Motorola Defy(+) users are with you on this subject of locked bootloaders.
United we stand to bring Moto to its knees and stick to the promise they made in 2011:
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”Anyone who wants to vent their opinion directly at Motorola can visit the Motodev bootloader discussion board, which was opened yesterday:
Welcome to the Bootloader discussion board:
Motorola has recently expanded the number of devices that allow developers to unlock the bootloader, including the new Motorola RAZR Developer Edition and the Motorola XOOM (Wi-Fi and UMTS). This forum is to facilitate peer-to-peer support and help us better understand your development needs and issues related to this topic. Your input and feedback is important to the evolution of our developer-focused products and we look forward to some lively and enlightening conversations. Please respect our user guidelines when posting feedback.
http://community.developer.motorola...ader-discussion-board/td-p/22108?pubid=987654I guess, most RAZR users here are more than willing to share their enlightening opinion on Moto's locked bootloader policy and their promise to have it unlocked late 2011. I already made the 1st reply on their board (F0nz0).
Let's flood them!!
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Not to say this will make it a reality for us to receive an official unlocked boot loader but check out Motorola Mobility's External Idea Submission page here http://eis.motorola.com and let us be heard formally. According to the site, "EIS is the only method by which Motorola Mobility will receive and/or review any unsolicited external idea. Any external idea submitted to Motorola Mobility, Inc. by any other means will not be reviewed and will be promptly returned to the submitter, if physical, or automatically deleted, if electronic."
We can only hope and let's keep this going guys. At least at the moment, unofficially via the Motorola Forums, a Motorola Employee and forum moderator has responded to my questions in reference to our recent response to Soni's announcement and request for an unlocked boot loader and additional drivers necessary to support the devices on our own. This at least shows us in one avenue they are hearing us outside of the social sites.
So let's file our requests formally to get it into their ticketing system as another avenue of hope. Or maybe I am just too optimistic and delirious at this point. :silly:
Cheers,
GP
What does the term external idea mean specifically to the site you reference?
It sounds rather vague and searching for it shows some different meanings.
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hoslayer13 said:
What does the term external idea mean specifically to the site you reference?
It sounds rather vague and searching for it shows some different meanings.
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I believe "external" means outside of Motorola and unsolicited means that they did not pursue or give us a list of ideas or option to choose from that could sway their vetting process. Just another mechanism to possibly be objective in picking or researching the next features or functionality to implement in their devices. Because if they were to conduct internal feedback then it is "internal" and may not be what customers/consumers really want.
Plus, maybe an employee could be voicing an opinion or request from consumers but also receiving requests externally it validates what they have already on their list of topics and ideas for releasing? Just my guess. But at least there is a "formal" way of getting our requests heard.
hoslayer13 said:
What does the term external idea mean specifically to the site you reference?
It sounds rather vague and searching for it shows some different meanings.
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So I filed my formal request for the idea of having the official bootloader released and here is the general information that they provide, which is an actual EIS ID # to track the request and the following verbiage which I hope shines some more light into your question:
Thank you for providing Motorola Mobility, Inc. with your unsolicited idea.
We have a dedicated team, “External Idea Submissions” that reviews such submissions. Our team will contact you within thirty (30) days to indicate if we are interested in discussing your idea further. (Please note: Only the External Idea Submissions team has access to your submission.)
For your records, below we have reproduced the terms and conditions under which you agreed and provided your submission.
We wish you good luck in your endeavors.
Sincerely,
Motorola Mobility, Inc.
External Idea Submissions
Intellectual Property Section
Law Department
EIS LEGAL NOTICE:
PLEASE BE ADVISED, MOTOROLA MOBILITY INC. IS ONLY WILLING TO RECEIVE YOUR UNSOLICITED IDEA SUBMISSION UPON THE CONDITION THAT YOU AGREE TO ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE BELOW AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT, CLICK THE "CANCEL" BUTTON AND YOUR INFORMATION WILL NOT BE SUBMITTED TO MOTOROLA MOBILITY, INC.
MOTOROLA MOBILITY, INC. -- EIS LEGAL AGREEMENT
Over the years many ideas for improvements have been voluntarily submitted to us by persons outside of Motorola Mobility, Inc. ("Motorola"). We appreciate the confidence in Motorola shown by such persons. We do not require that the submitter obtain, or even to have applied for, a patent on an idea before submitting the idea. If a disclosure is made under the conditions recited herein, and the Motorola is interested thereafter in further considering the idea, negotiations will be undertaken to try to arrive at terms which are equitable to both parties and will take care of the needs of the particular situation.
Motorola is only will to permit Your submission of Your unsolicited idea, if you agree and acknowledge that Your submission hereunder does not imply or create:
1. A confidential relationship for any idea submitted to Motorola.
2. A promise to pay, inasmuch as Motorola's obligations to You, the submitter, under all circumstance shall be only those which are made to You in writing; and
3. A recognition by Motorola of either the novelty or originality of the Your unsolicited idea.
Motorola cannot consider an idea on the condition that it shall return any material submitted if the idea is not found to be of interest. When the material is submitted to Motorola hereunder, You, the submitter, should keep a duplicate for Your own record, and should any controversy unfortunately arise, this material is necessary as evidence of what was disclosed to Motorola.
If a patent has issued, You may simply submit a copy of the same with additional comments that might be helpful.
If an application for patent has been filed, a copy of the same can be submitted to Motorola for its consideration. Otherwise the disclosure should be by written description and sketches, and all should be sufficiently complete and clear so that Your unsolicited idea can be readily understood.
In whatever form an unsolicited idea or a patent invention is submitted to Motorola, it will be helpful if You, the submitter, point out what You believe to be new, and set forth some of the advantages which You think Your unsolicited idea has over known devices or processes.
Motorola will give Your submission such consideration as in the judgment of Motorola it merits, but in reporting its conclusion can assume no obligation further than to say whether or not it is interested in acquiring patent rights or other rights.
This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement between You and Motorola with respect to Your submission hereunder, and supersedes all previous communications, representations, understandings and agreements, either oral or written, between You and Motorola regarding Your submission. This Agreement may not be modified or waived except in writing and signed by an officer or other authorized representative of each party. If any provision is held invalid, all other provisions shall remain valid, unless such invalidity would frustrate the purpose of our Agreement. The failure of either party to enforce any rights granted hereunder or to take action against the other party in the event of any breach hereunder shall not be deemed a waiver by that party as to subsequent enforcement of rights or subsequent action in the event of future breaches.
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Idea submitted. Thanks. Hopefully others will follow suit
I have seven threads across two sites pointing to the Official Support My Moto thread. Would you mind reposting this info there?
Lokifish Marz said:
I have seven threads across two sites pointing to the Official Support My Moto thread. Would you mind reposting this info there?
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Sure. Done as requested.
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Be A Part Of Team Pongnamu!
We currently aim for 2010 Xperias but will soon aim for 2011, 2012, 2013 Xperias
We are going to develop many cool ROMs and more!
So, I made a team and the current members are: pongnamu and muhammed cambaz.
We are going to look for your passion for developing more than your skill.
In here, all of you have chances to get selected!
So, EVERYONE CAN REGISTER EVEN YOU ARE NEW OR NOT GOOD AT DEVELOPMENT IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HELP US.
What are you waiting for? Please go to HERE to register and find out more information.
I will accept registration until JAN 31.
We will send you email if you got selected and advanced to Q2 (Almost every people advanced to Q2 will get selected).
We welcome you from any manufacter or phone!
We are waiting for you!
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I just went to both the T-Mobile and Sprint forums, just for kicks, to see what they have to choose from. And what do I see, everything I want!!!! I'm so sad, why can't Verizon stop being douche bags and let us unlock our bootloaders!!!! Like htc, they log who had unlocked it so even if we revert to stock they still know we went through the unlocking process.
I saw and signed, the Verizon unlock bootloader petition, but that is just sending a very simple email to Samsung and Verizon, it's not getting in the public eye. What we need to do is create a petition with change . org and maybe challenge the current law that allows then to do this. I mean purchased this phone, it's our phone, we should be the deciders if our phones bootloader is unlocked or not.
I am going to check it out and research and start one. I believe if we hit 100,000 signatures the whitehouse must respond to it and we may win a battle the devs have been fighting for a very long time. I will be back so stay tuned, let's use this thread as a discussion thread, please don't close and lock this thread.
Thanks
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Couple of points
I am going to try to sound as friendly as possible, but you know how online works, every thing is taken in a hostile way.
1- we have a thread with the same petition, that no re-reading your post says you have seen and signed it, its also a change.org petition too. Started by a member who I really respect, Brandonrz. We hit a lil over 650 sigs and it has been around for a long time. So not sure how another petition on the same site will generate more sigs.
2- its not your phone, more than half of it is subsidized by verizon. If you want your own phone, buy a DE phone. It comes in unlocked, for the full retail price. Tmobile users pay the full price of the phone, just spread out. Not sure how sprint subsidy works.
3- I really cant speak for mods, but from what I have seen, they don't respond well to " don't lock or close threads" they prefer those statements to be made in private messaging. Again, this is just a friendly advice, I am not a mod, and I cant speak for them.
4- one mod made a point before: XDA is not a petition site, its a development site. She/He was nice enough to let one petition thread stay, not sure if they will react the same in regard to this thread.
all the best .
1- we have a thread with the same petition
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2- its not your phone, more than half of it is subsidized by verizon. If you want your own phone, buy a DE phone. It comes in unlocked, for the full retail price. Tmobile users pay the full price of the phone, just spread out. Not sure how sprint subsidy works.
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4- one mod made a point before: XDA is not a petition site, its a development site. She/He was nice enough to let one petition thread stay, not sure if they will react the same in regard to this thread.
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In response to the quoted portions of the previous post;
#1- This is exactly right, there is an existing petition thread for this same exact issue, please do not duplicate existing threads.
#2- This is also true, however, I fully support the fact that carriers should not be allowed to hide open source software behind proprietary programs by means of a method termed Tivoization.
That being said, the Kernels for android were released under GPLv2, and this issue was not countered by the FSF until the release of GPLv3, effectively tying our hands. A petition might let them know you're angry about it, but they have every right under current law and licensing to laugh at you. And they are.
#4- You're absolutely right, I will not. Creating this second thread for the same purposes of the original serves no purpose and becomes redundant. While I can appreciate the passion displayed by the OP in regards to this matter, this thread is closed as a duplicate. Please be sure to read the Forum Rules in regards to posting.
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