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I've been pondering for some time that if Android has the most customization on the earth for a Mobile OS why doesn't the rooted community make a rom? All the current roms out there Whether it be Cyanogenmod, MIUI, Sense, Touchwiz, Motoblur, it's all based and still resembles of what the manufacturers or companies have given us. Even though MIUI has a company behind it, it shows that you can use the rooted community to make something great. We have an abundance of Developers, Themers, Idealists, testers, etc. to do something like this.They could design it, port it, test it, and put more ideas forward. Even though I have nothing of value to offer, I was just wondering why this has not been done, so my pondering can stop.
imagine how many phones you would have to port it to
Not trying to be rude or anything, but think about that statement.
He has a point. A ROM alone doesn't do much if the drivers are missing... and those are not generally available unless you sign a deal with the hardware maker, which isn't exactly trivial for opensource projects. I don't really see any other way than what people are doing now: What other way than grabbing the drivers from the previously installed system is there to get anything to run on the actual hardware?
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Not trying to be rude or anything, but think about that statement.
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yeah i know your first post says we have a lot of developers to do it, but porting isnt an easy job. each phone has their own specifications. some phones cant handle what other phones can. and even if you manage to port most of the rom, there are bound to be bugs. and maybe you dont know how many phones we have here on xda. we're talking about all the phones here and here
Well since it's off of AOSP...? I don't see where you're getting this whole making deals with manufacturers. How ever since most brands have been ported to Cyanogenmod it's not impossible.
Also you would not need to port it to those devices. Not trying to exclude people but I'm just going to take Cyanogen's stance...It's been two years, most people have updated to new devices. Also most of those are not even Android..cmon
How else do you want to get the drivers... you either have to take them from the device, which means leaving enough of the system in place that they'll function (which is what CyanogenMod is doing now), or make a deal with the people who have the original drivers. I just don't see any other ways, do you?
Cyanogen does not make deals with manufacturers and it's well Cyanogenmod not Cyanogenmod+motoblur or Cyanogenmod + touchwiz.
Look I know you guys are pessimistic about it, but it's a interesting and real possibility.
Drivers, not frontends. What I mean is Cellphone chipsets, battery stats and so on... they're still there when you install Cyanogenmod, since they can't include their own... I thought that was part of what you meant with "Community ROM", that these "leftovers" from the original system should go. I'm not pessimistic, just confused.
Well you're only confusing your self. It's a straight forward idea..The community designs it's own UI and from there it is dependent on specific devices developers. It's not impossible, It's only as possible as the community makes it out to because this community is very talented.
Ah... you just want to change the frontend, not the "bowels" of the system... sorry, simple misunderstanding. I read "community ROM" and thought you wanted to go further than what Cyanogenmod is doing, essentially building a full working ROM instead of what is essentially a kind of patch for the system already in place...
Sort of..Think MIUI but by the community
Hmm... could you be a little more specific what you think should be part of such an alternative main user interface? For example, should it do away with the widgets concept if it feels inadequate? Or remap controls and so on. Or should it be "just" a launcher and a fancy keylock?
Well that's not up to me to be frank. The reason why I can't be specific is because it's a community rom, not a Cimer rom
There always has to be a starting point and you (hopefully) have some thoughts on this, otherwise you wouldn't have created this thread, right?
For me, it's mostly about the launcher and "Task Switcher" or whatever you want to call it ("Recent Applications"). Lock screens for me serve only a single purpose and any more than that usually gets in the way. For example, if you place a lot information on it, you have to keep the screen on for a longer period, which will eventually drain the battery if you keep the phone in your trouser's pockets.
Well yes...I have thought about it. Through thinking about it I came to the conclusion that I don't know what everyone wants, and how it will work out. Now I could be the starting point, but to be realistic I can't do it by myself I would need the previous mentioned people in my first post, and the community to get this rolling. This could either be revolutionary or it could just be lost in XDA's countless topics. It will also be hard because everyone has something they're working on.
You need to give people something to discuss
OK, then I'll start.
As I said, the core functions for me are home screen and task switching.
Let's start with the launcher.
Launchers fall mainly into two categories:
1. Searcher
2. Finder
A "Searcher" allows the user to specify more and more precisely what he wants to do. This can either be key presses, categories/labels or anything really that asks the user for traits of the activity he wants to perform.
A "Finder" on the other hand presents most available functions at once and lets the user pick the one he wants immediately.
There are many shades of gray between those two, but that's the spectrum.
For me one level of "Searcher" functionality has proven the optimal level of traits that I can navigate through without ending up at the wrong point too often. Categories, à la PalmOS are still the best thing I can think of, but obviously that's partly due to my history with mobile devices, which has been dominated by PalmOS. How do other people reach their applications?
P.S. May I suggest a title change for the thread? Something along the lines of "What User-Interface 'Experience' would you like on Android?". The "CustomROM" title still confuses me
Done.
If you think about it All roms basically have icons on their home screen in a grid or on a dock of some sort..How would you change that to have the greatest eye candy and functionality.
Well to be honest you can't get away from icons on the home screen judging from other mobile and computer operating systems. So they next question would be how do you optimize that "dock" to be to the user's liking. ADW, Launcher Pro, and somewhat MIUI has provided a little answer to that. You can theme the dock, put 1 to 5 icons on it..But the trouble is to not make it look iPhoneish yet allow the possibility in case someone want to...we don't want that. So what do you do? Also perhaps we could not get rid of the app drawer, but the app drawer short cut. Like there is a little bar or line (depends what shape your dock is) above the dock and you have to drag that up.
Or perhaps having the notification bar on the bottom (top if you wanted to) and improve the notification system
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The community designs it's own UI and from there it is dependent on specific devices developers.
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ah i see now, sorry for the misunderstanding
Cimer said:
If you think about it All roms basically have icons on their home screen in a grid or on a dock of some sort..How would you change that to have the greatest eye candy and functionality.
Well to be honest you can't get away from icons on the home screen judging from other mobile and computer operating systems.
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i came across this...looks pretty interesting to me
I also like this idea, MIUI has done an outstanding job with android, they've added so many things that were never made, but even CM is superior to AOSP or any stock ROM out there. I would like a cool homescreen that's 2D w/ 3D like effect similar to sense 3.0. And the setting menus should resemble honeycomb, it should have extensive theming down to every app. These are just some things I would like to see.
So i've finally got the update, however I really don't like the fact the touch buttons don't work anymore. Surely if you pay for a product with touch buttons you expect them to STAY, rather than the company decide "no, you're not allowed them anymore".
Any way of getting functionality back, or will I have to revert back pre-Honeycomb?
LeeDroids kernel/ROM have HW buttons
I upgraded to HC yesterday and the first thing I did was installing Leedroids ROM and buying Honeybar. The first so I got my buttons back, the second to remove the honeycomb bar when I don't want it. Works perfectly!
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So i've finally got the update, however I really don't like the fact the touch buttons don't work anymore. Surely if you pay for a product with touch buttons you expect them to STAY, rather than the company decide "no, you're not allowed them anymore".
Any way of getting functionality back, or will I have to revert back pre-Honeycomb?
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Why yes, you can have your redundant hard buttons back !
You can send 100,000 Euro to HTC to make a new release , or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
Read a bit, you will learn new things.
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for an extra 20K euro I will add a 5th hard button with the very useful function of "REBOOT and CATCH FIRE"
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or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
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For those that prefer the capacitive buttons, they can install Honey Bar from the Market, and hide the notification bar. In that case, the buttons are no longer redundant.
True, but you cannot get the reboot and catch fire function with that hack.
While Honeybar works most of the time, do be aware it is a root hack and does cause problems with some games and other apps.
Read the comments on market before thinking you have ROM problems if you install it.
for me its better....however honeybar takes up space..... there is an advantage for me with HC on screen buttons because on GB many a tyms my games were minimised when my finger accidently touched the hardware keys... now software buttons r not clicked when i drag my finger onto them.... this is better for me...
DigitalMD said:
Why yes, you can have your redundant hard buttons back !
You can send 100,000 Euro to HTC to make a new release , or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
Read a bit, you will learn new things.
PS:
for an extra 20K euro I will add a 5th hard button with the very useful function of "REBOOT and CATCH FIRE"
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the funny part about your post was..... actually, there wasn't a funny part. usually, aware me if i'm wrong, an UPDATE means that an existing product is made better through it's ORIGINAL state. buying a product with hardware buttons and then having them removed through a supposed update is like buying a car with a CD player and having the inside fully refurbished with the CD player being turned into a a cassette player.
my point being, I was unaware of such ROM's, so asked a simple question to which I received a perfectly good answer. the only input you have given in the thread is repeating an answer and adding unfunny comments with it.
how ironic, you could say you updated the original reply from Aiden the old fashioned HTC way.
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the funny part about your post was..... actually, there wasn't a funny part. usually, aware me if i'm wrong, an UPDATE means that an existing product is made better through it's ORIGINAL state. buying a product with hardware buttons and then having them removed through a supposed update is like buying a car with a CD player and having the inside fully refurbished with the CD player being turned into a a cassette player.
my point being, I was unaware of such ROM's, so asked a simple question to which I received a perfectly good answer. the only input you have given in the thread is repeating an answer and adding unfunny comments with it.
how ironic, you could say you updated the original reply from Aiden the old fashioned HTC way.
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While DigitalMD is obviously a key member to the community his sarcasm and degrading forum posts do get annoying. (Don't take this the wrong way DigitalMD)
I completely agree with you about the HC update. Why HTC didn't provide the option to remove the lower bar and place the buttons back on the touch buttons on the device is beyond me. They removed a key feature of the device that I liked.
Guess I'll have to look into this LeeDroid rom. I was avoiding bothering with rooting. Kind of sick of messing with stuff as of late. Just causes headaches/complicates things.
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LeeDroid is only for Flyer... Any View Roms that add the buttons back?
No View Roms to re-add buttons, huh? Or no one knows how to support the other users on this forum....
I do not believe that View has kernel source. Without it I do not believe the HW buttons can be enabled.
Written word on a website can be taken in many ways. I am a sarcastic ass myself and can see how sometimes comments I make can be taken the wrong way. good rule of thumb, try not to take any offense to anything posted on this forum
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While DigitalMD is obviously a key member to the community his sarcasm and degrading forum posts do get annoying. (Don't take this the wrong way DigitalMD)
I completely agree with you about the HC update. Why HTC didn't provide the option to remove the lower bar and place the buttons back on the touch buttons on the device is beyond me. They removed a key feature of the device that I liked.
Guess I'll have to look into this LeeDroid rom. I was avoiding bothering with rooting. Kind of sick of messing with stuff as of late. Just causes headaches/complicates things.
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LeeDroid is only for Flyer... Any View Roms that add the buttons back?
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actually I wasn't being sarcastic,, I'm just extremely funny. And as far as degrading the forum, well we are here to help the newbies, people that run into problems and developers, not necessarily people that obsess about things that realistically cannot be fixed, but I appreciate your humor. While I do my best to answer and help reasonable questions, when people obsess about things that do not have a reasonable solution or do not understand or accept logical business decisions, I tend to point out the facts. Not everyone likes that. That's OK, I've been through several decades of computer and smart device development, you can't please everyone.
HTC didn't remove the HC system bar because Google designed HC that way and left no room for anyone to change that part of the GUI. They intended the system bar to be a center piece and all the moaning in the world won't change Honeycomb. HTC designed the Flyer, per-Honeycomb, before Google decided that future Android devices shalt not have buttons. Google left a little more leeway in ICS and the system bar can be hidden with a system call. They probably wanted it to act like Windows task bar and auto-hide, but were afraid they would have to cough up even more tribute to Microsoft for patent infringement.
I do like to inject some humor , especially with people don't get basic business principles such as Hardware vendors are not in business to fix every little issue you think you have, they are in business to make money. That often means they build a product that is good, but far from perfect because there is a vast amount of cost difference between good enough and perfect.
you tell 'em. seriously though, I see what you are saying and I agree with what you are saying. I am only saying this because I find when there are problems/issues that can be adequately addressed I feel that you (along with various others on this forum) are quite helpful.
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I do not believe that View has kernel source. Without it I do not believe the HW buttons can be enabled.
Written word on a website can be taken in many ways. I am a sarcastic ass myself and can see how sometimes comments I make can be taken the wrong way. good rule of thumb, try not to take any offense to anything posted on this forum
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Here's to hoping I suppose. Maybe if I get ambitious I'll downgrade back to GB. While I understand why HTC released Honeycomb for the tablet, I don't understand why Google made the taskbar mandatory in HC.
The taskbar really gets in the way when using the tablet with handwriting apps and is kind of annoying when using the tablet for reading. It makes it harder to become fully immersed in the book (as corny as this might sound).
I have 3 words for you:
Honeybar
and another three words are: HideBar
and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
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and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
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I must apologize to you vlara because actually Honey Hide Widget is what I meant to refer to as that is what I use on your wonderful Rom HoneyPot. I use leedroid tweaks for the hardware buttons and am able to toggle between the system bar and the hardware buttons depending on my mood/use.
So, I guess the best option for me if I decide to would be, downgrade to GB, and then upgrade to a rooted HC rom, then install one of these toolbar hiders. These all require root access, correct?
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I have 3 words for you:
Honeybar
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and another three words are: HideBar
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and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
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Hey those make 3 phrases!!
And no, just flash a HC rom.
Has anyone in this forum been able to successfully theme or port aosp settings on a sense rom? I know its been done numerous times on ICS but do you guys know of any for 4.1 or 4+?
Or hell if the ICS version would work on sense 4 with or without a little bit of modding?
Not exactly sure where to start but I'm familiar with VTS and whatnot... Any help would be GREATLY appreciated
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+1
Also I have seen pictures of an inverted sense settings (white text on black) but the dev never posted like he said he was going to, anyone have that.
Let me know if you want it... I'm using it on rebelrom ... Sense 4+, 3.17
Of course I'll credit him for everything, as this was a lucky find on my part
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I will make the bold assumtion that you are referring to me...
I did post, but only for ICS. It was an utter mess and I gave up on it for JB.
InflatedTitan PMed me and this is my reply, just in case somebody might want to take it from where I left it (basically goiung through all the sense apps that create dialog windows or find the xml where this is controlled (probably in un compilable com.htc.resources.apk or even worse (but unfortunately very likely with htc...) in various different locations).
Hi InflatedTitan
Well, as far as porting goes, I have not done it on sense 4 and I don't know what it takes.
As for the settings.apk, I successfully themed it to look as AOSPish as it gets. Only, there where so many issues as I had to change the color of the text from black to white, that many dialog windows which had a white background where messed up. I then spent some time to find the respective files, xmls that control these dialogs but actually never found them. In the end I settled for what I have now, AOSP style but based on sense.
The major problem is that we can't properly de- and recompile the com.htc.resources.apk, where most of the necessary changes have to be made. So the basic process was to check the settings.apk for references to that file and then change them to somewehre we can edit, like framework-res.apk. It takes a lot of time and some understanding how Android works to get this done properly. I then also pushed some files to com.htc where I had to. You know, htc's software is very very messy, there is no direct logic to most of it and they have so many redundancies it actually just makes you want to cry out loud No wonder all the sense versions so far where an utter bloat. Ahhh, just imagine another htc nexus...
I made some documentation here, but it's a bit of a mess.
It outlines all the things I changed (to keep track) and whether the changes actually did someting (green) or not.
Unless you have a lot of time on your hands, I would stay away from it. I am a perfectionist and I just felt it was not worth the effort. And that was quite some time ago, when the One X still was still a relatively new device...
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So yea, best of luck and have fun!
Cheers,
Geen
Hi guys,
Just wanted to make sure i am not wrong, after playing with Launcher on my SGS 3 i came to the conclusion that it's just another Launcher.
I was expecting it to change all the phones themes including dial phone book and so forth, it was a big disappointment especially after waiting 7 days for it to open for the first time.
am i wrong, or what ?
thanks
predatorftp said:
Hi guys,
Just wanted to make sure i am not wrong, after playing with Launcher on my SGS 3 i came to the conclusion that it's just another Launcher.
I was expecting it to change all the phones themes including dial phone book and so forth, it was a big disappointment especially after waiting 7 days for it to open for the first time.
am i wrong, or what ?
thanks
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This is your opinion!
But let's be honest to get your hopes up that high to think an app that don't need root permission can change the look/theme of your whole phone. I think that's the disappointing thing.
If you don't like why not just uninstall job done.
I don't get the point in putting down the app due to your own ignorance. I mean why not take your know how and be the creator of an app that does all that you want it to without root. What's that you can't! That right to do all the things you want you would need root.
I'm sick of seeing posts like this no one say you have to use this or any other app.
Get over it! Uninstall! And walk away!
JOB DONE❇
all the best
Moley
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I agree.
It can't even make coffee!
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Sounds like the OP just didn't read the description of what Themer is before installing it.
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chrisrozon said:
Sounds like the OP just didn't read the description of what Themer is before installing it.
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yep sounds like it
dj_mol3y_x8 said:
This is your opinion!
But let's be honest to get your hopes up that high to think an app that don't need root permission can change the look/theme of your whole phone. I think that's the disappointing thing.
If you don't like why not just uninstall job done.
I don't get the point in putting down the app due to your own ignorance. I mean why not take your know how and be the creator of an app that does all that you want it to without root. What's that you can't! That right to do all the things you want you would need root.
I'm sick of seeing posts like this no one say you have to use this or any other app.
Get over it! Uninstall! And walk away!
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Calm down. There's no need to get upset over a simple question. OP obviously hadn't understood what the app was for. You could have just answered him politely or ignored the thread. He was only asking a question.
predatorftp said:
Hi guys,
Just wanted to make sure i am not wrong, after playing with Launcher on my SGS 3 i came to the conclusion that it's just another Launcher.
I was expecting it to change all the phones themes including dial phone book and so forth, it was a big disappointment especially after waiting 7 days for it to open for the first time.
am i wrong, or what ?
thanks
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Such an app would require root. Seeing as probably a minority root their phones and mess around with it, I don't think it would be with MyColourScreen's time to produce such an app if they wanted to theme everything. Too much code, too many zips to flash, too much theming in general and whatnot.
This app is good for people that want a good luck on their phone. That being said, half the themes on the themer catalogue looks like crap. A lot of it isn't really special in too many ways. Most of them are just cheap with wallpaper doing too much of the work and not the actual feeling of cleanliness. I also don't find these themes to be functional at all in anyway but you either have simplicity or functionality. It's pretty difficult to have both and that, my friends, is why Aviate launcher exists. :good:
Just my 2 cents.
OP: if you want to try the launcher but don't have it currently installed, I can give you a code for it. PM me if you want it. :highfive:
predatorftp said:
Hi guys,
Just wanted to make sure i am not wrong, after playing with Launcher on my SGS 3 i came to the conclusion that it's just another Launcher.
I was expecting it to change all the phones themes including dial phone book and so forth, it was a big disappointment especially after waiting 7 days for it to open for the first time.
am i wrong, or what ?
thanks
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I can understand where you are coming from, I was let down as well...not so much of the things you are opinionating about. What you are asking will require root It is impossible to change dialers and such without a root. Even with root, will be hard to do unless you are running themer found on CM/AOkP and things of that nature.
I personally expected better themes...I knew themer limitation, just didn't think it will be so limited in themes. But hey, it is just beta
im actually looking forward to the time when "My Colorscreen" type themes are available on Themer. Currently everything is a bit simple - not really my taste. I check new themes every few days and a bit underwhelmed.
Again - it is a beta.
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im actually looking forward to the time when "My Colorscreen" type themes are available on Themer. Currently everything is a bit simple - not really my taste. I check new themes every few days and a bit underwhelmed.
Again - it is a beta.
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I totally agree
themer actually is good for those looking for laucher with simplicity in mind. I do enjoyed changing the themes everyday if i feel bored. The customization options have been added from times to time. Since this is BETA, it will changes periodically. Nothing much should you expected from the BETA release. If it's doesn't suit you then go for others final release
I see that there's some fighting here... I'll tell my opinion about Themer then hehe...
It's just another launcher? Yes it is! However it's an innovative, yet simple, launcher, which requires you one click to have a completely reborn homescreen. I downloaded it with higher expectations, so indeed I got disappointed, but I believe with more time more themes will come and one will really attend my necessities. Also I really like to customize my things, so using Themer limited it, as I wasn't able to change anything after installed the theme, all I could do was select a new one.
I have a fully customized 5 screen HS on my S4 using NOVA, why did I do this? Simple: I enjoy doing this. Although I know that there are many people out there who says Android is difficult to use/manage, what I saw is that most of them get "scared" of the homescreen, Themer is a great option for those people, click here and there, done it's simple and the way I can use without any problems .
I still see a WIP though, I am not following it too much to tell further, but I imagine it's not complete, one thing that made me stop using a theme that I liked (other than I preferring my current NOVA customization) was that when you try sliding to the extreme while on the last page will happen just like a normal launcher, the same with the app drawer, it's not customized like it is in the homescreen. I used plenty themes, they were all beautifully designed, but this app drawer thing got me in my nerves , sure, I have the same app drawer in my NOVA Launcher, but I customized my homescreen in a way that it still fits!
My 2¢ to this discussion...
And @predatorftp I'll speak again what everyone already said: What you're wanting requires root access and I think the developer isn't interested in losing a huge part of it's users because of it. Maybe someday they can add a special root feature, but for now I believe they are still busy with the developing of app basis.
tl;dr:
Pros:
Simple and beautiful, anyone can use.
Cons:
Limited functionality, themes "half-baked".
Opinion:
I prefer customizing, so I go for customizable launcher for sure.
The app description on Google clearly states what the app is...
As that threads like this will only bring flaming
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Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?
Imo phone is solid out of the box. I have a 6p to mess around with.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
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"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
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I used hyperbole. The fact remains that reaching out to devs directly will have far more effect than posting threads here.
It's not like they'll magically swoop in here and say "Oh guys, so sorry we haven't made anything for your phone yet, we'll get right on it!"
If you want to see action, post on Cyanogen's forum, open a github issue, or PM/mention devs who developed for LG phones in the past to see what their opinion is.
I can understand wanting to flash ROMs and such, it can definitely be fun, and it's good to have alternatives. But maybe i'm getting old, but i'm a bit tired of it nowadays: the bootloops, certain things not working, having to start over, the time wasted, missing phone calls from your girlfriend because you bootlooped and are constantly booted in recovery lmao. I think OEMs have come a long way since the early days of Android, so i'm usually good with rooted stock now, or a deodexed version. This phone already runs pretty great out of the box, so maybe try and enjoy it as it was made to be. And for sure with the Tmo model rootable, there's xposed, tweakbox, etc. But i definitely understand, OP, even flagship phones don't necessarily have as many custom ROMs as they used to.
The V10 is an awesome phone... But specialty development (cyanogen mod, AOSP) is going off a bit... First off development doesn't just happen... This is a brand new phone model, and although it uses a lot of the G4's hardware, there are a lot of differences, second screen being the biggest, also, t-mobiles version is currently the only one world wide with root access. Further hurting our chances. As for other flagship models, carriers and manufacturers, have been making it harder to root and modify phones... Which has been scaring development away... (why buy a phone you may never be able to modify?) if you want phones with a ton of options for development, I suggest you stick to either nexus devices, and /or something similar to the S series phones... That gets a ton of development... Plain and simple, T-Mobile is the only carrier on earth that doesn't care what you do to your phone. And from a development standpoint, this phone has only been out a little over 2 months, and currently has one model world wide with root access so unless someone Crack the bootloader on other models, or systemless root access becomes a reality with marshmallow, it's probably going to be a slow go... If you really want CM on your V10, (not sure why when you can strip this down to bare bones) you could build us all a rom... Seeing as you believe it's so easy...
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Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
siraltus said:
Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
YrrchSebor said:
Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
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I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
siraltus said:
I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
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Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
YrrchSebor said:
Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
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Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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ZDeuce2 said:
Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
YrrchSebor said:
It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
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It needs in rom support, which we don't have yet, to fully work completely. Probably why it seems like it broke stuff...
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If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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ZDeuce2 said:
If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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LOL! Well, if I knew how to code, I could do it, but I don't... so yeah. Unless adding the support is simpler than recoding a bunch of APKs?
While more development is always great, I'm very happy with debloated and deodexed stock-based ROMs for the V10. @siraltus has done good work, and that's really all I need, the ability to root, run Xposed and be free from bloatware. I'm sort of over Cyanogenmod in terms of actually flashing it myself. The importance of CM in the history of Android can't be overstated, but for a device with such specialized hardware as the V10 (secondary display, DAC/Amp, etc.), I don't think CM would ever be as good as a stock-based ROM.
I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
YrrchSebor said:
I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
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Nothing like a random white text on white background screen and you have no idea what it says... LOL.