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I have a HTC Evo 3D. I'm needing to connect a USB mouse and/or hub. The unusual part is that I will also like to be able to power the phone from an external source like a car cigarette lighter. I have Muscular Dystrophy with limited mobility and will be using a mouse to control the phone. My wheelchair has the ability to power additional devices through a cigarette lighter type jack.
Does this sound possible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I know the latest tablets are getting external device driver capabilities, but I'm not sure about the 3D. The fact we can print from it is promising, maybe after Ice Cream Sandwich or a Honeycomb port?
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derkgates said:
I have a HTC Evo 3D. I'm needing to connect a USB mouse and/or hub. The unusual part is that I will also like to be able to power the phone from an external source like a car cigarette lighter. I have Muscular Dystrophy with limited mobility and will be using a mouse to control the phone. My wheelchair has the ability to power additional devices through a cigarette lighter type jack.
Does this sound possible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello! First, I want to say that I am amazed at people like you. My sister-in-law works with an autistic teenager and the schoolwork he does via his iPod is amazing. I think that he can churn out more schoolwork than I did when I was his age....
Now, to answer your questions - yes, the EVO can be powered via a 12-volt cigarette-lighter jack, so that won't be a problem. On the other hand, the mouse will be. At the hardware level, the EVO is a USB device and it needs to be a USB host (like a laptop or desktop computer) to take input from a mouse. However, I think a simple USB cable hack might solve that issue. I'll see if I can turn up a web page or two about the hack.
Secondly, Android isn't set up to be 'driven' via a mouse, but I have heard that people have done it successfully.
The real unknown is if we can do all these things with the EVO 3D....
If anyone else would care to 'chime in' to fill in the details that I don't know, please do....
when/if this phone gets rooted and we get some cyanogenmod love, it can use mouse input over bluetooth same with keyboard input. im gonna be nice (for once) this is posted in the wrong section. this is the development section NOT Q&A. pm a mod to move to the correct location.
It makes sense for development if he's planning to do the cable hack and write a driver himself.
That said, i am not aware of any micro usb keyboards, and though there very well may be some, especially if you look up blackberry accessories. If that doesn't work, the usb to microusb cable job is straightforward, just lookup the pinouts and match up the internal cables.
As for power while it is plugged in, just use a splitter on your 9v source, and attach one to the keyboard usb power cables and one to the power pins on the hacked microusb plug.
After that, I don't know for the driver, and but as mentioned before cm7 does bluetooth keyboards (and mice?) - can we install drivers without root? How does that work?
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It makes sense for development if he's planning to do the cable hack and write a driver himself.
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The first post is a question, hence this belongs in Q&A whether he plans on developing something is irrelevant since he is not doing so now in the Op
You can pair a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with the stock 3vo. Power the device with a normal charger. Unfortunately the mouse is useless as there is no cursor. The keyboard is novel though. I used a Logitech MX5000 series.
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First, thanks to everyone for trying to help.
Let me explain how I use my PC at home. My wheelchair has a small LCD display for the current mode/status of the chair like power, speed mode, and tilt. Plus it has an infrared transmitter that can be used to operate typical home theater electronics. The chair also has mouse emulation. When in the mouse mode the joystick that usually moves the chair becomes the mouse. The movement is translated and sent out through the infrared transmitter to a USB infrared receiver. The infrared receiver is HID compliant so it works on about everything. I'm hoping to find a solution similar to this on the Evo 3D.
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First, thanks to everyone for trying to help.
Let me explain how I use my PC at home. My wheelchair has a small LCD display for the current mode/status of the chair like power, speed mode, and tilt. Plus it has an infrared transmitter that can be used to operate typical home theater electronics. The chair also has mouse emulation. When in the mouse mode the joystick that usually moves the chair becomes the mouse. The movement is translated and sent out through the infrared transmitter to a USB infrared receiver. The infrared receiver is HID compliant so it works on about everything. I'm hoping to find a solution similar to this on the Evo 3D.
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Maybe send an email to Logitech and see if they can help you... they have a mouse for Honeycomb and may be able to explain house to use the joystick on your wheelchair. Good luck and let us know how it works, could help a lot of people
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/tablet-mouse-android
ianoob said:
Maybe send an email to Logitech and see if they can help you... they have a mouse for Honeycomb and may be able to explain house to use the joystick on your wheelchair. Good luck and let us know how it works, could help a lot of people
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/tablet-mouse-android
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is the receiver that is HID compliant bluetooth capable? if so, you should be able to pair the phone to that receiver and have it working.
Maybe somebody could create an app that would use the front facing camera kinda like the xbox kinect?
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Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to move enough to make the gestures. It pretty much needs to be the joystick/infrared built-in to the chair. Thanks for the idea though.
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is the receiver that is HID compliant bluetooth capable? if so, you should be able to pair the phone to that receiver and have it working.
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it is PS2/USB. A couple of years ago I thought about trying a serial-to-Bluetooth adapter, but wasn't feeling too confident it would work so I shelved the idea. do any of you think that might be worth trying?
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it is PS2/USB. A couple of years ago I thought about trying a serial-to-Bluetooth adapter, but wasn't feeling too confident it would work so I shelved the idea. do any of you think that might be worth trying?
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i dont think it will be possible then unless you got a 3.1 honeycomb device as they have usb hosting abilities. maybe the manufacturer of this input device offers a bluetooth solution?
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i dont think it will be possible then unless you got a 3.1 honeycomb device as they have usb hosting abilities. maybe the manufacturer of this input device offers a bluetooth solution?
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The device I posted does have Bluetooth capabilties, quite a few mice do... the issue I see is that Gingerbread doesn't support the mouse (no pointer) or the driver. Need this bad boy s-off and a Honeycomb port... or somebody smarter than me
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Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to move enough to make the gestures. It pretty much needs to be the joystick/infrared built-in to the chair. Thanks for the idea though.
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I was wondering about possible eye tracking, didn't clarify sorry. I had a friend in grade school and high school with muscular distrophy. Nasty disease, watched him go from running to needing a rod in his spine to sit upright. I hope we can help you figure something out.
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The device I posted does have Bluetooth capabilties, quite a few mice do... the issue I see is that Gingerbread doesn't support the mouse (no pointer) or the driver. Need this bad boy s-off and a Honeycomb port... or somebody smarter than me
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if we get rooted and get cyanogenmod ported that rom fully supports HID
Hey guys, my tablet is still on order at Best Buy *knocks on wood* it is truly horrible that orders are getting canceled :-\
I keep reading that the Prime will support the PS3 controller natively does that mean it will work via bluetooth with the tablet itself or will it have to be plugged into the dock with a usb cable? I did not order the dock because I don't really have the need for it at the moment. This is my first tablet so sorry if this is common knowledge lol. Thanks for the help
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bluetooth seems most logical
They said it would work wirelessly. If even not by bluetooth you could just get little wireless USB piece to put in USB port of it or docked still be wireless. I know they were using that for the logitech wireless controller they were using. Bit supposedly honeycomb/ICS supports wireless gamepads like PS3, xbox 360, wii, n others Through BT anyways.
Cool thanks for the info!
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Ps3 controller uses bluetooth only. I don't see how it can connect otherwise
You might want to read this thread, it appears that app support is a bigger problem than connecting the controller http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371273
Gordon
NOTE: If you have an OFF BRAND Controller ALL BETS ARE OFF. THIS WORKS, BUT ONLY WITH THE SONY BRANDED CONTROLLER
Is this weird, or has support for it crept in in the last few ICS Builds and I missed it? I am not much of a gamer, not by any standard, but I was impressed when I saw video of Games like Riptide and Shadowgun with a PS3 controller.
Only limitation was, they had it cabled and not wireless, but then everything I read while researching said I would need to be rooted and use Sixaxis from the Market if I wanted to pair it wirelessly. I took that at face value and moved on. THEN...
Tried my sones wired Xbox 360 controller, and it worked, mostly... Wanted a better experience and my own controller so tried 3 different off branded controllers, one was a Madcatz (Xbox360) and that worked a little, but not great, then tried 2 others one was a Power A or something like that, forget what the other was. Neither worked at all, Nothing...
So I gave in and got a nice, Bluer, Sony Branded DualShock 3 controller. Used a USB to Mini-USB cable I had laying around, and hooked 'er up. Played Riptide. Wee. Tried Shadowgun.. cool for about 90 seconds... Then I got frustrated when it wasn't easy enough for a 5 year old to play... like I said, not much for gaming. I like racing games quite a bit, and tried Need For Speed Hot Pursuit.. WHEE EE EE!!! kay, enough of that... Then I grabbed an N64 Emulator (actually a few, N64oid, SNESDroid and SuperGNES. Loaded up some old favorites. DiddyKong Racing. Super Smash Bros. etc.
Then I saw it, I was on the .13 build for the last few weeks, no major issues, just generally crappy battery life. But when I was testing some router settings for better throughput, when I went to turn on Bluetooth... whoa... Why does it show PLAYSTATION(R) 3 Controller among my BT devices? Figured it was a tease, no way I had a wireless connection without root.
But no, I went an got the controller, and as soon as I pressed the center button, like a SPLIT SECOND later, that entry went straight to the top of the list, and showed... CONNECTED. ???
Go to a game, and it was soon obvious. It just works. And works amazingly well. I suggest ANYONE that has a Sony Branded PS3 controller, and has not tried it repeat my steps... Just so we can prove this is not a fluke... Oh, and I flashed .14 today, and it still works... I don't care what changed, I am thrilled.
I may even become a serious Gamer! anyone for a real Gamers Hard Core game.. like, uh... what Angry Birds or somethin'?
Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
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Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
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Yep. I hope it works as well for yo as it did for me.. Just cable it and play for a while first... The weirdest part? I never attempted to attch it via Bluetooth. Never even tried!
Heres another guy saying it works, but claims it works even with Bluetooth off (It doesn't - I HAD to try that, knhowing it was BS, but flipped BT back on an all good )
You can use a wireless Xbox controller with almost anything if you have the USB wireless microsoft receiver. I tried it today with SNESoid & N64oid. I am also not rooted and it works without any special app.
I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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News to me. I had the TF101. And you needed it cabled to use a controller - Also, why on earth would you need the DOCK to connect WIRELESSLY? The only thing it ADDS is a USB port (And SD card which is meaningless) For that matter you can get the USB adapter that goes in the charging port to cable the controller to the Prime, if you can find one - I have one from my TF101 - Here is THE video used to demonstrate the PS3 Controller in use with Prime:
You sir are a genius...awesome!
@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
I know it works wireless (the controller) with the Sony Tablet S.
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@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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That "crimped port" is one of the most common smaller charge/data ports for older mobile tech and other things...
It's miniUSB. Just uses any ol' miniUSB to USB cable, and the dock has a USB port which is needed to sync the controller to the Prime...
I don't understand your mini/micro USB comment there, so no real comment on it...
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Right! I should have said it more clearly. Like the next poster says, you have to have the dock (or that adapter) to have a USB port on the Prime; all the tablet has is its proprietary charge/data port.
thanks
gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
You need either Asus Adapter or dock for USB
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@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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Yes, sorry for any confusion. I initially plugged the Dualshock 3 into the dock via a standard USB to Mini-USB cable. I also have the USB adapter that fits in the Tablets charging port, but I rarely use it - Once as an experiment I plugged the adapter into the charging port on the dock, hoping it would provide a second USB port. Logically it could have worked, but that was not the case.
You asked who said the controller would work wirelessly with the dock? Uhmmm Post #5 in THIS THREAD, the one directly before my comment, that I QUOTED in the comment?
And what ARE YOU talking about? No offense, but that "Odd shaped Crimped Port" is a MINI USB... Very common, and was used on more devices, phones, cheap cameras tablets etc, for a while until Micro USB took it's place for thinness. Look up "Mini-USB" in Google, then hit "Images" Very common...
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gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
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The Tablet has NEITHER... The tablet ONLY has a proprietary charging port, but you can add THIS ADAPTER if you do not have the Dock. The adapter and the dock provide full sized USB, so you cable wood be USB (Full sized) to Mini (For the controller) Obviously you do not have a Prime, so why ask all of this?
Adapter here:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
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don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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Doesn't it ship with a booklet? Bought it and haven't checked out the official site or any specs?
It's your microHDMI port to have audio/video out to HDTV's and receivers.
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
iletone2 said:
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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You're not bothering me lol It's hard to convey certain tones over the web I suppose.
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Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
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Right!
Your (micro)HDMI is just audio/video, like more compact (and digital) old RCA cables.
The only way to transfer data over a hard line with the Prime (just the tablet, no keyboard dock) is through it's 40-pin proprietary port: be that through it's charging cable to a computer, or the linked adapter to some other USB device.
Keyboard dock needed?
Sorry I'm an idiot, but do you have to have a keyboard dock to user PS3 wireless controller?
Have someone tried connecting two PS3 controllers at the same time? One with bluetooth and the other one trough the USB connector. Would have been nice if you can play co-op games on the SNES. (Contra!)
Hi all,
I am having difficulty getting my TF201 to sync to my Windows PC via USB, and nothing seems to work. I've already tried rebooting both devices, I've made a Factory Reset on my Prime, tried using another PC (and even an Xbox), and I've even tried purchasing another USB cable, but nothing seems to work. Although the cable(s) charge my Prime just fine. I wondered whether it couldn't be a problem with my Prime's connector, but I'm skeptical since the connector can charge, connect to my mobile dock, and recognize peripherals attached to the USB port on the dock.
When I connect the Prime to my PC via USB, the Prime doesn't show the USB Debugging icon nor the ASUS Sync icon, while the computer also shows no signs of recognition that the tablet is connected, not even on device manager. ASUS support (very crappy, btw) told me to install ASUS Sync on my PC, but no luck. However, my Prime's screen does turn on when I connect it to the PC, which, I believe, indicates that it is doing that painfully slow USB charge, but that's pretty much it.
I normally wouldn't mind, but I want to get root access for my Transformer Prime (running 10.4.2.17 JB firmware), and using ADB/Fastboot seems to be the only way. Is there any other alternative way of rooting the Prime? or is there a way to using ADB/Fastboot wirelessly, without root access?
Any help is really appreciated (this has been annoying me for a few months now).
Having the same problem. Are there any solutions?
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Having the same problem. Are there any solutions?
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The same.It is hardware problem same the green camera. ****ed asus.
My pc says "USB Device Not Recognized". Really annoying. Also my HDMI output no longer seems to function...
I remember having the same problems, which where caused by the android USB drivers of my HTC smartphone
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Ah, I miss the days when the TF Prime could be rooted straight from an apk, without having to use ADB. Ah well, guess I'm not getting Android 4.2 then
Hi, is anybody using wireless keyboard on nst? Wired one works fine for me. But when I'm connecting wi-fi mouse, it doesn't seem to work correctly, there is no control over the pointer. I am asking because that could give me bigger choice of keyboards, and maybe also would help to reduce the battery drain. Thanks
Mouses are not currently supported correctly.
Movement gets translated into KEYCODE_DPAD KeyEvents.
thank you... So does that mean that wi-fi keyboard should work normally?... Sorry, I just don't have any to check myself. I don't wanna buy before someone will tell that it is possible. thanks
Well, there's wireless, Bluetooth and WiFi, all very different.
You could use a regular wireless keyboard with a USB dongle on the Nook side.
That will work fine as to the Nook it looks exactly like a wired keyboard.
USB mode as it is now uses a lot of current.
You time between charging will drop to once a day.
Bluetooth would have been a good one, if only B&N had spent the extra $0.50 for the WiFi module with Bluetooth.
Bluetooth on a USB dongle would have all the drawbacks of the above wireless keyboard but would also require a driver.
Keyboard over WiFi using a PC or another Android device would work.
You'd just need software on both ends.
Many keyboards that say "WiFi" are simply wireless keyboards that use the ISM spectrum the same as WiFi does.
The easy way to check is if the package includes a USB dongle.
Thanks for very detailed answer. Yes, I was thinking only about keyboard with wi-fi dongle. I've already noticed that unfortunately bluetooth will not work. There is a rather small range of portable USB keyboards that are specially dedicated to android devices. I was looking for one with a stand for comfortable typing anywhere I will be... a train, park bench etc.... Or well, you can find many usb keyboards with stands on ebay for example , but they all looks almost the same just with different logos, cheap, poor quality ones. Market is concentrated on bluetooth keyboards, then a lot of them are quite decent. So I'm just going to find a good usb compact keyboard, and then mount some kind of stand to it myself. Anyway, that is not very important for others, this post might be already to long.
ok, my question is: will it help to reduce battery usage in usb host mode, if I'll use keyboard powered by batteries?
Excuse my English. Thanks
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ok, my question is: will it help to reduce battery usage in usb host mode, if I'll use keyboard powered by batteries?
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A good question. And I have a related one - won't using a USB dongle and wireless keyboard take a good bit less current than a plain USB keyboard, because the port isn't supplying power to the keyboard itself? I know to expect things like "It takes more battery life from the WiFi than the current" but I'd just like to know exactly.
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Sorry to bump this old thread (and hope someone might still read this).
I was wondering about Renate's bluetooth suggestion above. I realise it would still not be ideal, but I've got a pretty good bluetooth keyboard for my other android devices and it would be great if I could try it with my nook as well (in particular I'd also be curious to test NOOK!E's question about power demand).
I'm running pinguy1982's tweaked ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2651053) and have been able to connect a micro-USB keyboard (the cheap ones built-in in some cases) using Renate's USBmode app. Now I was wondering if/how I would be able to use a USB bluetooth dongle to connect my bluetooth keyboard. Using the USB app, it seems to be recognised - it says something about a wireless device under View USB when I connect the bluetooth dongle. Exact output is:
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#2 - e0:01:01 Wireless​
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I don't know how to proceed from here though, as there's obviously no menu point for pairing a bluetooth device. I've had a look around for standalone apps for this, but not successful so far (devices that have bluetooth usually have a regular menu for that of course).
Any help about how to proceed would be much appreciated!
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Just found BlueInput, but it just tells me that Bluetooth is not available. I guess that means something else is missing (if this is at all feasible to work).
Oops, sorry, I didn't see this.
The Nook has remnants in the build for Bluetooth support.
That's mostly in permissions and groups.
The WiFi adapter module on the circuit board does not support Bluetooth.
For an extra $0.25 they could have speced the version of the module that supported it.
I guess that it's not a priority for B&N, even the new Nook Glow Plus has the same problem.
Your Bluetooth dongle gets enumerated on the USB host, but there are no drivers to handle it.
This is indicated by the lack of black dots to the right.
A wired keyboard would show you dots.
Renate NST said:
Oops, sorry, I didn't see this.
The Nook has remnants in the build for Bluetooth support.
That's mostly in permissions and groups.
The WiFi adapter module on the circuit board does not support Bluetooth.
For an extra $0.25 they could have speced the version of the module that supported it.
I guess that it's not a priority for B&N, even the new Nook Glow Plus has the same problem.
Your Bluetooth dongle gets enumerated on the USB host, but there are no drivers to handle it.
This is indicated by the lack of black dots to the right.
A wired keyboard would show you dots.
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Thanks for your reply! So I guess there's no hope to get this to work (except for possibly somehow adding drivers, which I'm afraid is probably beyond my capabilities)...