/1 rave reviews.
Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
Secondly, have you owned any P-OLED screen phones before? I have. Still have em. Their screens get better with each iteration but that banding (and graininess) is still there. OG G Flex - saturated screen bad, grainy 720p. G Flex 2 - Crispy saturated OLED colors noticeable banding, less grain on 1080p. V30 looks great brightness all the way up but....it's 1440p right?
I know the hope is real, but this is a hardware issue. Much harder to figure out than a camera software fix.
Think about this: When the V10 and V20 pre-review units went out, LG never revised their hardware - only the software was updated.
....Like I said I hope I'm wrong.
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Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
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I found plenty comparing LG to Samsung OLED quality. Here's three below.
Then "worst" review is first... The only quibble mentioned on the first review (in one pre production unit) was "low light" issues, not banding nor uniformity. And the first reviewer even mentions LG"s crappy P-OLED efforts years ago and says that's not evident on this LG V30. He praises the current phone display as does the 2nd reviewer and third -- and ALL compare to Samsung's OLEDs, like the S7, S8, S8+.
1) LG V30 initial review: The no-BS flagship
I'm happy to report that the company has made a huge amount of progress over the past two years, to the point where V30's screen is almost as good as Samsung's SuperAMOLED. That sounds like faint praise, but I'm actually more than satisfied with what LG has brought to the table here. It's not Galaxy S8 good, but it's surprisingly close, and that's an achievement in itself.
Samsung is still the king of smartphone displays, there's no doubt about that. But LG's latest screen, at Quad HD+ resolution, looks fantastic and punchy, and unlike some of those older P-OLED panels, is clear enough to use outdoors in bright daylight.
If anything, this display's major weakness is in low light. It has an unfortunate tendency to crush shadow details at lower brightness levels, to the point where dark areas become illegible — and that's not great if you're watching Netflix by candlelight, or trying to judge exposure in a low-light photo. This is a disappointing holdover from older OLED efforts, and it's easily fixed in software by simply raising the floor for brightness, but that's not exactly ideal.
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The display, despite some low-light issues, is a step beyond any previous LG phone in terms of quality and daylight legibility. The size is near perfect for me, providing an expansive display in a more ergonomic handset than Samsung can currently offer.
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The V30's going to have its work cut out going up against the Note 8s and Pixels and iPhones of the world when it launches. But for the moment, it's easily among the best Android phones I've used, and has every chance of being a sleeper hit for late 2017.
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2) LG's Upcoming V30 May Be Its Best Smartphone Yet
“Is that the new Samsung phone?” I’ve been asked that several times the past few weeks, as I’ve been testing out LG’s upcoming V30 smartphone. And I get it, as the phone is thin, black-fronted, sleek, large, and has rounded edges with a big screen that covers a massive area. No doubt that at quick glance, the resemblance to what I've seen of the Samsung Galaxy Note8 in photos is close.
And because I regularly use a two-year-old Samsung phone, I’ve noticed that the similarities extend beyond sheer looks. For instance, the V30 has a vibrant screen. It’s the best one I’ve seen on an LG phone yet. Colors are intense while blacks are pitch dark. Photos truly pop -- something that I find beautiful in all of the latest Samsung models but lacking in recent LG phones. In this case, LG attributes that radiance to “QHD+ resolution” plus a 6-inch OLED display. Apparently, self-lighting pixels help generate infinite contrast. Sparing you the tech jargon, it’s just a terrific display that can be adjusted to be very bright -- although it doesn’t quite max out as bright as the display on my Samsung.
This makes looking at photos and videos a pleasure.
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3) LG V30 hands-on: Believe the hype
LG is back in the game
LG has talked a lot about the improvement in image quality as it switches from LCD to OLED in the V30. For me, the six-inch, Quad HD+ display (2880 x 1440) is one of the handset’s best elements. The colors look bright and vivid, almost popping off the screen – watching HDR YouTube content on it is breathtaking.
I’ve found the contrast between black and white makes reading text so good that I’m now using the V30 instead of my iPad Air 2 to peruse web articles. The phone's screen trounces my Galaxy S7 Edge, and while I only compared the two briefly, I also preferred it to the S8+.
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And after using it for about a week, I still got that “wow” feeling every time the gorgeous display came to life.
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So, there's three specific comparisons to Samsung, talking specifically about the display and how GREAT it is. You want more, I'll give them to you.
Now two more facts...
1) Google PIXEL XL2 will have the same LG OLED display as found in the LG V30.
2) LG Display’s OLEDs Coming on Premium Phone from Huawei, OPPO, Vivo and Xiaomi
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/09/...coming-premium-phone-huawei-oppo-vivo-xiaomi/
Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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You make a good point here. If Google is using lg's P-OLED panels. Then they seem to be good enough. I'm taking all this news with a grain of salt. I'll wait till the V30 actually launches in the US and US reviewers start reviewing production models.
Funny thing is that reputable tech reviewers like MKBHD, Pocket now, Mr. Mobile, etc have had nothing but praise and thye all had pre production models. I usually don't trust all these others tech sites as they are biased most of the time or too critical/take it out of proportion.
We'll see how the pixel is received and I can tell you that most of these site won't says anything about the pixel's display.
Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
Actually, the screen on the Nexus 6 was the main appeal. It was gorgeous at the time and it might still be my daily driver if it only had SD.
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Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but let me tell you a story. I work professionally in broadcast TV, on the technical side. I know about video, and now specifically about HD video. My experience includes not only content creation but QC at the highest levels for global #1 brand.
We have the BEST equipment, the best video displays -- so I know what's good and what's crap. I watch HD video for a living you might say. Back in early 2008, I personally bought my first HD TV, a 60" Sony Bravia 1080p. It was FANTASTIC. In the years since, I've replaced it with another 60" TV, but this story is about that Sony. I did my research, and I bought that TV because it was the best TV for the money at the time. (I couldn't afford Panasonic plasma back then.)
In a forum much like this one, there were a few OCD people who found issues with that specific model Sony Bravia 1080p TVs. Light leakage, banding, blah, blah, blah. One guy took back his TV THREE TIMES to get replacements. Yet, that year, THAT TV model won Best HD TV of the Year award. I kept my TV for 6 years, finally replacing it in 2014 when the technology got so much better. There was NOTHING wrong with that TV.
So, where's the disconnect? I think some people look for flaws that aren't there and find them. Looking through the threads, these same people seem to take back ALL their TVs. I don't know why, and I don't want to disparage them. Maybe it made them feel superior to see flaws that weren't there.
But remember, I know more about video displays than they do, and how good HD video should look (FROM THE SOURCE!). Seeing that TV in my living room looking at the exact same video I had seen at the source back at work, I knew what looked "good" and what didn't. That TV looked fantastic. So, I think there were other issues going on than the actual TV. (Yes, you have to set up all HD TVs -- tweak the settings. You can't just use them out of the box, or you often have cartoonish skin tones. But these people also claimed extensive knowledge in how to set up a TV, so it wasn't that.)
Yes, there will be lemons in a production run of a million units, but those occasional lemons don't tarnish the whole model. That guy that took three back, I'm very skeptical he got three bad TVs in a row and I got the only "perfect" one. You know?
It's my profession, so video is very important to me. But right now, I have to say I take professional reviewers word over "reports" from South Korea. And if Google and many others are using LG OLED displays, and Google is using it for their XL flagship this year, they must have great quality.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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See above. That's not to say there may not be early production issues, but U.S. units will be shipped later so it should be all straightened out. I'm just VERY skeptical of when a few people find "problems" like this. Then when you look at their history, they are the only ones who seem to be plagued with these problems over and over.
You got me all wrong. You can do whatever profession or job you want, doesn't make you an expert because you work with certain equipment. Car salesman work with cars all day long, doesn't make them experts on engines.
I know what I look for because I know what I pay for, I know my first s8+ had red tint on the top right side of the screen. This one don't, I've looked and looked on this one, can't find it. You can't find something that isn't there. But if something's there and you look for it, you'll find it.
Either or, to each their own.
Hello members. Is been pass for when Google Pixel 7/7 Pro was released. New phones come out new hype, impressions. This is like every year but interesting to see how people reacts and what think. I'm maybe to old for this but for last few years I keep devices for longer time. Before Google 7 Pro, I used Note 20 Ultra. I was happy with it. But I prefer clean Android and Google features, this is why I switched to Pixel (I'll not switch and I'm not interested for longer time now). So I have questions for you. Who switched to Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra from Pixel 7/7 Pro or oposite from S23 Ultra to Pixel 7 Pro think. Or switched from diferent device, brand phone.
My Pixel 7 Pro has some sort of motherboard or power issue that keeps frying screens. I am on my second Pixel 7 Pro screen replacement and the third is starting to show similar pulsing of brightness and flickering symptoms. I have an S23 Ultra on order for pick up on Friday at my local Best Buy and I can't wait.
I also can't wait to have a modem that's actually worth a damn and more than 24 hours of battery life when I don't use my phone heavily.
I changed my pixel 7 pro for the ultra and I got it yesterday. The pixel 7 pro is a good phone for regular use with a great camera, it's snappy and very fluid and some decent performance while gaming. Battery wasn't that solid. I used it for the past three months since it came out. Since receiving my ultra S23 i can say just WOW. This device is a beast. Camera zoom is incredible even tho the colors are saturated that can be fixed after with may photo app, even Googles own photo app with just auto fix can do the trick. Battery wise it's a tank and the feel of the device is heavy compared to the pixel 7 pro but feel and solid. Software wise is like pixel os or stock android on steroids i really like the widget stacking and other minor things. From the time I got till today I can say that so far it's a Greta super snappy very good camera dm battery beast device. Definitely an upgrade from the pixel 7 pro. Once you change most things to Google like keyboard and all the other things you won't really miss the other device. I would rate it a 9.5/10 and the pixel 7 pro 8/10
Just a quick screen shot of the battery life with just one cycle. That's with one hour of video call, toms of video and web browser, VPN and not battery optimization just plain stock.
I own Pixel 7 Pro. Now waiting for my S23 Ultra to arrived on 24th February.
Am not switching tho. I gonna retire my Aquos R6.
Plan to use my S23 Ultra in stock configuration, locked bootloader, no root. I just gonna debloat using Brevent, blocking ads using private DNS, and managing permissions & net acess using AppOps & Netguard. I still hate Samsung for all features that got nerfed/disabled once you unlock your bootloader. But then, nowadays, it's hard to find brand who release decent phone with 1TB configuration (Apple OS sucks, Xperia price isn't worth it's features & specs. There's Nubia, but it lean heavily towards gamer's need while i prefer a better camera)
So, Pixel 7 Pro for all the mods. And S23 Ultra for Banking (zero headache without root) & Multimedia center.
A bit off topic but I switched from the P6P Google to the S23 U. I say wow about performance Camera and overall the S Pen and so on. Yes the switch was a good choice for me
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My Pixel 7 Pro has some sort of motherboard or power issue that keeps frying screens. I am on my second Pixel 7 Pro screen replacement and the third is starting to show similar pulsing of brightness and flickering symptoms. I have an S23 Ultra on order for pick up on Friday at my local Best Buy and I can't wait.
I also can't wait to have a modem that's actually worth a damn and more than 24 hours of battery life when I don't use my phone heavily.
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Interesting. Just dropped my P7P off at ubreakifix for same issue. they told me they have been seeing lots of this. also happened to order an S23U right after. I will still keep the P7P for my daily though, assuming it stays functioning.
Not really switching as I'm doing like others here have mentioned. I have a green S23 Ultra due to arrive sometime early this week (whenever UPS updates the "label created" status. Should be a fun phone.
Nothing wrong with my Pixel 7 Pro. Probably the one of these least problematic phones I've owned and ranks up there with the Pixel 2xl and the Nexus 5 as my fav Google phones.
Anyhow, I'm using the P7P to have fun with Android 14 DP and betas. Will swap back and forth between it and the S23 Ultra until I swap the P7P for the Pixel Fold or P8P.
Though the Ultra will be the primary, nothing was wrong with the Pixel 7 Pro. I just like have the latest and greatest.
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Interesting. Just dropped my P7P off at ubreakifix for same issue. they told me they have been seeing lots of this. also happened to order an S23U right after. I will still keep the P7P for my daily though, assuming it stays functioning.
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It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
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EtherealRemnant said:
It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
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well he did say he was seeing it a lot. I kind of doubted him, but not so sure now. Im not in a large metro area and pixels arent very popular so if its in large numbers its pretty bad. I went rounds with them trying to get the to just replace the phone as they had done for me in the past, though to be honest I have rarely had any problem, but they were having none of it this time. mine was acting up, lasted about a week when I first noticed and contacted google, then yesterday it went kaput, and took it in. They didnt have a screen, but should be done by tuesday. well see how long it lasts I guess.
EtherealRemnant said:
It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
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Probably the displays. Since implementation of variable refresh rate displays the failure rate seems to have escalated across the board.
Maybe badly coded firmware blowing out drivers in your case. Maybe a design or manufacturing flaw or a hot spot in the phone burning out the drivers. Google should owe up to it instead of whistling through their graveyard.
This is one of the reasons I didn't upgrade from the N10+. I also leave the firmware alone as it runs flawlessly as is. Well over 8k hours on this display, still perfect.
Lots of issues with the Samsung variable refresh rate displays on all their latter flagship models. Also a fair amount of display issues on their early fixed rate AMOLEDs. Whether they are user, hardware, firmware or induced by a combination of factors is unknown. As is the mean display lifetimes of various models. Display roulette
It should also be noted that OLEDs and AMOLEDs displays are completely incompatible with water. How well the OLEDs are or aren't encapsulated effects their lifespan and failure rate. Keep phones away from water and avoid water exposure regardless of the ip rating. High G loading from impacts or direct impacts can damage them; always use a good case. Battery swelling from a failure is another way they can be damaged. Overheating from direct sunlight exposure.
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Probably the displays. Since implementation of variable refresh rate displays the failure rate seems to have escalated across the board.
Maybe badly coded firmware blowing out drivers in your case. Maybe a design or manufacturing flaw or a hot spot in the phone burning out the drivers. Google should owe up to it instead of whistling through their graveyard.
This is one of the reasons I didn't upgrade from the N10+. I also leave the firmware alone as it runs flawlessly as is. Well over 8k hours on this display, still perfect.
Lots of issues with the Samsung variable refresh rate displays on all their latter flagship models. Also a fair amount of display issues on their early fixed rate AMOLEDs. Whether they are user, hardware, firmware or induced by a combination of factors is unknown. As is the mean display lifetimes of various models. Display roulette
It should also be noted that OLEDs and AMOLEDs displays are completely incompatible with water. How well the OLEDs are or aren't encapsulated effects their lifespan and failure rate. Keep phones away from water and avoid water exposure regardless of the ip rating. High G loading from impacts or direct impacts can damage them; always use a good case. Battery swelling from a failure is another way they can be damaged. Overheating from direct sunlight exposure.
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I've had no issues with any other OLED panel going all the way back to my S-AMOLED Samsung Captivate (first generation Galaxy S for AT&T). That means... Captivate, S3, S4, Note5, iPhone 12 Pro Max, Pixel 3 XL, OnePlus 9... Probably missing one or two in there. I turn off variable refresh because it annoys me so that theoretically should make my display less prone to failure but here we are. I mean the Pixel came out in October... Those other devices were kept a year give or take (12 Pro Max was two years old before I traded it for the Pixel 7 Pro).
I've never even had OLED burn in because I don't use auto brightness, I manually adjust. I take pretty good care of my phones.
EtherealRemnant said:
I've had no issues with any other OLED panel going all the way back to my S-AMOLED Samsung Captivate (first generation Galaxy S for AT&T). That means... Captivate, S3, S4, Note5, iPhone 12 Pro Max, Pixel 3 XL, OnePlus 9... Probably missing one or two in there. I turn off variable refresh because it annoys me so that theoretically should make my display less prone to failure but here we are. I mean the Pixel came out in October... Those other devices were kept a year give or take (12 Pro Max was two years old before I traded it for the Pixel 7 Pro).
I've never even had OLED burn in because I don't use auto brightness, I manually adjust. I take pretty good care of my phones.
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OP seems to have a good display track record. iPhones I don't really track at all. I track Samsung's now as a matter of morbid curiosity as their flagships continue disappoint me. The N9 was ok but under powered. Samsung has always been hit or miss. Expandable storage would at least show up after being skipped for one generation. I always blew off models without it for the last 7 years... that will not change. As far as tech support Samsung's is poor. A true pain to deal with.
I have 2 N10+'S, my first AMOLED displays, zero issues. I always use manual brightness control and rarely go beyond 50% and then measured in seconds rather then minutes. Always use dark mode as well with no status bar icons.
Some user's insist on running brightness at or near 100% even indoors. Some don't use cases or use ones with inadequate protection.
What could go wrong?
I love Samsung S22/23 Ultra design. By far most beautiful phone design. But I'd say Google Pixel 7/7 Pro is so damn beautiful and original. Something different from other devices. If you put on the desk with iPhone, Samsung it will looks amazing. I'm happy with Google Pixel 7 Pro and it just works. Yes some will say performance isn't good as Samsung, iPhone or other. I don't care about it, but I really enjoy Pixel features. Samsung has best spam call blocking (Hiya), but Screen call is so well done I use most every time if unknown number calling. Did anyone looked how much system takes of storage out of the box. Interesting 65Gb. It is too much. Google use about 16Gb. Not the best but 4 times less. After all I'm too old for switching devices every year or more then once per year. So I'll use Pixel 7 Pro two or three years.
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OP seems to have a good display track record.
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They don't actually. Every single one of their devices going back to at least the 8 Pro has numerous reports of green lines in the screen *and* OnePlus claiming it was dropped and refusing to fix it despite no other obvious damage to the device.
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Samsung has always been hit or miss
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The S23U looks way more hit than anything to come before it in many years. I'm genuinely excited to get this phone.
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Expandable storage
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This is never coming back to flagships. I guess you're stuck with your Note for the foreseeable future.
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Some user's insist on running brightness at or near 100% even indoors.
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I use mine around 10-30% most of the time. I don't abuse my displays.
EtherealRemnant said:
They don't actually. Every single one of their devices going back to at least the 8 Pro has numerous reports of green lines in the screen *and* OnePlus claiming it was dropped and refusing to fix it despite no other obvious damage to the device.
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I was only following more recent OP models. Not too intently though...
EtherealRemnant said:
The S23U looks way more hit than anything to come before it in many years. I'm genuinely excited to get this phone.
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A slight upgrade over the S22U. Same clunky, heavy design with plenty of room for expandable storage. Samsung has failed to bring any real innovation for years now, just adding teasers.
They did considerably clean up the S23U chassis internally though. Much cleaner, too bad it's offset by other poor design choices.
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This is never coming back to flagships. I guess you're stuck with your Note for the foreseeable future.
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That's what Google wants. However eventually if they don't rock it, somebody will. Samsung's flagship phones sales are suffering. Alienating their flagship power users isn't helping their cause.
My expected service life for my N10+'s is 3+ more years. No sweat as they continue to fullfill their mission and save me time and money. My 4G data plan is grandfathered and with 5G being used more now my bandwidth has increased. Cheap, battery friendly and more than enough bandwidth.
The N10+ is just a better balanced phone with a better form factor and display/bezel ratios than any of its successors. It has a better matched performance to available heat sink ratio and the same, often better battery life while weighing 30gms less. Samsung has failed to make their newer flagships effectively more efficient and just keeps slamming in bigger batteries to compensate. Unfortunately the heat sinking area/capacity hasn't increase to keep up with the higher thermal loads. Google Android has damaged functionality and efficiency with its scoped storage... no such thing on Android 9 and 10. By using the N10+'s I avoid the more undesirable Android versions simply by not upgrading/updating. Security simply isn't an issue in actual usage.
Such is the curse of Samsung's ineptness. As a pragmatist I didn't hesitate in exploiting this opportunity by buying a second new discounted N10+... and denting Samsung's pride futher. A stone cold pleasure. It may not be a good plan for some users but it serves me well. If I had to buy a flagship today it still be a new N10+ snap running on Q. Path of least resistance/maximum reward.
I have both. S23 Ultra is great, but Pixel 7 Pro is my daily driver. Photos are amazing.
Not happy that the firmware for the Ultra is over 10 GBs now to flash files. Compared with Googles 2 GB Files.
So I have pixel 7 pro and was thing to switch to U23 ultra, I was leave Samsung 7 years ago when was last note 4 so is little long time.
Right now not sur ei still have mixed feelings.
Pixel has smaller screen zoom about 10%-15% smaller also letter is well.
That big screen and waste it with bigger letters and icons.
Also I can't change samsung pass to Google password manager.
Display on pixel on my eyes looks more luxury then Samsung. But that is just my feeling.
Yes few thing what is issue on pixel there on U23U is work fabulous.
Big plus is battery pixel 7 pro I got around 8h+ on display U23U looks come around 12h+ that I'm impressed.
Also I love it quick setting widgets in pixel and looks without root is not possible to install on Samsung.
So yes also I love design S23U normal corner not kurve to much and spen Thst amazing plus.
So in my case not sure yet if will replace pixel 7 pro or not. All have pro and cons
I switched but I'm a little torn. I love all the little things the Pixel does right. The call screening, voice recognition, lack of bloat....but I needy screen mirroring, texts on my motorcycle (that the pixel never got right) and superior multitasking. I must say the battery life is on another level too but I was fine with it on the pixel. The cameras were fine too.
I switched from 7 Pro because this phone doesn't work in most of the World. In country I stay the most, it didn't have 5G, VoLTE and VoWiFi.