I was getting some strange behaviour in CM9 after playing movies with MX player, and discovered that it could be resolved by forcing MX player to stop via the app settings menu. In the process I also discovered something I haven't seen before in any version of Android:
every single app on my touchpad had an active "force stop" button!
I realise that this does not necessarily mean they were running. However, it's the first time I've seen this and I'm curious as to the explanation. None of the apps had been manually started, and few of them are likely to have been started as a part of sync jobs etc.
Anyone know what's going on?
android opens up apps and stores them in the ram so when u click on them they open up faster. However there are some poorly developed apps that stay opened no matter what and hog memory.
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android opens up apps and stores them in the ram so when u click on them they open up faster. However there are some poorly developed apps that stay opened no matter what and hog memory.
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I may be misreading your post... are you saying android loads apps on its own volition and keeps them in RAM? Ie. even without the user starting them?
Let me clarify: all apps--even apps that were not started by me--had the "force stop" button active. Ie. they were all (apparently) pre-emptively loaded into memory. I didn't mean that I started all my apps one after the other and then discovered that they were still in RAM
I realise Android handles processes differently from Windows, but this is something I haven't seen with any froyo or gingerbread ROM. Hence my confusion
That's how android works (and linux), not just ICS. It "loads" apps to fill up it's ram so when you click on an app, it may not have to fully load it if it's already cached. Again, they are not "running", just cached. Unlike Windows, Linux uses all the RAM it can, as it's pointless to have say 500mb of ram free when it can fill that up with pre-loaded apps. This is exactly why task killers are a no-no, as when you kill apps, android sees that free RAM space and will just load those apps back, thus causing an endless cycle.
So basically, don't worry about it, let Android do its thing. The only reason you should ever "kill" or force close an app is if it's not responding.
Aight, I'll have to take your word for it... I was just baffled because I've never seen it in the other ROMS (ie. apps loaded before they were actually started by the user) Perhaps it's because there's more RAM to fill up on the touchpad, who knows.
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That's how android works (and linux), not just ICS. It "loads" apps to fill up it's ram so when you click on an app, it may not have to fully load it if it's already cached. Again, they are not "running", just cached. Unlike Windows, Linux uses all the RAM it can, as it's pointless to have say 500mb of ram free when it can fill that up with pre-loaded apps. This is exactly why task killers are a no-no, as when you kill apps, android sees that free RAM space and will just load those apps back, thus causing an endless cycle.
So basically, don't worry about it, let Android do its thing. The only reason you should ever "kill" or force close an app is if it's not responding.
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Uhm, not to be a jerk, but none of that is true.
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Uhm, not to be a jerk, but none of that is true.
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umm not to be a jerk but umm yes it is. Now u go read!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198#post6426198
Ok, sorry, I wasn't trying to be mean, I just thought your post was very misleading.
So, I did read that link, and I still think you got the facts wrong.
First of all, managing memory in a way that you don't clean up after closed/idle processes is not the same as "pre-loading as many apps as it can to fill up the RAM"
So, a statement like this doesn't hold.
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as it's pointless to have say 500mb of ram free when it can fill that up with pre-loaded apps.
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No it's not. It would be pointless to go through the overhead of opening processes when they are not needed.
If you read again, you'll notice the article says "Android starts the process when any of the application's code needs to be executed", not "starts processes preemptively".
What Linux does is try to avoid deleting memory blocks unless they are required by a new process. If, as you said, it tried to keep RAM filled up at all times, the OS would be unusable.
Hope that makes sense.
It might also be important to note there is a difference between a service running, and the app running. For example Google Voice may have a service running to keep me updated regarding voicemails, but the app isn't running. In the running services I will see an entry for Google voice with an option to stop, but going to my apps and clicking force close on Google voice does not stop the service. I need to stop it from the running services menu, and if I do it pops right back. I see many services running, but I don't see many apps running, on mine.
As I understand it, apps will not resurrect themselves, but services will. I have also understood it that apps remain loaded in the RAM, after opened, but not of their own accord. RAM takes the same amount of battery full as it does empty. So clearing the app out of memory uses processor cycles, and then uses more to reopen the app later. The system is designed to operate at a certain capacity, and will free up RAM as needed. I have also heard experts say only poorly written apps stay running in the background unexpectedly. And that task killers should only be used for rouge apps.
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That's how android works (and linux), not just ICS. It "loads" apps to fill up it's ram so when you click on an app, it may not have to fully load it if it's already cached. Again, they are not "running", just cached. Unlike Windows, Linux uses all the RAM it can, as it's pointless to have say 500mb of ram free when it can fill that up with pre-loaded apps. This is exactly why task killers are a no-no, as when you kill apps, android sees that free RAM space and will just load those apps back, thus causing an endless cycle.
So basically, don't worry about it, let Android do its thing. The only reason you should ever "kill" or force close an app is if it's not responding.
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Windows also caches RAM... According to my understanding Android doesn't do pre-caching like full desktop OSes do, rather it'll keep applications you've opened in memory as long as it can or until the OS feels it needs the RAM for some other operation.
Windows caching 3.6GB of my RAM
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there is a setting in developer options to limit the amount of background apps you want running if you don't want them all running
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Is there any way to prioritize what apps get loaded into ram first when you boot your phone?
In the past I have used the app "Start Up Auditor" to keeps certain apps from running at startup, however, I've never found an app that lets you prioritize. I feel like the OS should take care of that.
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In the past I have used the app "Start Up Auditor" to keeps certain apps from running at startup, however, I've never found an app that lets you prioritize. I feel like the OS should take care of that.
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No no no no, don't use start up auditor. It's horrible horrible. It really doesn't work. At least, for me it never did. I would just let the OS manage everything, it should be doing a fine job. You can't force an app to load into the memory.
Apps don't have a startup list where you can use MSCONFIG, like in Windows. Each application in Android has registered wake events, also known as intents. There is a "BOOT_COMPLETE" wake intent that the Android system sends out when the system is finished starting up. Any apps that are coded to receive that intent, will load themselves into the memory and/or start a service.
It just seems that there are other apps loading first before my launcher is loading. For instance set cpu, sd bootster, widget locker, all load before my launcher loads. Or would appear as there is a lag when I unlock my phone. I would prefer my launcher loaded first. By the way I'm using LauncherPro. Thanks
What's your opinions on task managers? Advanced Task Killer the best? The built in one? Just curious what the general concensus was.
You don't need one, the phone does this plenty fine by itself
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You don't need one, the phone does this plenty fine by itself
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Not sure if this is indicative of me being too untrusting, but it seems that if I check either the built in task manager or Advanced task Killer, I always have about 30 apps running. I kill them and about 30 minutes later they are all running again. Apps that I don't or am not using (maps comes to mind).
According to Lifehacker in quite a few places (I can't post links because I'm new here, but search Google), they aren't worth your while. I use Watchdog to keep track of my CPU usage.
if you must.. use the one built in. Otherwise they are highly advised against. For that very same reason. You kill 30 apps and they come right back. Once in awhile I will check the built in task manager- its usually stays accurate maybe 1 or two apps running like xda or browser, but most of the time my apps behave.
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I use Autostarts.
It's not a task manager as it doesn't kill the app right away but it helps to disable the app from autostarting everytime.
Don't you wonder why is BLOOD AND GLORY running in the background when you haven't even opened it.
I hate games and apps doing background stuff when I don't need them.
LBE plus Autostarts is my combo.
LBE to disable access to apps from my personal data and autostarts to manage when apps should run.
Games should run when opened, not background data mining.
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I use Autostarts.
It's not a task manager as it doesn't kill the app right away but it helps to disable the app from autostarting everytime.
Don't you wonder why is BLOOD AND GLORY running in the background when you haven't even opened it.
I hate games and apps doing background stuff when I don't need them.
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I should look into Autostarts, I barely play that game maybe once a week so I usually freeze it after I am done playing. Lol
Same thing happens with a few other games...
That is the only thing I do not like is background games/apps that do not need to be running since I have yet to open nor plan to and are sitting there doing who knows what.
Was always looking for a "msconfig" type thing for android.
I like the built in one....i wouldn't use any other.
I just is the built in one.....mainly to kill fb if i don't back out. It rapes cpu when you aren't using it
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Not sure if this is indicative of me being too untrusting, but it seems that if I check either the built in task manager or Advanced task Killer, I always have about 30 apps running. I kill them and about 30 minutes later they are all running again. Apps that I don't or am not using (maps comes to mind).
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thats the way Android works. It doesnt mean those apps are actually running, it just means Android allocated memory for those apps but it will remove it if it needs that memory space. Dont kill it ... you're creating extra work because Android will just reallocate that memory space again.
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thats the way Android works. It doesnt mean those apps are actually running, it just means Android allocated memory for those apps but it will remove it if it needs that memory space. Dont kill it ... you're creating extra work because Android will just reallocate that memory space again.
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Ahhh. That makes more sense. Still a little new to android.
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I grabbed Autostarts and its awesome, had so many pointless events that I disabled.
This one in particular made no sense to me at all.
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Now I can get the games I been wanting to play but always get triggered for no reason and run in the background like Blood and Gory & Tap Tap Revenge.
+1 for Autostarts. Been using it since my Captivate days. More than well worth the 99¢ I paid for it back when.
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I grabbed Autostarts and its awesome, had so many pointless events that I disabled.
This one in particular made no sense to me at all.
Now I can get the games I been wanting to play but always get triggered for no reason and run in the background like Blood and Gory & Tap Tap Revenge.
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Wait I wouldn't be quick to judge these as useless. Autostarts lists all of the possible intents that the Android OS publishes. What you are seeing are lists of apps that are registered to receive certain intents. I like to imagine intents as flags that go up saying "hey something happened" and this lets apps know that something occurred.
I downloaded the app and read that com.google.googlenav.friend.reporting.LocationReportingIntentReceiver is registered to handle the action android.intent.action.BATTERY_LOW. What this is saying is that googlenav is registered to respond to the BATTERY_LOW flag. This could mean that the location reporting stops to save battery when the battery is low. Disabling this would mean that service will not stop and continue to report location.
This is only a guess as to how the locationreporting service works for googlenav but it's a great example of how Autostarts works and how you should be careful when using Autostarts.
Silenus21 said:
I use Autostarts.
It's not a task manager as it doesn't kill the app right away but it helps to disable the app from autostarting everytime.
Don't you wonder why is BLOOD AND GLORY running in the background when you haven't even opened it.
I hate games and apps doing background stuff when I don't need them.
LBE plus Autostarts is my combo.
LBE to disable access to apps from my personal data and autostarts to manage when apps should run.
Games should run when opened, not background data mining.
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Forgive my ignorance... But what is LBE?
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Sorry didn't see the thread.
Do a market search.
LBE Privacy guard.
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I second LBE Privacy Guard and Watchdog.. both great apps. LBE lets you decide what apps are allowed to do with your information and connections, so that even if one is running in the background, it can't accomplish anything you don't want it to. You can even choose whether an app is allowed to use cellular data, or just wifi. It's personally one of the most important apps on my phone, and it's never caused a problem with any of my 100+ apps.
Watchdog simply keeps an eye on all the running apps, and lets you know when one of them uses up more resources than you designate. It's basically the 'Gingerbread' version of task-killers, which are counter-productive with Gingerbread and newer versions of Android.
Android 2.3+ in itself does a great job managing apps in the foreground and background, but it's still reassuring to have an app keeping an eye on them just in case. Overall though, if you keep killing apps over & over, the OS just has to waste resources and battery life reloading them into the memory. Just because you see them running in the background doesn't mean they're actually active, just queued in case you decide to launch one.
Another great app for monitoring these apps is System Monitor. You can see exactly what apps are running in the background, as well as how much resources they're using. It even keeps a history (in the pro version) that lets you see your worst offenders over the last few hours/days/weeks etc.
zoso28 said:
I second LBE Privacy Guard and Watchdog.. both great apps. LBE lets you decide what apps are allowed to do with your information and connections, so that even if one is running in the background, it can't accomplish anything you don't want it to. You can even choose whether an app is allowed to use cellular data, or just wifi. It's personally one of the most important apps on my phone, and it's never caused a problem with any of my 100+ apps.
Watchdog simply keeps an eye on all the running apps, and lets you know when one of them uses up more resources than you designate. It's basically the 'Gingerbread' version of task-killers, which are counter-productive with Gingerbread and newer versions of Android.
Android 2.3+ in itself does a great job managing apps in the foreground and background, but it's still reassuring to have an app keeping an eye on them just in case. Overall though, if you keep killing apps over & over, the OS just has to waste resources and battery life reloading them into the memory. Just because you see them running in the background doesn't mean they're actually active, just queued in case you decide to launch one.
Another great app for monitoring these apps is System Monitor. You can see exactly what apps are running in the background, as well as how much resources they're using. It even keeps a history (in the pro version) that lets you see your worst offenders over the last few hours/days/weeks etc.
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Android already has built in system img mgmt. Configuring this does wonders on a device specific basis. I think common knowledge also indicates that mostly avoiding task killers might be preferred in most situations. For instance CM7 has a built in cache mgmt system. Others are available for use with Sammy ROM (Romtoolbox etc)
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Android already has built in system img mgmt. Configuring this does wonders on a device specific basis. I think common knowledge also indicates that mostly avoiding task killers might be preferred in most situations. For instance CM7 has a built in cache mgmt system. Others are available for use with Sammy ROM (Romtoolbox etc)
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Exactly...
In Settings... General... Application manager... All you can disable a lot of the bloat that comes with the phone, freeing a good amount of RAM memory. Simply click on the app and then click Disable.
These are the apps I disabled; I focused on apps that were appearing in memory:
Accessories - Verizon accessories catalog
Amazon - Amazon widgets
Appstore - Amazon appstore
Caller Name ID - Verizon caller ID (paid service)
Clock Widget - Nice but takes valuable screen space
LG Intelligent Agent - No idea what this does
Life Square - LG life logging software
Life Square Log Manager
Music - LG music player; I use Google Play
Music - LG music widget
My InfoZone - some Verizon thing
NFL Mobile
Slacker - Music radio service
Slide Aside - Alternative task switcher, largely useless as implemented
Sync Service - Verizon sync service for Backup Assistance+ Contacts
Text Link - Allows you to take actions based on text in messages, such as add a calendar entry
Text Link Engine
Verizon Location Agent - Provides Verizon-specific web services API to web apps that want your location
Verizon Mobile Security - Verizon mobile malware protection
Verizon Tones - Verizon ring tones shop
Voice Mate - LG's attempt at Google Now / Siri
VZ Navigator - Verizon maps service (paid service)
I'm still trying to determine whether to disable the app called Vzw SMS Filter Service; does anyone know what it does?
Here's my free memory (upper left) after a reboot:
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What's the obsession with RAM and this phone? Freeing up RAM was so Galaxy S one ago.
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Android hates free ram. Free ran is wasted let android handle it.
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I'm more happy about disabling worthless bloat
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What's the obsession with RAM and this phone? Freeing up RAM was so Galaxy S one ago.
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It frees up memory for the apps and services that I'm interested in running. Why should I be running Verizon Location Services for the next year or two taking up 25mb of memory and forcing my apps into inactive state or worse flushing them from ram altogether? Makes no sense at all. I got this phone hoping I could run more stuff and keep Chrome active, and found that LG and Verizon had used up most of the extra memory capacity with junk I'm not interested in.
Ok rant over
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It frees up memory for the apps and services that I'm interested in running. Why should I be running Verizon Location Services for the next year or two taking up 25mb of memory and forcing my apps into inactive state or worse flushing them from ram altogether? Makes no sense at all. I got this phone hoping I could run more stuff and keep Chrome active, and found that LG and Verizon had used up most of the extra memory capacity with junk I'm not interested in.
Ok rant over
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I don't have this phone yet, so I can't say for sure, but can't you root, back up your stock ROM (to preserve your eligibility to receive future official otas), and then delete all the bloat you don't want?
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garywojdan81 said:
I don't have this phone yet, so I can't say for sure, but can't you root, back up your stock ROM (to preserve your eligibility to receive future official otas), and then delete all the bloat you don't want?
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Yes I believe you can. I haven't done root yet, this is an alternative way to reclaim RAM, that doesn't require root.
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Yes I believe you can. I haven't done root yet, this is an alternative way to reclaim RAM, that doesn't require root.
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Sorry man, didn't catch that. I've been doing this so long that I can't even conceive of not wanting root asap.
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Lol gotta love the free ram is wasted ram crowd, go ask Zepp what he thinks about that
Disabling Sync Service causes Backup Assistant+ to crash several times a day.
I didn't enable Backup Assistant. Try disabling it in settings... General... backup assistant plus
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For me, backup assistant is the first thing to go after I root.
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You know what, i dont ever remember setting it up. Tech must have done so when I activated device at the store. I can't get rid of it or disable it. I guess rooting is the only way, but I'm holding off on root for now.
Thanks guys.
ozzyager said:
I'm more happy about disabling worthless bloat
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Not to mention, a lot of the worthless bloat has the 'receive boot completed' permission, which can make your phone take longer to startup. Disabling it gets rid of that.
(For the apps you want to keep but don't want starting up at boot, Xposed + BootManager works nicely)
4.0.4+ handles ram dynamically, hence the no need to clear your ram or run task killers.
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4.0.4+ handles ram dynamically, hence the no need to clear your ram or run task killers.
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If the app has been disabled it never needs to be handled, cleared, or killed.
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It's odd, the LG Intelligent Agent still shows as being cached in RAM even though it's been disabled. And even when I Force stop it it's still in cache. Weird!
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I've started noticing that i had an increased battery consumption under google play services. Not INSANELY high, the highest one is still whatsapp at 20%, however google play services comes a close second at 14% and a long ways from the third at sub 3%. Is it possible that after trying out APKs installed outside the google play store i've gotten a virus that consumes battery under google play services? I looked into the apps installed using app inspector but i didn't recognize any obvious virus apk in the phone. I then ran it with the borderline useless McAffee virus scan and it found nothing. Could it be this is just normal use? I remember when i first got the phone that the battery was a LOT more efficient a few months ago but i haven't been using whatsapp that often like to justify having the battery drain from 100% to 0% in one week to half a week.
Ditch WhatsApp, it's a security risk. FB, Twatter, Instascam... take out the trash. If you can't access, login and use a social media platform by browser alone, don't use it. Time to deep six these self serving platforms.
Google backup Transport can suck down the battery.
Clear data in Google play Services and Framework
Yep, Social media apps will suck the battery dry....
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Ditch WhatsApp, it's a security risk. FB, Twatter, Instascam... take out the trash. If you can't access, login and use a social media platform by browser alone, don't use it. Time to deep six these self serving platforms.
Google backup Transport can suck down the battery.
Clear data in Google play Services and Framework
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hahahahahaha trust me, i think i told you long ago when i was first debloating my phone and i will repeat it. I would take whatsapp out and never touch it again if not because its the primary method of communication in the entire continent.
I cleared data for google play and the framework, hope this one solves my issues since finding the virus without doing a factory reset will be annoying. Is gservices (com.google.process.gservices) required for the phone to work or for the google framework, or can i take it out?
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hahahahahaha trust me, i think i told you long ago when i was first debloating my phone and i will repeat it. I would take whatsapp out and never touch it again if not because its the primary method of communication in the entire continent.
I cleared data for google play and the framework, hope this one solves my issues since finding the virus without doing a factory reset will be annoying. Is gservices (com.google.process.gservices) required for the phone to work or for the google framework, or can i take it out?
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Lol, we've likely had this discussion.
WhatsApp has been banned in India and Russia.
Email, texts or phone is all I use to communicate.
These social apps try to make themselves indispensable like worms in a dog. Fact is they are expendable assets when they become a parasite... which is what they are. They take far more than they give.
Not sure, com.google.process.gservices as such isn't present on my phone.
Verify apks with online Virustotal if any doubt exists.
You're running that phone too fast and loose, it will get tagged sooner or latter. This N10+ running on Pie sees heavy internet usage and hasn't had any malware on it for 2 years. This load will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Part of its longevity is because I don't allow social media apps to run on it.
You can try temporarily disabling Google play Services especially at night. Gmail and Playstore need it to work as does Backup Transport. Some 3rd party apps need it to run, which I really don't like and those apps I keep on a very short leash.
Some apps only need it when they first start up.
Normally I run Google play Services only once or twice a day.
im afraid i need google play services because without it i dont get notifications while the phone is locked. It makes some apps work on the background which justifies the battery. What im wondering is if there's any potential virus that could be hidden under the Google apk. Even charging my phone through the PC on USB goes from 7 hours to 24, so im wondering if its just randomly whatsap and google, battery degradation, a virus, or if this is just normal. I even wiped the cache partition just to make sure but it didn't help much.
The sad thing about whatsapp is that here in southamerica where SMS messages cost a **** ton more than anywhere else in the world, its the defacto communication system for everyone or any group, family, friends, or work related.
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im afraid i need google play services because without it i dont get notifications while the phone is locked. It makes some apps work on the background which justifies the battery. What im wondering is if there's any potential virus that could be hidden under the Google apk. Even charging my phone through the PC on USB goes from 7 hours to 24, so im wondering if its just randomly whatsap and google, battery degradation, a virus, or if this is just normal. I even wiped the cache partition just to make sure but it didn't help much.
The sad thing about whatsapp is that here in southamerica where SMS messages cost a **** ton more than anywhere else in the world, its the defacto communication system for everyone or any group, family, friends, or work related.
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If you can use WhatsApp by browser (Brave browser) login, do so.
Do not download anything from that site or members. Any download is a risk from there.
High battery consumption is a common problem on Androids and not necessarily virus or malware related.
What device and OS version are you using?
blackhawk said:
If you can use WhatsApp by browser (Brave browser) login, do so.
Do not download anything from that site or members. Any download is a risk from there.
High battery consumption is a common problem on Androids and not necessarily virus or malware related.
What device and OS version are you using?
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Samsung Galaxy A-32. Android 11, last updated Jan 1 2022.
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Samsung Galaxy A-32. Android 11, last updated Jan 1 2022.
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If you don't use Google backup, disable it. Disable Samsung cloud as well if not used.
You can use a package disabler to more effectively stop bloatware from running at boot.
Turn off all carrier, Google and Samsung feedback in settings. Turn off Google Firebase.
Try turning off all power management in Device Care.
Use this setting change:
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Will do. Because something really ****y happened. On the slow charging via computer... My phone just aint charging. It DETECTS the charge and it says that its charging, but it just consumes more power than it gets from the USB. I dont think i ever seen this happen in all my previous phones.
As for google/samsung, i dont use them to begin with. I never made an account with samsung and i never logged in to google with my google account.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Will do. Because something really ****y happened. On the slow charging via computer... My phone just aint charging. It DETECTS the charge and it says that its charging, but it just consumes more power than it gets from the USB. I dont think i ever seen this happen in all my previous phones.
As for google/samsung, i dont use them to begin with. I never made an account with samsung and i never logged in to google with my google account.
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Use a Samsung 25w brick and the cable that comes with it for charging.
Haha. I wouldn't put it past samsung to give me the ****tiest charging cable, but im still wondering if this is normal behaviour.
IN CASE that i had a virus, reinstalling the app that i suspect could be infected (googleplayservices) would remove the virus, or not?
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Haha. I wouldn't put it past samsung to give me the ****tiest charging cable, but im still wondering if this is normal behaviour.
IN CASE that i had a virus, reinstalling the app that i suspect could be infected (googleplayservices) would remove the virus, or not?
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Factory reset if you suspect a virus. Don't play around with an infected Android.
Be more careful going forward.
blackhawk said:
Factory reset if you suspect a virus. Don't play around with an infected Android.
Be more careful going forward.
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I will, i just want to make sure i know whats going on for the future for troubleshooting, that's why i was asking about good phone anti virus or ways to know if i removed it.
Battery consumption went down after i switched a setting that "automated" battery use.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
I will, i just want to make sure i know whats going on for the future for troubleshooting, that's why i was asking about good phone anti virus or ways to know if i removed it.
Battery consumption went down after i switched a setting that "automated" battery use.
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Antivirus is not very useful. A scan with Malwarebytes can spot rogue software sometimes without impacting performance.
Best defense is be very careful what you install, and to a lesser extent download.
Use Brave browser. Be aware of how your phone is behaving and find the cause of any abnormal behavior. Most times it a 3rd party app or settings causing it.
If malware is suspected and it takes more then an hour or two to completely eliminate it, factory reset. Go full nuke.
Reset your Google password after the reset... and don't repeat the mistake that caused it.
Trust me i learn from my mistakes. Thankfuly i do use brave browser, but it didn't warn me of anything weird. I didn't know there was a malware bytes for phone but im gonna look into it. It seems that my decision to never log in with anything important into the phone wasn't a bad idea after all.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Trust me i learn from my mistakes. Thankfuly i do use brave browser, but it didn't warn me of anything weird. I didn't know there was a malware bytes for phone but im gonna look into it. It seems that my decision to never log in with anything important into the phone wasn't a bad idea after all.
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It may not be malware at all. It's a good idea to check the download folder daily for any file you didn't download or anything that looks amiss. Better to delete than be sorry. Open files in the download folder before adding to database including jpegs.
One scripted jpeg will change the way you think of malware. Had one on XP Pro and the latest on Android, the latter did limited damage to files in the download folder when opened. Deleting it stopped its reign of terror
Observation ie cause and effect can help you pick off these little buggers. Don't count on them being detected. They're rare but out there.
So the download folder kinda works as a safety box? IDK then. The battery drain was the only clue i had and now that its fixed im just curious about how one can be sure.
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So the download folder kinda works as a safety box? IDK then. The battery drain was the only clue i had and now that its fixed im just curious about how one can be sure.
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Well if it can't breach the folder... but if you put in a folder with a lot of loose files it would cause a lot of damage. This particular one didn't damage any folders or their files that were in the download folder. Not very damaging if caught promptly otherwise they could be little nightmares that be hard to track down.
Samsung's are notorious for being battery hogs if not optimized, no malware needed
Generally I look for other odd behaviors than just excessive battery consumption. Some apk(s) is using that power to do some task... you need to try and ID it then stop it. I have had very little trouble with malware on Android.
Actually, people telling you off arent completely right. GP services can cause battery drain. You rooted ?
if not go see cpu load or at least which frequencies are used. If all apps are closed ( as in swiped away by you frequency should be the lowest. If it jumps it can point to a problem.
Still, in summary you wont be able to help any GP services battery drain issues if you are not rooted. If yes, you can identify the service or task that keeps giving you problems and just kill it. Most of the time it wont have usability killing effects ( most...)
Years ago, the “Device maintenance” section of Samsung TouchWiz settings had an option to clear the cache of all apps in one click, in addition to the option in the "Apps" section to do so for each app individually. Currently, One UI only has the option to do it for each app separately. The "Device care" storage section doesn't have the first (and more convenient) option anymore.
Why?
I clear my S23U cache using recovery option.
On my N10+/Pie I still have the old Device Care with 360° (firewall blocked) but it can't clean individual app caches.
SD Maid Pro does a good cleaning job, I use this along with Device Care and clearing the system cache about once a month. That's mostly all the maintenance I have to do. This load will be 3 yo in June, still running fast and stable.
My S4+/Kitkat Touchwiz had nothing at all for that in the firmware.
blackhawk said:
but it can't clean individual app caches.
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Again, individual apps can be cleaned in the "Apps" section in settings. But the "Device maintenance" (in TouchWiz) allowed it to be done in one click. Now, "Device care" in One UI lacks that option.
mzsquared said:
I clear my S23U cache using recovery option.
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That's the system partition cache. I'm not talking about that.
xda-eh said:
Years ago, the “Device maintenance” section of Samsung TouchWiz settings had an option to clear the cache of all apps in one click, in addition to the option in the "Apps" section to do so for each app individually. Currently, One UI only has the option to do it for each app separately. The "Device care" storage section doesn't have the first (and more convenient) option anymore.
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I miss this function too. Sometimes a lot of space are in the ass and now like you I need to do it one by one...
It was an Android function, not specific a Samsung function. Therefore Google removed it, not Samsung...
OnnoJ said:
It was an Android function, not specific a Samsung function. Therefore Google removed it, not Samsung...
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Android Assistant free on Google Play Store does the same job
I use SD Maid for this, and the other tasks it carries out.
jinky67 said:
Android Assistant free on Google Play Store does the same job
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... and possibly a lot of other things on the side.
Security-wise that app is no option with all it's required permissions, while reportedly triggering malware reports...
Add to this that many comments in Play store indicate the app is not working as advertised.
Isn't that what Memory Guardian (part of the Good Guardian package on Galaxy Store) is for ?
s3axel said:
Isn't that what Memory Guardian (part of the Good Guardian package on Galaxy Store) is for ?
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Memory guardian deals with memory, not storage. It does not clear caches...
I thought the "Optimize" button automatically does this including looking for apps constantly crashing, closing apps running in the background and looking for abnormal battery usage.
cledee said:
I thought the "Optimize" button automatically does this including looking for apps constantly crashing, closing apps running in the background and looking for abnormal battery usage.
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Cleans the system logs which is useful but not the app caches.
According to this Samsung support, the only way to do it for all apps is to perform a factory reset. I guess it's also possible on a 3rd party app which is the better route than doing a factory reset.
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cledee said:
According to this Samsung support, the only way to do it for all apps is to perform a factory reset. I guess it's also possible on a 3rd party app which is the better route than doing a factory reset.
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Lol, their cure for everything with their world class inept tech support
Been using SD Maid pro for 3 years and it works very well. Does this and more, helps to keep the system running fast. Zero damage to files or apps, just be careful if you alter the default settings or delete duplicate files (not recommended).
This load will be 3 yo in June, still running like a bat out of hell.
Samsung improved Good Guardians Galaxy App Booster which runs fast and well now. It sped up SD Maid's cache clearing noticably for me. Didn't cause any harm.
Other than policing apps for misbehavior and resolving any issue that may arise, doing the above and clearing the system cache will keep a load running well for years. No stinking factory reset needed if you do this and DO NOT upgrade/update the firmware.
cledee said:
According to this Samsung support, the only way to do it for all apps is to perform a factory reset. I guess it's also possible on a 3rd party app which is the better route than doing a factory reset.
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It can be done via recovery no need to do factory reset
hoss_n2 said:
It can be done via recovery no need to do factory reset
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That's the system cache not the individual app caches!
blackhawk said:
Lol, their cure for everything with their world class inept tech support
Been using SD Maid pro for 3 years and it works very well. Does this and more, helps to keep the system running fast. Zero damage to files or apps, just be careful if you alter the default settings or delete duplicate files (not recommended).
This load will be 3 yo in June, still running like a bat out of hell.
Samsung improved Good Guardians Galaxy App Booster which runs fast and well now. It sped up SD Maid's cache clearing noticably for me. Didn't cause any harm.
Other than policing apps for misbehavior and resolving any issue that may arise, doing the above and clearing the system cache will keep a load running well for years. No stinking factory reset needed if you do this and DO NOT upgrade/update the firmware.
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You are the only person in universe that is against software updates, dunno why but You've been saying that for years
hoss_n2 said:
You are the only person in universe that is against software updates, dunno why but You've been saying that for years
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Because I have virtually zero issues, no malware and loads of playtime because of this. This device continues to fulfill its mission rather then waste my time and that's the only thing that counts.
It really sucks You can do what you want... I use whatever works and comes in handy.
hoss_n2 said:
It can be done via recovery no need to do factory reset
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That's the system partition cache. We're not talking about that here. We're discussing app caches.
The two should not be confused.