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Just wondering something here. How many devices do you think Verizon is having to replace/refund/take back for light leakage, dust under the screen, broken volume rockers, sunk power buttons, etc etc etc? How much money is Verizon losing over replacements getting swapped, possibly running out of stock for new customers, and losing business because people get sick of trying to find one? Will it get to a point where vzw starts taking the issue up with HTC for loss of revenue? Or am I just thinking too much about it? I've personally swapped 2 devices. And do you think HTC will ever clean up their manufacturing so we don't keep having to accept devices with the least fault simply because a replacement might have worse problems?
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Honestly, this isn't anything new. HTC had this same issue with the EVO. Apple has had it with the iPhone, iPad and iPad2. Those are just the ones I've had personal relations with as I had the EVO, wife had the original iPad, and my niece has the iPad2. My coworkers had some of the issues you listed with their Droids. Nothing has changed and in my opinion, the profits companies make isn't comparable to what you think is a loss. Most consumers don't notice or care about the issue. If they do, their returned device gets sold, or given away, again as a refurbished phone.
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Yeah. I guess you're right. Its just unfortunate that it has come down to this. Do the evos still have the issues even brand new ones?
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The only issue I've noticed is a sunk power button. Which I don't mind since it makes it tougher to accidentally bump it while in the pocket. Plus my case helps too.
Hopefully it won't sink to the point it stops working.
The same day HTC rails on Verizon for crippling their operating system with bloatware...
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I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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Agreed 100%
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I have gotten a Thunderbolt with a blown out speaker and crooked kickstand and another with major light leakage. It was so bad it looked like there were 2 leds on the bottom of the soft buttons under the buttons. When trying to use your phone in the dark it is not acceptable and I don't blame people for being upset. If im going to shell out $600 or sign a contract for something it better not be flawed out of the box.
My phone is perfect. I might have a sunk power button but it was like that from the start so its all I knew!
Love this phone.
Not the best, but not bad
I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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My first thunderbolt, the light leakage, was so bad you could see a steady line of light pouring out, forming a giant U from the bottom of the left side of the LCD, going all the way around to the bottom of the right side of the LCD, where the glass meets the bezel. I'm sorry, but when I'm paying 250 plus dollars for a flagship device, I expect a little quality control. These aren't things we should just have to expect and live with.
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I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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Exactly. At least our phones don't suffer from the death grip.
Then return it and get another one. With any electronic device you can expect a 10% or more defective rate. I'm not saying that none of the problems exist, but they exist with all phones, not just yours. You were just one of the "unlucky" 10% or so.
I'd love to get my hands on phone like the one Daniel Ocean's team procured to give to Willy Bank in Ocean's 13! Laser etched solid gold! Except Androidified! 4.3 inch shockproof screen and armed with a magnetron!
I swapped out today. It just seems unfortunate that issues like the light leakage (it may not be a big deal to some, but others it does matter) are something that people have come to expect and seem to have to live with. Especially when it seems like its as simple as the bottom of the screen not getting sealed as well as it should. Maybe I'm just picky, but ill keep taking phones back until I'm a satisfied customer.
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I swapped out today. It just seems unfortunate that issues like the light leakage (it may not be a big deal to some, but others it does matter) are something that people have come to expect and seem to have to live with. Especially when it seems like its as simple as the bottom of the screen not getting sealed as well as it should. Maybe I'm just picky, but ill keep taking phones back until I'm a satisfied customer.
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And that's fine, the customer should be satisfied. But, there are alternative methods out there to seal the phone from that light leakage. A very small bead of black silicon should do the trick. It just seems like people expect 1000+ dollar build quality from a few hundred dollar device. If you want to take the phone back 50 times, that is your choice. However, being picky is not a build quality issue.
That is fair. But if it comes down to me having to take it upon myself to seal the screen with a small bead of silicon, that, at least in my eyes, is a fix for a build quality issue. And you are right, there is a difference between a 250 dollar device and a 1000 dollar device. However what about the folks that paid full retail for their phone? 599 I think? Are they entitled to expect more from the same device simply cause they paid more? In the end of it all, I don't feel like I should need to add a bead of silicon to seal my screen when it should have been sealed in the first place.
A friend of mine got the TB, and right away noticed multiple specs of dust under his screen. And I'm not talking about 1, maybe 2, he had a dozen or so scattered under his screen. How is that not bad QC? I know we shouldn't expect every device to be flawless and never expect issues, but some stuff just seems like it is easily fixable, stuff that the evo faced a year ago. That the Eris faced 2 years ago. And it keeps recurring in their devices.
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I paid full retail fwiw.
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I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but I still feel like some of the things we have to live with, are things that we really shouldn't need to learn to live with. But how small of a bead of silicon were you thinking? I'm not taking this one back, there are only 3 small pinholes of light on the bottom.
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Hi bro.
It looks like Rezound is the best spec of HTC 2011, but not really that good for my expectation (Display PPI or battery or SW ICS....). Just wonder which main feature you guys look forward to most for your next HTC phone?? HTC should hear our voice for better strategy!
Seems like you have unrealistic expectations.
I'm a big fan of the call button since it is a phone.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
I'm confused. Are you saying the display has too many PPI, or are you saying it doesn't have enough?
Idk how the displays ppi isn't up to your expectations... I think it's beautiful. What were you expecting, 4k x 2k?
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It has 342 ppi, higher than any phone that curre.tly exists. How can you complain
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It has 342 ppi, higher than any phone that curre.tly exists. How can you complain
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Cause he's a nexus fan boy and likes dem pixelated displays.
For me, I think the resolution of the display is about the max you could need in a phone for at least the foreseeable future. Finding individual pixels on this screen is very difficult.
The current performance level is good as well, though who can complain if given more. LOL
All I really want now is better battery life, and a 4 inch screen with a design that fits the hand well. (large screens plus thin profile is uncomfortable to hold and use one handed... think Razr)
I find that the large screens are just getting too big for day to day use, comfort, and ease. 4.3 inch is really the largest I can stand (or really the overall phone size for this range. the Rezound reaches the max size I can be comfortable using) If I could have a device that was similar in size to my old MT4G with a 4 inch screen, current gen dual core, good battery life, and 720p resolution I would be ecstatic.
Even the battery complaint is puzzling. All top shelf Android phones stink in the longevity dept. That problem definitely wouldn't be solved by going to the nexus or razr. From the inspire on att to the droid charge, to the droid bionic, to the rezound, battery life hasn't strayed too far, regardless of specs. But i would definitely like to see all the manufacturers, and Google work on battery management and capacity.
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Even the battery complaint is puzzling. All top shelf Android phones stink in the longevity dept. That problem definitely wouldn't be solved by going to the nexus or razr. From the inspire on att to the droid charge, to the droid bionic, to the rezound, battery life hasn't strayed too far, regardless of specs. But i would definitely like to see all the manufacturers, and Google work on battery management and capacity.
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Yeah better efficiency in both hardware and software is needed.
And getting back to reasonable size screens would help too.
I would like to see the next best come with an unlocked bootloader :-D and have the HTC hub and such
I might prefer a 4" in the past, but only because I hated that all the larger screens had the same resolution as smaller screens making them pixalated, though I can say I do enjoy the extra screen space on the rezound thanks to the high dpi and rez.. I would maybe like to see an led screen without any lines/banding that doesn't over saturate colors. But the SLCD completely satisfies me anyway because it does not have those issues
Everyone wants better battery life of course. I'm impressed by the life I get from my phone. I can easily go all day without charging it...
Maybe an optical rear camera, and a next generation processor and GPU? Hell idk what else other than continuing to optimize android OS and making it even better.
Oh and I guess nfc options lol
Edit: it would also be nice if the re-designed the LED notification light to something a little more visible and multi colored, possibly maybe make one of the soft keys glow or something neat.
As well as multi color soft keys. Though if they moved away from softkeys, I wouldn't mind if they did others might have preference, they should also make on-screen keys color changeable as well.
This is my first HTC phone and honestly might be my last since Verizon doesn't like their stance on unlocking phones. Besides that, when I'm up for a new phone I'm going to compare the specs of all available manufacturers/models instead of being a brand whore and taking up whatever my "fave" is dropping in that time frame.
Battery issues will be over in a few years. Researches are developing a new way to build l-io batteries. These batteries will take 15 to charge and last a few days. Search my posts , I linked the article a few weeks back
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I would like to see the next best come with an unlocked bootloader :-D
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I like how you addressed the entire forum as "bro"
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Why can't all phones come unlocked and bloat free?
I would like my next phone implanted into my brain. Unlocked of course
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On the PPI discussion, I would be curious to know the theoretical maximum beyond which the unaided human eye can no longer discern a difference. I'm sure someone has done the research.
Unlocked bootloader and nfc
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This phone is absolutely awesome. The ONLY drawback it has (and its a MAJOR one unfortunately) is the S-ON lockdown.
Just naively reading about it, the Droid Razr's splashproofing process sounds similar to that offered by liquipel (the guys who showed off their phones working under water). I was wondering how the two compared: does the Razr still work when submerged, etc.
The RAZR is splashpoof, not waterproof. Submerging it in water will net you a very dead phone. If you want waterproofing, check out the Defy family.
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Ah, thanks for the pointer.
That liquipel thing looks bull**** imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgrwR84_Zs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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They both look like the same technology and like you say I reckon there's some embellishment going on with it (put nicely) I think they are more likely to survive a drop down the sink as long as it's fished out straight away than without the technology but I wouldn't test it myself! Maybe when the tech has improved in a few years we may have waterproof phones but not fully yet...
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The RAZR is splash-proof so designed to withstand spills and splashes etc... don't think it is designed to be submerged though. Looking at the Liqiupel videos they always have the phones underwater which gives the impression they are waterproof why else do a demo like this? Found a video from My Fox news that tests Liquipel's waterproof claims and it seems to fail, type in Deal or Dud: Liquipel and you will see what i mean. Pretty informative video.
Hey all, I need some help. I need a camera app or even a system tweak that will allow me to adjust the flash setting of the camera. Currently, we only have ON, OFF or AUTO. There should be an option for soft flash as well. I try taking pictures of my 5 month old niece and every photo I take of her, her eyes are closed because of the bright as hell flash we have on our phones. Any help would be appreciated.
Anyone know of any?
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How about taping a piece of white paper over the flash?
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Wow..... Next idea.
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Wow..... Next idea.
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You do realize clear tape and/or thin white paper actually does work on cameras, right? No, you wouldn't know because your an ass and dismissed an idea without even asking questions.
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Im not an ass, I just dont believe in sticking crap to my note when I'm sure there could be a software solution to the idea. NEXT!
Found this online....
HTC has an alternative API that supports this, however it's only on HTC Sense devices, and as of Gingerbread they've changed the permissions so it's only for their Flashlight app, not third party ones (unless you use root).
But on 2.2 HTC devices you can use it by writing a string to /sys/devices/platform/flashlight.0/leds/flashlight/brightness. This controls if the LED is on and how bright it is. For maximum brightness write "128\n", half brightness write "64\n". Easy to test from adb shell:
echo "128" > /sys/devices/platform/flashlight.0/leds/flashlight/brightness
And finally turn it off by writing "0\n" there.
Would Devs be able to use this info to create a system tweak to provide options for the flash intensity for the user?
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Im not an ass, I just dont believe in sticking crap to my note when I'm sure there could be a software solution to the idea. NEXT!
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The way you responded was pretty douchey, just saying. Especially since it's a valid idea. You could cut a tiny square of matte scotch tape to stick on the flash and you wouldn't even notice it on your phone.
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The way you responded was pretty douchey, just saying. Especially since it's a valid idea. You could cut a tiny square of matte scotch tape to stick on the flash and you wouldn't even notice it on your phone.
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Originally Posted by adv1sory
Im not an ass, I just dont believe in sticking crap to my note when I'm sure there could be a software solution to the idea. NEXT!
1-starred for ignoring fixes that you asked for, NEXT!
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1-starred for ignoring fixes that you asked for, NEXT!
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So if I had signal issues, would you recommend I shove an antenna in my headphone jack?
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So if I had signal issues, would you recommend I shove an antenna in my headphone jack?
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Put a piece of thin tissue over the flash. This is an easy thing to do especially if you have a case on your device. Stop being a **** to people, atleast they are tryin to give you a solution to your problem. You should thank them not lash out at them.
You're right. I apologize to all that i have offended.
Now can we have a solution to this problem that doesn't require adhesive or paper or anything even close to this type of solution. Please, only software related solutions.
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In OP's defense; they did ask for software or app tweaks, not physical mods.
In defense of the other responders; using white plastic and/or cheap invisible tape IS a method used even by professional photogs to get that soft, dreamy glow. As mentioned in another post, if you have a case and are needing a semi-permanent solution, cut a small square out of a shopping bag. Use layers and different color bags to achieve the results that you're looking for.
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The best solution is to take the picture of your niece in the day time WITHOUT Flash. Problem solved. Pictures with flash have little quality compared to daytime captures IMO.
My gf hates that I keep closing my eyes when taking pictures with flash at night. I guess I will bring sunglasses with me at all times.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
Take pictures with out flash in lighted areas
then you can maybe use filters or a camera app that can give you different filters to enhance the brightness of the picture
in dark areas idk ....it is a bright flash and dont know of any apps/mods to dim the flash
and i wouldnt stick anything to my Note either
it hurts to have it in a case but i have to protect it lol
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Take pictures with out flash in lighted areas
then you can maybe use filters or a camera app that can give you different filters to enhance the brightness of the picture
in dark areas idk ....it is a bright flash and dont know of any apps/mods to dim the flash
and i wouldnt stick anything to my Note either
it hurts to have it in a case but i have to protect it lol
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And that's why I responded the way I did before. I'm OCD about keeping my phone immaculate and sticking things to it makes me cringe.
Now there has to be a solution. I prefer taking pictures with flash indoors because if not, i notice the pics turn out pixelated. (in my home atleast)
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According one of the headlines on the main page of XDA, "Dim Capacitive Buttons on HTC Rezound Running Sense 4". A dev was able to dim the captivate buttons on the HTC Rezound and we can't figure out how to dim the flash?
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According one of the headlines on the main page of XDA, "Dim Capacitive Buttons on HTC Rezound Running Sense 4". A dev was able to dim the captivate buttons on the HTC Rezound and we can't figure out how to dim the flash?
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I don't see how they are related. You can dim the capacitive buttons on the atrix as well. I don't think there is huge demand for dimming the flash...
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Let me understand the problem
Niece is only available for pictures at night and or in dark basements...?
Solution:
Just carry a halogen flashlight with you at all times, or a candle is good too but could burn if placed too close to skin
If the flashlight is too bright for her eyes you can cut a piece of tape and cover the lense..
Now is good and your note doesn't have any glue from tape.. Problem solved, Leave a "thanks" bellow please.
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Okay, so I woke up this morning and I noticed what appears to be a patch of dead pixels or a screen bleed on the upper left hand corner on my EVO LTE. To be perfectly honest I'm not sure which of the two it is as I have been fortunate enough to not have this issue before. I attached an image in hopes someone can tell what it is exactly, and if it's covered buy the manufacturer's warranty. Either way it kinda blows because if it is covered I know they would probably just send me back a device with the new Hboot. But I just can't take my eyes off of that damn patch :crying: .
Shizz
Yeah its covered as manufacturers defect
I just noticed the same problem with mine. (see attched pic) I baby phones and it has never been dropped. So what did you end up doing about yours?
--Steve
Are you're screens clean are you sure that those are dead pixels
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Yea I'm sure, my screen is in perstine condition...its more like a bleeding pixels
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it might be cover under warranty if the repair facility does find any signs of CID (customer induced damage). but that will only matter if you are not unlocked and/or rooted. just a heads up
edit: and yes OP, you are correct. when you got your phone back, it would be updated.
It will be exchanged most likely with no questions as screen issues ate covered under manufacturing warranty. As far as the rooting, Sprint allows rooting so only thing that could hold you back is signs of damage resulting from you opening up the cell which doesn't appear to be the case. If you return to Best Buy it should be new exchange without any questions, they have been the best for me so far.
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It will be exchanged most likely with no questions as screen issues ate covered under manufacturing warranty. As far as the rooting, Sprint allows rooting so only thing that could hold you back is signs of damage resulting from you opening up the cell which doesn't appear to be the case. If you return to Best Buy it should be new exchange without any questions, they have been the best for me so far.
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you may in fact be correct as far as sprint goes, but HTC will be a different story. and in my experience, all carriers refer customers back to the manufacturer in cases like that anyway.