Finally after long weeks and days of patiently waiting, I got a chance to snatch up my first prime from best buy today (In store pickup 32gb gray)... boy was a I excited!!!
I've been eye'ing this forum and transformer forums since mid decemeber so I pretty much know every nasty/sad/positive thing there is too it.
Despite knowing all the potential risk of having a malfunctioning tablet I took the risk hoping this new batch had some tweaks/fixes from Asus.
To my suprise the tablet i got today was the new C1 serial # tablets.
I had very high expectations and hoped that the negative things i heard about the prime was... just a silly rumor. Unfortunately life is not that convenient and disappointment came almost... too fast. Starting from the intial boot ive spotted 3 white dead pixels and 1 red dead pixel... Boy that was a pretty big blow to the face. I've tried all sorts of pixel unstuck/fixer apps but none seemed to help.
Next thing i noticed was severe light bleeding on top right corner of the screen and along the entire edges on the bottom. For the most part, I really don't mind minor light bleeding. I understand that is the technology we're dealing with right now and ive owned several monitors that had this problem. But the light bleeding on the tablet was too noticable for me to overlook and almost disgusting... for a $500 tablet.
Wifi/GPS *sigh* feel free to skip this as yall seen billion cries about this, i can confirm that its 100% true. Ive upgraded to the latest firmwire ICS bla bla bla, WIFI is AMAZING standing RIGHT NEXT to the router. Other than that i get CONSTANT wifi drops, slow connection, and extreme weak signal... GPS i won't even go there.
Last thing is the dull unresponsive touchscreen. I had the EEE Pad TF101 and had no issues with this but on the prime the touch sensitivity is absolutely horrible. When scrolling on websites it feels either choppy or unresponsive. When i scroll the page with the left thumb the page barely even moves... I had extremely high hopes for ICS since everyone seemed to be crazy about it but in all honesty I didn't experience/feel any smoothness even with forced hardware acceleration.
I gotta say after seeing sow many negative reviews/impression i never thought i'd be writing one myself... I guess i feel a bit cheated as I secretly hoped that I could be one of those lucky guys who had a perfect Prime and wondered what other people were complainging about... Now i can truely understand your pain and disappointment. I'm returning the prime tomorrow to BB and ordering a new one via Newegg - if the newegg one i rcv is no better i am officially giving up on the Prime. It's really sad, I mean after all the hype and waiting you finally get your hands on it and realize the product you paid $500 does not live up to what you've hoped for.
Why release new products with new serials if it doesn't address any of the previous problems?
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**Update** 01/27
So ive returned my C1 serial tablet back to best buy and received my Champange 32gb from newegg today. The serial # this time was BC - immediately ive noticed better / less light bleeding around the top corner but acceptable.
There are 2 dead pixels (white) but not as bad my previous one... at least this time there isnt a red one. Overall the screen responsiveness seems a lot better for me too and seems like overall ICS experience is smoother.
Best of all so far i have not had one WIFI drop nor poor wifi connection. Im getting same d/l speed as my galaxy s2 phone.
I think this one is going to be a keeper for now.
Wow, sir may I say thank you for that I was worried that the C1 would have big display fixes. But, according to you that's not the case anyone else with a C1 have a story to tell? I have a BC serial btw.
I picked up my 64gb version with C1 serial number today. I have some small light bleed in the bottom left corner, but not really noticeable. It's actually in the same spot as my TF101. I will say that my wifi signal is weaker than the 101, but haven't had any drops or noticeable lag. I get 2 bars where the other gets 3. I have fully updated to 11.1 as well. My only issue so far has been market freeze while updating several apps. Hasn't happened again though. I got mine from MicroCenter. So far I'm very happy with it. Very sorry to hear yours is having issues. Hope the one from newegg is better!
Got a Champagne C1 today, haven't had a lot of time to play with it but the light bleed is indeed pretty bad... One spot in the bottom left, all along the right side as well.
The sensitivity is great though, wifi I have not had any problems though I do live in a condo. Seems very responsive, typing on the screen is fine so far (no keyboard yet). No dead pixels. Only quibble I have is the backlight bleed which is honestly only really noticable on a jet black screen with high backlight.
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I picked up my 64gb version with C1 serial number today. I have some small light bleed in the bottom left corner, but not really noticeable. It's actually in the same spot as my TF101. I will say that my wifi signal is weaker than the 101, but haven't had any drops or noticeable lag. I get 2 bars where the other gets 3. I have fully updated to 11.1 as well. My only issue so far has been market freeze while updating several apps. Hasn't happened again though. I got mine from MicroCenter. So far I'm very happy with it. Very sorry to hear yours is having issues. Hope the one from newegg is better!
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Thanks man. So far I never had a bad prodcut from Newegg and im crossing my fingers. Glad your happy with yours.
I just got my BC serial# Prime 64Gb from a dec 25th pre-order from Amazon and I can say I am happy with the screen. There is no light bleed I can see (I might not be as picky) and the screen's touch is very responsive. I do have the reduced WiFi signal everyone else has, but no dropped or laggy wifi signal. It updated to ICS 4.0.3 within 10 minutes and has not had any problems.
As for the GPS, I havent had a chance to mess with it yet.
This is my third attempt for a good transformer prime. Got my 64 gig from amazon yesteday and very happy with this one. Yes its a BC model, but the only issue I have is some very minor light bleed. everything else is fine.
Got a C1 64GB grey delivered from Amazon yesterday. The only problem that I have is a very slight light bleed on the bottom left corner. I have no dead pixels and my wifi is perfect. Screen is also nice, bright and responsive.
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I got a BC serial prime today from staples (canada), right out of the box there 2 noticeable 2 inch long scratch (two of them parallel) on the backplate and a small dot of bluish ink that cannot be wiped off. Also beside the camera rear lens appears to have a small scratch like stain that can be removed. Are stores selling refurbished as new items now?
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Wow, sir may I say thank you for that I was worried that the C1 would have big display fixes. But, according to you that's not the case anyone else with a C1 have a story to tell? I have a BC serial btw.
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There are (nor will there be in the future) display fixes. Light bleeds and dead pixels are part of IPS screens. Even ASUS warranty states that such things, unless they are excessive, do not fall under warranty. If a store takes the item back for light bleeds and dead pixels, it is basically on their head.
This will not change unless ASUS will up their quality control standards and start throwing out light bleed and dead pixel screens, which will drive up the costs of the devices due to screens they cannot use.
Even TF101's have light bleeds and dead pixels today, this won't change. And it is simply more prominent with TF201 screens due to IPS+.
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There are (nor will there be in the future) display fixes. Light bleeds and dead pixels are part of IPS screens. Even ASUS warranty states that such things, unless they are excessive, do not fall under warranty. If a store takes the item back for light bleeds and dead pixels, it is basically on their head.
This will not change unless ASUS will up their quality control standards and start throwing out light bleed and dead pixel screens, which will drive up the costs of the devices due to screens they cannot use.
Even TF101's have light bleeds and dead pixels today, this won't change. And it is simply more prominent with TF201 screens due to IPS+.
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This is true. For the most part i think vast majority of consumers expect such results but sometimes its more noticable than others - thats what kills us. I showed my tablet to the return guy at in best buy and he was pretty shocked too and appologized - return was immediate and no restocking fee. I mean 4 dead pixels and 1 stuck red pixel is def on the excessive side ONTOP of severe light bleeding all across the board.
Thanks to OP, that confirmed me to again post-pone my purchase of Android tablet.
I put a lot of hope to ASUS TF201, but they blew it.
Well, MWC 2012 is just next month, it will be interesting to see the next wave of Android tablets. I don't know, my heart now probably go to the rumored 11.6" Samsung tablet, even though I must swallow the TouchWiz ... *difficult*
NOTE: Probably the one who has no WIFI issue is the one who has "better" WiFI AC/router. Because I think there are quite a lot of range for this kind of device. From cheap mediocre to expensive overkill one.
I purchased two Australian Channel TF201 32GB Golds both with C10KAS***** serial numbers.
I have found the majority of problems people have posted about do not apply to my two units. (each had very tiny light bleed in the bottom left corner, and that is about all)
It's scary how many problems people are posting, seems mostly in the US.
Sorry to hear about your troubles OP, my C1 serial primes have great screens and everything
Samsung, Apple almost don't have these problems. Even my €170 Hannspad/G-Tab didn't have backlight bleeding. I mean come on Asus..
OP, please search or read before posting, i already put up a C1 discussion thread yesterday.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462342
I got my C1 64 gigger from Amazon yesterday and i dont see any issues so far. I am actualy blown away at how fast and smooth this is. I performed the ICS update prior to loading any apps and all is working great.
I see a resolution about dead pixels on my warranty card (local one in Slovakia). There is written that dead pixels does not fall under warranty unless there is a combination of 8 dead pixels at same place. It also specifies whether they are dead "white" or "black" ones.
As mentioned before, I guess it has something to do with a display technology...but honestly, does it really matter for you - 3 dead pixels or some light bleeding visible only in a boot stage?
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I see a resolution about dead pixels on my warranty card (local one in Slovakia). There is written that dead pixels does not fall under warranty unless there is a combination of 8 dead pixels at same place. It also specifies whether they are dead "white" or "black" ones.
As mentioned before, I guess it has something to do with a display technology...but honestly, does it really matter for you - 3 dead pixels or some light bleeding visible only in a boot stage?
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I really hate dumb questions like these. Why ask questions when the answer is almost always relative?
YES IT DOES MATTER...I don't want dead pixels, not even one. I don't want light bleeding...
Its pretty dissapointing that the C1's are having the same issues. Thanks for the update.
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I really hate dumb questions like these. Why ask questions when the answer is almost always relative?
YES IT DOES MATTER...I don't want dead pixels, not even one. I don't want light bleeding...
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I really hate shouting on people, especially when the answer is almost always relative...simple advice - change you Prime or ask for money
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Two small pinpoints of white light on the screen. Are these dead pixels? Stuck Pixels?
I'm guessing that either way I should exchange it. So, apparently Asus is going to be having quality issues?
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Two small pinpoints of white light on the screen. Are these dead pixels? Stuck Pixels?
I'm guessing that either way I should exchange it. So, apparently Asus is going to be having quality issues?
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http://www.flexcode.org/lcd2.html
let it load
select "fix my screen"
if it doesnt go away after it runs... if it doesnt auto close after a minute, just close it
its a dead pixel
return son!
No dice. Thanks anyway.
Guess this bad boy is going back...
I got a replacement Prime yesterday and thought everything was perfect until I opened my web browser to google, which is pretty much all white and noticed a bright spot like you are describing in the title. Mine are definitely NOT stuck/dead pixels. I know because I returned my first one in part because of stuck pixels. It's almost like these pixel(s) allow slightly more light through than the adjacent pixels. Sort of like light bleed but not at the edge of the screen. I can only see it on white or very, very light backgrounds. It disappears entirely on darker colors.
It is unfortunate but I will not replace this again for a third time. It goes away unless my Prime is charging or docked (which I assume is because it is similar to the tablet being plugged in) and can only be seen on an all white background. I will never use my tablet plugged in, I charge it at night when I sleep, and the limited amount I have it docked is not an issue since it only shows up on an all white background and seems less noticeable than a dead/stuck pixel. Honestly, a smudged screen is more noticeable/annoying. Since I don't use my dock much it will probably end up having a dead battery anyway which means I really wouldn't see it much, unless the battery in the dock is required for it to function while attached, I'm not sure but will find out. Thinking about it I guess it probably does need to be charged for the ports and everything to work unless it leaches off the tablet. Who knows...I'll test it at some point.
It is kind of strange though and I really dislike trying to justify a flaw to keep a $500 device but whatever. IPS screens have some nice benefits but they seem to have a lot of flaws too like bright spots, pretty bad light bleed and more stuck pixels than I am used too. I went back and forth in my OCD head so many times about how many times I would exchange or return this device before I get one that is pristine but if I return it there is nothing else that interests me.
Asus had quality issues with their past Transformer and to think the 1080p tablet will be any different is ignorant.
Anyway, end blog. Since that's what XDA is now
Where did you guys get yours from?
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Where did you guys get yours from?
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Best Buy, ordered 1/6.
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Two small pinpoints of white light on the screen. Are these dead pixels? Stuck Pixels?
I'm guessing that either way I should exchange it. So, apparently Asus is going to be having quality issues?
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If it's only 2 pixels and they are not directly adjacent, it's unlikely that they will take it back as that is deemed an acceptable tolerance for dead/stuck pixels. I think you need to have 5 or more total or 2 directly adjacent.
Pretty much all manufacturers use this guideline I believe. I hope I am wrong and you do get to exchange it.
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If it's only 2 pixels and they are not directly adjacent, it's unlikely that they will take it back as that is deemed an acceptable tolerance for dead/stuck pixels. I think you need to have 5 or more total or 2 directly adjacent.
Pretty much all manufacturers use this guideline I believe. I hope I am wrong and you do get to exchange it.
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I had one dead pixel on my Xoom and Best Buy replaced it without even turning it on to verify
I had two stuck pixels when I first got my Prime. Running pixel fixer apps didn't fix the problem. However, both of them have "unstuck" themselves after a few days of use. If you have some time before you have to return it, you may want to wait a little.
EDIT: Check that. I just ran a dead pixel test and only one of the two unstuck itself. The other one is so unnoticeable to me that I haven't seen it.
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Two small pinpoints of white light on the screen. Are these dead pixels? Stuck Pixels?
I'm guessing that either way I should exchange it. So, apparently Asus is going to be having quality issues?
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Same issue here, bottom right of the screen, small patch of white light in the browser window about an inch from the corner..
Not sure whether to return, the rest of the tablet is awesome!!
I just got another one and about 7 dead pixels the kind you can see on
Black screens and also slightly a bit of light bleed where the headphone jack is
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So, anybody who originally had yellow screens notice it go away after a few days?
I just got my replacement TFP from Amazon to replace the TFP that had a screen blotch/defect. Though the replacement screen does not have any dead pixels, light bleed, or blotches, it is much much yellower than my first prime (I have them side by side - clearly the new one is yellower). If I can expect the yellow hue to go away and look like my first TFP screen, I'll keep it and be happy. Otherwise I'm not a happy camper...
I heard somewhere that it could wet glue that still needs to dry. I have to send my old tablet back in within the next 15 days or I'll get charged. Trying to figure out what to do.
When I first got mine I thought I was seeing a yellowish tint too. After a while it seemed to have gone away. It was probably the adhesive not being dry. I remember the iPad 2 having the same issue too when it first came out. I say wait a few days and see.
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My husband and I both Primes (and we both love them). One thing I've noticed though is that his display is not as good as mine and does seem to have more of a yellow undertone. It's still a great display, just not quite as good as mine. We've both had them for about two weeks, so I would think if it was a wet glue issue it would have resolved by now. His icons also aren't quite as sharp as mine in a side by side comparison. He wears glasses and hasn't even noticed, but I have. He also has one stuck pixel on the lower right portion of his screen that shows up as a very small bright white spot on solid backgrounds. We have great wifi though and no other problems.
I have noticed a yellow tint. But I'm not sure if it's just ics warm pallet... As it's similar to my nexus a
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I noticed this too. I had originally ordered one from GameStop and then had to get it replaced. I then ordered a second one from Office Depot for my sister, and I can definitely tell the difference. The two that came from GameStop did not have the yellow tint, while the one from Office Depot does. I doesn't look bad when you are using it, but you can definitely tell the difference between the two side by side, especially on white screens. Now she's debating if she wants to return it and hope for a better one or try ordering from GameStop.
I've had 3 Primes so far. Two have the same excellent screens with a nice color temp (not too warm, not too cold, to paraphrase Goldilocks). One, though, which I still have and will be returning soon to Best Buy, has a VERY yellow cast that has NOT gone away.
I think that there are some screen-yellowing issues that are more splotchy that do resolve as something dries. However, I also think there are some screens that are much, much warmer overall and that this will NOT resolve. I've been using the one side-by-side with one that has a great screen, and over 5 days it remains exactly the same.
I personally couldn't live with it. I like warmer screens (I think my wife's Samsung GT 10.1, which as an excellent screen, is too cold; so is my Epic 4G Touch), but this thing just muddies colors because it's far, far too warm.
Thanks for the help guys. I'm not taking a risk in this not going away; just setup return authorization for both the original and replacement tablet. Going to get a refund from Amazon, and then really think about my decision on what I want to do moving forward. I hate to say it, as much as I loved using the TFP (no WiFi problems, GPS didn't bother me, and I love Android), I might take this opportunity to hold out a bit longer for something else.
Yep, just to add another voice, the yellow tint will not go away. You'll have to take your chances if you want another Prime. For what it is worth, I've had three (!) two had excellent clear screens, one had a yellow tint that I really disliked especially as the contrast didn't appear as good.
I have had two primes, on both the screens are nice but not as good as a TF101 or galaxy 10.1.
Colors are off no matter what. But it still looks decent, just not as good as everyone made it out to be.
You can easily compare your TFP to a android phone or anything else and notice colors are not as vibrant and dont stand out as much.
After all the troubles i went through to get the two I have gotten I would say they are good enough for what they are, they are not worth $500, battery life is as good if not a little less than that of the galaxy 10.1.
It depletes fast but it also recharges fast so that's good at least. My first Prime had the yellow screen and it went away after a few days, but both seem to have lesser quality than my TF101 and Galaxy 10.1 (and even my cheap android phone).
So far I have returned 2 primes because of bad screen bleeding and every time it is getting worse. MUCH WORSE.
Just gut my 3rd 10 mins ago and this is what I get.
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Great thread bro.
No offense but you're a liability to Asus. You should buy an ipad instead.
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No offense but you're a liability to Asus. You should buy an ipad instead.
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how dare you make a ridiculous suggestion on my thread! lol
noone. really. cares.
please. make these threads stop.
Welcome to the club. I returned 3. I don't care so much about screen bleed though, especially on the boot screen where it is most noticeable. I had stuck pixels and other weird issues.
I had two Primes with screen defects. I returned both and finally gave up on the TF201. I like the tablet overall; but lets get honest - someone over there in Taiwan is sleeping on the job when it comes to quality control. They need to be fired. It's absolutely unacceptable in this day and age for the same people to receive multiple defective units. Any my screen defects were not minor - they were pretty glaring.
Screen bleed is not even noticeable in everdsy use or during regular functions. it's only during bootup. if its minor, then that's normal. if its major bleeding, then exchange once again.
1st return due to dead pixels
2nd returning tomorrow due to 3 light bleeds
hope the 3rd one will be the one
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Screen bleed is not even noticeable in everdsy use or during regular functions. it's only during bootup. if its minor, then that's normal. if its major bleeding, then exchange once again.
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all my apps have a bowl or dark background. And i mainly use it at night. So it is considered regular use for me. But this light bleeding is so bad you can see is in bright light on low brightness. I should if kept my first one. At least I could sort of tolerate it
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Same here:
1 returned for lots of stuck pixels and backlight bleed
2 even more stuck pixels, less bleed
3 almost no stuck pixels (still some though) but the worse in backlight bleed and had a creaking screen
Tomorrow I will get my 4th unit, but I don't get my hopes to high up
* I know IPS screens cannot be without some light bleeding completely, but my specimens all had these nasty large "bulbs" which can even been seen on lighter backgrounds.
Returned my second prime today. Light bleed and off center screen. Bestbuy had one other there.but it was onhold!! Grr.. Want my tablet back.
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No wonder people are struggling to get a TP, all you guys are returning them for minor issues.....don't like screen bleed? Turn the light on when using it..there problem solved.
Asus would've done fine with sales if people weren't so anal about minor things like screen bleed or not being able to use GPS in their concrete and lead lined houses. Well done you guys
they should have made a white bootup screen. Then no one would have noticed it...
I dont have my prime yet but i guess its the same as with my phone? For the bootup screen brightness is set to 100%?
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No wonder people are struggling to get a TP, all you guys are returning them for minor issues.....don't like screen bleed? Turn the light on when using it..there problem solved.
Asus would've done fine with sales if people weren't so anal about minor things like screen bleed or not being able to use GPS in their concrete and lead lined houses. Well done you guys
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Looking at your pic, i really didnt notice much diffference from my boot up either..
Some people are incredibly fussy, and ruin it for everyone else.
youre going to get the most perfect non-bleeding TF201 soon, then drop it on the pavement...
Then start complaining about the quality of build...
Harden up
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they should have made a white bootup screen. Then no one would have noticed it...
I dont have my prime yet but i guess its the same as with my phone? For the bootup screen brightness is set to 100%?
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Yes it looks like the boot screen is set to 100%. Mine looks very poor too. Once passed the boot screen no complaints
I've had screen bleed on two Primes that was noticeable on ANY dark background and detracted from the enjoyment of using the device. I also had one where the light bleed was not noticeable on any (normal) screen, and I would have kept that one had it not had other problems (non-functional haptic feedback, a rattle near one of the dock connectors that got worse over time).
My wife's Galaxy Tab 10.1 has zero light bleed. My original Transformer had tons of light bleed that was only visible when booting; I never noticed it otherwise during 8 months of use.
Light bleed is something that I think it highly subjective as to whether or not it's a problem. Nobody can say one way or another whether it's a problem for a given person and/or with a given device. Returning a device because it has an issue like this, therefore, is entirely appropriate and it's ridiculous to assert otherwise. Keeping a device with light bleed can also be entirely appropriate.
People have different standards for their devices. And nobody should feel like returning a device somehow deprives another consumer. It's up to the company to make enough of something, not for every potential purchaser to bite the bullet so some stranger can move up in the line.
If you are looking for perfection in something, I think you'll be highly disappointed.
Mine has some bleed but I don't even notice it once ICS is up and running.
I completely disagree. If you spend your hard earned money on something it should be free from defects. I havent complained about the gps at all. I personally do not care. The people that do care however I leave alone because gps is stated on the box. It doesnt say sometimes working gps it says gps. As for screen bleed and dead pixels....are you kidding me?? Do I agree with the hundreds of threads on the issues? No. But I do believe your product should work as advertised. Guess what, Asus isnt doing charity work here. Ever heard of cost of doing business? I run a 3 million dollar a year high end tile and stone store and i replace material for what sometimes seems like nothing to me but then I remeber..oh yeah these people that are spending 4-6k on their bathrooms are WRITING my paycheck....If something has a minor chip or scratch..guess what? Its replaced. No questions asked. This is the reason my company has gone from 24 stores to 62 store in the last 5 years. Im not talking 800sf gamestops either.. im talking 25000sf 3+ million to open showrooms. So if you are a manufacture like us sometimes you need to SUCK IT UP and do the right thing. No matter how insignificant it may seem to you these people work hard for their money just like I do. If Asus was non profit maybe I would feel different but they arent. They are in it to win it and are competing with the big boys in town and need to get their act together!!!!
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Good for posting this, it will let others know just how bad it really is.
My first prime from Gamestop has screen bleed and horrible performance, i sold it and got another from Office Depot which so far has been perfect (besides the gps,wifi and bluetooth defects we all have).
I was going to try and sell my second prime and be done with Asus all together but nobody around here will buy it lol, so I decided to just hang on to it.
A device like this should come with no defects, and you shouldn't be expected to lay down and just take it in the rear.
I'm deciding between a tf201 or a samung tab 7.7 but I've been reading a lot of reports that users are getting backlight bleeding and others are not.. what is the actual stand on this, is the backlight bleeding normal or just common?
People defend it by saying that even the ipad2 has bleeding, I've checked 3 ipad2's from relatives and none if it had any backlight bleeding including a single ipad1 and 2 iphone4's.
For TN based displays I understand its normal for it to have bleeding.
As an ex-Asus fanboy, there definitely is a light bleed issue. Most prominently around the right and bottom sides of the tablet. IF you look around at the forums about light bleed issues, you'll notice that people who have had the issue say "I'm not on my 4th prime" or something similar. It's an issue with shotty quality control.
I bought a prime and had a light bleed issue. Majority of that light bleed could only be seen when the screen was black. However, it is very significant light bleed. Other tablets or IPS devices that have light bleed are similar, but just not as pronounced. Asus really redefined light bleed
I traded in my first Asus Prime and received a second one (BC) from the same store. It had light bleed in almost the exact same location, and in some cases worse. None the less, I took that back and just kept my money. Hopefully a galaxy tab 2 or Iconia A700 or TF700 or IPAD 3 will serve me better for the $500 I spent.
Bottom line -- if you're going for a prime, you're most likely going to get light bleed (chances are slim you won't). And after spending a week with it, it gradually got worse.
I might try to buy one again at the end of February to see if they improved the quality.
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As an ex-Asus fanboy, there definitely is a light bleed issue. Most prominently around the right and bottom sides of the tablet. IF you look around at the forums about light bleed issues, you'll notice that people who have had the issue say "I'm not on my 4th prime" or something similar. It's an issue with shotty quality control.
I bought a prime and had a light bleed issue. Majority of that light bleed could only be seen when the screen was black. However, it is very significant light bleed. Other tablets or IPS devices that have light bleed are similar, but just not as pronounced. Asus really redefined light bleed
I traded in my first Asus Prime and received a second one (BC) from the same store. It had light bleed in almost the exact same location, and in some cases worse. None the less, I took that back and just kept my money. Hopefully a galaxy tab 2 or Iconia A700 or TF700 or IPAD 3 will serve me better for the $500 I spent.
Bottom line -- if you're going for a prime, you're most likely going to get light bleed (chances are slim you won't). And after spending a week with it, it gradually got worse.
I might try to buy one again at the end of February to see if they improved the quality.
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i am actually on my 4th prime! lol. And yes still have bleeding and it is getting worse after just 2 days.
wait for the for the TF700 if you dont need it now.
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I dont need it now but I want it now... so with the S-IPS panel specification there should be no backlight bleeding correct?
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I dont need it now but I want it now... so with the S-IPS panel specification there should be no backlight bleeding correct?
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Of course there "SHOULD" not be any backlight bleeding. No manufacturer wants to produce a display with light bleeding from the sides.
The reality is that most Primes suffer from this and it is up to the user to live with it or not. The one I had did have some bright spots along the lower edge of the screen and I would have put up with it had it not been for the constant reboots.
For me its not gonna be acceptable considering the price and the touted S-IPS since I've never personally seen one with backlight bleeding. I guess I have to wait it out.
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For me its not gonna be acceptable considering the price and the touted S-IPS since I've never personally seen one with backlight bleeding. I guess I have to wait it out.
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Utility of a device is always a matter of perspective. Some people look past it mostly because they want it so bad. I teased myself with it for about 7 days and finally made a decision that it could wait (mostly because the backlight bleed became worse!)
remics said:
Of course the "SHOULD" not be any backlight bleeding. No manufacturer wants to produce a display with light bleeding from the sides.
The reality is that most Primes suffer from this and it is up to the user to live with it or not. The one I had did have some bright spots along the lower edge of the screen and I would have put up with it had it not been for the constant reboots.
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Exactly. The question is, would have anyone noticed if they were not looking for it? It's a psychological question I often ponder. I almost forgot about my backlight bleed because I really didn't experience it during normal lighting conditions and apps/background not highlighting the bleeding. The tablet also is fricking amazing from head to toe with regards to functionality, ease of use, and performance.
However, its a shame as the backlight is turned up all the way when you first start the tablet. Since the startup screen uses a complete black backdrop the first experience a brand new Prime user will have (and yes you WILL have it) will be light bleed.
I will watch a lot of movies on in and for sure a dark scene cant be avoided and I even use an all black background or a black and white picture so its gonna be noticeable on my regular use including the fact that 85% of my usage will be in the bedroom with lights off.
I've had my prime for about 10 days. It's got what I would consider minor light bleed. When I first turn it on and it's going through the boot screens, there's noticeable bleed in the top right corner and along the bottom in several spots. However, when the homescreen comes up (even with a dark background - i.e. the ASUS live wallpaper at night), I can barely notice any bleeding at all.
So, I guess my point is, if you're using it with the lights off, your screen brightness will be at its lowest setting and hence light bleed should be barely noticeable if at all.
Meh still! 100 times better than my old windows 7 laptop. I look forward to using the tablet vs my desktop or laptop because the screen is so beautiful. I still think many of you like me are tech junkies and will buy the next greatest thing when it comes out...
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EarlZ said:
I'm deciding between a tf201 or a samung tab 7.7 but I've been reading a lot of reports that users are getting backlight bleeding and others are not.. what is the actual stand on this, is the backlight bleeding normal or just common?
People defend it by saying that even the ipad2 has bleeding, I've checked 3 ipad2's from relatives and none if it had any backlight bleeding including a single ipad1 and 2 iphone4's.
For TN based displays I understand its normal for it to have bleeding.
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Keep in mind that the ICS setup screens are NOT totally black. They are black at the top and then lighter towards the bottom. I've had many people mistake this for light bleed
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Keep in mind that the ICS setup screens are NOT totally black. They are black at the top and then lighter towards the bottom. I've had many people mistake this for light bleed
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I'm awre of that, I'm gonna use a totally black png image to check for lightbleeding if ever I decide to get one.
First two primes I owned, returned due to stuck pixels are HORRIBLE light bleed. 3rd one barely any bleed (slight amount in upper right hand corner, BCOK serial number. 4th and 5th prime, C10K serial numbers, zero light bleed. Very happy with them.
(reason for 3, one for me, my wife and bought one for my brother in law for his birthday).
So you have a C1 and no light bleed?
Light Bleed getting worse
Has anyone seen their light bleed becoming worse as time goes by? My Prime came and there was only a slight light bleed in the lower left corner and was only noticeable during boot. I have now had the Prime for 3 weeks and the Light bleed has gotten worse. I now have light bleed up the left side, across the bottom and up the right side. Is anyone else seeing this with their Primes?
Others also reported that its getting worse.
Mine has bleed, but the only time I ever notice is when it's booting. They all have some form. iPads have them also. Mine did.... it's the nature of IPS, apparently.
Enjoy your TF201, stop staring at a plain black screen.
Mine has just a bit of bleed along the bottom, not really noticeable and nowhere as bad as our TV. The top-right corner however, on the bootup screen and any solid black (does not show up in any other color ) has pretty bad bleed. I'm pretty sure this is down to only having pressure in the four places this screen does.
If I push the panel's corner in toward the glass in that spot the bleed disappears, and no amount of tightening on the nearest screw will help.
I have not noticed mine get worse in the two weeks I've had it, but I reseated all the screws and made sure they were snug...
I don't know... I've had mine for a week and I don't have any light bleed. None that I can notice at least..
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The backlight bleed 'issue' is either hit or miss. I had a B1 grey for a couple of weeks before my C1 Champagne pre-order finally came in and the B1 had no backlight bleeding what-so-ever. My C1 has a small amount light bleed along the right side, which from the sounds of it is fairly common on the C1s.
In my opinion the backlight 'issue' is not that big of a deal. In my normal daily use it is something I don't notice at all. As others have mentioned if you do get one with light bleeding the only time you really notice it is on the boot screen.
I've done hours of research on multiple forums. Most of the issues seem to center around gaps around the screen and dead pixels. I want to believe that the reason I am seeing that almost nobody has a greatly built phone, without any problems, is because everyone is posting and complaining in the "build quality issue" threads.
I bought the S4 on launch day and loved it. Albeit the squeaky/creeking back of the phone, and the "cheap" feel. However, I did break the screen and will be getting a full refund from squaretade (lovely company, wasn't expecting that.)
I had the HTC One X before my S4 and absolutely loved it. I'd really love to pick up a 64gb Black One instead of going back to the S4, but with all of these complaints I'm not sure if I should. I'm pretty certain that I could inspect the phone in the AT&T or Best Buy store before purchasing it, but I don't want to come off as a **** and make them open five phones to find one that is perfect. I will be purchasing it off contract, at around $700, so I cant seem to justify buying one if it isn't perfect. I'm quite OCD and I just wouldn't be okay with that.
So my question is this: Does anyone actually have a perfect One? And if so, what color-size-and purchase date?
Thank you for your time
im about to be on my fifth HTC One and havent gotten a "perfect" one yet .... im pretty aware of how to put the device through a detailed test to check out its battery, screen for dead pixels, speaker sound issues, gaps, vibrate motor, camera lens failure and rattling, squeaks and creaks on the device dude to flex, scratches. the quality control on the HTC One is pretty despicable ... so upset I traded away my Apple iPhone 5
I think mind is about as perfect as they come. Silver 32gb and I got it a few weeks ago
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By as perfect as the come, what is wrong?
I think I can fall into this catagory...ive had my phone since 5/1 and ive tried my best to find some of these issues that ive read about....
The lines are just perfect...no gaps and no meet points are uneven. Ive also used the dead pixel finder apps and nothing there either...from any viewing angle.
I believe most of the issues ive read about tend to lean towards the international models...but ive seen them on this forum also. At the end of the day "most" units are probably near perfect...but there will always be a few that aren't.
Purchased: 5/1/2013
Silver
32GB
I cannot find any flaws in mine. Bought a couple of weeks ago at the AT&T store straight - first phone out of the box. No gaps, no dead pixels. 32gb black edition. Loving it!
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Not a single complaint
I have the silver 64G version and I've had none of the issues about which people have been complaining. No dead pixels, no fast-draining battery (I only have to charge every other overnight and I can get three full days with Power Saver enabled, unless I watch a TV show or movie, Navigate for a while, or have the screen on for an extended period for any other reason), no backlight bleeding through any screen "gaps", no camera issues, no lagginess, etc.. Everything works, looks, and fits exactly right. It's the first of four Android phones I've owned that I don't feel I have to root or overclock, and it works perfectly with stock everything.
I see that there are some people with some legitimate issues with various aspects of their Ones, and I understand their frustrations. A dead pixel is a dead pixel and there's no getting around that. But I also see a number of very vocal people who seem to be looking for problems where there are none. If you* see a slightly brighter shade of backlight at the very top of the screen where the glass meets the aluminum when you hold your phone at an extreme angle and squeeze the sides really hard, that's not a manufacturing defect -- that's you doing your job as an RM for some competitor, being a nitpicking primadona, or just a troll.
* of course, "you" is not you specifically, OP, but the generic "somebody"
xsaqzw said:
I've done hours of research on multiple forums. Most of the issues seem to center around gaps around the screen and dead pixels. I want to believe that the reason I am seeing that almost nobody has a greatly built phone, without any problems, is because everyone is posting and complaining in the "build quality issue" threads.
I bought the S4 on launch day and loved it. Albeit the squeaky/creeking back of the phone, and the "cheap" feel. However, I did break the screen and will be getting a full refund from squaretade (lovely company, wasn't expecting that.)
I had the HTC One X before my S4 and absolutely loved it. I'd really love to pick up a 64gb Black One instead of going back to the S4, but with all of these complaints I'm not sure if I should. I'm pretty certain that I could inspect the phone in the AT&T or Best Buy store before purchasing it, but I don't want to come off as a **** and make them open five phones to find one that is perfect. I will be purchasing it off contract, at around $700, so I cant seem to justify buying one if it isn't perfect. I'm quite OCD and I just wouldn't be okay with that.
So my question is this: Does anyone actually have a perfect One? And if so, what color-size-and purchase date?
Thank you for your time
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Yup, i have one.Silver 32gb
Got it on release day, no gaps, glass is flush, no dead pixels, and my boss has the phone too, black 32 gb, he bought his after playing with mine, hes on Tmo.His black is perfect also
Nothing is wrong but some people might nitpick. I've noticed nothing
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Mine was purchased straight from HTC and its great. It's just as good as my wife's iPhone or my friends GS4. I don't see any issues with it at all.
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Thank you for all of the positive feedback everyone!!! I'm still going to make sure the at&t rep will let me take a good look over it, but I think I've made my decision.
Side note:; Are there any de-sense roms yet? Not that I don't like sense.. I loved it on my One X
xsaqzw said:
Thank you for all of the positive feedback everyone!!! I'm still going to make sure the at&t rep will let me take a good look over it, but I think I've made my decision.
Side note:; Are there any de-sense roms yet? Not that I don't like sense.. I loved it on my One X
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Google is your friend. Or since you're already on XDA you might as well check out the Original Android development section.
Oh, and same goes for me. My One appears to be FINE to me. No dead pixels, no body issues, etc. I recently cracked the LCD so I sent it in to HTC for repair and hopefully they don't mess anything up to take away from that 'perfection'.
I have some very small issues with mine if I was nitpicking, like the slightest of unevenness between the screen/speaker grills. Also a small gap in the top left corner (extremely small). But don't affect usage in any way and I can only tell if I closely examine. My previous one had dead pixels which annoyed me - so I exchanged it. But nothing worth exchanging here, IMO.
badams1 said:
I think I can fall into this catagory...ive had my phone since 5/1 and ive tried my best to find some of these issues that ive read about....
The lines are just perfect...no gaps and no meet points are uneven. Ive also used the dead pixel finder apps and nothing there either...from any viewing angle.
I believe most of the issues ive read about tend to lean towards the international models...but ive seen them on this forum also. At the end of the day "most" units are probably near perfect...but there will always be a few that aren't.
Purchased: 5/1/2013
Silver
32GB
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I'm with you and have a 32gb silver with zero issues. My g/f has a 64GB silver with no issues either.
No issues here
No dead pixels, battery lasts the day or more depending on usage, no fit issues that I can see, no random reboots or anything. Really like the device. :good:
Cosmetically, my phone is flawless no gaps lifts or anything. Screen is perfect no dead/stuck pixels and couldn't be happier with it. I know some have knocked the durability of the one but I've been caseless for 2 weeks and not even a single grain of chipping on the black finish.
I have a perfect one
I'm not that happy with the build quality on mine as I expected more from "ZeroGap and Unibody". I come from Galaxy Note N7000, and I was really expecting Apple quality.
Mine is not that bad as some photo's of others complaining, but my upper speaker grill is lower than the screen, so when I swipe from the top, I can feel the sharp edge of the screen. The bottom speaker grill is on the same level as the screen so no bumps there.
Next, there's a thin black plastic that wraps around the screen. On the left upper corner, this black plastic is partially stuck inside and partially sticking out more than the other sides. It was annoying me until I wrapped around a case that covers them. I had a Nokia 920 which also has this kind of black thin plastic, and the N920 had a perfect black strip around the screen. Nokia can do it, why can't HTC do it?
Going to the camera (major deciding factor for me), sometimes the photo looks really blurry on 1/3 of the left and right (landscape mode) while it's perfectly sharp in the center. This is because optical image stabilization over-reacts and blurs the image. This doesn't happen all the time, but it happens enough times that it bothers me. Also when taking pictures of the blue sky and look on a computer, the pixels are garbage and artificial looking. Low light pictures and macro pictures are pretty good.
I have a 32GB silver AT&T HTC One, and Android Revolution HD 10.2.
Mine is perfect, but then again I don't go looking for reasons to complain...
Went to Costco with my GF, we looked at 3 HTC ones and chose the best of the 3.
Ours don't have gaps, glass is pretty flush and no dead pixels. I think we got lucky.