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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
I'm going to leave this open for the time being with the understanding that the thread may be closed by the designated Moderator for this forum the moment the thread goes off-topic.
I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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I think it is a fair enough question to post... but I ask you, what is it that you hope to answer or establish? Guidelines to correct nomenclature? E-peen? I just don't quite get the nature of your interrogatory...
hilaireg said:
I'm going to leave this open for the time being with the understanding that the thread may be closed by the designated Moderator for this forum the moment the thread goes off-topic.
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Kudos to you... that is exactly why a functioning MOD committee is a great thing for XDA. I applaud your commitment to open discourse.
MV10 said:
I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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Also very fair point...
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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Soo, you call two set of dev teams just skinners.. and one team coders, yet expect not to start a flame war?
I also don't know how you get "many of master's axura roms" there is only ONE axura rom.. And if you look at features, you could tell that it is not just a "Skin" you could also tell that in the change-logs if you looked past "Just framework mods" framework mods aren't just images btw.
If you honestly don't want to start a flame war, it is best not to post these types of threads.
I've considered this question myself and the answer I've come up with is, I don't care.
Whether they're truly writing new code or just reskinning or theming it's still more than I can do. They do it in their spare time and offer their work to us for free. So I guess my question to you is, what difference does it make?
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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I have a pretty strong suspicion that the OP is a developer and is trying to pull the "harder-core than thou" card, so it seemed appropriate at the time.
There is ALWAYS somebody better than you. If you're smart, you'll call those people "employees."
I agree with that I don't really care, as long as who ever it may be, don't start releasing garbage that bricks my phone, I'm content.
I don't run an empire of $888.000.656.99...gabillion dollars with 2 interlaced brains that can code the matrix's live wallpaper, but in my little, I'm able to flash a ROM or 2.
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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When you write something remotely as good as Axura or V3 then you can make these statements.
Until then you're just being an ignorant troll.
The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
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I have to agree with this. I remember on Obsidian V5 Sombionix listed in the change log in great detail what he changed including userscripts and kernel tweaks only to be bombarded with questions about what they meant/do. A lot of the users don't understand the technical aspects and just want something "cool." Devs already get blasted with a barrage of questions and really don't need to add more fuel to the fire so to speak. It seems the OP more or less called TW and Master "skinners." The above says otherwise regarding TW and as for Master just look at the layout of his latest "beast" not to mention the Sense port he got booting on our phones. I would definitely call this development, wouldn't you agree?
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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I know you were only making a joke, but basically (using it as an anology of course) yes. Is a kid that picks up an instrument for the first time a musician? Yes. Is he good or does anyone care that he's a musician? Probably not (other than his parents). Should he share his work with the world? Again, only his parents should hear it.
The point isn't "are you or aren't you a developer" it's simply a mater of what we percieve as different levels in skill. This doesn't even mean that our perception is accurate, but we're entitled to our opinions. And if you think a developer should have kept his work to himself or herself, then don't download it, and all is right in the world.
So yes, if you develop crap, you're still a developer, just maybe shouldn't share your product with the world
Zip Developer, Cyanogen and his Merry men or somebody dropping pure source I can careless. They contribute more than half the downloaders and requesters wanting more.
I say let them do their Jobs and be greatful they are here. Use somebody elses work and give them credit as long as its an option. I like options
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What's up fellow Evo 3Ders??
Let me first start off by introducing myself. I'm BThomas22x, and up until today, I Developed exclusively for the Samsung Epic 4G. This has obviously changed though, because today I got myself an Evo 3D, and will now be Developing for this device as well. If you guys need any credentials for anything I've done, feel free to go to the Epic 4G Dev section and just look me up. I've done numerous things for the community, such as: porting Ubuntu, Developing ROM's, Developing Kernels, and countless contributions to Mods and helping other Developers with their ROMs, and/or Kernels. I actually have a friend that came to the 3D as well, Sniperkill, if anyone is familiar with him, feel free to ask him as well. Now, onto the reason for this thread.
Since I will be developing for the 3D now as well, I'm going to need a team. I prefer to have people that actually have experience, however, experience is not necessary. To be completely honest, if you don't have any experience, I will personally work with you to start you out on themes or something simple. Also, as of right now, I do NOT have a team name. My team is Team Viper for the Epic, but seeing as how someone already has that team name for the 3D, I will have to think of something else. Once the team is created, we will, as a team, decide on a name, unless I think of something really cool before then lol . Anyways, If you are interested, you can reply to this thread, or you can shoot me a PM. Give me a little something you've done, or if you have no experience, let me know and we'll work on getting you started.
Thank you all, I appreciate the time you took to read this. Feel free to hit me up any time, even if you're not interested in joining, and you just have a question. I believe in having a strong community spirit, and maintaining a drama free forum. There were some issues in the Epic forums with people being demanding or just causing drama with the few Dev's there were, so hopefully this community is a bit more peaceful lol. The only rules that I have for the team are actually really simple. They're the same rules for the entire XDA site. If you use someone else's work, give them credit, as well as please be respectful of other Developers as well. This is a community, so let's work together and make one of the best phones on the market even better.
Thanks again guys,
BThomas22x
My knowledge of Android is nowhere near yours, and I have a lot to learn, but I wouldn't mind trying if you go easy on me
LiquidSolstice said:
My knowledge of Android is nowhere near yours, and I have a lot to learn, but I wouldn't mind trying if you go easy on me
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The force is strong within this one. Anyhow, my knowledge in regards to android development is poo, but I am thinking of self teaching myself.
Wouldnt mind helping out. I'm pretty good at theming, just learned how to make skins, and learning new things. Also know how to make splash screens.
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I'm actually quite interested now. You seem like a great guy who's really willing to help out the less knowledgeable, I have a feeling this might be really cool to do
I am interested but my knowledge of android isn't that great however I am self taught computer builder/fixer and I have programed in Basic, C++, Perl and others probably not worth mentioning all self taught though (Right now my programing skill is weak as I haven't done any in 10+ years) but I am a super fast learner and would love a little guidance to give some back to this great forum.
I will happily join. I'm not much if a developer, but I want to learn more. I have designed websites and could learn rom theming, and with time can learn devoloping.
P.s. are u going to stick to snake names for the team name?
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I know very little and when I say very little I mean nothing lol. But I am willing to learn. If that counts. My profession is in It and system admin. Also I run a Pc repair business on the side. Self taught all the way. Only been dealing with android for a little over a year and a half. Started with my hero and now I'm on the 3d. If your team can use a guy Like me then I'm all in. I got time and dedication. Figure I can sleep when I die.
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I'll help, I guess. I know nothing fancy about developing, but I have made a theme and an app.
PM me If you want a noob with (possible) potential.
I dont know crap, but im bored with alot of time on my hands and would love to learn about cooking up Roms. Count me in.
I Haz 3D!
I've screwed around with kernels, ROMs, and such, but never actually built and flashed one. I'm still learning from resources on this site and elsewhere. I would love to help you out, and learn alot in the process. PM me if I could be of use. Or, [email protected]
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BThomas22x said:
What's up fellow Evo 3Ders??
Let me first start off by introducing myself. I'm BThomas22x, and up until today, I Developed exclusively for the Samsung Epic 4G. This has obviously changed though, because today I got myself an Evo 3D, and will now be Developing for this device as well. If you guys need any credentials for anything I've done, feel free to go to the Epic 4G Dev section and just look me up. I've done numerous things for the community, such as: porting Ubuntu, Developing ROM's, Developing Kernels, and countless contributions to Mods and helping other Developers with their ROMs, and/or Kernels. I actually have a friend that came to the 3D as well, Sniperkill, if anyone is familiar with him, feel free to ask him as well. Now, onto the reason for this thread.
Since I will be developing for the 3D now as well, I'm going to need a team. I prefer to have people that actually have experience, however, experience is not necessary. To be completely honest, if you don't have any experience, I will personally work with you to start you out on themes or something simple. Also, as of right now, I do NOT have a team name. My team is Team Viper for the Epic, but seeing as how someone already has that team name for the 3D, I will have to think of something else. Once the team is created, we will, as a team, decide on a name, unless I think of something really cool before then lol . Anyways, If you are interested, you can reply to this thread, or you can shoot me a PM. Give me a little something you've done, or if you have no experience, let me know and we'll work on getting you started.
Thank you all, I appreciate the time you took to read this. Feel free to hit me up any time, even if you're not interested in joining, and you just have a question. I believe in having a strong community spirit, and maintaining a drama free forum. There were some issues in the Epic forums with people being demanding or just causing drama with the few Dev's there were, so hopefully this community is a bit more peaceful lol. The only rules that I have for the team are actually really simple. They're the same rules for the entire XDA site. If you use someone else's work, give them credit, as well as please be respectful of other Developers as well. This is a community, so let's work together and make one of the best phones on the market even better.
Thanks again guys,
BThomas22x
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I am extremely interested. While I don't have a lot of experience, I am teaching myself, with the help of a friend. I learn very fast. I am actually in college for Software Engineering. I would love to join your team.
Ps: Team Redline would be a pretty cool name. I was wanting to get my own team started and was going to use that.
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Count me in. I know java programming but have no idea on android development, it would be nice to learn and help as much as I can.
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im in the same boat as laie and liquid, i am coming from the hero.. i have a lite programming background, and am currently teaching myself with the aide of a few people how to build kernels and theme.. i dont need to be on the team specifically since it looks like there are a ton of people vying for a position, but if you need a dedicated tester, i could be of help.. i am very good at troubleshooting, and finding bugs.. if you want any assistance and think you would like what i can do, just pm me..
Interested ... I can help with hosting, WiMax special settings and testing, Airwave Stuff, Software, etc etc...
ADB skills - Average
Tech Skills - Hardware, Special tools, Jtag
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Interested ... I can help with hosting, WiMax special settings and testing, Airwave Stuff, Software, etc etc...
ADB skills - Average
Tech Skills - Hardware, Special tools, Jtag
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Teach me how to Jtag! Lol.
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Intetested, made roms for nexus 4G and helped with 30 fps cap on EVO 4G, not familiar with 3d though...
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HEY BT!!! It's awesume to see you developing over here for the E3D!!
Let me tell you guys this, BThomass22x is a VERY talented developer! If any of you know, he was the chief developer for viperROM for the Epic 4g. His Roms were FAST, stable, and very well themed! A VERY talented developer!
It's good to hear from you again BT!!
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I am very intresting and would love to join! I dont have much knowledge but I am a quick learner
If you still need help, I'm down. I started on the OG EVO and built my own roms and themed them too, as well as compiled my own AOSP rom for it. I don't have much knowledge with Sense 3.0 yet but got a base rom last night to start ripping up and customizing. Also, I'm ridiculously keen on Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator, so I could help with making sigs for the team or making cool wallpapers for the ROM.
It would take me a while to catch on to customizing ROMs for Sense 3.0 simply because I'm used to the OG EVO but would be happy to help.
Hey guys, I am using Leedroid ROM v.5 and I want to know which kernel is the best for battery life, performance, beats audio and stability? I own kernels from Lee and from Chad as well included the "forbidden" ones. What do u prefer? I dont know the difference..
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Hey guys, I am using Leedroid ROM v.5 and I want to know which kernel is the best for battery life, performance, beats audio and stability? I own kernels from Lee and from Chad as well included the "forbidden" ones. What do u prefer? I dont know the difference..
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im gonna be 100% truthful, even though it is not to my benefit to be..
my source is public how, and i offer features no one ever has in the past.
people like leedroid and others are prolly already making use of these features into their kernels, such as ics/sense 3.5 hw acceleration and better sound drivers what include native HTC 2way call record...
i have not commited HBR bluetooth or usb hostmode or other mods yet, since my previous ones are being used, and no one is giving credit.
so, since others are using my work as well as theirs... its basicly up to who you want to use...
the more commits i make, i know the more i will be kanged. nothing i commited yet is anything major - just a base, updates, and minor changes, and porting drivers from 1 device to another. my future modifications involve serious time and effort, and as of now with the kanging going on, im not 100% sure i will ever commit those for release here on XDA.
sorry if i sound like an ass - but the previous drama caused by what people "assumed" i did cost me a lot of time and money. and now others are doing the same i was accused of, but i got screen shots to prove it...
all i want is everyone to do what they expect others to do... -- is this asking to much?
Yea I'm looking for a good ics kernel. Guess I'll wait til Chad drops his.
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Yeah, that's ****ed up Chad.
Chad's kernel for the win.
to be clear... from what i can see - leedroid seems to be giving proper credit.
the 2 people who had an exact copy of my GIT on github with NO reference to me or my git had pulled their repos last night.
I believe Chad is better but when I am using ROM from Lee.. Maybe his kernel would be more stable on his own ROM
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Chad man its a shame what's been goin on lately, I've been flashing every single one of your kernels and only your kernels since I noticed u back in September. Every kernel release has improved my experience with this device, and frankly u are the only kernel dev I follow and respect. The lazy half ass so called devs that kanged your source are worthless to me and a whole lot of others who follow u and your work. They know who they are and its only obvious who they are, IMPOSTERS! Instead of a thanks button on the bottom of their posts they should implement a f**k off button, they would then have thousands of middle fingers they could look at each time they log in. Keep up the good work Chad. Without people like u Chad them haters wouldn't have anyone to envy and hate on and bite.
chad thanks for the great work for real... i have tried many urs is most stable.. and sure if someone is using ur source will be as well... but thanks for being open and clear.... go man.. cant wait to try urs on ice cream... chad are u going to make any work for galaxy S3 when it comes.... it will be a killer... thanks again for all ur work
Thanks again for all your work Chad. I flashed your kernel last night and it's very stable with no issues. I used Clockwork Recovery to flash because I didn't have TWRP installed. Does anyone know if I should have any issues or does this not really matter?
Hey Chad does your kernel have any adverse affects on OG Evo 4G or would you say they are more a EVO 3D kernel...sorry if this is a dumb question but after all I am a noob
Chad my man I gotta say without a doubt u r the kernel king and for those kangers out there.... [email protected]#k off and get a life. The rom I run has always had ur kernels and always been stable. No random reboots or anything. I am soooo glad ur back an glad I still have a few of ur older rls. Thanks bro
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Chad my man I gotta say without a doubt u r the kernel king and for those kangers out there.... [email protected]#k off and get a life. The rom I run has always had ur kernels and always been stable. No random reboots or anything. I am soooo glad ur back an glad I still have a few of ur older rls. Thanks bro
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all i want is everyone to do what they expect others to do... -- is this asking to much?
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I've just come in fresh, been here at XDA for only a few days and so I've missed most of this story. But, what is adamant is the politics of this entire industry.
Corporations create industry, that's what they're designed to do. But, when they also attempt to govern outside their market, it's the restrictions imposed that may unwittingly enforce the like of scavenger type behavior. Not only with developers, but down to the end user and all in between.
Whatever you determine to be 'Open Source', in any of the many flavours out there, it'll remain as the prime victim; within its own industry, other industries, marketing, and aggressive closed source realms. The balance can only go to members of the bar association whom happily trump first place in the share of cash.
So, you'll have kanged devs, pirates, believers, non-believers, and all the like.
But, with all the politics, ramblings, hostility and time off, it can only make one fear the resilience of what actual leading talents remain.
...so, as quoted above...
WTF GAF GOI and game on!
:: No offense to lawyers, just sticks and stones.
binaryhabit> That is possibly one of the hardest posts of which I've ever tried to make sense. lol.
To everyone else> What's with the hate of Kang's? As long as chad is getting his representation for his work in those kangs, there isn't a problem. If anyone does not acknowledge the hard work of others when they use there work.. then it should be flagged up. There is no need to start suddenly having a go, and trying to take sides.
Chad does a lot of good work, congratulate him and support him, and point out where others should be acknowledging his work if they have used it.
This all doesn't help answer the OP's questin however.
To me, the answer is just try the ROM's out, and see which works best for you.
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binaryhabit> That is possibly one of the hardest posts of which I've ever tried to make sense. lol.
To everyone else> What's with the hate of Kang's? As long as chad is getting his representation for his work in those kangs, there isn't a problem. If anyone does not acknowledge the hard work of others when they use there work.. then it should be flagged up. There is no need to start suddenly having a go, and trying to take sides.
Chad does a lot of good work, congratulate him and support him, and point out where others should be acknowledging his work if they have used it.
This all doesn't help answer the OP's questin however.
To me, the answer is just try the ROM's out, and see which works best for you.
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A recognized developer with grave concerns about their code not being correctly authored, thereby "kanged", by other developers in their own projects; all the while being the only accused of breaking these license agreements.
Chad Goodman had made their comment public and I simply decided to comment on that.
If your understanding is incomprehensive of what I said, then I can only surmise your own bias.
Because, I simply agreed with the comment, not the author in their entirety; as I simply don't have the full details.
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A recognized developer with grave concerns about their code not being correctly authored, thereby "kanged", by other developers in their own projects; all the while being the only accused of breaking these license agreements.
Chad Goodman had made their comment public and I simply decided to comment on that.
If your understanding is incomprehensive of what I said, then I can only surmise your own bias.
Because, I simply agreed with the comment, not the author in their entirety; as I simply don't have the full details.
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to set the record straight - for the last time - i will not discuss this issue on xda ever again, and i hope XDA staff leaves this post for all to read.
a xda RD broke the rules of XDA and trashed my threads and was allowed to get away with this. this rd accused me of kanging his work. to define the work kang = "to use ones work without giving proper credit, or claiming the work as your own"
the rd encouraged his followers to trash my threads as well - this rd and the followers never had any business the the 3d threads.
yes - i "some" of this RDs gpu related code in my very 1st kernels - but this is not kanging as credit was given in my OP and other users on XDA found proof of this using googles cached pages, that had copies of my OP where credit was clearly given.
(these screen shots were posted within my threads - but later got deleted by xda staff)
i, as well as other users simply posted screen shots that proved credit was given - but xda mods and admins decided at the time to delete this evidence, but left the posts accusing me of kanging - this was very poor judgement on XDAs part, put with the fact the other RD was allowed to break several of XDAs own rules with zero repercussions in it self is evidence of favouritism.
i was later accused of kanging yet someone elses code, who was a moderator of this specific forum. but yet, my commits on my public git repo were dated 2 weeks before the commits of the other developer. how can i kang someone when my commits were public 2 weeks before that of the other developer? to some (well most) people, since the other developer is more "well known" is the only facts considered when i am accused of kanging - not googles cached web pages, or GIT commit time stamps - once again, screen shots were posted, XDA's staff deleted my entire thread and screen shots, while leaving posts accusing me of kanging - more favouritism.
it comes down to this - every time i was accused of something (yes every freakin time), the accusing had zero proof. i had google's cached web pages to back me up, but most of the xda users may not know this because - xda's staff deleted my posts.
to test the fairness of sr mods on xda - i honestly found several RDs on xda who do not comply with GPL, and yes, about 80% of xda RDs do not comply. - i reported these threads, and some, 3 months later are still not complaint with gpl - but do you or other people care? no...
people were on my ass because I did things no other developer on XDA has been able to do - so other developers wanted my code, so they could appear to be as great as the XDA users make them out to be.
people were NOT and ARE NOT on the asses of the existing RDs who fail to comply with GPL, because they have not done nearly as much as i have. want specifics, look at XDA USER feed back in my threads... or ask other xda users - dont take my word for it.
i never once said i was better than any other developer, and I never will say that, so dont say i did.
and yes, some of what i had done was because i had access to closed source code
but some stuff was all me - such as 100% stable working kernel on hw001 and 2.17 based roms - and 90% working, 100% stable on hw002 and 2.17 based roms - every other kernel for the 3d has reboot, lock up, and misc issues on 2.17 - mine dont. (again - dont take my word for it, read the threads here on xda)
kanging.... how can i kang something that dont exist? how can i be accused of kanging when my commits were weeks prior to the ones i kanged??
leedroid himself is a good developer, and is one of the few who is gpl complaint.
and yes, i removed my non-gpl complaint kernels from xda, and made a gpl complaint one - not because XDA said i had to, cause i did not have to due to a NDA. i did it in a attempt to reduce drama. i have chat and email transcripts from XDA staff that state my beats kernels are in fact exempt from XDA's gpl policy. again to make everyone happy - i pulled them from xda, and made the same kernel but without beats, and on a HTC base.
to this day, i see my commits on my public repo (that us no longer public as of 3-12) on other well known developers gits with no credit given - time stamped WEEKS after my commit - but im accusing of kanging them??
EXAMPLE #1:
-i make a thread on XDA and create a repo on 1-7-2012 for a specific type of kernel - i commit and sync my git, so all of my code, and commits are public.
-a well known developer who has been on xda for years as a RD creates a repo on 1-20-2012 for the same type of kernel and commits all his files
------->based off of the time line there, my work was done 1st. im not gonna say he kanged me cause i never compared the repos. all this developers followers accused me in public forum on xda of kanging him (as well as private message, gtalk, and email). i was accused because this developer was on xda longer than me, and is more well known. the fact is i commited 1st, therefore i did not kang.
EXAMPLE #2:
today (03/14/2012) i browsed GIT repos of several "well known" and "great" developers. knowing my repo was created and my files commited on 1-7-2012, if i see the same exact code in another developers git commited AFTER 1-7, i should receive credit for it. when in reality, several developers have used my code, and made their commits after 1-7, but since these developers are more well known and have been on xda for years, everyone publicly posts i kanged them, when in fact the code changes were an exact match, i will say with no doubt these developers kanged me. they used my work, gave no credit, and some even claimed credit - but yet my commits were before theirs.
like i said several times, how can i kang something that did not exist at the time i commited it????????
am i publicly trashing the threads of the developers who kanged me? no im not - i try to ignore it, until these same developers trash my thread, or their followers start to trash my thread. i do not like to accuse people of things, even when i got stacks of solid proof, in public forum like the other RDs on xda... i try to be professional - but sometimes people can only take so much before they snap.
people - just because "joe" or "jim" or "ross" has been developing kernels on xda for 2 years and I am only here for 6 or so months does not mean i kanged them cause my repo contains identical code as theirs (some even copied my intentional spelling errors in the comments of the code)... again - look at the time stamps of the commits. look at the dates threads are created.
quite honestly i dont give a rats ass that im not given credit - i care that im accused of kanging, and people trash my threads, threaten legal action in public forum, send me 100s of emails to my gmail account daily and xda allows the thread trashing to go on, leaves the posts accusing me of kanging to remain, but when i post nothing but a screen shot of my repo, or of a thread to show its creation time - my posts are deleted. (why not deleted both? or none??)
...yes i got more examples - but i think i made my point clear.
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a reminder: kang defined = to use other peoples code without giving proper credit, or claiming the work as your own.
i have NEVER kanged anyone - period. and i have screen shots that prove all (yes more than one, some dont post on XDA anymore though) the developers you all defend and back up kanged me.
like i said a few statements above, at one point all of these screen shots were posted here on XDA - but xda chose to defend the honor of their long time developers, at the expense of making me look like an ass.
this is 1 of 2 reasons I dont post my work on xda anymore - cause of the actions of XDA's staff - not because of all the accusing, flaming, destroying of my threads, etc that everyone assumes.
reason 2 of 2: all the drama, accusing and what not has caused some xda members to file false claims with gpl-violations against me. a specific user made this threat in public forum here on XDA directly under a post with a link to my repo, and screen shots of the repo. this person trolled to other parts of XDA where he had no business, and reported ALL of my threads as well - some of this drama caused legal action against me where i had to hire a lawyer.
i give you all something for free, and ask and expect nothing in return except respect and common courtesy , but yet - im paying legal retainers??? money i CAN NOT afford to pay...
i never even wanted my kernel on XDA - it was strictly for me and a few friends - but i was encouraged to share it with everyone, and I did, and it was the most used kernel for the shooter platform, and more downloads than any other kernel including tiamat's - must be doing something right? as of 3/1/2012 - a total of all versions downloaded exceeded 300,000 in 6 months (combined total downloads for all devices, all versions from 3 hosting sites)
it was the only kernel that did not have BSOD issues on incomming calls, it had 2wcr, beats audio, and things got getter with almost every release - yes some releases were failures... but 100% stability... 30+ days uptime... come on...
im also prolly gonna be stuck with a 2nd $3000 legal retainer based off of the recent actions of 1 specific XDA member.
...yes I won the cases (the 1st two, 3rd one as of yet has not be filed by mr hotaru) - but still gotta pay the lawyer
and yes i legally can post my BEATS kernel in public forum without posting source to the beats drivers....if i wanted to.
as part of my test of fairness of the XDA staff, and to prove there is in fact some double standards and favouritism - some kernels with no source code, wrong source code, out of date code, or code that is just missing files... i reported these threads
wanna now the outcome? PM me cause if i post it here, i know for a fact i will get banned.
summary
1: everytime i was accused of something i had 100% solid proof that showed otherwise someone just decided to keep this info from the general public, while allowing the posts accusing me to remain
2: if anyone is being kanged, it is in fact me, and i have git timestamps to prove this (and screen shots of such comparisons)
with all the BS - i have lost motivation to develop, and honestly - this is why there have not been many updates, and i have never finished my DEFCONFIG files for other devices..
why should i??
i seriously am soo close to a 100% working 2.17 hw002 kernel - but have no desire to fix it. i
personally own hw001, im running my test 6 kernel on mean rom right now and its 100% working, 100% stable - it works for me...
working camera, video, mhl/hdmi, landscape video, rotation - its all good - done without source from HTC, cause they are sticking to their 120 day time limit to release source....
...so yes, with ZERO source to work from - i made my kernel 2.17 complaint with hw001 phones. and fixed eveything but landscape video and camera preview (related to landscape video) for hw002 users... who else has done this? no one until i or htc releases source...
will i update when htc releases source, prolly not - cause i know i could have my kernel fixed b4 that happens if i put my mind to it.
i give everyone something for free, and im stuck with legal fees cause of people like <not listed to help prevent me from being banned>
anyone wants details or the screen shots - PM me
or just google the stuff, and look at the cached pages from 6 months ago
doubt me or my word about my kernels- read other users feedback on xda
doubt me or my word on kanging - again - google is your friend, and I have no way to change google's time stamps...
every statement i made comparing my kernel to other kernels is based off of XDA USERS feedback and their public posts here on xda - read up for your self. again - i never said i was/am better than anyone else - and i never will say that.
to answer the OP's question
use leedroids kernel - he is good, i shared my entire repo with him (not beats, but - yes.. new sound drivers), and he will have more updates than me, and he will know what parts to use to bring the best experience to his users.
i expect a vacation and loss of RD status after this post...so nice knowing you all.
and im sure this post may even be deleted before everyone gets to read it...seems to be a pattern with my posts/threads - even stuff related to actual development.
hell - i even made a ville ruu thread the other day that i had to ask XDA to remove cause of the trolling, hatemail, etc..
trying to share things with the community and i get **** on... so why bother...
You got hatemail for uploading that ruu? Wow, what a bunch of babies.
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to set the record straight - for the last time...
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First off, I'd like to thank Chad for publicly expressing these concerns to the broader community without apprehension.
Second, I'm surprised there's barely a reply.
I'll keep this rant brief:
The user Chad Goodman may by (U.S.A x;x.x) freely choose to mediate lawful concerns held accused by any responsible source of medium whereby both parties are bound by (U.S.A x;x.x) and in trust of an agreement on (date) of the stipulated terms and conditions of the legally bound U.S.A. based hosting authority.
The user Chad Goodman may warrant their concerns without the fear of repression by the owners, operators, or parties of the hosting authority, or by fear of other members within its registrar, so long as Chad is in compliance of (U.S.A x;x.x) and the terms and conditions of the hosting authority, all of whom are legally responsible and bound by (U.S.A x:x.x).
Basically, to alienate any person of this right brings a good case of discrimination and defamation in itself. There is also a potential case of intentional interference with a prospective business because of the closed source code that obviously marketed, and possibly funds, the developers work and any related bodies of interest, or associates.
Defamation is costly($300k min) and specifically reserved for the wealthy elite, but this case may open with intentional interference.
GPL is not an excuse for subversion.
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You got hatemail for uploading that ruu? Wow, what a bunch of babies.
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Just add it to the talent pool... and unfortunately say it all farewell.
Chad I knew from the og evo forum you were having problems I remember when your kernel was first taken Down from that forum but I did not know it went to this extent I am am avid user of your kernels even when I had my og EVO and couldn't get it to work I still tried finding a Rom it would work with. But then I came to the shooter and seen your work was back and was happy as ever and still glad that you have stayed imho you are the best kernel dev xda has and you deserve the credit but if this continues I don't blame you for leaving but I wish you luck man thank you for being good to us.
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Chad I knew from the og evo forum you were having problems I remember when your kernel was first taken Down from that forum but I did not know it went to this extent I am am avid user of your kernels even when I had my og EVO and couldn't get it to work I still tried finding a Rom it would work with. But then I came to the shooter and seen your work was back and was happy as ever and still glad that you have stayed imho you are the best kernel dev xda has and you deserve the credit but if this continues I don't blame you for leaving but I wish you luck man thank you for being good to us.
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very well said man....we always appreciate ppl such as yourself
Dear Yasir, Atis112, Prototype-U, ckpv5, MaartenXDA, xpirt, The Android Manual and fellow devs,
I have downloaded all your ROMs and installed them faithfully on my phone. However I must express my utter disappointment that these ROMs aren't running Key Lime Pie. Why are you so lazy?
Also, my phone does not turn into an umbrella when it's raining. WTF is this? How can you ignore such basic stuff? It doesn't walk my dog, or chop my vegetables. I wanted to use my phone as a lightsaber to impress all my friends, but can I do this with your ROMS? No!
You use excuses like: "We don't have kernel sources from HTC", and manage to give us a measly 4.2.2 ROM / Sense 5 themed ROM / Sense 4+ Full / CM 10.1 instead!? Really it's just that you are not listening to us, your non-paying customers. Why should we donate to you or support your work when we can't even play the latest PS4 / Xbox One games on our Desire X. Is that too much to ask?
So, please get with the program, and make us some awesome ROMs with no new sources and nothing but endless hours of hacking and slashing at code to work with. We promise to do nothing but moan at you and suggest how you should spend your volunteer time and efforts.
Sincerely,
A random noob
Made my day
Sent from my HTC Desire X using xda app-developers app
Woah! What did I just read
vogonpoetlaureate said:
Dear Yasir, Atis112, Prototype-U, ckpv5, and fellow devs,
I have downloaded all your ROMs and installed them faithfully on my phone. However I must express my utter disappointment that these ROMs aren't running Key Lime Pie. Why are you so lazy?
Also, my phone does not turn into an umbrella when it's raining. WTF is this? How can you ignore such basic stuff? It doesn't walk my dog, or chop my vegetables. I wanted to use my phone as a lightsaber to impress all my friends, but can I do this with your ROMS? No!
You use excuses like: "We don't have kernel sources from HTC", and manage to give us a measly 4.2.2 ROM / Sense 5 ROM / Sense 4+ Full / CM 10.1 instead!? Really it's just that you are not listening to us, your non-paying customers. Why should we donate to you or support your work when we can't even play the latest PS4 / Xbox One games on our Desire X. Is that too much to ask?
So, please get with the program, and make us some awesome ROMs with no new sources and nothing but endless hours of hacking and slashing at code to work with. We promise to do nothing but moan at you and suggest how you should spend your volunteer time and efforts.
Sincerely,
A random noob
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Sense 5 ROM...? Where!?
Haha. Nice one OP. A very unique way of thanking.
Your welcome. I hope we will get more devs with time and then you might get more distractions, like fully working cmx and bug free sense 5.
And I would include even more people like maartenxda, xpirt, TAM, who are making each day better than last.
Sent from my HTC Desire X using xda app-developers app
OP - very well said mate, most of us are acting this way and want everything not for today, not for tomorrow but for yesterday.
Most members are asking for ETAs everyday, when its been said many times not to do so, many members are moaning about non working stuff, without donating, without thinking that this is what Development means - stuff being fixed needs time, time which our not many, but working devs need to spend for us, not for their private life.
So i agree with you and i wish all of us to be more friendly and more patient with the development and developers we have here.
Thanks for this one. You should become a news writer on XDA Portal creating an article about the missing kernel sources for JB...
vogonpoetlaureate said:
Dear Yasir, Atis112, Prototype-U, ckpv5, MaartenXDA, xpirt, The Android Manual and fellow devs,
I have downloaded all your ROMs and installed them faithfully on my phone. However I must express my utter disappointment that these ROMs aren't running Key Lime Pie. Why are you so lazy?
Also, my phone does not turn into an umbrella when it's raining. WTF is this? How can you ignore such basic stuff? It doesn't walk my dog, or chop my vegetables. I wanted to use my phone as a lightsaber to impress all my friends, but can I do this with your ROMS? No!
You use excuses like: "We don't have kernel sources from HTC", and manage to give us a measly 4.2.2 ROM / Sense 5 themed ROM / Sense 4+ Full / CM 10.1 instead!? Really it's just that you are not listening to us, your non-paying customers. Why should we donate to you or support your work when we can't even play the latest PS4 / Xbox One games on our Desire X. Is that too much to ask?
So, please get with the program, and make us some awesome ROMs with no new sources and nothing but endless hours of hacking and slashing at code to work with. We promise to do nothing but moan at you and suggest how you should spend your volunteer time and efforts.
Sincerely,
A random noob
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i also demand a flux capacitor, so we can travel into the future and get our jb kernel sources from htc
hcdav said:
Sense 5 ROM...? Where!?
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Sense 5 "themed" rom
Like ckpv5's roms
0zura
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Sense 5 "themed" rom
Like ckpv5's roms
0zura
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Or
The original sense 5 port by xpirt (not released yet)
Lolololololololololololol just read this post. This is the best way to thank people
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There's a serious point to this post, which is that there are people who are making attacks against devs, criticising people's efforts while having made no contributions themselves, and generally going against the spirit of XDA (that is to foster a community of people committed to learning and developing together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and courtesy). So stop with the moaning and the whinging. the ad hominem attacks, and the armchair developer schtick. Give developers the respect they deserve. They volunteer their time and energy on the things they choose to. They don't owe us anything.
vogonpoetlaureate said:
There's a serious point to this post, which is that there are people who are making attacks against devs, criticising people's efforts while having made no contributions themselves, and generally going against the spirit of XDA (that is to foster a community of people committed to learning and developing together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and courtesy). So stop with the moaning and the whinging. the ad hominem attacks, and the armchair developer schtick. Give developers the respect they deserve. They volunteer their time and energy on the things they choose to. They don't owe us anything.
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I agree with you. All people who don't like dev's work can learn and make by themeselves.
I respect all dev's work like @neXus PRIME one because he made all recoveries for us and we have to be grateful to him.
xpirt
vogonpoetlaureate said:
There's a serious point to this post, which is that there are people who are making attacks against devs, criticising people's efforts while having made no contributions themselves, and generally going against the spirit of XDA (that is to foster a community of people committed to learning and developing together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and courtesy). So stop with the moaning and the whinging. the ad hominem attacks, and the armchair developer schtick. Give developers the respect they deserve. They volunteer their time and energy on the things they choose to. They don't owe us anything.
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Why the hell aren't you a news writer? Seriously, I have seen some of your posts - like the ROM reviews - and they're post by post AWESOME. It'd be great if the rest of the forum could join the happiness of reading your posts!
MaartenXDA said:
Why the hell aren't you a news writer? Seriously, I have seen some of your posts - like the ROM reviews - and they're post by post AWESOME. It'd be great if the rest of the forum could join the happiness of reading your posts!
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Ikr, his use of language is perfect for articles and reviews, you should ask for a position at xda portal if that's possible
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some of the names mentioned above arent even devs :S
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exactly why this thread was made, they may not be "devs" but they are still dedicating plenty of personal time to you and all others here, they made things noone else would do and let everyone to benefit from it, further development included, they are pushing desire x in others eyes up, they should be thanked, not labeled as "not dev, pfff"...
Exactly, lack of respect, they may not be a developer but sure they release amazing modded Roms.
Deal with it fella.
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