Looks like ASUS has some work to do with the Prime dock, just like they had with the original Transformer. Short story: my Prime does not enter deep sleep when docked (with the setting on to disable waking via keyboard, a.k.a., MobileDock battery saving mode is checked).
When not docked, I can get as low as .25%/hour battery use, and CPU Spy shows the unit mostly in deep sleep. When docked, I get between 1.5%-2%/hour battery use, and CPU Spy shows zero time in deep sleep.
Anybody getting a different result? While standby is better with the Prime+dock than my original Transformer, it still doesn't seem to be where it should be.
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Looks like ASUS has some work to do with the Prime dock, just like they had with the original Transformer. Short story: my Prime does not enter deep sleep when docked (with the setting on to disable waking via keyboard).
When not docked, I can get as low as .25%/hour battery use, and CPU Spy shows the unit mostly in deep sleep. When docked, I get between 1.5%-2%/hour battery use, and CPU Spy shows zero time in deep sleep.
Anybody getting a different result? While standby is better with the Prime+dock than my original Transformer, it still doesn't seem to be where it should be.
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Under Asus Customized settings did you check MobileDock Battery saving mode? That might be the cause.
Edit: Nvm didnt get your first sentence till i read it again, if thats not the case then idk... sorry
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Under Asus Customized settings did you check MobileDock Battery saving mode? That might be the cause.
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Yes, a.k.a., "the setting to disable waking via keyboard." And, I can verify that the keyboard does NOT wake the device.
Curious
This might explain my problem too. I plugged my prime into the dock (after ensuring the wake up) and my battery was drained much faster than expected. Ill have to check my CPU usage when I get home.
my dock is waiting on my doorstep...i'll test tonight.
Oh, and how bout those battery stats?
i can confirm i get the same results.
also one setting that needs to be de-coupled is the keep wifi activated while plugged in.
if you turn that on wifi will never shut off when docked, the ATP sees being docked the same as being "plugged in" and keeps wifi enabled forever.
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i can confirm i get the same results.
also one setting that needs to be de-coupled is the keep wifi activated while plugged in.
if you turn that on wifi will never shut off when docked, the ATP sees being docked the same as being "plugged in" and keeps wifi enabled forever.
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I wonder if that alone is enough to account for the extra battery drain? Guess op may have already had that off though.
Where are you all getting your docks from? I want one, but cant find it anywhere
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I wonder if that alone is enough to account for the extra battery drain? Guess op may have already had that off though.
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I have wifi at the default setting (which is to keep wifi on during sleep) because I've been getting such good standby performance. Apparently wifi being on does NOT stop the device from entering deep sleep.
Incidentally, I do wonder what "deep sleep" means on the Prime given the companion core. I know that I still receive email and other notifications while on standby and deep sleep, so maybe the companion core is still running even when Android considers the device to be in its "deep sleep" mode.
Kind of busy and need to think more about that, actually...
My dock is down to 29% with most of the day of non use.
How do you turn off the wifi when docked but in sleep? Can't seem to find the setting for that.
Also, another newbie question, does the lock key (upper right key) on the dock serve the same function as the power key on the tablet?
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i can confirm this now. I'm down to 89% after 6 hours of basically idle, wifi set to always on. Without the dock i would have been in the mid 90's, all things being equal.
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How do you turn off the wifi when docked but in sleep? Can't seem to find the setting for that.
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there isn't a setting, my earlier comment was directed towards asus, sorry. they need to provide us an option for that. i have gotten into the habit of just shutting wifi off when it's docked and i'm not using it :/
Is anyone else also not receiving notifications when you're docked and closed? If i leave it open (but locked) i seem to still get notifications.
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Is anyone else also not receiving notifications when you're docked and closed? If i leave it open (but locked) i seem to still get notifications.
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I can hear my e-mail notifications when it's docked and closed.
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Is anyone else also not receiving notifications when you're docked and closed? If i leave it open (but locked) i seem to still get notifications.
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I hear notifications as well when docked and closed. Woke up my wife once cause I forgot to silence the thing .
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I hear notifications as well when docked and closed. Woke up my wife once cause I forgot to silence the thing .
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well i discovered for some reason the speaker had stopped outputting any sound. a reboot fixed it.
I'm reforming my opinion on the battery issue though...the dock inherently uses some battery, and at the same time CPU Spy seems to think deep sleep is behaving normally. I'm guessing with normal usage i will be getting an extra 4 hours or so with the dock...definitely an improvement, but the end result is a little difficult to predict when you're watching those batteries drain while one is recharging the other...
i think as long as you're getting an acceptable (ie, within advertised range) extension of battery life from the dock, i'm not going to look at it too closely.
If i didn't see any time spent in deep sleep, then i might be more concerned.
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well i discovered for some reason the speaker had stopped outputting any sound. a reboot fixed it.
I'm reforming my opinion on the battery issue though...the dock inherently uses some battery, and at the same time CPU Spy seems to think deep sleep is behaving normally. I'm guessing with normal usage i will be getting an extra 4 hours or so with the dock...definitely an improvement, but the end result is a little difficult to predict when you're watching those batteries drain while one is recharging the other...
i think as long as you're getting an acceptable (ie, within advertised range) extension of battery life from the dock, i'm not going to look at it too closely.
If i didn't see any time spent in deep sleep, then i might be more concerned.
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Well, hmm... Seems like since ICS mine is now going into deep sleep as well. Hadn't checked, but mine was docked but closed (and asleep) almost all day today. CPU Spy shows it having been in deep sleep 73% of the time, which certainly seems right.
I'm still getting about 1.5%/hour on standby when docked, but then again it's keeping updated with emails, Twitter, calendar events, etc., with audible notifications. So, that's actually pretty good, all considered.
I unplugged at 100% dock and tablet power this morning a little bit before 7. wi-fi has been off all day and i haven't used it at all. at 6pm tonight, 11 hours after unplugging, the dock is at 100% and tablet at 99%.
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I unplugged at 100% dock and tablet power this morning a little bit before 7. wi-fi has been off all day and i haven't used it at all. at 6pm tonight, 11 hours after unplugging, the dock is at 100% and tablet at 99%.
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That thing was hibernating like a grizzly bear.
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Don't mean to steal the thread but where are you getting the docks from?
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Hadn't used my dock for a couple of days and plugged in my Prime tonight to see how the dock held its charge. I was impressed to see the dock at 98%, which is right where I had left it. That's about perfect.
Just thought I'd make note of a significant positive.
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Great findings can't wait for arrival of my dock
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build quality on my dock sucked. the small screws in the bottom holding it all together werent flush, im returning it tomorrow and asking for a replacment, other than that its awesome!
may I note that when the prime is docked it does not go into deep sleep thus reducing the total battery life if you kept the 2 seperate...
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may I note that when the prime is docked it does not go into deep sleep thus reducing the total battery life if you kept the 2 seperate...
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Yes, that's something that ASUS needs to resolve. I get about 1.5%/hour usage when the Prime is docked and closed (and thus on standby), vs. about .25%/hour on standby for the tablet by itself.
That's better than what I get with my original Transformer when it's docked, which is closer to 2.5%/hour usage. But, it would be great if ASUS can figure out a way for the dock to not stop the tablet from entering deep sleep.
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may I note that when the prime is docked it does not go into deep sleep thus reducing the total battery life if you kept the 2 seperate...
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that's very disappointing to hear actually...
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that's very disappointing to hear actually...
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I don't see it as that much of a problem. If there's truly something about the dock that makes deep sleep on the tablet impossible (I have no idea if there is or not, and it really does remain to be seen), it's not an unreasonable solution to simply store them separately. Even carrying them separately isn't a problem, really.
I do hope that ASUS can enable deep sleep when docked, but if they can't it doesn't really reduce the usefulness of the dock for me. In fact, I use my tablet by itself the majority of the time in any case and thus tend to keep the two separate.
The fact that the dock maintains its charge when undocked is far more important to me, and it does that quite well.
Just a guess but I would assume it doesn't enter deep sleep because it will turn on the screen when you open it. If it is docked and you close it, the screen shuts off but it still needs to monitor the dock to see if you open it again. It would be nice to have an option to have it conserve power (as if it isn't docked) and you have to manually turn the screen on again.
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I don't see it as that much of a problem. If there's truly something about the dock that makes deep sleep on the tablet impossible (I have no idea if there is or not, and it really does remain to be seen), it's not an unreasonable solution to simply store them separately. Even carrying them separately isn't a problem, really.
I do hope that ASUS can enable deep sleep when docked, but if they can't it doesn't really reduce the usefulness of the dock for me. In fact, I use my tablet by itself the majority of the time in any case and thus tend to keep the two separate.
The fact that the dock maintains its charge when undocked is far more important to me, and it does that quite well.
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I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but one of the attractions of the dock is to make a clamshell shape that will protect the tablet and keys during transport. sucks if it will drain the battery whenever you want to take it somewhere.
Mine does go into deep sleep, make sure in asus customized setting you put it in battery facet dock mode, then the keyboard doesn't wake the tab.
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Mine does go into deep sleep, make sure in asus customized setting you put it in battery facet dock mode, then the keyboard doesn't wake the tab.
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I didn't know that. Very helpful, I'll check that
I have something setup wrong because my tablet sucks my dock dry in about 3 hours in use - it just never stops pulling the charge from the dock. I only let them sleep together once and it was a disaster ......dock was drained, tablets had rebooted I suppose because it was in some sort of different "mode", it still had life, but it was alien like life!
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Mine does go into deep sleep, make sure in asus customized setting you put it in battery facet dock mode, then the keyboard doesn't wake the tab.
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Is that the last setting in that section? I have that box checked.
Hmmm, I don't know then. What is your wifi sleep Policy?
My wifi is set to never.
I last charged my tab on thursday night, its between mostly idle since then(like 3 hours total use since then) still have 77% on tab and 37% dock.
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I'd been wondering how well it would hold a charge while docked, so last night I fully charged both the tablet and dock then left it closed from midnight (UK time.)
It sat on my desk like that until I got home from work at 17:15 this evening, opened it up and the dock was showing 99% and the prime 98% full charge.
I've not changed any of the power settings or docked settings yet, so that's running out of the box (post updates of course.)
Of course it's possible the battery indicator isn't accurately reflecting the amount of charge it's used, but based on those numbers it doesn't seem to be a problem.
Somewhat anecdotal evidence, I'll test it out a bit further this week and see if its actually entering deep sleep (presumably it is.)
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Somewhat anecdotal evidence, I'll test it out a bit further this week and see if its actually entering deep sleep (presumably it is.)
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This has been my experience as well. The dock does not seem to keep the screen any more awake than when they are not connected. I do love how the screen automatically comes up when you open it and turns off when you close it.
Man I love the two of these things together.
I have the Asus setting checked but my tab is like a vampire and sucks the dock battery dry in just a few hours time. There needs to be a deep sleep setting. It isn't really practical for me to disconnect the dock every time I stop using it. That takes away a good part of the portability aspect.
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I have the Asus setting checked but my tab is like a vampire and sucks the dock battery dry in just a few hours time. There needs to be a deep sleep setting. It isn't really practical for me to disconnect the dock every time I stop using it. That takes away a good part of the portability aspect.
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Do you mean when the Prime is completely charged (which is what this thread is about) or when the dock is charging the Prime? Because the dock battery IS smaller than the Prime's, and thus it will certainly discharge at a faster rate when charging the Prime's battery (until it runs out, of course).
Indeed, the dock shouldn't discharge AT ALL until the Prime is at 70% or less. So, if your Prime is 100% charged and it still sucks the dock battery dry in a few hours, then you're experiencing some other problem.
Again, this is about the Prime and dock both being at 100%, and whether or not the Prime enters deep sleep. It's not about the impact on the dock battery when the dock is actually charging the Prime from a less-than-70% state.
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I have the Asus setting checked but my tab is like a vampire and sucks the dock battery dry in just a few hours time. There needs to be a deep sleep setting. It isn't really practical for me to disconnect the dock every time I stop using it. That takes away a good part of the portability aspect.
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I think we have the same dock exactly what happens to me. I am assuming user error, a setting i don't have rught, but I'm not sure where else to check. My wifi is set t to never.
slugbug2010 said:
I think we have the same dock exactly what happens to me. I am assuming user error, a setting i don't have rught, but I'm not sure where else to check. My wifi is set t to never.
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As I said in the post just before yours, if your Prime is at 70% or less, your dock will charge it which will definitely discharge the dock pretty quickly. If your Prime is at 100%, then it shouldn't be discharging the dock at all. If it is, then something's broken.
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Do you mean when the Prime is completely charged (which is what this thread is about) or when the dock is charging the Prime? Because the dock battery IS smaller than the Prime's, and thus it will certainly discharge at a faster rate when charging the Prime's battery (until it runs out, of course).
Indeed, the dock shouldn't discharge AT ALL until the Prime is at 70% or less. So, if your Prime is 100% charged and it still sucks the dock battery dry in a few hours, then you're experiencing some other problem.
Again, this is about the Prime and dock both being at 100%, and whether or not the Prime enters deep sleep. It's not about the impact on the dock battery when the dock is actually charging the Prime from a less-than-70% state.
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Yes, from 100%.
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As I said in the post just before yours, if your Prime is at 70% or less, your dock will charge it which will definitely discharge the dock pretty quickly. If your Prime is at 100%, then it shouldn't be discharging the dock at all. If it is, then something's broken.
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Would there be log file that might shed light, like logcat or something? I don't know enough about this, I'm asking. I do know how to grab logs.
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Hey guys i tried looking through for a bit and didnt find much on this...how is your TFP`s battery life? I`M not too happy to be honest, for instance today my battery is at 20% been on for 6 1/2 hours and havnt really done anything too intensive, mostly just web browsing and downloading apps, played a game for about 5 minutes. My touchpad seemed to get similar if not better battery life... anyone notice this too?
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Man, I have to try to kill the battery in a full days time. And that was before I got the keyboard.
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Man, I have to try to kill the battery in a full days time. And that was before I got the keyboard.
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I wish, I am at 3% and 7hrs 20m ...this really isnt good at all, brightness is at 50% ..any suggestions? I feel like i should be getting another 2 hours out of this.
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jb9217a said:
I wish, I am at 3% and 7hrs 20m ...this really isnt good at all, brightness is at 50% ..any suggestions? I feel like i should be getting another 2 hours out of this.
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It really depends on your setting, or how you use it... but saying that..
it isn't as "good" as Asus advertised, nor some other media/blogs have reported from their "hurried" interviews.
ICS update probably has something to do as well... I really don't think Asus and Nvidia has fully worked out Tegra 3 with ICS yet.
I think in normal use the processor is kept at too high a frequency. I rebooted about an hour ago, and since then mine has spent well over half the time at 1200MHz. Given what I've been doing, that seems like overkill. I think ASUS is still tweaking the power profiles, which might account for the apparent variation between revisions.
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plus wifi is a major killer if its set to ON while sleeping, or screen off. when i have wifi off, it lasts much longer
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I've been satisfied with battery life, not that I've timed it.
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I've timed it several times. Its your settings. I get longer than what you posted on my 1.6Ghz vipercontrol overclock. Stock settings easily get 9 or more hours. I always have my brightness low as its bright enough. Having it at 50% or more is a waste unless you outside LR have bad vision. At night I know you can't be having brightness up like that or you'll hurt your eyes looking St that bright screen. DISPLAY BRIGHTNESS is the biggest drainer of battery. Along with web surfing, watching flash videos, or streaming movies. If you doing all that, maybe use power savings mode instead. You can still surf web n all that with no problems plus battery will last even longer.
For me, my prime easily gets Asus advertised battery life n more sometimes. If I can run a 1.6Ghz overclock n get better than what y'all posted then you need to adjust your settings.
As with all battery life situations on Android, make sure you pay attention to the following:
Screen timeout, make sure the screen does not stay on for long when you are not using the device.
Look at your applications that schedule background tasks and auto synchronizations as well as the sync settings in your Accounts & Sync. Don't sync data that does not need to be sync'ed.
Use the balanced performance mode most of the time.
Turn off features that you do not need, such as GPS or bluetooth, if you are not using them.
Under developer options turn off 'animation scale' settings. This will make moving around menus more snappy since there's no transition time and it also saves a little bit processing power if you move around in Android menus a lot.
If you do not use WiFi, keep it off or at least turn off available network notifications so it would not constantly search for them.
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[*]Under developer options turn off 'animation scale' settings. This will make moving around menus more snappy since there's no transition time and it also saves a little bit processing power if you move around in Android menus a lot.
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On ICS it should be done by GPU, so I think it will affect battery life very, very little.
My concern is more about the keyboard/dock battery life.
It seems to drain a lot faster than the tablet and it never stays long at 100% ; always fall to 99 or 98% although the tablet is not under 90% yet.
I wonder if this is because I first charged the dock alone instead of charging it with the tablet on it.
Anybody sharing these feelings with me ?
I would say the reason is that dock always charges the tablet. I've also notified that dock's battery is empty in the morning if I left tablet and dock together during a night.
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My concern is more about the keyboard/dock battery life.
It seems to drain a lot faster than the tablet and it never stays long at 100% ; always fall to 99 or 98% although the tablet is not under 90% yet.
I wonder if this is because I first charged the dock alone instead of charging it with the tablet on it.
Anybody sharing these feelings with me ?
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Please use search, the 98%-99% thing has been discussed and asked over and over again for ages. Your battery never stays at 100%, neither the tablet or the dock.
Once battery reaches 100%, it stops being charged, otherwise it can damage the battery.
Dock battery discharges quicker because the dock battery is smaller than the tablet battery. The dock does not 'double' the battery life.
As of TF201 (differently from original TF101), dock starts charging the tablet once tablet falls near 70%. This makes sure that battery on the tablet (and dock) are used more efficiently and lasts longer (it goes through less cycles in the end). While this means that dock does not keep tablet at 100% all the time (so you can remove the tablet at 100% always), it does mean that battery life will not diminish as quick as before and you're prone to less hardware problems in battery in the long run.
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I wish, I am at 3% and 7hrs 20m ...this really isnt good at all, brightness is at 50% ..any suggestions? I feel like i should be getting another 2 hours out of this.
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The 50% brightness is most likely why you are seeing lower than expected battery life. Also, you should be in power saving mode if you are wanting to extend the battery as long as possible.
ASUS claims the Prime's battery lasts 12 hours using the following criteria: "Battery life tested under power saving mode, playing 720p video playback, Brightness:60nits, default volume with headphones."
http://usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
Not sure what 60nits corresponds to on the brightness selector but I am assuming it is low.
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The 50% brightness is most likely why you are seeing lower than expected battery life. Also, you should be in power saving mode if you are wanting to extend the battery as long as possible.
ASUS claims the Prime's battery lasts 12 hours using the following criteria: "Battery life tested under power saving mode, playing 720p video playback, Brightness:60nits, default volume with headphones."
http://usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
Not sure what 60nits corresponds to on the brightness selector but I am assuming it is low.
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Yeah , 60 nits is very low, especially since prime Max brightness is significantly way higher than that. Like 380 nits(unit of measurement for brightness) or more. BRIGHTEST tablet/display on the market today.
After posting last night I messed with YouTube and browsed for about an hour and only lost about 5% or so. Seems good to me.
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Please use search, the 98%-99% thing has been discussed and asked over and over again for ages. Your battery never stays at 100%, neither the tablet or the dock.
Once battery reaches 100%, it stops being charged, otherwise it can damage the battery.
Dock battery discharges quicker because the dock battery is smaller than the tablet battery. The dock does not 'double' the battery life.
As of TF201 (differently from original TF101), dock starts charging the tablet once tablet falls near 70%. This makes sure that battery on the tablet (and dock) are used more efficiently and lasts longer (it goes through less cycles in the end). While this means that dock does not keep tablet at 100% all the time (so you can remove the tablet at 100% always), it does mean that battery life will not diminish as quick as before and you're prone to less hardware problems in battery in the long run.
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Sorry, I red and searched a lot already in this forum but I missed that.
Just didn't think there was such a gap between a 22Wh battery and a 25Wh one. Thank you for your answer.
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Sorry, I red and searched a lot already in this forum but I missed that.
Just didn't think there was such a gap between a 22Wh battery and a 25Wh one. Thank you for your answer.
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I've noticed on both the Prime and my original Transformer that the dock battery does seem to discharge more quickly than expected when charging the Prime. It's not directly proportionate, I don't think, i.e., 22Wh is about 10% less than 25Wh, but I don't think the dock only discharges 10% faster when charging the Prime.
I think there's something about the charging process that makes it less efficient than simply powering the unit. Perhaps some power experts can chime in here and explain it... Certainly, I've noticed that charging the Prime from 70% to 100% can just about completely discharge the dock.
I've noticed the dock discharging faster if it's plugged into my usb port in my PC. I think the media mount takes more power than I thought it would.
When not connected to my PC through usb, the battery life is pretty long when doing regular web browsing and video watching.
Playing games obviously causes the battery to drain faster. Also the brightness also has a large affect on my overall battery life.
As others have said, turning off wifi when you're not using it will massively extend the battery life.
Maybe someone can give some input about the following:
At work we have an iPad 1 and I've been monitoring it's battry drain in standby last week:
Full 6 days standby, with Wifi ON and not used in meantime:
battery went from 58% to 54%.
With my prime I get 2-4% during 1 night!
And that's even with Wifi turned OFF and docked (auto airplane mode app)
The dock looses about 1-2% each night
Why does the iPad have such crazy battery life in standby mode + wifi on? Is it all about good written software (iOS, drivers and apps)? Or is it hardware related? Or both?
In other words: will it ever be possible for an Android tablet to get such great standby time when ICS get more mature? Or is it already possible on other devices and lays the problem within hardware/drivers from Asus?
I really dislike having to use auto airplane mode, because I sometimes have to wait 5-10 second for wifi to get connected and ready. But with wifi turned on, the standby drain is even greater.
This didn't need its own thread. Should have posted it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1534039
you might have some wakelocks
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use better batter stats to see what's causing your issue. I get great standby battery life + wifi on. plus 2% drain isn't bad at all in one night. my prime can easily get over 20hrs. on a charge with off and on usage. I get about 10hrs. or so with moderate to heavy usage. about 9hrs. real heavy usage. battery life dependent on several factors. as far as standby goes, like the other poster said, you are experiencing system or partial wakelocks. cutting down the frequency of updates can help or solve this. everytime you asleep and device goes off from a notification, its woke up out of sleep. then eventually goes back to sleep. this is a repeated cycle which causes extra battery drain during sleep. because device never gets a chance to sleep long because its always being disturbed by notifications constantly going off.
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I know that my 2% idle drain is quite good regarding to current prime and firmware/drivers, but how can a 2% drain in 8-10 hours be good when the iPad drains only 4% in 6 days (that's 144 hours!!) ?
The difference is HUGE, so that's why I wondered if it's bad coding in Android, drivers, Apps or maybe the used hardware that consumes just quite a lot more than iPad. Is 2% also common with other andoid tablets?
And if it's really software related: can and will it ever be fixed or at least reduced?
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When in standby my prime is always in "deep sleep" and I don't see any interuptions. But I sure will try better battery app.
Then again: this is all with wifi off and iPad had default settings with wifi on and still consumes way less
My ipad 1 have a great standby time too, comparing it to my Prime, My iphone 3gs has great standby time to comparing to my Galaxy Note. BUT it is too bad I didn't buy those stuff to be there looking pretty, I bought them to be able to USE them. If my stuff stays on standby a lot of time, seems like I really don't need it.
On my home network, I get about .3%/hour battery use on standby. I have wifi configured to stay on when the screen is off, and I have a number of apps that synchronize in the background (gReader, TweetCaster, email (X2 accounts), Gmail, a tasks app, calendar, etc.).
The worst standby that I get is on my work network, where I get between .5%/hour and 1%/hour. I believe it's something to do with the router at work, which also causes problems with my HP Envy 14 notebook. Note that the difference in standby life is absolutely consistent and quantifiable.
At .3%/hour, my Prime would last for 333 hours. At .5%/hour, my Prime would last for 200 hours. Worst case scenario is that at 1%/hour, my Prime would last for 100 hours.
Quite honestly, I'll take a Prime that lasts between 100 and 333 hours on standby while running all sorts of useful background tasks over an iPad that last for however long while running few if any background tasks. My Prime is more USEFUL to me that way.
And, even if the iPad runs the same sorts of background tasks that I've described here, 100 to 333 hours of standby is perfectly fine. Is it as good as an iPad? Clearly, not, in this case. But even so, it's also a distinction without much meaning.
why is it that all these people make ****ing mac/ios based threads?
serious if you don't like what you have bought... G T F O
p.s. stop the trolls ok? ipad ****ing sucks and what you claim is total bull**** anyway. 4% in 6days with wifi on dreams are there to be made.
fact: use that ****ty ipad turn on wifi and use it for 6-8 hours.
OMFG WHAT JUST HAPPEND? oh gaws....
now try with the prime
profit.
<edit>the topic of your thread... serious... your talking about 2 devices not even the actual software.. dip****</edit>
/end rage
Even if your using really clear, hard to see, mono filament, trolling is still trolling.
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Maybe someone can give some input about the following:
At work we have an iPad 1 and I've been monitoring it's battry drain in standby last week:
Full 6 days standby, with Wifi ON and not used in meantime:
battery went from 58% to 54%.
With my prime I get 2-4% during 1 night!
And that's even with Wifi turned OFF and docked (auto airplane mode app)
The dock looses about 1-2% each night
Why does the iPad have such crazy battery life in standby mode + wifi on? Is it all about good written software (iOS, drivers and apps)? Or is it hardware related? Or both?
In other words: will it ever be possible for an Android tablet to get such great standby time when ICS get more mature? Or is it already possible on other devices and lays the problem within hardware/drivers from Asus?
I really dislike having to use auto airplane mode, because I sometimes have to wait 5-10 second for wifi to get connected and ready. But with wifi turned on, the standby drain is even greater.
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Its not an issue with Android because I can get 2 months on standby with my Nook Color running CM7. The tf201's standby time is likely due to things on the kernel level rather than Android.
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Its not an issue with Android because I can get 2 months on standby with my Nook Color running CM7. The tf201's standby time is likely due to things on the kernel level rather than Android.
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I was just going to post how crazy my nook color is with power consumption, but thats not the same level of processor that the Prime has.
Not sure if this has already been said? But iOS battery% behave very different than Android battery%. I noticed that when i got my first android device after using an ipod touch for a while. (that was a while ago so maybe things changed with iOS 5x never used that)
The iOS% will kinda adapt to your usage. If you play a 3d game on high brightness the battery% will go down pretty fast, but if you go back to standby they go up again. After some hour of gaming you can be down to 60% but after another one in standby it could go up to 80% again...
In general it feels to me like they lie "a bit". It could very well be that if you used said ipad it would drop to like 30% after 5mins of using. I found the way it behaves very annoying. But as I said that was on my ipod touch, maybe the ipad is different.
Android battery% are much more "direct" but also more accurate in my opinion. With my ipod I never knew how much juice is really left. With my phone or tablet now i know exactly what i can do until it shuts down.
That being said, i'm pretty sure there's still alot of room for improvement with the prime. The software is just an early version basically - all they did up to now is make sure everything works more or less and that its stable for most people. I'm confident the next patch will make things alot better in many aspects.
And i wonder how my prime will be like in half a year with a perfect custom rom
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I was just going to post how crazy my nook color is with power consumption, but thats not the same level of processor that the Prime has.
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That's true, but isn't Teg3 and the new Pad line supposed to be fairly efficient?
With the majority of my time spent at the lowest clocks, the drain I get does seem kind of ridiculous. That opinion stated, here's another: the battery-life on the Prime is still fantastic. I can almost push it an entire work-week on one charge so long as I'm not trying to game or anything, that's a pretty stout stand-by for most electronics. The OG iPad just happens to be so underwhelmingly powerful that its standby is much greater.
I personally believe that to coax away the random locks/reboots they raised the voltage values so that we're drawing unneeded power; however, I for some reason have not ventured into my Prime to see what they have the values set to so I have nothing to back this up. Just a guess.
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I was just going to post how crazy my nook color is with power consumption, but thats not the same level of processor that the Prime has.
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If its truly in standby/sleep then the processor should be essentially off. In the case of the Nook Color the primary CPU can power off entirely.
The issue is the dock, when mines not docked it can idle for over 60 days (according to battery widget app) and when it's docked I lose over 10% a night or more
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The issue is the dock, when mines not docked it can idle for over 60 days (according to battery widget app) and when it's docked I lose over 10% a night or more
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The dock is not the issue, neither is Android and neither is the processor. It comes down to what apps you're running, live wallpapers, radios, etc. Or just good ol' fashioned faulty units...or poorly built ROMs/kernels.
I'm running stock, rooted .15 with performance mode on always. When I wake up in the morning, I unplug my docked Prime before I go to work. When I get home 10 hours later...dock is at 100% and Prime at 99%. That's with dock connected, performance mode, bluetooth wifi and GPS all ON and no "battery saving" apps of any kind running. And that's been consistent for the last two weeks. I DO, however, kill all apps in the recent apps menu. I don't force stop them or anything, just open up the recent menu and swipe them away.
The only time I've gotten battery drain was when I left an N64 emu, an SNES emu, Sixaxis and two other games running in the background. That ate about 10% battery or so in 10 hours.
I left my prime unplugged for 8 hours, wifi on, and it was at 99%. So I don't know what the OP is talking about.
Additionally, iPad doesn't have a good clue as to what real multi-tasking is like, and therefore doesn't update as much because it doesn't have services running in the background.
Android does have services running in the background. Give and take. You want your data always refreshed? What intervals? etc.
That's all configurable, so you really decide how long your battery lasts.
Advice to OP: Read more, get smarter, post less dumb crap.
Hi Everyone,
I've noticed a few other posters have indicated that wifi makes up an unusually large amount of their Prime's battery drain. Personally I'm seeing anywhere between 60-90% of battery usage being attributed to Wifi. Do we know if there are any commonalities in these cases? I'm on a fully stock .21 build with a C3 series Prime, and my battery life has in general not been amazing (6-8 hours off-dock MAX). Anyone else seeing similar outcomes?
Yep, there are quite a few threads about this already
The wifi power consumption is absolute insane. With wifi off the battery last as advertised... but with bt or wifi..... well...
Wish there was a way to select how much power we want to assign to the wifi as i have seen in another phones.
Im having similar issues, on and off.
Recently, Ive been messing around with new roms and and kernels and found out tinkering here and there that when the tablet is put to sleep, its supposed to go into deep sleep, this being what makes the tab super battery efficient when its sleeping
A quick test to see if its going to deep sleep is to download Cpu Spy free from the market, start it, go to options (top right) reset timers to get a fresh reading, put tab to sleep for 10 -20 secs, then turn on, go back to Cpu Spy, options Refresh. You should have a listing for deep sleep, which will tell you that deep sleep is at least working.
Every now and again i would test this, found out that sometimes deep sleep would not initiate, normally its ok straight after reboot, but after ive been using the tab (mind you, not always), and test deep sleep, i find that the tab would stay on a low clock speed rather then deep sleep, well 'low' being a relative term, i mean at some points, the tab wouldnt go below 475mhz even when idle.
When idle, ideally, the tabs if not doing anything intensive in the background, SHOULD go to the lowest CPU state, 102mhz, i think there is something, either system related or app related, thats forcing our primes to run at higher clock speeds and in some cases its not letting our primes go into deep sleep
I think using cpu spy, is a good tool to figure out what that might be, restart your tab, before doing anything, establish that your tab can go to deep sleep while sleeping and uses the lower cpu speeds when idle, and then test it everynow and again, if the issues come back, and you see a connection between a certain app or certain setting you've been using let someone know, chances are, it could be our culprit, in this case the best way to fix something is to find out what needs fixing.
I have already checked forDeepSleep issues but I have none, my tablet sleeps like it should and when turned off use very little energy... but man once it starts transfering data the battery goes to hell hehe (Music streaming, WebSurfing. anything that uses internet).
The battery used by WiFi is more evident when using the Prime in Eco Mode with the light turned all the way down, 80-90% is from WiFi :/
Changing the Policy to disconnect while the screen turns off just does noting for me, since I like I said before, it only uses so much power when transfering any kind of data.
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I have already checked forDeepSleep issues but I have none, my tablet sleeps like it should and when turned off use very little energy... but man once it starts transfering data the battery goes to hell hehe (Music streaming, WebSurfing. anything that uses internet).
The battery used by WiFi is more evident when using the Prime in Eco Mode with the light turned all the way down, 80-90% is from WiFi :/
Changing the Policy to disconnect while the screen turns off just does noting for me, since I like I said before, it only uses so much power when transfering any kind of data.
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Thanks for the info.
Just to get our ducks in order, do you test with CPU Spy after you have messed around with the tab, without closing or shutting down anything?
Most of the time, mine works as it should when 102mhz and deep sleep is concerned, but on occasion after playing around with it, i find that deep sleep wont initiate and the lowest clock speed would be 475mhz 370mhz, its as if somethings hanging up the system, not allowing it to initiate lower more battery friendly settings
At the time i was using virtuous prime with motleys kernel with the script specific for virtuous prime, that combination was not allowing lower clock speeds at all regardless what i closed or even a reboot, im now in the process of reinstalling virtuous prime with stock kernel as vanilla as i can make it, as a base rom with all my apps ready, and it seems to be doing what its suppose to be doing, CPU wise.
Gonna get the rom just the way i like it and nand backup, before i reinstall motleys kernel again to see if it improves the battery with its under volt features, this time im gonna wipe davlak and cache see if that makes a difference
Im constantly using eco mode, so thanks for that observation, will definitely keep that in mind when im testing
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Yep, what I do almost every day is reset CPU Spy stats when disconnecting my tab from the power so I can have an accurate read of the whole day.
Deep sleep working, CPU scales down to 102MHz like it should.
WiFi is like a black hole of energy when transferring data hehe, wifi on with only chat client and my email and Widgets synced uses almost no power... downloading anything, web browsing, music streaming eats the battery
My tablet also seems to go into deep sleep just fine (at least a few small tests indicate that it does). I'm having the same results as Zephyrot though, if I'm doing something that uses the data connection much it just hammers the battery. It's odd that I can play GTA III with settings turned all the way up for 3 hours and have it use less power than lightly browsing the web for an hour. Do you guys have C3 or C2 models ? I'm curious if the changes they made might have some influence on this problem.
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My tablet also seems to go into deep sleep just fine (at least a few small tests indicate that it does). I'm having the same results as Zephyrot though, if I'm doing something that uses the data connection much it just hammers the battery. It's odd that I can play GTA III with settings turned all the way up for 3 hours and have it use less power than lightly browsing the web for an hour. Do you guys have C3 or C2 models ? I'm curious if the changes they made might have some influence on this problem.
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For reference im on C2, but im in the phase of testing some roms and kernels(recently unlocked to try Cornerstone Rom) so my testing results are gonna be all over the place until i find the best performance/battery rom and kernel, untill then im gonna be doing basic short term tests, untill i settle down, so as far as my personal findings are concerned, take em with a grain of salt
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My tablet also seems to go into deep sleep just fine (at least a few small tests indicate that it does). I'm having the same results as Zephyrot though, if I'm doing something that uses the data connection much it just hammers the battery. It's odd that I can play GTA III with settings turned all the way up for 3 hours and have it use less power than lightly browsing the web for an hour. Do you guys have C3 or C2 models ? I'm curious if the changes they made might have some influence on this problem.
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Exactly my experience, Asphalt 6HD uses less battery than wifi!
C20 Prime here.
Since .21 update my battery life is crap! I can have fully charged tablet and dock, leave it overnight and next morning dock is completely drained and tablet has lost 5-10%. I thought it was wifi issue at first, but have tried several times in airplane mode and still have same result. After reading this, I will try cpuspy and see if it is a deep sleep issue. I cannot tell you how much I regret "upgrading" to .21, which I did accidentally and lost root in the process. Man, I wish this device had a do-over button!
Hello,
I have a smartq t20 tablet (great cheap tablet!) running ICS, my question is, when I leave wifi on all the time, what happens when the tablet goes to sleep (not awake according to the battery details)?
I can leave a download running and it would continue when the screen is off, does this mean my tablet is never going into deep sleep? Or is that unrelated?
I know the wifi itself drains more battery when left on even if it isn't being utilized but I was wondering about the CPU side of it.
Thanks!
or.green said:
Hello,
I have a smartq t20 tablet (great cheap tablet!) running ICS, my question is, when I leave wifi on all the time, what happens when the tablet goes to sleep (not awake according to the battery details)?
I can leave a download running and it would continue when the screen is off, does this mean my tablet is never going into deep sleep? Or is that unrelated?
I know the wifi itself drains more battery when left on even if it isn't being utilized but I was wondering about the CPU side of it.
Thanks!
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If you want to download something with the screen off go to Setings/Wifi/WiFisettings and choose the sleep policy as never. Then the screen can go off and still download... Regarding battery issue, it would be like the tab was on sleep anyway, battery usage would be minimal... maybe more than usual... but very minute nevertheless... hope it helps
No worries.
or.green said:
Hello,
I have a smartq t20...
...I know the wifi itself drains more battery when left on even if it isn't being utilized but I was wondering about the CPU side of it.
Thanks!
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Well if you are concerned about battery and CPU usage, you have nothing to worry about. If the download is something along the lines of a movie, then you may see a small drop in battery length and internet speed. You should see barely any change in your CPU.
Thanks for the answers guys!
I knew how to do it, I was only asking about the effects.
I experimented a little with CPU spy and found out that the CPU never goes to Deep Sleep if the Wifi is active when the screen is turned off.
As a result I would expect the battery drain to be very different unless I don't understand deep sleep completely and it isn't such a big difference from the lowest CPU setting.