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Hi everyone. I got an X2 a few months ago and it has Android 2.2.2 installed. I used gingerbreak to gain root access and then froze all the extra bloat with Bloatfreezer. This morning I woke up to a message about an update to 2.3. I have a few questions about this..
Do I have to?
Can I use gingerbreak after the update and redressed all of the bloat?
I've been wanting to try one of the custom roms floating around on here but I just haven't had the time to do it. Is the update going to ruin my chance to do that for a while?
One last note, I have used this site in the past to help root my D1, but I still don't really know what is happening on my phone when I root/flash roms/etc. I know its unlikely that someone could teach a whole programming lesson on here, but a sticky for people new to it explaining what is actually happening would be a great help.
Sorry for the long post, thanks for the help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1193818
I asked mr clown to add this to the roll up sticky I don't think he got around to it yet, if you follow these directions you will have rooted 2.3.3, there is no gingerbreak app that works on this update, you MUST follow these directions to get root on gingerbread.
Edit: you do not HAVE to update, and I can't answer your other questions without some serious talking out my @$$
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Thanks for a quick reply. I'd rather stay where I'm at right now but it told me on the popup message that I had an hour until it would update. Do I have to postpone every hour now to avoid update?
About 30 posts down this list is one titled 'how to stop autoupdate' its got ways there
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I accidentally updated. I had the phone turned sideways and rotated and then pushed the update later button but after it rotated it was actually the update now button. I decided to let it play out, but after all is said and done, I still have the super user icon on my phone. None of the apps which require root will function but I do have the super user icon present.
Is that just a glitch?
Will it still root properly?
Is there another way to check for root access?
mikeb210 said:
I accidentally updated. I had the phone turned sideways and rotated and then pushed the update later button but after it rotated it was actually the update now button. I decided to let it play out, but after all is said and done, I still have the super user icon on my phone. None of the apps which require root will function but I do have the super user icon present.
Is that just a glitch?
Will it still root properly?
Is there another way to check for root access?
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Super user icon is stuck now, only way to root is to flash back to 2.2.2
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And you should definately do that in my opinion, carrying the superuser icon with NONE of the benefits of being rooted? No reason for that IMO You've rooted previously so you might as well go do this right, follow the step by step intstructions on sbfing back to froyo and hitting up P3s prerooted update file, and as for explaining the stuff how technical do you want it to get... the basic idea of rooting is that its giving you access to the "root" of your phones directories/controls kinda like an administrator on the computer, the flashing/sbfing is simply swapping one or more sets of your phones programing out for another,
their are a couple boring vids on youtube that can show you the ropes of what this development actually is if you can watch a couple times without falling asleep
Yep, you have su apk, but it's not going to work.
You're going to have to sbf back to 2.2 and do the ginger break, etc process to get 2.3 rooted on your phone.
Thanks for the responses. I think I'll give this a go tomorrow. To be clear though, now that there is an sbf, there is no real danger of permanently killing the phone right? Hopefully I wont need it, but it helps knowing that I can't completely screw things up.
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To be clear though, now that there is an sbf, there is no real danger of permanently killing the phone right?
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There is always a chance that you will be the first person to hard brick your phone, but if you soft brick yeah you can sbf back. Like I said if you hard brick you'd be the first person on these forums to do it
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It looks like Motorola has officially updated the device. I found it about 2 hours ago when I was on the road. To my surprise, there is still no thread on this that I noticed.
Hopefully, we can get some info on this update as it pertains to those who either root or unlock. I don't have the information but hopefully, someone will brave it and attempt to get it. Such questions that I would like to see answered include:
- Do you lose root after the update?
- If you lose root, does the dock root method still work? Does the dockless method still work?
- If you installed bootstrapped or unlocked recovery, does this update cause any problems? Are backups made before the OTA still good to use after?
Well, for those of us who are dock rooted, or at least for me, I can say that the update goes seemingly through the entire process and then it comes back and says that the update failed. I check for updates and it is there again asking me to try. Not sure what's up.
This is new and exciting.
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Root is lost with update
My phone updated yesterday and I lost my root. I will try the photon root method again to see if I regain root. I will keep you all posted.
if im not mistaken this is the ota.. on which i can confirm that afterwards you can root again. its just like any other phone tho updating will kill root
Well it will not update for me. "Update failed" every time. I am dock rooted and installed boot strap recovery (CWM). Any suggestions?
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It looks like Motorola has officially updated the device. I found it about 2 hours ago when I was on the road. To my surprise, there is still no thread on this that I noticed.
Hopefully, we can get some info on this update as it pertains to those who either root or unlock. I don't have the information but hopefully, someone will brave it and attempt to get it. Such questions that I would like to see answered include:
- Do you lose root after the update?
- If you lose root, does the dock root method still work? Does the dockless method still work?
- If you installed bootstrapped or unlocked recovery, does this update cause any problems? Are backups made before the OTA still good to use after?
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EDIt: Nvm this is old news bud. Posts everywhere
-DJ
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Lost my root torpedo version
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Re-root after update confirmed
I just re-rooted my phone using the dockless photon.tar method and regained root without any problems.
enigmatl said:
It looks like Motorola has officially updated the device. I found it about 2 hours ago when I was on the road. To my surprise, there is still no thread on this that I noticed.
Hopefully, we can get some info on this update as it pertains to those who either root or unlock. I don't have the information but hopefully, someone will brave it and attempt to get it. Such questions that I would like to see answered include:
- Do you lose root after the update?
- If you lose root, does the dock root method still work? Does the dockless method still work?
- If you installed bootstrapped or unlocked recovery, does this update cause any problems? Are backups made before the OTA still good to use after?
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Welcome to last week!!! j/k. I am glad that you finally found out about the official update. FYI there were tons of threads about ppl receiving the official update. It may not have been on the XDA sites but some of the other fan sites like androidforums, sprint users all posted that the official release was out since last tues, 8/23.
Yes you do lose root but you can just re-root it to get it back. Just do the dockless root. It is wayyyy easier since you don't have to go to a website and dl the tar file.
enigmatl said:
It looks like Motorola has officially updated the device. I found it about 2 hours ago when I was on the road. To my surprise, there is still no thread on this that I noticed.
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When you're looking for old news, you need to look at more than the last few threads.
I heard that Sprint is coming out with their first 4g device soon.... the Evo 4g.
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Okay. Some people are in serious need of a freakin CHILL PILL.
I got my notice of an update a few hours ago. I came here thinking XDA was the place, the hub for this kind of stuff. I checked like the first 20 threads and there was nothing. Neither I nor most other people are going to go through dozens of pages to look for info on this especially when as I typed the subject, XDA's search returned NOTHING.
And a note to the mods, there have been a lot of unfriendly BS answers to very good questions as of late. If a blind eye is turned to it over and over, it is gonna cost XDA it's title in the minds of many that this is THE place for information on the devices that it covers.
So enough of the unfriendly sarcastic BS answers. There's no need for crappy answers like welcome to last week especially when such a post doesn't come with a link.
That said, I will try this one more time. When I try to install the update, it always says update fails. I rooted with the dock method and installed the bootstrap recovery. Does anybody know what could be causing this to happen?
If you are having problems then flash this.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202666
Final build courtesy of the fine folks at MOTOROLA 8/11/11 The sarcasm was in fun. But on your end just think of how annoying it is when this happens on a daily basis. Take a couple of minutes to look through development and see all the crap people have posted. You'll see how cluttered it can get. We do appreciate that you meant well.
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Okay. Some people are in serious need of a freakin CHILL PILL.
I got my notice of an update a few hours ago. I came here thinking XDA was the place, the hub for this kind of stuff. I checked like the first 20 threads and there was nothing. Neither I nor most other people are going to go through dozens of pages to look for info on this especially when as I typed the subject, XDA's search returned NOTHING.
And a note to the mods, there have been a lot of unfriendly BS answers to very good questions as of late. If a blind eye is turned to it over and over, it is gonna cost XDA it's title in the minds of many that this is THE place for information on the devices that it covers.
So enough of the unfriendly sarcastic BS answers. There's no need for crappy answers like welcome to last week especially when such a post doesn't come with a link.
That said, I will try this one more time. When I try to install the update, it always says update fails. I rooted with the dock method and installed the bootstrap recovery. Does anybody know what could be causing this to happen?
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Maybe the difference is the bootstrap recovery installation. I rooted with the docking method but didnt install a bootstrap recovery. The OTA update went perfect today. Maybe it succeeded because i didnt have the bootstrap recovery installed? A possibility?
If you have updated webtop (dockless connection), your OTA update may fail. Replace the files with your original webtop files and the OTA update should work.
OTA update speeded up my photon
My photon is opening apps, emails, and web pages 50% to 100% faster after running the OTA update.
Holy smoking photons! My phone is BLAZING fast, google maps and navigation are nearly instantaneous, YELP populates in 1 second!!!
Isn't this just the leak from 8/11/11?
I don't understand the big deal, or why an OTA update of a leaked rom two weeks ago is being talked about in the development board?
enigmatl said:
Well it will not update for me. "Update failed" every time. I am dock rooted and installed boot strap recovery (CWM). Any suggestions?
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Did you uninstall any system apps after rooting? If so, those will need to be restored.
When you try the update how far does it get? If the phone reboots and gets to the Android guy with the progress bar just press and hold both volume buttons at same time and it will show you the error message.
My Phone was Rooted using the Dock Method... installed the update without any issue and Re-Root it using the Dock method again. Everything still runs like a charm.
I find this for NC. Can we use that method for NT?
I'll look into it.
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I'll look into it.
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Thank you!
I'm a little confused here. Can B&N actually force an update on you? Or is it like the iphone, where they notify you that an update is available and then you decide whether to update or not?
I'm little wary of a company that would force an update to my device, without letting me know or giving me the option to decline. Is this really how B&N works? If so, I don't know if I'm gonna keep my Nook Tablet. I prefer to decide when I'm gonna update, not leave it in someone else's hands.
Anyone know anything about this?
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I'm a little confused here. Can B&N actually force an update on you? Or is it like the iphone, where they notify you that an update is available and then you decide whether to update or not?
I'm little wary of a company that would force an update to my device, without letting me know or giving me the option to decline. Is this really how B&N works? If so, I don't know if I'm gonna keep my Nook Tablet. I prefer to decide when I'm gonna update, not leave it in someone else's hands.
Anyone know anything about this?
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you don't have a choice, the update will appear and update your device. if you look in the nook color thread there was a work around to prevent it I believe. same way google market would auto update without a workaround.
I ran cm7 off of sd and kept stock nook so i didn't really care.
I haven't rooted the tablet yet since I'm betting b&n will patch the loophole and I want to see how things play out. if it is true they locked the bootloader to get netflix hd it kinda sucks. I'm sure netflix didn't have a choice in requiring that either.
yet again, the avg. person gets screwed with the idea you can protect your content when in reality it won't stop people from stealing.
I think the sqqlite method is the best.
I'll try when I will receive my nook
diamond_lover said:
I think the sqqlite method is the best.
I'll try when I will receive my nook
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+1.......................
Well I'm not too technically savvy, so if I can't follow any of the methods to block OTAs, then I guess I'm gonna have to return the tablet. It's a great device but I don't like the idea of suddenly being unable to use 3rd party apps that I paid for from Amazon, as well as apps that allow me to watch divx files, etc. I wasn't even planning on rooting, I'm fine with just sideloading apps. But if B&N removes that ability, that greatly decreases the value of the tablet, sadly. Might as well return it while I'm still within my 2 weeks and seek out a device that's slightly less restrictive.
It's a shame because I've been looking for a tablet for a long time and I really thought the nook might be the one. I guess the search continues.
Don't panic
Again - this is a really new topic. Don't return / cancel your order based on OTA updates.
The devs will come up with something really simple that takes care of it - give them a few days.
diamond_lover said:
I think the sqqlite method is the best.
I'll try when I will receive my nook
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Please tell us if it works on NT
Don't Logon to Avoid Update
I think I have been able to avoid an automatic update by not logging on to BN.com from stock until I'm ready.
APLCoder said:
I think I have been able to avoid an automatic update by not logging on to BN.com from stock until I'm ready.
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Hey that's a really good point actually.
If we don't log into BN.com, how do they even know that we own a Nook?
I haven't logged in and have no plans to do so, so maybe that means my nook won't automatically update?
Perhaps?
jimmysuggs said:
Hey that's a really good point actually.
If we don't log into BN.com, how do they even know that we own a Nook?
I haven't logged in and have no plans to do so, so maybe that means my nook won't automatically update?
Perhaps?
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In order to do this...if we have logged in to the B&N account, can we remove the account without doing a restore?
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downsay said:
In order to do this...if we have logged in to the B&N account, can we remove the account without doing a restore?
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Thing is, if you never registered your nook with B&N- how do they even know you have one?
It's not like there's some central computer out there that detects nooks and updates them when it finds them.
Seems to me (and I could be wrong) that if you don't access B&N services, they have no way of knowing you even own a nook.
Unless the Nook itself somehow "phones home" without your permission- how would B&N know about it, much less update it?
Anyone (more in the know) have thoughts about this?
If I do root the device and it does autoupdate, will it brick my device?
Another good question is, can you use your nook without registering it with B&N?
I'm tempted to restore mine, just to see if I can fire it up without needing to register. I'm never gonna use B&N services, so there's no point.
Another question: can you DEregister a nook from B&N?
Curious...
I was never able to bypass the registration screen after a factory reset. I think you HAVE to register.
Can't you just block the update server in your HOSTS file by pointing it to loopback or something?
On the Nook Color you could manually download the update file and drop it into the root of /mnt/media (I think that was the folder) and it would install when the device was idle. If you can figure out what the file name is you might also be able to create a file with the same name and remove all permissions so that it can't be overwritten (hence no update).
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Another question: can you DEregister a nook from B&N?
Curious...
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Its under the nook settings
anlog said:
I was never able to bypass the registration screen after a factory reset. I think you HAVE to register.
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Yeah I was wondering about that. Well that's discouraging.
However I'm still wondering about what happens if you're never logged into your nook account. B&N can create the update, but how can they push it to your nook if you're not logged in?
Granted with this method you could NEVER log in, but frankly I could live with that.
You can de-register your device by signing into the B&N website on your computer and going to the device section for your profile. I think if you do it from the tablet it will force a factory reset.
Ok.....so I have side loaded apps onto my Nook Tablet and they work great. When the 1.4.1 update came this week I wasn't able to add more apps by side loading, but I really don't want any others, just the ones I already have--mostly Amazon apps for video, kindle, and such which all still work. So I really don't need to root my tablet, but the question that is haunting me is whether B&N will issue a new update that will make my working side loaded apps inoperative. And what would be worse is if they also put out an update that would stop the ability of loading the 1.4.0 from the sd card. And that would mean no one could root who has been updated to that new update.
Any ideas on whether B&N would or could do these things? If so, I think I will want to root as soon as possible, but if not I'm happy with the way things are at the moment and in that case I would leave it just as it is.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.......
Singingdrum said:
Ok.....so I have side loaded apps onto my Nook Tablet and they work great. When the 1.4.1 update came this week I wasn't able to add more apps by side loading, but I really don't want any others, just the ones I already have--mostly Amazon apps for video, kindle, and such which all still work. So I really don't need to root my tablet, but the question that is haunting me is whether B&N will issue a new update that will make my working side loaded apps inoperative. And what would be worse is if they also put out an update that would stop the ability of loading the 1.4.0 from the sd card. And that would mean no one could root who has been updated to that new update.
Any ideas on whether B&N would or could do these things? If so, I think I will want to root as soon as possible, but if not I'm happy with the way things are at the moment and in that case I would leave it just as it is.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.......
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About the concerns you have you are definitely right B&N can do that but as always devs here will try to find a way to fix but as i see it things are getting harder so i will say go for it go back to stock, root and block that OTA that is pulling user's hair . There is a method going to have 1.4.1 with root and working android market but still you have to first go back to stock.
Veronica
I never wanted to root myself (I need root on my phone, not so much on my tablet), I just wanted to be able to sideload. Now that they've attacked that, there's no reason to believe they won't go farther.
If you can't get everything you need/want from the current B&N ecosphere, then not rooting is rolling the dice. Maybe they'll stop with that, or maybe they'll even loosen up and give easy sideloading back at some point (such was the rumor a week ago), but I'm not inclined to trust them at the moment. If you root now and block OTA, then you don't have to trust them.
Okay so I was browsing my phone and happened to run across the System state saying "Modified"
The issue I am having is I have never even downloaded a rooting app. The only thing close to root I have used is called Helium, which does not require root, but it can backup/restore apps+data.
I am slightly worried that if I have to send my phone in for some reason they will see this and say I have messed with the system, although I have not in the first place.
Has anyone else encountered this random issue? Other than that this phone is quite a good phone and I'm pleased with it greatly.
Did you......root your phone?
Sent from my VS985 4G
veteranmina said:
Okay so I was browsing my phone and happened to run across the System state saying "Modified"
The issue I am having is I have never even downloaded a rooting app. The only thing close to root I have used is called Helium, which does not require root, but it can backup/restore apps+data.
I am slightly worried that if I have to send my phone in for some reason they will see this and say I have messed with the system, although I have not in the first place.
Has anyone else encountered this random issue? Other than that this phone is quite a good phone and I'm pleased with it greatly.
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Let me grab a non-rooted G3 here in a few and check. I don't know that they dont all say that. Get back to you shortly. Mine also says this; however, I did root and unlock mine.
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Did you......root your phone?
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Did you fully read his post before replying? I suppose my question is as rhetorical as yours...
My interpretation was that he has not installed one rooting app. One was left to assume he had rooted the phone or did not have a rooted phone which was the basis of my question. And yes I did read his post to answer your question. I would not leave you to assume I did from my response.
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no big deal that it says that. move along
If you go to the Verizon store and look at the G3's they have on display, they all say "modified" instead of "official" however when I received my phone it said "official" until I rooted it.
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Just flash it back to stock if you have any issues. May as well root now anyway. G3 tweak box is amazing!
Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
My unrooted Verizon g3 does not say modified. It says official.
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Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
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Hypothetical.... lets say someone bought it, played with it and rooted it or botched a root and returned it. try root checker in app store. just saying. makes more sense then someone snuck in your bedroom and took it and rooted while you were sleeping and returned it.
Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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As of now, I cannot tell what it was to change it to modified, I went ahead and tried a reset through the settings and it kept the modified status, did a flash restore and it finally got rid of the modified and is now stating Official.
(To note that when it was in download mode it also stated modified before I flashed it with the ToT file.)
I did also find the reason for the verizon server to crash, which I cannot find the location of the thread elsewhere, but it is due to Google+ and one of verizons apps not being compatible with each other and eventually causing verizons app to crash. The only way so far to fix it is either downgrade google+ to stock, or disable the VerizonAvsService to stop the crash at boot.
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Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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I have disabled a bunch of bloat without root and it has not changed to modified.
It's a Fact!!!
veteranmina said:
Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
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I have verified for myself, that my Verizon LG G3 says "Modified" as well, yet it's a fact that I have never rooted or modified any of my system settings... I'm running Stock 6.0 Marshmallow... Go figure... Who knows with Verizon...