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I'm trying to decided between the Galaxy Nexus and the Droid 4.
I'm assuming Droid4 and RAZR will have the same exact hardware and therefore be pretty much interchangeable ROM wise. Is this correct?
If that is the case I'm heavily leaning toward the Droid 4 but it depends on 2 things.
1. With the "removable back", the battery being accessible without removing glued on case components(just screws)
2. The developer support for the RAZR/Droid4 being sizable despite the locked bootloader.
Thoughts?
The developer support is still growing and I think we will be satisfied in the end. But is not a nexus though.
There are some things happening already, for example someone have been able too boot ICS.
Also the bootloader will be unlocked when Moto releases ICS.
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Also the bootloader will be unlocked when Moto releases ICS.
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This is confirmed officially even on Verizon? If so the Droid 4 wins me over hands down.
Natolx said:
This is confirmed officially even on Verizon? If so the Droid 4 wins me over hands down.
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No, I'm sorry didn't think of Veri.
Moto said that they would unlock the bootloader if the operator is okay with it. So it's up to Verizon, and what I have heard they probably won't allow it.
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No, I'm sorry didn't think of Veri.
Moto said that they would unlock the bootloader if the operator is okay with it. So it's up to Verizon, and what I have heard they probably won't allow it.
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After doing some brief research on this, I read that the unlock tool that is released with the ICS update abroad will "probably" allow developers to unlock the Verizon RAZR. Is this actually likely?
Natolx said:
After doing some brief research on this, I read that the unlock tool that is released with the ICS update abroad will "probably" allow developers to unlock the Verizon RAZR. Is this actually likely?
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Likely? Probably not, but it might be possible for a dev to reverse engineer or figure it out...
Lots of IFs, but with Safestrap out now and devs working on roms, after we get FXZ or SBF, we will have a great device with lots of options for ROMs.
1. IIRC, the Droid 4 will also lack a removable battery.
2. ICS might not be released until May or June. By then the Razr will be an "old" phone, so it might not really take off with developers if it does not build momentum in the next 2-3 months while it is still "new."
-but from the looks of it the development of the Razr seems to be really starting to take off.
3. In terms of user base, the one thing that really helped the Razr was the 1 cent Amazon Wireless deal. It was the top phone available on Verizon at the time, so I'm sure that built a good base of users- but maybe not the type of users who develop ROMs.
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1. IIRC, the Droid 4 will also lack a removable battery.
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The Droid 4, there is some question as to whether the phone will have a removable battery or not.
The test units were not sent with the case removal tool that was seen on the spec sheet that was released today.
I haven't seen a new confirmation on the removable battery yet, and Motorola never confirmed anything on this front.
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2. ICS might not be released until May or June. By then the Razr will be an "old" phone, so it might not really take off with developers if it does not build momentum in the next 2-3 months while it is still "new."
-but from the looks of it the development of the Razr seems to be really starting to take off.
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That is of course IF - and this is a big IF, the Razr's bootloader gets unlocked before that. And judging by what I have seen, it doesn't take that long if the phone is a flagship phone... Correct me if I am wrong
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That is of course IF - and this is a big IF, the Razr's bootloader gets unlocked before that. And judging by what I have seen, it doesn't take that long if the phone is a flagship phone... Correct me if I am wrong
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The boatloader won't get unlocked. You'll see a workaround, like a 2nd-init, or something along those lines, but Verizon won't allow unlocked boatloaders, and Motorola is going to comply with Verizon's desire to keep the boatloader in lockdown.
That won't stop development, and ASOP ROM's which is what Droid Th3ory is working on, an ASOP ICS port.
mhhh but the Atrix have unlocked bootloader, why only that moto have that luck?
Atrix is on at&t. The carrier designates whether the boatloader stays locked or not. It isn't moto's decision.
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Atrix is on at&t. The carrier designates whether the boatloader stays locked or not. It isn't moto's decision.
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Except for the Galaxy Nexus...
So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
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So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
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Very good question. Why don't you ask them? It would be interesting to hear their reply.
Well it looks like dev on this phone is dead!
I mean they have already released ICS 4.0.2 for the vzw GN and we ain't got **** yet!!
Looks like I'm going to have give this phone the wifey and go get me a GN.
Don't get me wrong I love the phone but no dev spt is a bummer!
...What are you talking about. The Nexus shipped with ICS in the first place, of course it got it before we did. And it got 4.0.2 update 2 hours later straight from Google. That has nothing to do with Dev support.
And naturally, since it's a Nexus device, it's gonna get ages more dev support than any other phone. But we are getting places ourselves. DroidTh3ory released RAZRX two days ago. He's working on ICS right now. We got Safestrap 2 days ago. Once we get the FXZ files we're probably going to get like 200x the support we're getting right now. Not to mention the Nexus' hardware which is composed of fantastic innards, but a plastic, easy-to-chip case, normal glass screen with minimal scratch resistance, & a weak radio.
It boggles me how you can say dev support is dead with all of the stuff that's LITERALLY happened in the past two days.
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So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
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I posted this somewhere else, there's really 2 reasons for this:
1) Google required that the Nexus come "open".
2) In the agreement to carry the phone, essentially Samsung & Google have taken over support for the phone, to the point where the contract, while through Verizon, is actually supported by Google, and therefore they can dictate the bootloader.
That's what I could gather from reading up on how the Nexus came to be a Verizon phone. There were some pretty heavy negotiations here, and Verizon didn't want Sprint to get the phone, and couldn't stand to have another Iphone/Att&t exclusive situation happen again.
Now, for Moto, they are already heavily tied to Verizon, and so they have no leverage for getting their devices to be released as open.
They even were first (I believe) to start saying they wanted open phones, back when the xoom was released. They made a statement that by late 2011 they were going to release all their phones with unlocked bootloaders like the xoom was......that didn't happen because Verizon threatened to pull the phones if they did that.
Verizon even forced HTC to remove it's bootloader unlock tool on the web, if I'm not mistaken.
So it's really not Moto's fault, it's Verizon's, and the Nexus is going to be the way it is because Google has control, not Verizon.
yeah except the nexus ships locked and is unlockable through adb.
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So what you're saying is we'll get a ICS Rom from developers long before any Verizon update to ICS.....right? Because waiting till June is absurd! This phone is just too friggin good to not get some attention......is my opin,anyway....
I believe that the 6 week deadline from the official release of ICS source code is nearing up. So, if Motorola is true to its word, we should hear soon about its plans about ICS. And I sure hope those plans include the X2... What is your take on this (I know this question was asked a million times before, but the charm of asking it for the million and oneth time is just something different! )
Come on Moto! Don't disappoint me!
I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414221
This post was saying someone recently looked it up. So far it's all the newest ones (ie. Bionic, Raze) and they'll "update" us later on the others they may add.
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
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When I was at Verizon on Monday the rep said our phone was a model on its way out. I personally think with moto rolling new phones and tablets out like crazy the X2 will be left behind.
Not to "Rock the Boat" but here is my views....
uhh hmm....
...We have a Droid x2 which was released May 26th 2011(if memory serves well). The device has been released for 7 months; halfway to a YEAR OLD! Now, with that said, I personally think that we WILL receive android 4.0. Due to the recent release of the Milestone x2, why would motorola release the device instead of pushing a different Milestone device? It currently OFFICIALLY supports 2.3.6 firmware and it was only released less than a month ago. So I think our chances are good to get it. Maybe not as soon as other devices, but EVENTUALLY we should get the release.
Call it false hopes or whatever may be, fact is MOTOROLA is a business. Why release a mirrored device(Milestone x2) if only to give 2 more updates? Along with the fact of hurting their image as a company with a dead device?
Next to this, I personally don't care!!! lol I personally think the x2 is a great device once you ROM it to whichever you want or at least debloat the stock. You don't even "need" the Init scripts if you are a casual user to keep the phone up to speed as of the 2.3.5 update for the Dx2. Once we got the 2.3.5 leak, I ran stock on my main phone for like a month as I progressed my ROM to that firmware. We as the x2 community are getting more development done now than we have in the past; regardless of what others think. Yes, the development seems slow, but how many devs do you see working on this device?
This isn't an argument about mods or ROMs, but we have some nice devs working on this phone. Next to that, "who needs ICS?" I imagine it will be faster, smoother, cooler than GB. But after 2 months have passed, users will start to complain that JellyBean(<<<<Thats the 5.0 or w/e firmware) isn't coming quick enough.
In the end, we are "stuck" with this phone regardless of leaks, mods, or updates. Enjoy what you have and hopefully someone will come along and give us what we want.
-Peperm1nt
I could care less if we ever get ics. Some people always want the next big thing which always has issues when first releases.
As for the milestone x2 sprint just dropped the lg optimus s and straight talk picked it up as the lg optimus precedent. Same phone. Smaller carriers always get devices or a version of the later after they are on the way out the big boys lineup. Milestone x2 are probably what Verizon didn't want from moto when the decided to drop the line. Its not really up to moto what updates we get its more up to Verizon to give it the ok. If the store I went to is correct and Verizon is dropping the device Verizon wont push anymore updates our way. Just saying
(This is just my opinion)
Im perfectly happy with the x2 and I am thankful for the devs we have. I donate when I can afford it and hope even though some of them have other devices will continue to help the x2 with smoother and smoother gb roms.
Thanks!
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+1 to motcher
I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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Im no dev either but past experience on other devices. With a new kernel from moto to have it ramped up or an unlocked bootloader I think ics would not be quick. It would be laggy and severely lower performance. If you wanna port it I think best you'll get to run good as a lite version of ics. Droid eris has gb but its not complete. Devs had to remove parts to make it runnable since the device specs were just not made for it. Kinda like our 512mb of ram....bonehead move by moto.
Hell I have windows 7 on my netbook which was designed for xp....same deal as ics on a phone made to run gb really well. It might run but its not gonna be awesome just like 7 on my netbook. In my opinion.
I just hope mastafunk and the crew have success in get cm running. That's our future on this phone.
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Motorola wont officially update DX2 to ICS, there will probably be a leaked version (which will be awesome for the devs), but they wont update it to ICS due to "inadequate hardware." That statement isn't necessarily false either. While AOSP ICS wont. Have any problem running on only 512mb of RAM, what wont run on 512mb of RAM is AOSP ICS and MOTOBLOAT
So the d3 wont receive ICS? I think its more than enough to run ICS at AOSP, and with BLUR, I'm sure it would suffice. Our phone runs really smooth with a stock 2.3.5 build. RAM has "no effect" on a linux kernel. The way it is designed you SHOULD only have 20mb or so of RAM available to get the "speed" of quickload of different apps. Apps always run in the background once they are loaded and when the foreground app calls for resources it "locks" apps out of RAM and freezes an image to memory for a load when the foreground app closes or enough space opens in the RAM and then resumes the process. The "lag" comes from too many apps calling for resources at a time, that is why you have redraws and that is also why Moto put the task manager app to kill processes after 2 minutes of idle.
When ever Motorola starts pushing the ICS update for the xoom is most likely when we would get the notice of our phone getting it or not only because the fact that the xoom is using the same hardware that the x2 is using but just a different kernel and ram, I am hoping for the update tho so we can finally us our dual core processor properly since gingerbread limits this
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
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I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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cheesebeard said:
It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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Ibolski has a point I think the other manufacturers just told Verizon to go f*** themselves and unlocked them. After all isn't on the verge of being illegal to lock us out. After all there is nothing illegal about doing anything we want to our phones. They are in essence not allowing us full ownership of our paid for devices
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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never thought of it that way.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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I recently signed a petition on Change.org about Verizon's 2$ charge. And Verizon backed off (oh no! Correlation != Causation!) . Hmm... so what about a similar petition addressing Verizon/Moto.. I know it is laughable, but majority of Verizon customers must be Moto customers as most high end Verizon devices are Moto's. Sooo... what say? Can't hurt.
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
I have a Droid Charge with unlocked bootloader and it still gets no development. I still thoroughly enjoy the phone though. Of the phones on the market, the razr is the one I like best. Moto knows how to make a smooth fast phone with great reception.
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
You should do a side by side comparison of the RAZR next to any other phone... that's what I did before buying my RAZR... I like having a removable SD card and HDMI out... the battery could sway you but I think with the maxx coming out someone will produce an after market cover, after all the battery isn't soldered in like the iphone is... I personally love the quality of Motorola phones... as far as development goes, I wouldn't let the locked bootloader get to you, I had my DroidX for 2 years with a locked bootloader and I still had quite a few roms to flash, doesn't anyone remember 2nd init? I'm sure the RAZR devs will find a way around the stupid bootloader... in the meantime everyone get into operation mosh, and let big red and Motorola know we mean business... I love my RAZR, I personally have a lot of faith in this product, I'm actually looking into learning how to develop for android just because I want to help anyone who takes up the torch to develop for this awesome device
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Can I ask what eclipse is? I'm kind of having the same feelings as the OP. I'm looking for a reason to keep my razr, but some of the other devices are calling for me.
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Semseddin said:
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
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The only thing the locked bootloader prevents different kennels from being used. There are two or three roms out now plus a deodexed or two that you install with the bootstrap.
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I can tell you this. I tried out the Nexus for about a week, and took it back. While I LOVE ICS, the phone itself SUCKS. Esp next to the Razr. Slower, horrible battery life, cheap feel, lackluster camera...I could go on and on. I am pissed off too but it is still the best option out there so far.
Sorry for this extremely newb question. This is my first dabble in the Android world, I've always been an iPhone user since moving from dumb to smart phone.
I've been using the Arctic ROM for last couple of weeks and the latest version makes me never want to go back to the stock Rogers ROM. Now here's the question - given that even without an unlocked bootloader, one can still relatively easily flash a new ROM using CWM, what's this big deal about unlocked bootloader. Also what's special about this ever so elusive custom kernel that has been mentioned?
One of the biggest problems I'm seeing with the locked BL bs is that it appears to be scaring away developers who would rather go the easier route and develop on a unlocked machine. Yea you might get it to work on the Razr but it takes steps A-B-C-D-E and who knows how much more for the devs to get it working as opposed to A and B with a ULBL. Look around...we've got very very little in the way of development or ROMS....
If ROM'ing is really important to you, you really ought to get a GNex. Even if the bootloader does get unlocked (which is up in the air, since Moto's broken that promise in the past), there will be far more development for the GNex.
I got the RAZR for the killer hardware and the smooth user experience. I don't know that I'll ROM this even if they do unlock the bootloader, and I was a ROM junkie on my OG Droid.
ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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I pray that you are right. Though I love this phone more than any other phone I've had before (HD2, HD7, Sensation, G2X, Bionic), it's killing me that I can't mess around with it. I paid top dollar for this prostitute. And I want to do whatever I feel like to her, regardless of what her pimp says.
Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Sorry, I have no info on that.
the xoom already had an unlocked bootloader from the last update from what I can tell as on the motodev website, there is a file to relock it if needed
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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That is correct, no BS on my end because I have no reason to make something like that up. I was contacted and it doesnt mean its going to gappen right away.
Sporttster said:
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
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Best price including shipment to Malaysia?
Not sure if this was already posted so please excuse me if it has been
http://www.techspot.com/news/48390-t-mobile-verizon-android-40-upgrade-schedules-leaked.html
I'll believe it when I wake up one morning and see it. Until then I'm not holding my breath and quite frankly I don't give two ****s about it anymore. I might get enthused about Android again if they unlock the boot loader with the ICS update but I know that won't happen.
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good find! Now for XT910 news?
" might get enthused about Android again if they unlock the boot loader"
That's not Androids issue, that would be Motorola. My HTC Incredible was unlocked days after they released it. We are waiting on Motorola to remove the stick from their corporate asses and just unlock it. I think I heard they "might" unlock with ICS. That's where I'll hold my breath.
yeah it was already posted but got lost somehow..
Yeah.. I know the problem is Moto. I had loads of fun with my D1. Awesome phone. Then came to the Razr. Love everything about it except Moto's got it so chained down. This thing has so much potential but no one's going to develop for it and if they do open it up there's going to to be way better stuff out there by then.
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Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
Google doesn't have live phone support....wtf
Emailing them I guess
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I will back you up 100% on this because I'm sick of being pushed around by Verizon and I really want to switch my carrier but ofcourse motorola has to stick it to me. Any reply from google yet?
No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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RoyJ said:
No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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the bootloader is part of the hardware, so petitioning google isnt going to do anything, you guys need to keep up with moto-rizon, not google
Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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google is all for unlocked bootloaders & development from 3rd party, so imho moto is feeding you bull****, bro
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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bro, no disrespect and sorry if I made it seem that way. Google has acquired Motorola, but they're keeping their noses out of that. they just purchased Motorola for their patents.
and sorry I don't really have any sources right now, but let me see if I can look up some after work or in the next few days.
Hopefully someone'll come in here and see that and then back me up or you, I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read from other members in this forum, also I've read it on twitter through the major android forums and such.
Google doesn't control bootloaders its that simple. Bootloader is controlled by the manufacturer and or provider. Samsung and HTC have allowed unlocked bootloaders for various devices this should disprove the moto rep. You should look outside this forum for info and should never listen to a phone jockey who gets paid to make moto look good.
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AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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It's likely that it has more to do with forcing people to use the moto/verizon software. Don't listen to any of the reasons they give.
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Gross
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Moto can unlock bootloaders. Don't believe their garbage. Google has absolutely nothing to do with this. You either spoke to a misinformed employee who really shouldn't be spreading false information or they just don't want to be bothered with the bootloader thing. I've stated before in other threads that moto has a terrible business ethic, all I've heard from them are lies if you even hear from them at all. I won't be supporting their company in the future by purchasing moto products. I've had a very disappointing experience with this phone and the lack of support that moto and Verizon have given. I've had this phone for a year now and I'm still stuck with it until February. Frankly, that's depressing to think about. It's unfortunate that moto deals with their customers this way. If it weren't for the consumer buying their products their company obviously wouldn't exist. Why wouldn't they listen to customer concerns instead of acting like a two year old and ignoring every one of is. I guess what I'm getting at is that given the information we need to make a decision about whether or not this company is worth supporting or even worth the time petitioning when they won't budge for customer interest.
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Google doesnt control all the software for all devices. Theres a reason why Motorola has blur, HTC has sense and Samsung has touchwiz. Each company takes the open source software made by Google and makes it their own. Just like how all our ROMs are built. Developers take whats already made and tweak it. The only Android Software that is all Google is the phone they first release with the latest software on it, which has been the nexus series. Google doesnt control how the phones are made or how the software is developed for it. The locked bootloader is all motorola and verizons fault.
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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RoyJ said:
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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It is a blame game dude... I tried the lot Refer to one of my old threads in this section, about filing a BBB complaint against Moto. I called Verizon, and they said that they have nothing to do with the software and that it is something Motorola has to deal with. Then, I called Motorola, and they said that they have no intentions of doing any unlocking and I think they also put blame on the carrier, saying that if carrier permits, they will do so... And I believe I was answered by the Motorola Corporate Office and so what I was told must be authoritative... If not, then Moto is a ****ty AND shady company that you would rather not do business with...
And as far as I know and can tell, Google has nothing to do with anything here... It is either Motorola OR Verizon's fault. And I believe they are just making you run around like nuts... My advice (sadly) is to man up, ditch the Motorola phone as soon as you can, financially AND then flip 'em off for satisfaction (may be email customer support, or they call center and rant saying how they lost another customer) and never look behind. I AM NOT joking... This is possibly the fastest and best way you can move on to a better phone. There is no point trying to do anything with Motorola as of now...
One of the XDA members told me something that made the most sense... Moto manufactures their phones with the bootloader locked, and so no service provider will willfully ask them to remove said "protection" and so, the whole unlocking conversation never occurs and so the bootloader remains locked. Moto also obviously doesn't push for it... I don't remember the whole argument, but it made sense then. I'll update this when I find that post or recollect the argument... Bottom line, you are going to waste a lot of time, just like I did...