Gday My Lovely Little Lemon Drops!
Just got my new Nook Tablet after an array of issues ive managed to get it delivered to where i'm working... Now this is no easy feat, as im living in Dahab, Egypt.
So i have a question for all of you...
We have currently a few ways to root the nook, but the two main ways that stick out in my head are...
Albertwertz - SD Root
or
Indirect (standard root)
I'm unsure of which is the preferred method of rooting... I mean, which is bug free, fastest and generally 'better'.
I hope you can help out a lone Australian...
Take Care, and Brush Your Hair!
xx
Standard root is just root. There aren't really any kind of 'bugs' that come from gaining superuser access. As well as the fact that it's like a 2 click thing with very little other interaction needed. It does exactly what it should and it does it perfectly.
So, they are both exactly the same...?
All it comes down to is which is the easiest root!?
With the SD root, does the data stay on the sd card? are there any problems that can come from either root!?
From what I gather, the sdcard root by Albert is just a convenience of already having all of the needed files, plus some extra added goodies all in 1 place for ease of use. It still uses the same rooting methods. Both are using Indirect's Nook&Zergy. Which is a permanent root (permanent until you revert back to stock via aclaim.zip)
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I just updated to the new 2.3.26 firmware and have lost my Archangel temp root. I'm sure the app will be updated soon but this has got me thinking about a permanent root option.
My main question is, what exactly do the different root options offer. I have seen this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978492 but I am still confused about the capabilities of the different methods.
Archangel:
-applies root apps to be run
-rooting only occurs AFTER the device is turned on, so no custom roms
chulri's Method (does this have another name?):
-must install SDE first
-gives root access permanently
-does this allow custom roms?
Urukdroid:
-must install SDE first
-allows custom roms (ext4, overclock, etc.)
Does that information seem right? Is Urukdroid the only custom rom at the moment? Does chulri's method allow custom roms?
Also, does installing the SDE mean I'm pretty much screwed in the case of a hardware defect/issue? Or do they only void software based problems?
Lastly, do chulri/Urukdroid work on the A32? My real concern is the fake SD card Archos used in order to get Android SD compatibility.
I know there is a lot of questions, but I'm having a bit of trouble sorting out exactly what does what. I am comfortable with Linux and have been using Archangel to play around with root on my A32. Thanks!
Edit: Ideally I'd like to have something with the stock Archos firmware (at least in appearance/regular use), permanent root capability, and some speed-ups (overclock with or without setCPU, ext4, etc.). Is this currently possible?
It's possible with Chulri's method. But again with the SDE. I believe it's the only way you will get permanent root. You need it to overwrite the img file. I've been using Chulri's method with my Archos 70 since I got it. I've also got Archangel on a Archos 32 and it works fine, but like you said not perm.
I've also used Urukdroid...ran into issues. But I haven't used it since it came into version 1.0, I've been content with Chulris method. I will use it after I get done reading the book I am in the middle of on my Archos.
Edit: So far except for Uruk there isn't much for custom roms. Someone is working on an Ubuntu version. Thats about all there is out there for now.
Without custom roms, what benefits are available with a true permanent root that Archangel doesn't already offer?
Also, what sorts of speed ups can i expect with urukdroid's ext4 and OC kernel?
There are more apps you can run, like the backup using titanium root with root. I suppose you could run Archangel every time you want to backup or whatever you need to do. I know there are more things I just can't think of them right now. For instance, I use Archangel on my sons Archos 43, because all he uses it for is to listen to mp3's and watch some videos sometimes. And he doesn't use it real often.
I use Chulris method on my Archos 70 because I like to back everything up and I like a little more control on what apps I use. Apps like Cache cleaner, Root Explorer, Terminal Emulator, and Titanium Backup all use root. I will admit I use root more on my phone than I do on my Archos.
Also you can overclock. AS far as using the overclocking, I don't have mine overclocked. So I can't speak for what kind of changes you see, but it will vary. I don't know why it varies, but it does. (besides the obvious factors of apps running etc)
Ext4 is faster than ext3.
Hi guys,
First off, I'm a total newbie to custom ROMs, root etc - so whilst I'm considering following ChainFire's directions to install CWM, it makes me nervous... I did read all 20 pages of the thread, but am still left wondering about a few things:
1) Once installed, is that it? Have I voided my warranty? It states that you can still update firmware or re-install stock ROM, but I got the impression that it left a trace behind which Samsung could find. Is this correct?
2) Presumably before attempting this, I should completely back up my phone. But how? I can copy files from readable SD card (int & ext), but what about the 'hidden' parts of my phone?
3) Finally, how risky is this? I have been tempted to root for ages now (had an HTC Magic, then N1), but just felt my complete lack of knowledge (have been using Android for 2 years now and regularly read tech sites, but more from a user POV rather than dev) has kept me from attempting it. I know, bravery is the key! But is it really worth me trying it if I'm that lost in the world of dev-speak...???
In advance, I really would like to thank anyone who can spare me their time to help me through this...! I feel so out of my depth, yet am actually really comfortable with Android (since cupcake), so feel as though I should be able to get more from the OS.
Once again, thanks.
Jamie
Hi,
I am new to the Atrix, but have a background in software development and was a sys admin on unix for a number of years.
I would like to know if, after a phone is rooted, do all apps run as root? or does routing simple install a setuid "su", and root apps call that when they need root access?
The webtop2sd post looks very complete and also something I will try soon. Do I need to unlock the bootloader to run a modified webtop from my sd card?
I would like to keep my phone as stock as possible, but enable a hacked webtop on the sd card.
Also there are 1000's of root threads, what is the safest canonical method (that can easily be undone)?
Many thanks and sorry for asking for your time. I have not found these answers around, but then again, there is a great amount of mis-information out there.
thx,
Scott.
Hi Scott.
I can only partially help you out; someone with more experience will answer at some point I'm sure. I'm running stock Gingerbread & rooted.
Regarding rooting: I followed the instructions on this site (which are duplicated across multiple sites, I'm sure). It worked just fine with no errors or other reasons to cause concern. That said, I'm not sure how to undo the rooting process other than by accepting an over-the-air update to ICS. Which is totally going to happen. ... <crickets>
I might be able to answer your root-app question: whenever an app requests root access, a dialog box pops up prompting me to allow or deny it. While I'm sure it's possible for a rogue rootkit to get in there if installing shady programs is your thing, I haven't yet had a problem. (A sidenote: there's an app on the market called LBE Privacy that gives you full control over app permissions: access to phone state, contacts, SMS, etc.)
Can't really help you on the webtop2sd thing, though I did install this modification to run the webtop over my HDMI cable, no lapdock required.
I'm not certain if this is the best forum for this question or not. If not, please move it to the appropriate forum.
This may sound crazy but can you downgrade a NT that shipped with 1.4.1 to 1.4.0? I realize there are ways to revert an upgrade unit but I'm not sure if those will work on a unit that shipped with 1.4.1 rather than being upgraded to 1.4.1.
I realize that there are new methods for rooting that will allow us to root from version 1.4.1 but the NT doesn't come out looking or acting exactly the same as using Indirect's original method for 1.4.0. My wife got me a NT for Christmas and we both loved it. I rooted mine, didn't debloat, installed the Go launcher and, otherwise, left it as close to stock as possible. As a result, unlike many others, the B&N "read in-store" feature still works on my NT where it doesn't on many rooted NTs.
My wife was using mine more and more and it was becoming harder for us to share so she purchased her own. Hers was a month newer and came with 1.4.1 out of the box. We found Indirect's newer SD card method for rooting a 1.4.1 NT and Albert's updated videos using it. We tried them and they worked. However, this root method uses a different launcher and looks different than my unit which my wife prefers since that's what she's used to. More importantly, the B&N "read in-store" feature will not work on her unit. She really enjoys this feature.
It seems like the best alternative, if it were possible, would be to downgrade her new 1.4.1 unit to 1.4.0 and then perform Indirect's original 1.4.0 root procedure.
Would this be feasible?
Thanks to anyone that may be able to lead me in the right direction and I know my wife would be eternally grateful.
Sincerely,
- Byron Followell
@bfollowell yes you can. I regularly do it for my friends when they get the nook and it comes with the 1.4.1 firmware when they purchase it. Just follow the instructions from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402190
You should be able to do it. Credits to AdamOutler who did it, I'm just copy pasting stuff
Not only can you ... this is my preferred method for the exact reasons you stated.
Good luck and have fun!
Hello,
As crazy as this sounds, is there an SD card image that is bootable similar to CM7 that isn't rooted? I want to use my Nook as a tablet for work but the IT department has an application that verifies that the device isn't rooted before you can get corporate mail. If there isn't an image, does anyone know if there is a way to reset the status on the Nook so that it doesn't show that it's been rooted?
Since I've started using my Nook booted off of the card I can't think of more than a couple times that I've needed root access. And each of those times I could just as easily moved to a different load/card. Being able to power down and swap cards is pretty snazzy. I received my nook as a holiday gift and I've loved running it off the card. I haven't loaded CM7 or anything else into internal memory because I like having the ability to revert back to B&N build if I need to.
My current setup is a Nook Tablet 16Gb running CM7 from SD card.
Mod version CyanogenMod-7.2.0-RC0-acclaim-Team-B
Android version: 2.3.7
Thanks in advance for any help.
Well you could always just boot into your internal ROM and use that at work. The root access you have only is available on your SD ROM so there's no real way for them to tell if you've ever had root access.
Although I don't know how they check in the first place, so that might be a little out of place for me to say.
If I not mistaken this is what you're looking for.
Nikkie
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21275927
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Thank you for the advice.
Solar.Plexus: regrettably that is the crux of the issue. The company uses an app that is on the Google Play store for checking the device and the B&N internal rom doesn't have access to that. The card has access to the Play store but is rooted. It's like a rock and a hard place.
NikkieL: That is pretty much what I have already. I was wondering if there was an image that was complete but wasn't rooted.
Thanks again.
taferguson said:
Thank you for the advice.
Solar.Plexus: regrettably that is the crux of the issue. The company uses an app that is on the Google Play store for checking the device and the B&N internal rom doesn't have access to that. The card has access to the Play store but is rooted. It's like a rock and a hard place.
NikkieL: That is pretty much what I have already. I was wondering if there was an image that was complete but wasn't rooted.
Thanks again.
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Oh, I understand now. You need access to Google Play, but you can't have root.
I don't know if you can unroot a CyanogenMod ROM or not. Haha honestly, this is the only time I've ever seen this requested. Maybe if you remove some binaries and SuperUser completely, but I'm not so sure.
Try the app "voodoo rootkeeper"
Cubanluke88: That worked. I was able to get through the health check of my device. The "UN-Root" button worked like a charm.
I'd just like to provide some info on how this all works.
So the stock OS on the Nook is like most Android devices in that the end user does not have "root access." We have a few tools to allow users to gain root access on the stock OS.
Now, we also have a handful of custom versions of Android (roms). They all, as far as I know, come with root access. This means that upon installing them, whether to internal or booting from an sdcard, you will have root access, i.e. full access to the rom's file system. Developers could, if they so chose, create roms that did not have root access. In fact, back in March, the official CM team added the options in developer options, allowing users to disable root altogether, enable it for Android Debug Bridge mode (ADB) only, enable it for apps only or enable it for both (though I think this is only for CM9 and beyond).
Essentially the OP was asking for a way to have a custom rom (CM7) without root access. The app I suggested disables root access and allows you to toggle it back on when you need it. Its fantastic for stock versions. As many have found out, taking official updates usually removes root access. Voodoo Rootkeeper allows your device to preserve the apps/exploit essential for root access and to restore it when you need it.
^^^ That is the kind of post that helps newbies, like me, learn the ins and outs. Thank you.:good: