Hey guys. I have a XT912 with an unlocked boot loader. I didn't realize it until I saw the pics earlier today of the other user that had one.
Contact me by PM, as I know my situation is different than his is....so someone needs to evaluate my phone.
I am at CES till tomorrow, but will be ready on Friday to do this.
You have any pics of your booloader unlocked... This also needs to nee looked @
garlick2 said:
Hey guys. I have a XT912 with an unlocked boot loader. I didn't realize it until I saw the pics earlier today of the other user that had one.
Contact me by PM, as I know my situation is different than his is....so someone needs to evaluate my phone.
I am at CES till tomorrow, but will be ready on Friday to do this.
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Nice!!!
detr0yt said:
You have any pics of your booloader unlocked... This also needs to nee looked @
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Yea, pics please.
Maybe this can bring us somewhere the previous unlock couldnt. But let's not get our hopes too antsy yet.
Yeah my dreams were straight crushed on the, last unlocked razr from.Spain...
Sent you a PM on behalf of devs I am in direct contact with who are working on unlocking the bootloader.
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Sent you a PM on behalf of devs I am in direct contact with who are working on unlocking the bootloader.
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Tricksy hobbit.
PM sent in return.
Will get this information up by Friday. At CES, and have business meetings all day tomorrow.
I haven't looked at the bootloader since the fastboot files were uploaded, and my system DEFINITELY said unlocked, but I thought there was no way that this meant I was lucky enough to have an unlocked bootloader, and I couldn't find any pictures on google of what a locked bootloader looked like on a RAZR.
After seeing the photo's today....that changed my mind.
More info to come.
garlick2 said:
PM sent in return.
Will get this information up by Friday. At CES, and have business meetings all day tomorrow.
I haven't looked at the bootloader since the fastboot files were uploaded, and my system DEFINITELY said unlocked, but I thought there was no way that this meant I was lucky enough to have an unlocked bootloader, and I couldn't find any pictures on google of what a locked bootloader looked like on a RAZR.
After seeing the photo's today....that changed my mind.
More info to come.
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Since ur at CES, can u get a word from Moto?
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Since ur at CES, can u get a word from Moto?
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Very few of the people you can actually talk to @ CES have anything to do with those decisions, nor are they in contact with those people. Just a heads up. Most of them are just reps.
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Since ur at CES, can u get a word from Moto?
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What arcan said....
Although I was walking to the bathroom, and two of the Moto guys were walking in front of me, and I joked....."You guys want to unlock my bootloader for me??" (before I figured out mine was already unlocked).
They didn't think that was too funny, although they understood.
I have a friend who works at Moto Mobility, and he's told me it REALLY isn't much they can do about it. Verizon has made it very clear to Moto that they can't unlock their bootloaders anytime soon, or they risk losing some pretty hefty advertising subsidies, which HTC actually gave up, as well as Samsung.
Moto isn't in a financial position to give those up....so Verizon has them literally by the balls.
Pretty sad really, Moto's devices, to me, are the best constructed on the market. They also seem to have been supportive of the dev's from day 1, or at least a lot more than other companies....ahem Samsung....
I will say, the Droid 4 was looking like a pretty spectacular device.
The RAZR Maxx is too thick for my liking. It's MUCH thicker than the RAZR, which makes it more like a Droid X2 replacement than a RAZR....but the extended battery life would definitely be cool.
I was talking to the guys at the booth about the Droid 4, as I think I'm going to get one next month, and they were getting some good battery life numbers off that unit. One guy was saying he was getting 12-13 hours with moderate to heavy usage on 4G, which would be exactly what I would be looking for.
I checked out the Galaxy Note, and it's not my cup of tea. I already find the RAZR to be too big at times, and the Note is just WAY too large to try and talk on with the headset next to your ear, and with the way the layout is, there's no advantage to using it in landscape with the virtual keyboard, as the keyboard still takes up the entire screen, and you have to use the next button to go to the next field, which causes me errors from time to time on my RAZR (that's really my chief complaint).
As for other things that I saw, the google TV/Android TV applications are all very cool, and could be something great with a little work.
There was an amazing camera concept that was being shown off....while not a real product, it was definitely awesome....check it out here:
www.wvil.de
Sony had the best glasses free 3D TV's shown here. Their UHD 40" glasses free 3D looked really good. The first glasses free 3D TV I could actually say I wanted to own.
LG is still kicking everyone else's asses in the 3D glasses realm, as their passive 3D TV's were hands down the best at the show.
I know 3D seems to be a gimmick, but there was more information on 3D broadcasting equipment, and content creation than at any previous show by almost triple what we've seen. So 3D is here to stay. There are tablets and phones & overlays (complete garbage) that are being shown off in wild numbers.
Intel's concept phone was KILLER!! I don't know who did the hardware on the outside, but the phone flies. It was running android, and man that thing cooked. With only a single core to, the apps were ripping through. If they didn't have the horrible dance routine to a taped production on stage, they would have had the better booths, but I was laughing the whole time this guys was supposed to be "interacting" with the big screen because it was just bad
There were also some really interesting accessories, although I really hate how EVERYTHING is so focused on the iPhone in that area. There were some interesting set up's for DJ'ing off iPads, where you use 2 on stands, and then an analog mixer. (I have built a full touch screen DJ box, which has a 21.5" multi touch LCD that I use so I'm partial to full touch mixing so Analog doesn't interest me anymore) but it was still cool to see.
Android is really, really pushing the envelope of being a development tool for companies to run their applications on. I saw more products that were built off the Android SDK than I expected. There were GPS units, heart monitors, camera stations, wireless blu ray devices, full car dashboards....all kinds of things that were on top of an android platform.
There was even a 3D printing machine, that you could do rendering in Android and have the machine print from there.
Overall, I do have to say, last year was a bit better in terms of shear number of BIG product reveals. It seemed the cell phone guys were a bit mild this year, and the TV people were focused on 4K UHD resolution, while just kind of waiting for 3D content to catch up so people get more interested.
All in all, still the best show in North America year in and year out, and I got to sit in a Lamborghini Aventador for the first time....wow, that's an amazing machine.
Sounds like a great time! I go to Comic-Con every year but I still need to see CES one day
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I must admit, the new Sony Xperia S has made me believing in Sony once again. Haha.
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garlick2 said:
What arcan said....
Although I was walking to the bathroom, and two of the Moto guys were walking in front of me, and I joked....."You guys want to unlock my bootloader for me??" (before I figured out mine was already unlocked).
They didn't think that was too funny, although they understood.
I have a friend who works at Moto Mobility, and he's told me it REALLY isn't much they can do about it. Verizon has made it very clear to Moto that they can't unlock their bootloaders anytime soon, or they risk losing some pretty hefty advertising subsidies, which HTC actually gave up, as well as Samsung.
Moto isn't in a financial position to give those up....so Verizon has them literally by the balls.
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What about the retail versions? Who are they kidding? Verizon has NO say whatsoever in the international RAZR XT910. Mine is an UNBRANDED phone. WTH?!! Please talk to them about it once. Ask your friend please. Or if u can gimme his email ID, i can send him an email.
garlick2 said:
Hey guys. I have a XT912 with an unlocked boot loader. I didn't realize it until I saw the pics earlier today of the other user that had one.
Contact me by PM, as I know my situation is different than his is....so someone needs to evaluate my phone.
I am at CES till tomorrow, but will be ready on Friday to do this.
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code 1 or code 3?
garlick2 said:
Hey guys. I have a XT912 with an unlocked boot loader. I didn't realize it until I saw the pics earlier today of the other user that had one.
Contact me by PM, as I know my situation is different than his is....so someone needs to evaluate my phone.
I am at CES till tomorrow, but will be ready on Friday to do this.
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Through what channel did you get the phone from?
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code 1 or code 3?
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good question! A picture would definitely be valuable here. Does it says "Factory use only", or "(SE)"?
What version number does it show?
From a computer, can you also try to run:
Code:
moto-fastboot getvar -all
(it will only read and show the value of variables, it won't perform anything more on the phone)
(you can get moto-fastboot.exe from http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GB4VV9ZW )
oh boy, here we go again
i hope this isn't another failure
raclimja said:
oh boy, here we go again
i hope this isn't another failure
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Dude they didn't exactly make it super easy to unlock the bootloader. There are going to be many "failures" as it may never be unlocked. The trouble is so many people get all excited and start asking for the "files" as if it's been figured out whenever they see a thread like this.
gogo unlock!
I only need to know the status code that you can read on your bootloader. Then I'll say to you all if this is useful for unlocking us all or not.
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The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer
--kholk
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Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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Nsandhu23 said:
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
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im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
WeatherTech said:
Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
Broded said:
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
BlueGoldAce said:
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
mayfield103 said:
The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
Irishman42 said:
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
I have a Droid Charge with unlocked bootloader and it still gets no development. I still thoroughly enjoy the phone though. Of the phones on the market, the razr is the one I like best. Moto knows how to make a smooth fast phone with great reception.
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
You should do a side by side comparison of the RAZR next to any other phone... that's what I did before buying my RAZR... I like having a removable SD card and HDMI out... the battery could sway you but I think with the maxx coming out someone will produce an after market cover, after all the battery isn't soldered in like the iphone is... I personally love the quality of Motorola phones... as far as development goes, I wouldn't let the locked bootloader get to you, I had my DroidX for 2 years with a locked bootloader and I still had quite a few roms to flash, doesn't anyone remember 2nd init? I'm sure the RAZR devs will find a way around the stupid bootloader... in the meantime everyone get into operation mosh, and let big red and Motorola know we mean business... I love my RAZR, I personally have a lot of faith in this product, I'm actually looking into learning how to develop for android just because I want to help anyone who takes up the torch to develop for this awesome device
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Can I ask what eclipse is? I'm kind of having the same feelings as the OP. I'm looking for a reason to keep my razr, but some of the other devices are calling for me.
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If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
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The only thing the locked bootloader prevents different kennels from being used. There are two or three roms out now plus a deodexed or two that you install with the bootstrap.
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I can tell you this. I tried out the Nexus for about a week, and took it back. While I LOVE ICS, the phone itself SUCKS. Esp next to the Razr. Slower, horrible battery life, cheap feel, lackluster camera...I could go on and on. I am pissed off too but it is still the best option out there so far.
Sorry for this extremely newb question. This is my first dabble in the Android world, I've always been an iPhone user since moving from dumb to smart phone.
I've been using the Arctic ROM for last couple of weeks and the latest version makes me never want to go back to the stock Rogers ROM. Now here's the question - given that even without an unlocked bootloader, one can still relatively easily flash a new ROM using CWM, what's this big deal about unlocked bootloader. Also what's special about this ever so elusive custom kernel that has been mentioned?
One of the biggest problems I'm seeing with the locked BL bs is that it appears to be scaring away developers who would rather go the easier route and develop on a unlocked machine. Yea you might get it to work on the Razr but it takes steps A-B-C-D-E and who knows how much more for the devs to get it working as opposed to A and B with a ULBL. Look around...we've got very very little in the way of development or ROMS....
If ROM'ing is really important to you, you really ought to get a GNex. Even if the bootloader does get unlocked (which is up in the air, since Moto's broken that promise in the past), there will be far more development for the GNex.
I got the RAZR for the killer hardware and the smooth user experience. I don't know that I'll ROM this even if they do unlock the bootloader, and I was a ROM junkie on my OG Droid.
ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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I pray that you are right. Though I love this phone more than any other phone I've had before (HD2, HD7, Sensation, G2X, Bionic), it's killing me that I can't mess around with it. I paid top dollar for this prostitute. And I want to do whatever I feel like to her, regardless of what her pimp says.
Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Sorry, I have no info on that.
the xoom already had an unlocked bootloader from the last update from what I can tell as on the motodev website, there is a file to relock it if needed
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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That is correct, no BS on my end because I have no reason to make something like that up. I was contacted and it doesnt mean its going to gappen right away.
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I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
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Best price including shipment to Malaysia?
Statutory Warning : This post is SUPER long! May cause delusions, dehydration, rage towards Motorola and/or VZW or depression! For those who can't withstand this post, skip to the end for a one line summary.
So it has been over 8, dreadful and painful months with the DX2. And to dull this pain, I had you guys to follow and read up on. Great devs and their ROMs, Pepperm1nt, Nitro, the_guy_who_made_liberty (Oops, I dunno the name of the guy), Ryman222 for his Molten (which incidentally was my first ROM) and then comes mastafunk, aceoyame and the one and only Dragonzkiller!!! He was THE guy who let me have hope over the last few months (of course, with respect to my phone! If he was the sole reason I'd have hope in my life over the last few months then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with me... ).
There are many others like Moonshadow, TransX2, TravisdroidX2, iBolski (who was the inspiration for my BBB Moto attack), gaad0701, antp121 , Sandso9, ashclepdia(OMG! How did I forget you!) ad infinitum! All of you guys helped me have fun around in these forums and gave me numerous thanks as well. I am very grateful to you and will definitely miss you when I leave. So I'll still pop in every now and then so that I don't completely miss you guys!
Anyway, coming to the actual news! I got a Droid Incredible 2, currently being shipped by VZW with a back plate and a battery as well! Swell! Here is how this happened.
Over the last 1-2 weeks, I got very active in pursuing my Moto and VZW complaints. So, many phone calls, emails and chats have been exchanged. But in short, nothing significant emerged. Then I heard people complaining to VZW and getting a call from an engineer and being offered a Gnex!!! Naturally, I was jealous, but also inspired and motivated to attack VZW to score a new phone.
I got a call from VZW in response to my online complaint. I seized this opportunity to get in touch with a Tech support rep and elaborated and bemoaned about my phone's countless issues. She was sympathetic and TRIED to check if I could possibly get a different phone. Unfortunately I couldn't. BUT she said something that intrigued me! She said that I did not hit the threshold that would make me eligible to getting a different phone. I was told that I needed to order ONE more DX2 replacement device before I can get a different phone. You see, I only ordered one replacement so far. So I hatched a plan.
I ordered a second replacement DX2 (making it the third DX2 I had, the first being the one I purchased and the second and third being the replacements). I ordered it yesterday and I received it today.
Then, I didn't waste anytime tinkering and checking this phone. Instead I activated it and immediately called VZW claiming that this phone had all the issues my previous 2 phones had as well. They lied to you (Moto and VZW) so why not you lie as well! I told them I was not happy and that I was sure that getting another DX2 as a replacement will not help either as it seems to be an issue with all Droid X2's. I added that I was told if I had issues with this phone too, then they may be able to offer me a different model. She looked into it and said, YES, they can offer me a different model!!! Huzzah! Success, finally!
I went through the process and was told that I can have either the HTC Dinc2, the Motorola Droid 3 or the older Samsung Fascinate. Samsung fascinate!? Bleh! No thank you! Droid 3!!!??? Are you ****ing serious!!!??? It is like from one hell to another!!! Not only does it have a locked Bootloader, but it is not even confirmed to get ICS as of now! Plus, I will not go for Droid 3, purely on moral and ethical grounds. I will NOT be doing business with a company that plainly doesn't give a **** about its customers, like Motorola!
On the other hand, HTC has unlocked the Bootloader for the Dinc2 AND it has added Dinc2 to its ICS upgrade list!!! . Plus as per XDA forums, Dinc2 has LOADS of ICS ROMs. Now that is my sort of company!
So sign me up for a HTC Droid Incredible 2 I said to the customer care rep. And she did.
To others wanting to ditch this phone and get a new one like me, the following are some tips and tricks.
1. Complain to VZW. CALL Tech Support: 866-221-4096.Tell them all the faults of your phone you can think of. Refer to this list if you need help : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24528918&postcount=12
2. Tell them that you checked online forums and it appears that ALL DX2's have this problem. So, request them to give you a different device.
3. Now, if you had one or less replacements so far, you MAY not receive a different device. Still, try your best to push for it by stating the systematic issues with it and claiming that ALL DX2's have it. No harm in trying. If not, do what I did and order a replacement DX2 first. It won't cost you anything and you can order another replacement the very next day once you receive this one.
4. After you crossed the threshold of 2 or more replacements, repeat Step 1 and 2. Clearly mention that you have talked to a customer rep previously and that they told you that if you are still facing problems with the device, and if you have had significant replacements (the magic number is 2) then you can be considered/will be eligible to get a different device. Even though this may not have happened, the fact is true and I can confirm it. So, no harm in claiming that you were told as such. Repeat that you are sure and 100% positive that the problem won't be solved by a replacement DX2 and that you really want a different device.
5. After the VZW rep agrees, which I believe he/she will and should, go through your replacement options, choose the device you like best and proceed with ordering it as a replacement. Thank your lucky stars you reached this step. Go to your favorite church/temple/mosque/other spiritual place and pray/donate/do social or community service if you got REAL lucky and got a Gnex or may be even a Razr (though it is Craparola's Razr!!!)
6. Once your device arrives at home, close your eyes and return Craparola's DX2.
7. Profit! Sit back, relax and enjoy your new phone and the new found freedom it provides you!!!
The end!
Once again, I am glad I made SO many friends in this community. I am grateful for the entertainment, fun and thanks you guys gave me! I will pop in regularly and check up if Moto did anything right OR if you guys got CM9/ICS via DZK, some other dev or Moto!!!
May you survive this ****storm and hopefully emerge victorious by making Moto do what you want or be bailed out, like me, via VZW!
Cheers!!!
TL;DR? Well read this: Pained by Motorola and its DX2, I got bailed by VZW. Got myself a HTC Droid Incredible 2, yippee and Woohoo!
If Cspire had better lineup of phones then I would take the same route as I love to hack and fiddle with my devices. But I can't so I'm stuck with it. The phone itself is honestly the best I've had. I'm just disappointed that I can't toy around with it much.
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it was a good run. gave me hope with all the work you did to try and get moto to fix this piece of ****. good luck in the VIVOW (sick codename btw) world. i would go for a dinc2 but my contracts up within the next month. thnks for the shoutout btw and you WILL be missed
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i though about it for ten minutes... so why not give it a shot what phone number did you call? basic customer support?
Wish you would have done this a month ago! Oh well I'm happy with what i got now lol
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Wish you would have done this a month ago! Oh well I'm happy with what i got now lol
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it was a good run. gave me hope with all the work you did to try and get moto to fix this piece of ****. good luck in the VIVOW (sick codename btw) world. i would go for a dinc2 but my contracts up within the next month. thnks for the shoutout btw and you WILL be missed
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i though about it for ten minutes... so why not give it a shot what phone number did you call? basic customer support?
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I guess it is a standard number.
I called Verizon Wireless Technical Support: 866-221-4096
UPDATE: My phone is being shipped! Overnight! But there is a god damn weekend in the middle, so I must wait till Monday!!! :/
Oh, CAN'T WAIT!!!
I picture MoonShadow-NM saying: "Patience, little grasshopper"!!!
By the way, all the time I was talking to the customer rep and then she said she can send me a different model device, my hand was shaking and I was giddy with excitement!!!
Enjoy and good for you. I have been currently watching swappa for another device. I agree with your post and you never know I will see what device I end up on next.
Yea I'm waiting on my BBB complaint right now. Its been only a couple days but I'm holding out hope that I can get something better. As it is now, I love this phone but all the problems make me want another kind. I have a year left on the contract and don't know when early upgrade is but I don't plan on buying another device outright.
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4s lol I'm pretty sure i told you this in the irc the other night didn't i?
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4s lol I'm pretty sure i told you this in the irc the other night didn't i?
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LOL!!!! XD XD !!
I keep forgetting!! D'oh! I had a funny feeling I asked you this already. Well now I know!!!
Well, Sandso9, I promise I will remember it this time!
Can't Wait till Monday! But I won't be home on Monday! Hope I can make FedEx leave it at a neighbor's location...
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LOL!!!! XD XD !!
I keep forgetting!! D'oh! I had a funny feeling I asked you this already. Well now I know!!!
Well, Sandso9, I promise I will remember it this time!
Can't Wait till Monday! But I won't be home on Monday! Hope I can make FedEx leave it at a neighbor's location...
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Good luck man your going to love that phone its so nice to escape the x2!
I was offered the Droid Incredible 2 as well, but sent it back. Rooting is complex, and S-Off? What is that? I read the sticky threads, and found out that you actually need to downgrade the phone to root it.
The phone is slow in comparison to the DX2, the stock launcher/homescreens are not customizable, no Bluetooth auto-answer, and I would not be able to tether it without paying another $30 for data that I am already grandfathered in for unlimited.
My phone was fine until I paired my Bluetooth headset, then all the issues started. I need a phone that can handle heavy Bluetooth usage and Bluetooth music listening.
I guess I will wait until August for my upgrade date.
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I was offered the Droid Incredible 2 as well, but sent it back. Rooting is complex, and S-Off? What is that? I read the sticky threads, and found out that you actually need to downgrade the phone to root it.
The phone is slow in comparison to the DX2, the stock launcher/homescreens are not customizable, no Bluetooth auto-answer, and I would not be able to tether it without paying another $30 for data that I am already grandfathered in for unlimited.
My phone was fine until I paired my Bluetooth headset, then all the issues started. I need a phone that can handle heavy Bluetooth usage and Bluetooth music listening.
I guess I will wait until August for my upgrade date.
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Yea If I'm only offered that I think I'll tell them to try harder, a lot harder. As if I'm going to take a device that has a smaller screen and was less money then what I bought my phone for.
YAY!
after much *****ing and crying to VZW, the lady offered me an early upgrade. not much to be excited for bc my contract was up june 18 but this weekend... the rezound is 50$. ordered and on its way! i told her all my problems with the phone, she asked her supervisor if i could get a different replacement. after she said no, (never had a replacement before) i asked if i could get an early upgrade. she said she had to ask her supervisor and 15 mins later she said i could! i then asked of i could have a free rezound she said no but i decided to spring because, well, I HATE THIS PHONE !! should be here by Tuesday if all goes well AND... i have off this week so a LOT of time to tinker. 50 bucks for one of the best vzw phones NOT made by CRAPorola? sign me up anyday. i guess this is goodbye dx2 family thanks to all the great devs we have (DZK, Ace, Nitro) the modders (motcher, MoonShadow, skwoodwiva) the themers (hedwig ) and the all around good people in this forum (Ash, Litetaker, BreatheALittle) ill pop back in every once in a while just to see if moto shapes up Good Luck in all your endeavors and hope you all are able to move past this phone
PS: Breathe i hope you do get the Rezound, that way we can fight, i mean share our passion for hockey some more lol
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after much *****ing and crying to VZW, the lady offered me an early upgrade. not much to be excited for bc my contract was up june 18 but this weekend... the rezound is 50$. ordered and on its way! i told her all my problems with the phone, she asked her supervisor if i could get a different replacement. after she said no, (never had a replacement before) i asked if i could get an early upgrade. she said she had to ask her supervisor and 15 mins later she said i could! i then asked of i could have a free rezound she said no but i decided to spring because, well, I HATE THIS PHONE !! should be here by Tuesday if all goes well AND... i have off this week so a LOT of time to tinker. 50 bucks for one of the best vzw phones NOT made by CRAPorola? sign me up anyday. i guess this is goodbye dx2 family thanks to all the great devs we have (DZK, Ace, Nitro) the modders (motcher, MoonShadow, skwoodwiva) the themers (hedwig ) and the all around good people in this forum (Ash, Litetaker, BreatheALittle) ill pop back in every once in a while just to see if moto shapes up Good Luck in all your endeavors and hope you all are able to move past this phone
PS: Breathe i hope you do get the Rezound, that way we can fight, i mean share our passion for hockey some more lol
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Good for you mate! I couldn't have gotten an early upgrade as my upgrade is April next year! Will thank you tomorrow as I ran out of thanks for today!
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Good for you mate! I couldn't have gotten an early upgrade as my upgrade is April next year! Will thank you tomorrow as I ran out of thanks for today!
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haha thanks man i guess ill see you around... i was planing on getting the dinc2 but she wouldnt give me one. so much for that l lol the rezound is a little thick for my liking but hey its got a hd screen, dual core, 4-****ing-G, gig o ram and to top it all off UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER!! WOOT.
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UPDATE: My phone is being shipped! Overnight! But there is a god damn weekend in the middle, so I must wait till Monday!!! :/
Oh, CAN'T WAIT!!!
I picture MoonShadow-NM saying: "Patience, little grasshopper"!!!
By the way, all the time I was talking to the customer rep and then she said she can send me a different model device, my hand was shaking and I was giddy with excitement!!!
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Dude I had the EXACT same feeling when the person I bought my nexus from told me they put it on eBay with buy it now at 350(I am doing a split payment on it, so he put the nexus on for 350buy it now and extended bat for 100 that I pay for next week) and after he told me I refreshed the page and it wasn't showing up at first I was like seriously if someone got it in that 15seconds since he notified me it was ready I would have flipped lol
But for the whole two hours I was conversing with the guy my adrenaline was flowing for sure lmfao
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I was offered the Droid Incredible 2 as well, but sent it back. Rooting is complex, and S-Off? What is that? I read the sticky threads, and found out that you actually need to downgrade the phone to root it.
The phone is slow in comparison to the DX2, the stock launcher/homescreens are not customizable, no Bluetooth auto-answer, and I would not be able to tether it without paying another $30 for data that I am already grandfathered in for unlimited.
My phone was fine until I paired my Bluetooth headset, then all the issues started. I need a phone that can handle heavy Bluetooth usage and Bluetooth music listening.
I guess I will wait until August for my upgrade date.
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The downgrade to root and s-off is a one time deal
Once u have s-off u root easily any build u want usually
That's how it was with my buddies incredible
It was actually a LOT easier than I expected it to be lol
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UPDATE: My phone is being shipped! Overnight! But there is a god damn weekend in the middle, so I must wait till Monday!!! :/
Oh, CAN'T WAIT!!!
I picture MoonShadow-NM saying: "Patience, little grasshopper"!!!
By the way, all the time I was talking to the customer rep and then she said she can send me a different model device, my hand was shaking and I was giddy with excitement!!!
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I will be doing this on Tuesday when my replacement comes. I think I was too nice to them when I yelled at them on Thursday.
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....that some people don't like this phone.
Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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This made my day hahahahahahaa xD
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I'll see you in hell.. where the devil knows my name...
I have a Razr Maxx side by side with a Galaxy Nexus, and taking out all the politics and love/hate to their manufacturers, here is my evaluation of them as PHONES (ya know, thingies that make calls):
- Gnex - early ICS, tried more than 10 different ROMs until I settled for one that is just blazing fast. Battery - barely a day. Insufficient battery life, for my needs.
- Razr - Good hardware. Lots of trolling on forums, caused by Motorola's delays. Amazing battery, but without several ROMs to test, the only usable thing is an ICS leak that underperforms - sluggish, and no native SIP (no, I don't want it through 3rd party apps - Gnex's ICS has it. Period.).
I do have a 3200mAh battery for the Gnex. Lasts more than a day with it, but looks like a telephone with a disease. Or a very healthy brick.
At the end of the day, I like them both, but I just wish I had a Gnex with the Razr's battery.
I want to complain about ics leak 211 running great on my RAZR Maxx. ..but then I woke up and realised its as good as it selling. I read something today stating the RAZR/Maxx line gas outsold Verizon's iPhone 4s finally. Might not be much but that's a good foothold.
I like my razr, really much, he's like a son for me, the perfect son.
I just hate motorola, really hate..
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Other than the data issue with this phone. Its perfectly fine.
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
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i must be doing something wrong on my maxx because i don't even get a day and 1/2.
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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vash_h said:
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
Sent from my XT910
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were not going to get jellybean.
BakaPhoenix said:
They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Oh, where to begin...
Some guy on the internet says Motorola says they'll unlock the bootloader? Sorry... not official word, not corroborated, blah blah blah. About as believable as that guy who was posting bogus ICS pictures here for the last couple weeks.
Maybe you need to check your info... The Razr is the #1 selling smartphone at Verizon... even surpassing the iPhone.
I've had great support on all my Motorola phones (my Razr Maxx is my 4th). On this phone alone, I've had 2 updates, and ICS should be here shortly. On my last phone, it started on Eclair, was updated to Froyo, and then to Gingerbread. And in between and after, it's had other maintenance updates, too. What more do you want... a valet to charge it for you when it gets low?
I'm sorry that you didn't properly research your phone before you bought it. But whose fault is that? It's certainly not Motorola's.
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fix-this! said:
were not going to get jellybean.
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*Citation needed
sRDennyCrane said:
Oh, where to begin...
*Citation needed
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not really.
fix-this! said:
not really.
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Again, my last phone was updated from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread. You have no basis in claiming the Razr will not get Jellybean. Unless you have some proof... which I doubt.