I've had my tp for a while but have yet to do much with it. I plan on putting some version of android eventually. Do I have to overclock for both OS? Should I just overclock webos and just go from there?
You don't *have* to overclock, however you have the option to.
I have just my Android system using any overclocking, through SetCPU. My WebOS system is still pretty stock.
Changes to the clock speed under WebOS will not effect the android install. They are 2 different operating systems with their own boot loader. I have found that running at stock speeds under android and webos provides good performance. Overclocking is great if you want to run very intense games but most run quite well at stock speeds. Remaining at stock speed also improves battery life.
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jsepps said:
I've had my tp for a while but have yet to do much with it. I plan on putting some version of android eventually. Do I have to overclock for both OS? Should I just overclock webos and just go from there?
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In webOs, I use Uberkernel @ 192 min and 1.7 max. In android, I use master cpu (free app in market), to set speed @ 384 min and 1.7 max.
I get about 7+ hours in webOs and a little less in android with normal (not heavy) use.
Do a search for overclock and you'll find plenty of info on the subject.
You don't have to overclock, but I find it makes the TP smoother and faster. My opinion.
I know I dont have to overclock but it does seem a little laggy with WebOS for some things
thanks for the input guys
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So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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Linpack MFLOPS - measures the floating point performance of your phone.
710...768...806 - refers to CPU frequencies
increasing the CPU frequency should equate to better general-case performance, including things opening quicker as you mention, but also other types of general snappiness like moving between screens and so forth.
"I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS." - This may have less to do with the performance of your phone and more to do with the emulator itself. Emulation is a surprisingly CPU intensive operation, especially if the emulater isn't well written. Rather than looking a ton into overclocking and JIT, etc, maybe you ought to look for a better piece of software.
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
Carreno43 said:
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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Haha Awesome
it looks like to me that everyone is look at the wrong things.
for example:
I am running a Tom that is getting on a average of 4.9 mflops.
I get smoother screen changes....
streaming videos online is so much faster compared to a 3.0 mflop rom. ...
tubetube and other....... websites.
to me everything I do is faster...
I.don't play game on my phone so I don't know how that is.... but everythng else I do is very much faster.
I love high mflop roms...
I have notice about mflops is that it matters about the kernal that u use.
Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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I have OC and JIT and getting about 5.1 mflops and haven't had worse battery life or a hotter phone. It could be the battery I'm using but meh (got a replacement one that's 2000 mAh) but I got worse battery life on leak 2.1 than with the rom I'm using now that has OC, JIT, LWP, etc. I can go about 8 hours with heavy texting, moderate internet usage and my lwp's running and it only goes to about 65%
so OC and Jit don't make that big of a difference in gameplay?
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What the OP and all the respondents are noting is frankly quite typical of what happens when performance tuning focuses on a single benchmark: the results obtained are essentially meaningless for different kinds of activities on the same device.
That's because there's a whole chain of dependencies that are specific to a given task, any number of which could become the rate-limiting factor; and a different task on the device will have a different set of dependencies and therefore different rate-limiting behaviors.
For instance, let's take writing to an SD card as an example: there's really no way that OC'ing will speed that up in a measurable way - because the CPU isn't the rate limiting factor.
That Linpack benchmark measures floating-point performance using a software library (as the Eris has no hardware FP capability). Most of the apps on the phone do very little FP work at all. But, it's not a bad test of CPU speed, because it performs no I/O. It also may not be very memory bandwidth intensive, either (if the problems it works on stays in the uP cache and there are few page faults).
OTOH, a game emulator needs to write to the graphics display (at a minimum) and possibly also do read I/O from flash.
Different task, different results. Sometimes things can be improved by hardware or firmware; sometimes the software itself needs to be improved.
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im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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Lima beans bad.
Pork good.
Slow phone bad.
Fast phone good.
bftb0
Thanks for my laugh of the day on that one.
What I'm trying to get at is -
I should be able to play, at the basic level, Sonic or Mario - Without issues.
At the very least
I prefer roms over market games any day (Sonic, Mario, Zelda, DK-Country) and it cripples the phone, at least in my view, that I cannot enjoy the fruits of old games.
Although, I was able to find some old Atari games - which, thankfully, work without stuttering.
Just curious is most people who root/use custom ROMs overclock, and if so, what settings do you typically use in SetCPU?
I'm using a S2, rooted with latest Unnamed ROM and find myself contemplating if I should make any changes with SetCPU. Lots of options, and Unnamed has all the different governor options, etc. just really looking for some best practices that people who overclock often.
Would appreciate seeing what you consider to be stable overclock options that give a good boost without causing excessive heat/stability issues.
I'm coming at SetCPU with limited experience so I do appreciate any tips that might see rudimentary, or if there are better resources that teach about this I'd appreciate any links as would like to get a better technical understanding of all this. Thanks in advance.
I use No Frills CPU, and I just set it to 1.6 max/ondemand. Absolutely no heat issues or stability issues, so I just stuck with it. Battery life is good.
most maybe but only by a little bit. a good number of people underclock and undervolt their devices to try and get better battery life. to be honest, the newer phones dont need overclocking to handle the current apps and stuff. the older phones like the nexus one and older need overclocking tho. i leave my gs2 stock. what we really need is dual core support before OC becomes worth it on my phone. ymmv
I have never overclocked mine, phone runs smooth as butter at 1.2 so I don't see the need to go farther. Plus I like my battery lasting more than 24 hours...
I overclock my s2. im running unamed 1.3.0. I like run different speeds at different at different battery percents. 1.6 till 75% 1.4 till 50% 1.2 till 25% 1000 till 15% 800mhz till dead. i had some problems with 1.4 ghz but i tweeked the voltage and that did solved my problem. I'm at 50% battery with normal usage. display 1hr 25mn phone calls for 47min and android os for 56min. my phone doesn't get any hotter then it did before i overclocked. I just did it to say i did. It will prolly help a little unless you like emulators then it will help alot. i have to overclock my iconia a500 to 1.6 if i want to play n64 games.
I'm on UnNamed 1.3.1 with the latest entropy dd kernel and am very happy with the stock CPU speed
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Just wondering if anyone has done this with success. I have heard of speeds as high as 2GHz and was skeptical of this being safe. I figured it would cause some overheating issues. Also what is the best app for this? If this is done is there any noticeable differences in performance(most likely as this doubles the CPU power)? How much battery life lost? Is it worth it?
Thanks
Seriously, use the search or take a peek in the dev section. 1.6 GHz is no problem at the moment. Oh, and for me, it is worth it.
Check out vipercontrol mod in dev. Section. Allows overclock to either 1.5 or 1.6ghz. PRIME CAN EASILY HANDLE this as it was tested by Asus themselves on those speeds. It was seen in the source at first but we couldn't use it. NOW Viperboy made it possible to use those higher speeds. Its more of a mild to normal overclock. Its very easy to do. You will need to install vipercontrol mod to your prime and also terminal emulator. INSTRUCTIONS are in that thread.
WE have even found another method to run parallel to vipercontrol mod to allow overclocking of all 4 cores to 1.6Ghz. Vipercontrol, St the moment, doesn't do that by itself. JUST ALLOWS normal overclocking as Asus had it.
Seems kind of odd that ASUS backed off on the performance by 30% don't you think? Maybe they just wanted to do more testing, or maybe it was a last minute change based on their first prototypes.
Mine seems OK at 1.6, but I don't feel the need to overclock it in general use - unlike my phone which I think will have a shorter life as a device anyway.
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Seems kind of odd that ASUS backed off on the performance by 30% don't you think? Maybe they just wanted to do more testing, or maybe it was a last minute change based on their first prototypes.
Mine seems OK at 1.6, but I don't feel the need to overclock it in general use - unlike my phone which I think will have a shorter life as a device anyway.
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I think it was more about more money down the road. AS I'm sure you've heard of Lenovo tablet coming out months down the road. Its gonna use exact same tegra3 chip except with the 1.6ghz enabled on it.
THINK of it this way, why would Asus/Nvidia release its first quad core device already at 1.6ghz? Its already the most powerful tablet at its current state. They did this so down the line when newer tablets come out, it'll be more incentive to like the device or think it's more powerful if its clocked higher. If prime came out with 1.6ghz enabled already, then how would that look to consumers who buy tablets months later that have exact same speeds. PRIME would be the better value and those newer tablets wouldn't be all that appealing, As far as power goes. SO the newer manufacturers can have something to boast about. Like hey look at our device its clocked higher therefore more powerful. Another reason also they didn't enable it on the Prime was for battery life. At its current state, stock, prime gets excellent battery life no matter what mode you in really. HAVING 1.6ghz enabled, as I do now, drains the battery at least at the same rate as performance mode or more. PLusbif you add the extra boost to vipercontrol overclock using system tuner, then battery really drains alot faster. Because then I have all 4 cores running Max 1.6ghz at the same time. Viper control doesn't go that extreme, yet.
YOU ALSO have to remember Asus and Nvidia designed the Prime together. SO prime n tegra3 speeds are really a testing ground for future setups in future tablets. That's how we were already able to see the higher speeds a couple updates back but couldn't use them till vioerboy made it possible or you figured out how to do it with root and going into /system/etc and executing the cpu5.sh script.
I LOVE the overclock but find myself now going to stock speeds to see how they compare. STOCK speeds are really good, especially with ICS. EVERYthing is smooth n superfast.. Overclocking does make it even faster but the tradeoff is slightly faster battery drain. PLUS there's nothing out now that stock prime really can't handle. SO no real use for needing to overclock, yet. UNLESS you just want your device to be the fastest it can be. I keep switching now. Lol. Ill have it on stock speeds n as soon as I see a mention of overclock. It compels me to do it. N vs. Versa. ACTUALLY. Even with vioerboy overclock, battery life is still good. Just not as good as it would be on stock configuration. Now once bootloader unlocked, we will see overclocking paired with undervolting. So we can get Max speed and Max battery life. Or at least get the overclock to get same battery life or better as stock configuration. DONT be surprised if you see us hitting 2Ghz overclock soon. Its coming. Then if paired with system tuner, we could have all 4 cores running @ 2Ghz a piece all at the same time. unbelievable!
Hello! i am in the process of overclocking my thunderbolt in order to get better performance with the eternity rom, and i was wondering what you guys oc your phones to? and if you do, what program/setting do you use to do so? (i plan to use a script in init after have found suitable settings)
I, personally, find it pointless to OC the Thunderbolt. The phone is fast and smooth enough for me on the stock speed, plus the battery life is bad enough without adding more strain to it.
However, if you insist on OC'ing, 1.2GHz is a safe bet. Some people can get to 1.4GHz, but then you run into freezing and random reboots. Also remember that individual phones handle overclocking differently. Where one phone can run perfect at 1.4GHz, another might freeze instantly when going that high.
Good OC'ing programs include SetCPU, No Frills CPU, and ROM Toolbox.
I don't overclock. That being said i have OC'd my phone b4 i have had it up to 1.8 Ghz stable, but it doesnt seem to make anything run faster. I use the Thundershed version of CM7 and its super fast. I dont think it could get much faster. and without overclocking i get better battery life.
thanks for the info actually ended up going with the lean kernel which is oc'd on the kernel level, works fairly well
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thanks for the info actually ended up going with the lean kernel which is oc'd on the kernel level, works fairly well
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Leankernel is tops. I use battsaver mode which is stock speed and undervolted. Smooth as butter on my phone.
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Hey guys, as you know, Titanium-Backup Pro can freeze apps, thus stopping them from running in the background.
So far I've frozen...
AllShare 1.2.1
Days 1.0
[VOICEMAIL] Dialer 2.3.5
[SMS/MMS/APN..er storage 2.3.5
FotaClient 1.0
Maps 6.5.1
Mini Diary 1.0
Mobile print 1.2
Phone 1.0
PhoneUtil 1.0.0
Print via Bluetooth 1.0
RDP Bridge 1.0
Samsung Apps 2.6.036
Samsung S... View 2.4.2
SimDetachNotifier 1.0.0
Social Hub 1.00.10102
Software update 2.0.0
Sound Player 1.0
Street View 1.7.2.0
Talk 1.3
TalkBack 2.6.0
TwLauncher 2.3.5
TwWallpaperChooser 1.0
VPN Services 2.3.5
Market Feedback Agent 2.3.7
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The most memory I could get free was 203MB with nothing running except...
Settings @ 10mb
GO Launcher EX @ 19MB
Task manager @ 7.4MB
SNS @ 0.00B
GO Keyboard @ 11MB
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I get around 203MB of free RAM this way... Which works great for games like Modern Combat 3 or other RAM heavy games/apps.
Does anyone know if one of the things I froze is bad to freeze? Or of any other items we could freeze to get the most optimal amount of RAM possible for this device? I'm curious to see if we can see a stable 210MB+ of RAM (with nothing running).
What results do you guys get?
Go to running and stop the go launcher I always stop it and it frees a bit
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I wonder how stable it is your device after you freeze all those components in every day use.
And another question, I see you have it overclocked to 1.5 Ghz, again, how stable it is?. And, what voltage modifications and governor do you use for that kind of overclock?
Thank you, it is good to see a topic related to maximize resources in this gem.
I have RAM Manager and it works pretty well if you also have a task manager.
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I wonder how stable it is your device after you freeze all those components in every day use.
And another question, I see you have it overclocked to 1.5 Ghz, again, how stable it is?. And, what voltage modifications and governor do you use for that kind of overclock?
Thank you, it is good to see a topic related to maximize resources in this gem.
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It seems pretty stable. I haven't come across any issues thus far. The roughly 200mb of free RAM makes playing Shadowgun so smooth with 4xMSAA enabled. Clocking it to 1.5GHz prior also smooths the fps out a good bit too.
Shadowgun (without 4xMSAA and 1.5GHz) = Very high, probably 50-60fps
Shadowgun (with 4xMSAA and 1GHz) = Significantly lower fps, probably around 20fps
Shadowgun (with 4xMSAA, 200mb of RAM free prior, 1.5GHz) = Pretty good fps, probably around 30-40fps or so.
Oh and my 1.5GHz clocked profile is...
ondemand, 100~1500MHz
L0 1500MHz - 1350mV - 1150mV
L1 0800MHz - 1200mV - 1100mV
L2 0400MHz - 1050mV - 1100mV
L3 0200MHz - 0950mV - 1100mV
L4 0100MHz - 0950mV - 1000mV
I've had no stability issues with this profile so far. I usually only use it for intense gaming like Shadowgun (since it uses a ton of special effects/resources) in order to obtain a smooth framerate. I also use it for Modern Combat 3 and Order & Chaos. On a non-gaming note; It seems to make the OS run MUCH faster, GOLauncher seems very speedy as well + fluid transitions.
I've had it at 1.5GHz all day and while battery did drop a bit, it was very speedy and usable during the time I used it (occasionally over a work day).
I've probably had this profile for about a month or so now, and nothing has crashed or frozen due to it.
This might work
Personally I just rooted my SGP player 5.0 and downloaded a custom rom. The custom rom I had had an auto task killer or whatever it was called, which automatically freed up memory. This helps so much because in the stock rom I had to always go to the task maager.
Here's a link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1423
Thank you for the response, I'm gonna try your profile to see if how it works for me. And if I burned it, I'll send you the receipt...
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Thank you for the response, I'm gonna try your profile to see if how it works for me. And if I burned it, I'll send you the receipt...
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Lol you won't burn it at 1.5Ghz, but at 2GHZ.... that's another story. Lets just say I was showing off how the slider went to 2GHz and hit apply on accident. The screen instantly dissolved, in the way an old Gameboy Color would when you turned it off (image burn?). Luckily it reboot shortly afterwards and seemed fine. That was about 2 months ago. So uh... yeah. 1.5 is stable, 1.6 worked, but I haven't tested it enough yet.
I'm testing 1.4 for now using your voltage values from 1.5
I'll keep it like that for a few days and then i will ramp it up to 1.5
Also, this is REALLY weird, maybe I'm just crazy and/or ignorant, but every time I install a new ROM, the last thing I do is change the DPI value from 240 to 200, and when I reboot the device, everything becomes faster, noticeable faster and smoother, have anyone else noticed that?
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anybody know what voltage and stuff to put to over clock to 1.2
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Or what's the best thing to overclock from 1.0
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I use tegra overclock on stock settings 1.3 ghz profile scalingondemand and powesave profile when screen is off ..i did not see any change in batery life vs 1ghz and everything is 40% faster.
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I use tegra overclock on stock settings 1.3 ghz profile scalingondemand and powesave profile when screen is off ..i did not see any change in batery life vs 1ghz and everything is 40% faster.
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Does it heat up whith heavy gaming?
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I haven't seen any report about that in our devices.
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Does it heat up whith heavy gaming?
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No..i played this morning minecraft pe for 4 hours and it did not heat at all.
No..i played this morning minecraft pe for 4 hours and it did not heat at all.
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Or what's the best thing to overclock from 1.0
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I'll go ahead and confirm that you can clock from 1.1-1.3GHz without changing anything other than the clock speed. 1.4Ghz+ is where I'd apply the 1.5Ghz profile I use currently.
And no, it doesn't head up much during intense gaming; At least not for me.
what should I put in voltage and all that in 1.2 Ghz and in the set CPU
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what should I put in voltage and all that in 1.2 Ghz and in the set CPU
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For 1.2Ghz, just use the stock values. No need to adjust them until 1.4Ghz+
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For 1.2Ghz, just use the stock values. No need to adjust them until 1.4Ghz+
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And now you tell me.... That would explain my battery drain.
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