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Hi all,
Was just wondering if it's worth me swapping my iPad 2 for the Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I've had a quick (really quick) play around on the 10.1, but the screen doesn't seem very responsive and smooth compared to the iPad 2.
I'm in no way at all an Apple fan boy, I much prefer Android as an operating system which is why I have an HTC Sensation, but I'm in 2 minds what to do.
Can the 10.1 be tweaked to actually respond to the stylus I use with my iPad 2?
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Yes, you should swap the iPad for the Galaxy Tab 10.1. I have been enjoying mine since I got and have had no issues it is really smooth, in fact it feel smoother than the iPad. It is a great devices and with android and not being locked up like iOS it makes it even better!
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Do you know which models are affected by the 'oil slick' problem?
From a truly non-biased point of view, I think the best answer is "it's up to you alone to decide".
What do you currently use your tablet for? What would you like to use it for in the future? Considering you're active here, I'm guessing there's a chance you'll want to root and ROM your Tab, are you waiting on the iPad2 jailbreak? Is that critical to you?
When I got my Tab I knew I was going to root and ROM from the start, I already had a jailbroken iPhone and wanted to see what all the fuss was about with Android. I consider myself a power user and I enjoyed exploring the nooks and crannies of the iPhone on my own, with my Tab most of it was documented somewhere.
I mainly use my Tab for reading techincal ebooks during my commute, and for reading my RSS and browsing when I'm too lazy to get out of bed. I didn't like the iPad's portrait interface which just looked like a blown up iPhone's. I was doing research on one at work and the more I used it, the more niggles I found I had with the way it treated me like a basic user. The fact I wasn't planning to game too much (if at all) was another reason I leaned towards my Tab.
As my sig shows, I liked Android so much I stuck around and got the GNex too.
P.S. My Tab has the oil slick problem. It's annoying to know my gear is technically faulty, but I can honestly not see the issue while the backlight is on.
The screen size really suited my and so did the weight for the tab 10.1
It really is up to you, but to be honest, you don't know the tab's full capabilities yet as it's not got an official ICS build yet!
i dont want to hijack this thread but i have a very small question so creating a new thread would be totally waste.
1)can any one tell me about availability of games on galaxy tab 10.1 compared to ipad2??
2) will Cm9 officially support Tab10.1??
3) can i play 720p mkv videos with softsubs without any problem?? My MKVs are generally H.264+AC3/AAC. I dont care if i have to buy a player to do it.
I am really confused between ipad2 and galaxy tab 10.1. HAve to buy any one of two.
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From a truly non-biased point of view, I think the best answer is "it's up to you alone to decide".
What do you currently use your tablet for? What would you like to use it for in the future? Considering you're active here, I'm guessing there's a chance you'll want to root and ROM your Tab, are you waiting on the iPad2 jailbreak? Is that critical to you?
When I got my Tab I knew I was going to root and ROM from the start, I already had a jailbroken iPhone and wanted to see what all the fuss was about with Android. I consider myself a power user and I enjoyed exploring the nooks and crannies of the iPhone on my own, with my Tab most of it was documented somewhere.
I mainly use my Tab for reading techincal ebooks during my commute, and for reading my RSS and browsing when I'm too lazy to get out of bed. I didn't like the iPad's portrait interface which just looked like a blown up iPhone's. I was doing research on one at work and the more I used it, the more niggles I found I had with the way it treated me like a basic user. The fact I wasn't planning to game too much (if at all) was another reason I leaned towards my Tab.
As my sig shows, I liked Android so much I stuck around and got the GNex too.
P.S. My Tab has the oil slick problem. It's annoying to know my gear is technically faulty, but I can honestly not see the issue while the backlight is on.
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Thanks for the informative reply.
Yes, indeed I was waiting for the iPad 2 jailbreak, but it looks like they've hit another hurdle,so I'm not holding my breath no more!
I do like the games on the iPad 2, some of them are fantastic, but Android seem to be lacking in the game department area.
They only have the following tablet apps listed on the android website:-
https://market.android.com/details?id=apps_tablet_featured&start=0&num=24
The camera on the iPad 2 is shocking, it's not even worth having one on there,not in low light conditions anyway.
Still in 2 minds what to do. I have android on my HTC Sensation, so do I need it on a tablet too.....
Arrrgggggghhhhhhhhh
kingkij said:
i dont want to hijack this thread but i have a very small question so creating a new thread would be totally waste.
1)can any one tell me about availability of games on galaxy tab 10.1 compared to ipad2??
2) will Cm9 officially support Tab10.1??
3) can i play 720p mkv videos with softsubs without any problem?? My MKVs are generally H.264+AC3/AAC. I dont care if i have to buy a player to do it.
I am really confused between ipad2 and galaxy tab 10.1. HAve to buy any one of two.
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1) Games exist and run on both devices, sometimes the same game is on both iOS and Android, sometimes they are device specific. Don't really know what you're asking?
2) Yes, and there's a preview version available on the Tab 10.1 Dev forum right now, I have it installed.
3) Yes, I think so. Although I'm not entirely certain as I don't watch videos too much on mine, unless they're Youtube embedded in a webpage/RSS. There's something for the GNex out now though, that I have a memory someone saying they were running it on their SGT10.1 too. And I'm not 100% sure about subs tbh.
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kurtish said:
Thanks for the informative reply.
Yes, indeed I was waiting for the iPad 2 jailbreak, but it looks like they've hit another hurdle,so I'm not holding my breath no more!
I do like the games on the iPad 2, some of them are fantastic, but Android seem to be lacking in the game department area.
They only have the following tablet apps listed on the android website:-
https://market.android.com/details?id=apps_tablet_featured&start=0&num=24
The camera on the iPad 2 is shocking, it's not even worth having one on there,not in low light conditions anyway.
Still in 2 minds what to do. I have android on my HTC Sensation, so do I need it on a tablet too.....
Arrrgggggghhhhhhhhh
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I used this list for a long time to find 10.1" HC-optimised apps: http://www.xoomforums.com/forum/motorola-xoom-apps/570-optimized-honeycomb-apps-list.html
(Note how I say optimised, not compatiable - if you're on Android 3.2 or later, there's a difference as they included a feature to expand phone apps to take up the whole screen).
The link you provided is the "Featured Tablet Apps" list, but I do feel there is less tablet-specific apps available for Android compared to iOS. However, the ones I need for my daily use exist, so that fact isn't such an issue to me. And it's hopefully only going to get better as devs move to the GNex and develop on a SDK that encourages phone and tablet interfaces to be designed and used in a single app download.
I don't use my camera on my Tab, so can't help you there...sorry.
After being pissed at the delays of the Prime back in December (mostly with the retailer I purchased it from), I decided to cancel my Nov 22 pre-order. Reading some of the negative comments about the Prime from new owners here, I decided to pick up the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. However, even with the negativity being displayed at XDA I still longed to try out the TFP. What can I say, I'm a sucker for specs!
I love the SGT 10.1...even with the current stock ROM. Plan to change ROMs if I ultimately decide to keep it. I have a few days left to return for a full refund.
Just this morning, I found a Prime in stock in my city and will be picking it up later today. This will give me a chance to compare the two side by side and determine which one I will keep. If the Prime shows up with any defects at all (minus the GPS which is a known defect), that will make my decision fairly simple. I'm probably going to be overly picky while scrutinizing this device considering what I've read on this forum. If both feel just as good as one another, I will probably decide to keep the Prime.
My only gripe so far with the Galaxy Tab is that it's just not NEW technology. I wonder how much development can continue for that H/W. Whereas, the tegra3 development still needs to be born...but my assumption is that it will.
I will update with my thoughts.
As I'm sure the SG tab is a swell device, There is no comparison To The Prime.
That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini Don't be fooled by some of the negative reviews. There were plenty like you who doubted. Then they took the plunge and never looked back since. They said they were glad they didn't let the negative comments from some persuade them. Plus only with the Prime will you get Free Ice Cream..lol Now what other tab is giving away free Ice Cream Sandwiches?
Instead, read the positive reviews, which FAR OUTWEIGH the negative ones.
Once you try the TFP with ICS I'm confident you will be returning the Gtab. TFP is by far the best tab experience I've had after trying most.
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demandarin said:
As I'm sure the SG tab is a swell device, There is no comparison To The Prime.
That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini Don't be fooled by some of the negative reviews. There were plenty like you who doubted. Then they took the plunge and never looked back since. They said they were glad they didn't let the negative comments from some persuade them. Plus only with the Prime will you get Free Ice Cream..lol Now what other tab is giving away free Ice Cream Sandwiches?
Instead, read the positive reviews, which FAR OUTWEIGH the negative ones.
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I know from many other forums that I frequent that negative comments (on just about any topic) are always SCREAMED much more loudly than anything positive. People rush to the internet to bring up the problems they are experiencing. Misery loves company???
The problem with reading the positive comments are the so-called fanboys that wear rose-coloured glasses. They will forgive just about any defect they see...or, they will not report on it and quietly seek to resolve their own issues while continuing to pump up the product.
Either way, it's really hard to determine from sites like this if problems really are rampant with a particular device (no doubt they do exist for some, though). A small vocal minority can make a huge difference in people's perception on how wide-spread these issues really are.
I am more than happy to have the opportunity to have both in hand and give them "my" real world test.
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I know from many other forums that I frequent that negative comments (on just about any topic) are always SCREAMED much more loudly than anything positive. People rush to the internet to bring up the problems they are experiencing. Misery loves company???
The problem with reading the positive comments are the so-called fanboys that wear rose-coloured glasses. They will forgive just about any defect they see...or, they will not report on it and quietly seek to resolve their own issues while continuing to pump up the product.
Either way, it's really hard to determine from sites like this if problems really are rampant with a particular device (no doubt they do exist for some, though). A small vocal minority can make a huge difference in people's perception on how wide-spread these issues really are.
I am more than happy to have the opportunity to have both in hand and give them "my" real world test.
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very good point and its Fair. The issues some people are having are very real. no denying that. I think the worst I've seen was people who experiencing screen banding issues. I saw some pics and it looks horrible. but as with any other issue, these are in very small numbers. Getting a prime now will more than likely be out of a new batch with the hardware updated that addresses BT/wifi issues n such. Still metal back though. Good Luck on your comparisons. I'm sure you will find the more stock Ice Cream Sandwich experience to be alot smoother n faster than the Galaxy with Touchwiz slapped over the OS. The Galaxy is a real nice device. But at the price point of Prime, the specs, and Performance, it can't be beat now. And the display is just lovely..lol. Report back on your findings.
The Gtab is quite nice, my brother has one and brought it over. I was able to play with the Gtab and the Prime at the same time. To me, the differences were more in the look and feel (I much prefer the Prime, but they are pretty close in size), I didn't get a chance to run any games or anything. However, this was before the ics upgrade which is definitely a game changer. For the same, or similar price, to me it is Prime all the way. Have fun comparing!
I sold my Galaxy Tab to buy my TFP which comes today (i hope), I got almost enough $$ from it to buy the TFP which to me was a no brainer given the improvement in specs, seemed like a good time to upgrade before getting stuck with old technology when the quad cores start flooding the market.
DAMN!
My order was cancelled saying that there were now none in stock. Guess I was a little late in the queue of orders.
Then...I saw it available at another location and promptly ordered...same thing happened again.
Well...I will keep trying until my refund date arrives....if not, the Galaxy Tab is the one for me. I`m going to continue looking for one in the next few days....really hoping to try one, though.
The prime might have ICS, but the galaxy is supposed to get cm9 by the end of the month. I would rather have cm9 over stock ICS. That being said, I sold my galaxy tab for the prime.
My wife has Sgt 10.1. They're just different. We both agree the Touchwiz has got to go. Other than that, if you don't want quad core and prefer the rather delicate plastic back of the sgt, keep it. Ps tf dock > sgt dock.
My wife has a GT 10.1, and when I was using my original Transformer I admit to being a bit jealous. The GT 10.1 has a markedly better screen than the TF101, is much thinner and lighter, and had some simple things that Samsung added that made it a bit nicer, like search in the stock email app.
The Prime, however, killed my envy. It feels more solid than the GT 10.1, is just as thin/light, is of course faster, and the screens are pretty close in normal lighting. However, take the two outside and turn on the Super IPS+ mode on the Prime, and there's no contest. The GT 10.1 is pretty much unusable in direct sunlight (like pretty much all other tablets), while the Prime is perfectly usable, even comfortable. Also, ASUS added in some of those nice missing features, like search in the stock email app.
So, while I'd say the GT 10.1 is the best tablet other than the Prime, the Prime is the better device.
Note: One thing that's certainly heads and shoulders better on the GT 10.1 is GPS. It locks on instantly, and maintains a lock well. It can easily be used as a navigation device using an app with local maps. Huge win here.
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The prime might have ICS, but the galaxy is supposed to get cm9 by the end of the month. I would rather have cm9 over stock ICS. That being said, I sold my galaxy tab for the prime.
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Well once bootloader is unlocked I'm sure we will be seeing cm9 soon enough. We have great Devs and are very quick at turnaround time. I to had Galaxy tab 10.1 16gb version. Returned it for the Prime. It's a good tablet but doesn't compare to the Prime. My wife though has the GT 10.1 and she loves it.
"That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini."
demandarin
jjdevega said:
Well once bootloader is unlocked I'm sure we will be seeing cm9 soon enough. We have great Devs and are very quick at turnaround time. I to had Galaxy tab 10.1 16gb version. Returned it for the Prime. It's a good tablet but doesn't compare to the Prime. My wife though has the GT 10.1 and she loves it.
"That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini."
demandarin
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ah man, you have me laughing. I noticed you quoted what I said..lmfao its true though
I sold my GT 10.1 to get the Prime, which I have had for about 10 days now. The difference is like night and day. The GT 10.1 is so sluggish in comparison. The Prime is light, glam, the screen is amazing, ICS is brilliant, and the dock just adds a whole new dimension! Never looked back!
Hi guys,
Here is my short story why I have sold my Asus Prime. Some of you can lough at me because few days ago I was laughing at Ipad3. But I asked myself few questions... and changed my point of view totally.
Generally my first tablet was Asus Transformer. I liked it very much. Unfortunately in the first week after I got it I had to send it to RMA. I had dust under screen. I was mad...
After 4 weeks I get it back. After few next days I discover that it creaks - another reason to be mad for Asus.
But I kept it using. Meanwhile I bought Ipad2 just to test it. The first thing I noticed was that every game/app was designed to work on Ipad properly. Nice
graphics, fast and so on. I could not say that about Android and Asus Transformer. There were (there still are) so few apps/games that works in 1280x800 resolution.
Despite all those games and apps on Ipad2 few things forced me to sell it after 2 months of using:
- low resolution of ipad - this was the most annoying thing
- no flash (minor thing)
- no sdcard slot (then It was important for me - now it is not - why ? because I really do not use this... )
It was December 2011. I decided to wait for new Asus Prime. Tegra 3 I thought - man. That is going to be awesome.
In the late end of December I bought Asus Prime. First impressions - WOW!
And then:
- still only few apps/games for tablets
- my unit is creaking - AGAIN! (aaaarrrggghhhh!!!!)
- HDMI broke after 3 weeks! (aaaaarrrgggghhh!!!!)
- battery is drained after 5-6 hours of using (only browsing WWW)
So now when I see that Ipad3 has great Retina display am changing my way of thinking.
I have enough of Asus lies. Yes. I feel cheated by Asus. The battery was supposed to stand for 9 hours. I get 5 and sometimes 6. The same as it was in first transformer (my Ipad2 had 9-10).
I have enough of VERY poor quality of Asus products for 600$!
I have enough of laggy ICS - yes it is laggy as hell - especially when browsing
I have enough of 1280x800 resolution. It got to old...
Am not going to wait another few years for apps/games that are mainly designed for Tablets. I can imagine how long will it take to see apps for Asus Prime Infinity (1080P screen)...
Yes - am aware of this that Ipad3 does not support flash. But it not a big problem. Only 1 site I visit uses this technology. Yes - there is no sdslot in Ipad. But do I really need this? No I do not.
I asked myself a question. What is the most important for me in tablet:
- the highest resolution it can be - for now it is Retina
- I want to have A LOT of games/apps - for now iOS is the only option
- I want fast and smooth system - again iOS is the best. ICS is much more better than Honeycomb but it has no chance with iOS
- I want my tablet not to creak!!!
Am not using only theory. I had Ipad2. I know how it works. I know it has some limitations. But I want a tablet that has plenty of apps on it. I want tablet with super resolution. And I want a high quality products. Not Asus **** that creaks...
I will never ever buy anything that is made by Asus.
Of course I respect Android. This is VERY good system. Full freedom. But one thing kills this system. It is poor quality games/apps. They are fine for Phones with small screens. But how many of them works in full 1280x800 ? Few....
And that is why am changing my tablet.
I wonder how many of you are interested in deflecting to Ipad3?
PS - oh and I forget to mention about non working GPS and poor WI FI...
PS2 - am still using Samsung Galaxy II as a mobile. Am not going to change it for Iphone...
I'm not deflecting to Ipad but I do respect your viewpoint. my batteryvlasts 9-10hrs. and tablet doesn't creak. plus I have tons of great apps n games. in my Neo Geo emulator alone I have 34 games.
but I'm not posting to convince you otherwise of your experience. all I can say is good luck with it. make sure when you get one to check out ipadforums.net for all latest n greatest info on it. jailbreaking info and guides in there also.
Get an ipad and get out?
You wont have muti-tasking out of the box. Have fun being locked down.
RMA/Return/Swap and get a new prime.
I love this thing way to much, to let it go
Not I. I personally can't stand IOS and the resolution of the prime is more than fine for me. I have a 1080p TV for most of my movie watching, and mkv movies look perfect I think on the tab when I need it (IE Airplane). Prime is the best tablet I've ever used.
To each their own, hope the Ipad works out better for ya.
Well believe me. Am not happy about this. But I just feel bad with Prime. You know it is very expensive product and still I see no diffidence between TF101 and TF201. I like it but I have to sell it. It is so called toxic love - hahaha.
David522d ---> like I said. For me most important are games/apps and the display. All other things are not so important for me.
cool story bro
My Prime suits my needs, can't think of other device for me atm!
I deeply admire the design of Apple, but strongly dislike the company philosophy!
Have fun with your new device.
Orion66 said:
Well believe me. Am not happy about this. But I just feel bad with Prime. You know it is very expensive product and still I see no diffidence between TF101 and TF201. I like it but I have to sell it. It is so called toxic love - hahaha.
David522d ---> like I said. For me most important are games/apps and the display. All other things are not so important for me.
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Dude i have SNES, Playstation, 64, Sega. the apps on this thing is insane, you should try overskreen/stickitt.
HDMI, the new iCrap doesnt have that.
done deal
Why do people find the need to write these stupid exit reviews? What's the point? You're frustrated? Fine. You have come to feel a product is better and suits your needs more? Fine. Just move on! Sheesh!
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Sounds like you did the right thing, now
read this OP before you go out buying a new Ipad
www.extremetech.com/computing/12264...ampaign=read-this-before-you-buy-the-new-ipad
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Why do people find the need to write these stupid exit reviews? What's the point? You're frustrated? Fine. You have come to feel a product is better and suits your needs more? Fine. Just move on! Sheesh!
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Hmm maybe because that is why the forums are for? Imagine 20% of people reading this thread wants to or already have exchanged their primes for ipads.
Good luck living with the following dude:
Deliberate downgrade of the camera to 5mp even though Apple use millions of 8mp versions for their iphones.
Pushing Face Time as a main feature then only using a VGA front facing camera.
No ability to upload to browser ie, adding photos to image hosts.
No ability to transfer files through Bluetooth.
No ability to connect to HDMI source without purchasing expensive peripherals.
No ability to plug in USB drive to transfer files.
No ability to plug in an SD or micro SD to increase storage capacity.
No access to the file system to access, move or delete files.
No ability to customise the homescreens with widgets or launchers.
No ability to use different icons without jailbreaking.
No Flash videos on websites.
Etc etc.
If Android ran their tablets with those issues, the OS would be slammed throughout the tech world. For some reason Apple reviewers don't mention any of these major shortfallings.
Good luck with it!
It's a known issue that if a reviewer posts anything apple does not like, they do not get review samples next time.
The truth is some people should use iOS. The OP is seemingly one of them. However I have to wonder about the lust for a high rez screen on a 10" device.. I wonder if he knows none of the software supports it yet.
The fact of the mater is right now a random person who buys a tablet is probably 75% of the time an iPad buyer.
However with so many people with android on phones, in time more will choose the same OS for a tablet.
I Love the prime...
i was going to go in to this and that but i just cant be arsed.........
Not to be cruel but are we supposed to care? It's your money do what you want.
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Have fun with your crapple. Personally I find them to be the most boring devices on the planet....its no wonder they are so "fast" and dont lag. There is nothing to them. Its just screens and screens of icons.
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Hmm maybe because that is why the forums are for? Imagine 20% of people reading this thread wants to or already have exchanged their primes for ipads.
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Good luck with your new device.
But I also don't understand why you felt the need to post this thread. I am sorry you weren't happy with the Transformer Prime, but I don't know why you feel the need to justify your purchase of an iPad to anyone. It isn't helpful to people who read these forums looking for info on their Primes and I seriously doubt that the majority of people really care about what tablet that you find is right for you.
If you look at your poll now, you can see that the 20% of people who switched to an iPad is now a much smaller percentage. Why? Because this is an Asus Transformer Prime forum, not an iPad forum.
The funny thing that strikes me when someone is unimpressed with a product to the point of selling it for something else, i.e.: it's competitor, is that implied notion that the competitor's product is inherently better.
--The Prime may not have a display of the "New" iPad, but it is in it's own regard, awesome.
--I, like others have stated, consistently get 8.5 to 10 hours of use. Obviously, battery life depends on what you're doing...
Also, people seem to think that because it's an iPad that it just works...
IT IS SUBJECT TO THE SAME FAULTS AND FAILURES AS ANY OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICE! Meaning, sometimes it will work FLAWLESSLY, while other times you're hating yourself for buying a piece of sh!T.
As others have stated, you don't need to justify your purchase to anyone... just be happy with what you got... you paid the money and enjoy the fruits of your labor -- regardless of the brand.
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
Hope this helps a bit...
The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
duarian said:
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
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Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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Okay picked my tablet up two days.
1. Light bleeding in the right and lest lower corners (landscape mode)
2. Lag while scrolling in apps well choppynes. apps I know work fine they don't do it on my galaxy note 2 or my galaxy s2.
3. Extreme heat and frame rate drops during games.
Could the lag issue be the cause of my tablet being on 4.2 so they aren't tuned for it? Would you guys be willing to test out apps I'm having issues with? I am rooted and have twrp installed I purchased my tablet from Walmart not sure if that matters don't know if they use inferior parts. Now would I return it keep I mean I mister have the best and when my 3 year old phone runs better on alpha there is a problem. Are there roms to make it run better? I wish it ran better than it does i mean its such a beautiful tablet. what do you guys think? should i keep it or return it and pick up an asus tf700
It depends on the apps, I don't mind testing them.
Many/all of your questions have Been addressed, so I'd suggest browsing around for more information. But I feel like testing handwriting recognition so here we go.
It depends on the ROM you install and how much of a performance gain you expect to get. I only got my tablet back today, prior to sending it in I was running AKOP with kt's kernel and it ran great, but I wouldn't discount other ROMs I simply haven't installed them yet.
It's difficult to compare the tablet to phones because it's pushing so many damn pixels, so its harder on the internals to keep up with a much smaller device with way less pixels. That said, IMHO your expectations of the Nexus 10 are going to frustrate you beyond belief with the TF700. All the build quality issues were worse in my experience, and stock performance is alright until you open a Web browser or try to download something.
The tablet is the same no matter where you buy it, they're all made by Samsung.
Throw a ROM and kernel on it and see how you feel about it. I own a Note II and I've been very happy with the Nexus 10's performance running a display like what it's got sitting on the front.
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It depends on the apps, I don't mind testing them.
Many/all of your questions have Been addressed, so I'd suggest browsing around for more information. But I feel like testing handwriting recognition so here we go.
It depends on the ROM you install and how much of a performance gain you expect to get. I only got my tablet back today, prior to sending it in I was running AKOP with kt's kernel and it ran great, but I wouldn't discount other ROMs I simply haven't installed them yet.
It's difficult to compare the tablet to phones because it's pushing so many damn pixels, so its harder on the internals to keep up with a much smaller device with way less pixels. That said, IMHO your expectations of the Nexus 10 are going to frustrate you beyond belief with the TF700. All the build quality issues were worse in my experience, and stock performance is alright until you open a Web browser or try to download something.
The tablet is the same no matter where you buy it, they're all made by Samsung.
Throw a ROM and kernel on it and see how you feel about it
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Thanks for your response i have done a little reading nothing on the laggy scrolling and for gaming its hit and miss ass is the light bleeding. So im trying to figure out if its worth keeping or just sending back, If you don't mind my asking why did you send yours in what was wrong with it? I am afraid to flash because if i don't like it then i can't return the tablet since the custom binary with have a counter. ugh. for the apps with choppy scrolling theres facebook and then residentevil.net mobile you have to search apps for it its in the play store then select dlc at the bottom. My phone scrolls just fine through that app but not the tablet with i don't know if its because my tablet is a newer version of android or what.
And your thing for the tf700 i wasn't understanding what you were saying, were you saying its worse than the nexus?
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Thanks for your response i have done a little reading nothing on the laggy scrolling and for gaming its hit and miss ass is the light bleeding. So im trying to figure out if its worth keeping or just sending back, If you don't mind my asking why did you send yours in what was wrong with it? I am afraid to flash because if i don't like it then i can't return the tablet since the custom binary with have a counter. ugh. for the apps with choppy scrolling theres facebook and then residentevil.net mobile you have to search apps for it its in the play store then select dlc at the bottom. My phone scrolls just fine through that app but not the tablet with i don't know if its because my tablet is a newer version of android or what.
And your thing for the tf700 i wasn't understanding what you were saying, were you saying its worse than the nexus?
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I sent mine back for Backlight bleed and Multi-Touch issues. More detailed information on that here.
I personally don't really use either of those apps, but i'll give it a whirl. The residentevil app could be a variety of issues, app related. Facebook on the other hand hasn't had a real great track record of making the fastest app, so it might be working well on your phone because it's just pushing it though. However thats all speculation, and not really a valid "answer". I'll be happy to test them out though.
The TF700 is something I could rant about for a long time, but basically it's slow when web browsing and downloading large files because of the internal memory ASUS decided to throw at it (for whatever reason) is slow and basically causes the tablet stop for short periods (a second or less, but annoying because they are so frequent). The 7 I went though also had light bleed worse than the N10 before I sent it back, screen lifting, and in one the power button just disappeared. Thanks to the Infinity, I still can't do returns at Best Buy for about another month.
So your no longer on a nexus 10? Also the xda premium
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No I've still got it, just received it back from Samsung's repair center.
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Just in general my tablet is running slowly and sluggish in apps. It runs just fine in the settings menu and while scrolling through my app drawer
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