[Q][GSM] Motorola Rarz only 8GB internal Memory? - Motorola Droid RAZR

Hi guys,
i just went to media markt a german electronics store to check out the Razr. I was reading a lot on here and in online magzines, also german once, about the razr.
but i was suprised as i checked the internal memory it only showed total of 8GB and available something about 6GB
in another online magazin the wrote it has 16GB internal memory but only 12 GB available for the user. I also contacted amazon.de, because they didn't had anything on the product details how much memory. and the guy told me that it is 16Gb but 8GB already reserved for Motocast...
can you help me with this? Why does motocast need so much storage?
Motocast is the app, where i can access the media on my pc and stream it to the device, right?
thanks a lot.

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I have this doubt too.I bought mine in Brazil, and it shows only 8GB of internal memory and 6 available, although after you put the SD card it runs an 'internal memory optimizer' and frees all the 8GB.
I think that maybe some sort of reservation, because if it was only the 8GB, some part of this memory would have the system files, and no matter what card you put in the system would be in this memory.But when you put the SD it frees "all" the internal memory.Someone knows how is this possible???

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There's 16gb memory on board.
About 4 gigs are reserved for the system, the other 4 gigs are for apps internal storage.
The internal app 2 sd partition is due to many android phones suffering from slow app loading through the SD port.
The system has 4gigs reserved due to the webtop interface, temp storage for the browser and such. And the full android system of course.
The available storage partition, that saves photos etc should be exactly 8 gb free, unless you've downloaded stuff to it. You are free to format the internal storage so nothing important is on that.
Verizon adds a 16gb sd card too, most other markets do not get a sd card.
But they're cheap.

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it is just weired because i was reading in an reaview that they hat 12gb for user use...? and somebody else was claiming the other 8gb are reserved for motocast. what is this anyway?
but if the make announcments like this: 16 internal memory, i expect something like 11-12 for the user. i know the system needs stuff and so on. but what does it helf me if the write 124 gb internal memory and they use 120, so i only would have 4 left...they should expand the storage then. it is irritating...

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Snake-Plissken said:
it is just weired because i was reading in an reaview that they hat 12gb for user use...? and somebody else was claiming the other 8gb are reserved for motocast. what is this anyway?
but if the make announcments like this: 16 internal memory, i expect something like 11-12 for the user. i know the system needs stuff and so on. but what does it helf me if the write 124 gb internal memory and they use 120, so i only would have 4 left...they should expand the storage then. it is irritating...
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I think that review considered the app2sd partition as "user available"
Sorry, but there's always an SD port, up to 64gb extra

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Snake-Plissken said:
it is just weired because i was reading in an reaview that they hat 12gb for user use...? and somebody else was claiming the other 8gb are reserved for motocast. what is this anyway?
but if the make announcments like this: 16 internal memory, i expect something like 11-12 for the user. i know the system needs stuff and so on. but what does it helf me if the write 124 gb internal memory and they use 120, so i only would have 4 left...they should expand the storage then. it is irritating...
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you have 12gb for use
4 only for apps, and 8 as internal sd...
that's 12gb

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Several gigs are also taken up by Webtop.

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If you run df command, you can see hw the 16GB is being partitioned.
Code:
$ adb shell 'df '
Filesystem Size Used Free Blksize
/dev 464M 328K 463M 4096
/mnt/asec 464M 0K 464M 4096
/mnt/obb 464M 0K 464M 4096
/system 770M 458M 312M 1024
/pds 3M 1M 2M 1024
/preinstall 8M 1M 7M 1024
/data 3G 164M 3G 4096
/cache 708M 16M 691M 4096
/osh 1G 836M 474M 2048
/mnt/sdcard 8G 1G 6G 8192
/mnt/secure/asec: Permission denied
/mnt/sdcard/.android_secure: Cross-device link
/mnt/sdcard 8G 1G 6G 8192
But, after filtering,
Code:
$ adb shell 'mount' | grep 'ext3\|vfat' | awk '{print $2}' | while read d; do adb shell "df $d" | grep $d; done
/system 770M 458M 312M 1024
/pds 3M 1M 2M 1024
/preinstall 8M 1M 7M 1024
/data 3G 164M 3G 4096
/cache 708M 16M 691M 4096
/osh 1G 836M 474M 2048
/mnt/sdcard 8G 1G 6G 8192
IMHO, the reason /mnt/sdcard partition is on VFAT is, because, it make easier for Windows PC to access the /sdcard content via mass storage support. That's why GNex doesn't support Mass Storage mode, because of the exclusion of vfat FS.
Note; The /osh directory has the UBUNTU distro for webtop. Coool!

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ok, and if i have a sd card inserted and apps want to write to sd card, like for their temp-files or whatever they usally store on a sd card, they will write to the internal memory first (sd-card) and if this one is full they will automatilly write to the micro sd (sd-card-ext)? or how does it work? because i would like to use for the app settins and stuff the internal memory, because i think it will be a bit faster...but if this one is full what happens, if i install another app?

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Dont know much , but I have seen when I insert the SD card, then the phone starts up something called Memory optimizer, which would copy the contents from the internal memory to the SD card free up the internal memory....
So I think , the preference is like, SD-card(ext) first and then internal memory...
Hope I understood ur query correctly..

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App storage is always internal, never on ext-sd, MAYBE if you made an ext-partition?
But IMO, best solution since then apps won't break if you pull out your SD card.
And your apps with data stays throughout system updates.
temp files, android data, general folders with rubbish random names, like extra downloaded game data, is on the internal SD partition.
I found my SD card being Very hard to navigate on my old XT720 because of all the extra folders.
Music from motocast defaults to internal as well.
As it looks to me, any data that is replaceable defaults to internal memory.
In case phone breaks, this is always good.
Ext-sd defaults with irreplacable data, like photos and videos.
Really thought through stuff.

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BTW, installed apps are stored in /data 3GB partition, and we still need to do the 'housekeeping' to keep it at a healthy and usable free space size.

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After reading this thread, I am wondering if anyone can help me understand this a little further. According to these posts, I should see approx 6gb available. I just purchased my RAZR today, and I do indeed see both total space and available space at 8gb. But above all of that is the Application storage available space, which reads 2.4gb. Can someone explain to me this allocated storage?
---------- Post added at 04:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:31 AM ----------
I think I just answered my own question...

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Anyway Android can push some portion of the apps to /sdcard partition, similar to APP2SD. Look at Manage App for yourself.
Sent from my XT910 using XDA App

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i have one question......there is a folder name Android/data which contains all the data needed for apps and games but it is present on internal storage ie mnt/SD but the game size is 1.5GB so i was wondering how to move this folder aka Android/data to my 16GB SD card which is mounted as SD-ext.....so any solutions for this? and after moving this folder will it effect the other apps?

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Snake-Plissken said:
ok, and if i have a sd card inserted and apps want to write to sd card, like for their temp-files or whatever they usally store on a sd card, they will write to the internal memory first (sd-card) and if this one is full they will automatilly write to the micro sd (sd-card-ext)? or how does it work? because i would like to use for the app settins and stuff the internal memory, because i think it will be a bit faster...but if this one is full what happens, if i install another app?
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i don't think you will never have memory problems...
i have 30 40 games installed, some with 3d data....
and 1gb navigator maps
and i have 5 gigs left
i think it's really hard to go over 8gb... if you have 10 gameloft games, you are going to occupy somewhere near 4gb...in the remaining 4gb you can install entire market Lol
navigator and games are the only apps wich have more than 100mb data...
and for those there are mods (for example sygic in a xml file) or apps (for many gameloft games for example) wich move data on external sd...
usually i use sd for my data, photos, videos, music etc
if i will ever need space, i'll move gps and games on the external sd
a class 10 external sd is much more than enough for every app

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Snake-Plissken said:
it is just weired because i was reading in an reaview that they hat 12gb for user use...? and somebody else was claiming the other 8gb are reserved for motocast. what is this anyway?
but if the make announcments like this: 16 internal memory, i expect something like 11-12 for the user. i know the system needs stuff and so on. but what does it helf me if the write 124 gb internal memory and they use 120, so i only would have 4 left...they should expand the storage then. it is irritating...
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100% agree with u. i checked memory details of moto droid razr's specification on net and motorola mentioned everywhere there this device has 16 gb memory but when i got it yesterday and after starting m shocked that motorola cheated me. :-( i have used many other mobiles including iphone4 which has 16 gb memory and i can use 13.7 gb. rest of 2.3 gb is used for applications/software installing and ''iTUNE''...but what is the point to mention that device has ''16 GB'' even mobile shows total space is 8 gb....

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xdakam said:
100% agree with u. i checked memory details of moto droid razr's specification on net and motorola mentioned everywhere there this device has 16 gb memory but when i got it yesterday and after starting m shocked that motorola cheated me. :-( i have used many other mobiles including iphone4 which has 16 gb memory and i can use 13.7 gb. rest of 2.3 gb is used for applications/software installing and ''iTUNE''...but what is the point to mention that device has ''16 GB'' even mobile shows total space is 8 gb....
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They confuse specs IMO, it's 16GB on die, but "user accessible" should always be declared (Usually is)
Also, the Verizon phones get a free 16GB SD card, which is where most of this confusion lies.

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it has 8gb internal memory and nearly 3.6 gb for applications and remaining for the system and os

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navdeep2716 said:
it has 8gb internal memory and nearly 3.6 gb for applications and remaining for the system and os
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yep, it actually has 16gb. its just partitioned out :/