I've been considering for a while to buy a good headphones and I've decided to buy an audio technica ath-m50. The only thing that is bothering me is the yamaha audio chip. If I buy those headphones, I'll be using them most of the time on my sgs2.
Will the yamaha chip make the ath-m50 sound like a cheap low-end headphone?
If you happen to own an ath-m50 I wold really appreciate it if you could measure the hollow of the earth cups, diagonally and horizontally maybe. I've read that people with large ears may find them uncomfortable. The length of my ears are just below 7cm(I don't care, they are small, my mum told me that)
I've read supercurio's analysis of the audio chip but my question still remains.
Waiting eagerly for any response.
Get an iPod nano- excellent sound quality and a great price. I hate using my GSII for music though Poweramp is a great app
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WagTwo said:
I've been considering for a while to buy a good headphones and I've decided to buy an audio technica ath-m50. The only thing that is bothering me is the yamaha audio chip. If I buy those headphones, I'll be using them most of the time on my sgs2.
Will the yamaha chip make the ath-m50 sound like a cheap low-end headphone?
If you happen to own an ath-m50 I wold really appreciate it if you could measure the hollow of the earth cups, diagonally and horizontally maybe. I've read that people with large ears may find them uncomfortable. The length of my ears are just below 7cm(I don't care, they are small, my mum told me that)
I've read supercurio's analysis of the audio chip but my question still remains.
Waiting eagerly for any response.
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Well, if you really want to use a pair of high end headphones with the galaxy sII, get a portable amp like i did. I got a fiio e7, and it powers the ath-m50just fine. Listening to them straight out of the GSII audio jack wont let them utilise their full power. And dont get an iPod if you want really high quality audio. :-/ (Just a suggestion )
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@OP go head and also look at this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1405840
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@OP go head and also look at this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1405840
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I have bought that app even though I rarely use it because for me the s2 is loud enough. I'm more worried about the quality of the sound.
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I have bought that app even though I rarely use it because for me the s2 is loud enough. I'm more worried about the quality of the sound.
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It simple buddy take your handset into a store that sells these headsets and test the thing in house.
From there your should be able to make up your mind.
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It simple buddy take your handset into a store that sells these headsets and test the thing in house.
From there your should be able to make up your mind.
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I've thought of this, the only problem is finding a store that sells the audio technica ath-m50. I live in London I'm sure there is plenty of stores.
However this would not be much help because I'm not very experienced with high end headphones, so probably almost anything will sound good to me.
If you want to listen to boom boom music with heavy bass then the SGS2 is inadequate .Expensive headphones are not going to do that much .
However as a user who does not have any boom boom music i find stock player headphones or slightly upmarket low end Sennheiser headphones fine .
Power Amp for me strangely lowers sound output level .
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I've the same experience as JJEgan with Power Amp. It seems to boost dynamic range at the sacrifice of overall volume.
For getting the best out of high-end headphones, you could always try Neutron Music Player from Android Market. It claims to use its own "32-bit audio music rendering core", although it's debatable whether this makes a difference, given that uncompressed CDs only have 16-bits per sample. People seem to like it, though.
Just recently I noticed something when listening to music using Poweramp with a headphone.
When you click on something such as the app drawer, the volume of the music that you are listening to increases for fraction of a second then it goes back to normal.
It can be very annoying when you are using the phone while listening.
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Thanks for all the replies.
I've started to change my mind about buying an audio technica ath-m50, maybe I should stick with the headphones from poundland.
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I've the same experience as JJEgan with Power Amp. It seems to boost dynamic range at the sacrifice of overall volume.
For getting the best out of high-end headphones, you could always try Neutron Music Player from Android Market. It claims to use its own "32-bit audio music rendering core", although it's debatable whether this makes a difference, given that uncompressed CDs only have 16-bits per sample. People seem to like it, though.
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Tried Neutron at the weekend, and these old ears couldn't see - OK, hear - what the fuss is about. No difference from Poweramp with a very unscientific ABX on my Sennheiser IE8s.
Definitely the worst UI I've seen on any music player though - so hideous that it should win awards.
Get rockbox.
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I use studio beats by dre, they have an amp built into them and they kick bass hard, hi fi quality audio! I work in poundland and trust me their headphones don't work well with the sg2, i hope this helps
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I'm going to buy AKG K240 mk II.
I will buy a FiiO E6 with the AKG. The last tweaks will be done with DSP.
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Senn HD25-1s and Ety ER4-Ps both sound fine straight out of the headphone socket.
Using poweramp, without any eq or tone control tweaks, just ~30% crossfeed.
I read all the reports of crappy audio on the GS2, so when I got mine and tried it I was very pleasantly suprised.
Whereabouts in Poweramp settings is crossfeed...Didn't realise Poweramp supported it ?
bejay said:
Senn HD25-1s and Ety ER4-Ps both sound fine straight out of the headphone socket.
Using poweramp, without any eq or tone control tweaks, just ~30% crossfeed.
I read all the reports of crappy audio on the GS2, so when I got mine and tried it I was very pleasantly suprised.
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On the tone/vol/bal page, next to the volume control. It's labeled stereo x.
Ahhhh. So that's what Poweramp calls crossfeed. Gotcha Yeah I normally have that on around 35% with Brainwavz M3's.
Thanks for that bit of info
Edit to add - Out of thanks for the day, will hit you up later.
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On the tone/vol/bal page, next to the volume control. It's labeled stereo x.
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No problem
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Finally gave up the ol iPhone 3G and "upgraded" to an SGSII. I paid a lot of money and figured it'd work, but there are two extremely niggling problems that I cannot fix.
1. No one calling me can hear me unless I use speakerphone. I did successfully fix that once with some settings accessed by typing in a number and changing a few things, but that reset when I reset my phone...I've yet to be able to fix this.
2. When listening to music on my massive Sennheiser headphones I can't hear much at all. On the iPhone if I'd even approached full volume, I woulda blown my head off, on the SGSII, even on full, Metallica sounds like a soothing lullaby.
Are there any fixes for these issues? Or are these things that perhaps are fixed simply from having a different firmware? An almost 800 dollar phone, it'd be nice if it did two basic functions without flopping.
All help is appreciated.
EDIT: Oh and forgot to mention, I know the mic works thanks to speaker phone making me heard and I know headphones/sound output can be louder because the app Volume+ or whatever boosts it fine. I just don't want to use a seperate app each time, I want a more permanant fix.
EDIT2: Okay, Poweramp works fine, and I also see types of headphones are to blame. Like the earphones that came with the phone are fine. They have 3 notches on the plug as opposed to 2. I'd say that's a fair indication. Anyway, can consider this problem solved.
Also I've been told my warranty was indeed automatic, so if I truly cannot fix the mic problem again, apparently I can send it away to get fixed. Although I guess I'll have to reset and all, hide root and all that. Don't even know how, nor do I want to be phone-less, so help will still be very appreciated.
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1. No one calling me can hear me unless I use speakerphone.
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Sounds like a defect to me ... I would try to get an exchange. Maybe first compre with another SGS2 in a shop.
2. When listening to music on my massive Sennheiser headphones I can't hear much at all.
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That's pretty normal with mobile devices, which usually have an output impedance of 32 Ohm. Large HiFi headphones are optimized for much more powerfull amplifiers and so have an impedance of 250 Ohm or even more. This results in much lower volume, if high impedance headphones are used on mobile devices like phones, notebooks or MP3 players.
A further reason is, that the SGS2 has lower maximum volume, than several competitors ... seems to be limited by software.
Download Poweramp from the market ... it's worth every cent, but there's also a time limited demo. This app has a nice preamp, which allows you to raise the overall volume and it's equalizer is also very good.
I use Ogg Vorbis (224 bitrate) songs with this app combined with an AKG K319, the best mobile headphones I ever tried ... much better than even most big Sennheisers ... that being said from a former Sennheiser fan For home HiFi I recommend Beyerdynamic DT880 or DT990. Try these headphones and you'll sell your Sennheiser
The combination of Ogg Vorbis (MP3 sucks in comparison), AKG and Poweramp give me fantastic sound quality!
And don't use Metallica for testing ... their records are highly compressed ... complete junk from an accustically perspective, because all dynamics are compressed away. Google for "audio compressor" and you'll understand.
i use a combination of poweramp with a 'smiley face' or 'rocl' equalizer setting and volume+ with +3 and good quality equalizer settings.
makes my koss portapros truly shine in terms of volume and clarity.
First off, lemme say thanks for the replies. 'Preciate it.
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Sounds like a defect to me ... I would try to get an exchange. Maybe first compre with another SGS2 in a shop.
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Possibly, it's been awhile since I got it though and I dunno where I put my receipt so I sort of doubt the shop will care. And defect or not, I feel it's more a software/firmware issue as I truly was able to fix it at some point.
That's pretty normal with mobile devices, which usually have an output impedance of 32 Ohm. Large HiFi headphones are optimized for much more powerfull amplifiers and so have an impedance of 250 Ohm or even more. This results in much lower volume, if high impedance headphones are used on mobile devices like phones, notebooks or MP3 players.
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Hmm, didn't know that. Still doesn't explain why my headphones worked amazingly with my old iPhone but terrible with this. :c Not that I bought these headphones for taking out and about, rather bulky. Might hafta buy some others..
A further reason is, that the SGS2 has lower maximum volume, than several competitors ... seems to be limited by software.
Download Poweramp from the market ... it's worth every cent, but there's also a time limited demo. This app has a nice preamp, which allows you to raise the overall volume and it's equalizer is also very good.
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Yeah, I gathered as when I used a similar app called Volume+ I found it quite capable of better sound. That's why I'd like some help with changing the Samsung audio settings. I know my way around them, but there's so many opions and changeable things I'm not sure what to do. I'll give Poweramp a look.
I use Ogg Vorbis (224 bitrate) songs with this app combined with an AKG K319, the best mobile headphones I ever tried ... much better than even most big Sennheisers ... that being said from a former Sennheiser fan For home HiFi I recommend Beyerdynamic DT880 or DT990. Try these headphones and you'll sell your Sennheiser
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So cannot be arsed getting OGG versions ofall my music. xD And having to re-tag it all. If OGGs can even be tagged and have art. But yeah, way too much effort but I don't doubt you.
And don't use Metallica for testing ... their records are highly compressed ... complete junk from an accustically perspective, because all dynamics are compressed away. Google for "audio compressor" and you'll understand.
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Perhaps. But they're loud songs nonetheless, particularly the live ones. I can certainly hear the difference. Way too quiet on the SGS2. :c
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i use a combination of poweramp with a 'smiley face' or 'rocl' equalizer setting and volume+ with +3 and good quality equalizer settings.
makes my koss portapros truly shine in terms of volume and clarity.
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Using more than one app is even more than my not wanting to use one in the first place. Certainly wouldn't help battery life, as this all only matters when I'm travelling long distance and need music.
There are 2 microphones on the sgs2. One is on the bottom edge and one is on the top edge. The bottom one is for regular calls and is broken on your phone. The top one is for speakerphone, which is obviously working.
I suggest returning your phone under warranty as the volume issue is not normal either.
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Electroz said:
There are 2 microphones on the sgs2. One is on the bottom edge and one is on the top edge. The bottom one is for regular calls and is broken on your phone. The top one is for speakerphone, which is obviously working.
I suggest returning your phone under warranty as the volume issue is not normal either.
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They're not broken as such because as stated I was able to fiddle with some settings and get normal calls working fine, it just lost those settings after a reset. Some sort of firmware fault, I've heard of cases where people had the same issue back on the original SGS.
I could never get the warranty going. Samsung's website wouldn't recognise it at all. Never got around to trying to start the warranty manually. Probably too late now.
Also, to those who recommended Poweramp; I'm impressed. that's not a bad work around actually. Shame it doesn't have playlist support though.
EDIT: Oh, it does! perfect little app, thanks guys. Now I just need to find settings to fix my in-call volume issue then I'm all set.
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Using more than one app is even more than my not wanting to use one in the first place. Certainly wouldn't help battery life, as this all only matters when I'm travelling long distance and need music.
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volume+ has no perceptible hit on battery life fyi
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why dont you give it a try first. you could always kill it or uninstall it if it doesnt work out for you. it has a v small memory footprint btw.
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volume+ has no perceptible hit on battery life fyi
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why dont you give it a try first. you could always kill it or uninstall it if it doesnt work out for you. it has a v small memory footprint btw.
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Ah alright, I might've imagined it. I'll use it if need-be, at least Poweramp seems to do the job as-is but thanks for the recommendation.
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Hmm, didn't know that. Still doesn't explain why my headphones worked amazingly with my old iPhone but terrible with this. :c Not that I bought these headphones for taking out and about, rather bulky. Might hafta buy some others..
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thats what you call impedance mismatch.
for example, my woodees in-ear sound excellent on an iphone/ipod. in fact, it is a match to a bose QC15 any day. however it sounds muffled on my laptop and sgs2.
its the complete opposite with my koss portapros which sound amazing on my laptops and sgs2 and sound just ok on the ipod.
there is most probably nothing wrong with both your headphones and phone, but just keep this in mind. it is one reason why certain audiophiles have more than one iem.
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forgot about your in-call issues, yes that could be a hardware problem.
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thats what you call impedance mismatch.
for example, my woodees in-ear sound excellent on an iphone/ipod. in fact, it is a match to a bose QC15 any day. however it sounds muffled on my laptop and sgs2.
its the complete opposite with my koss portapros which sound amazing on my laptops and sgs2 and sound just ok on the ipod.
there is most probably nothing wrong with both your headphones and phone, but just keep this in mind. it is one reason why certain audiophiles have more than one iem.
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What a pain in the arse. :c Had no idea audio could be so damn complicated.
At least Poweramp seems to make things loud enough. Might have to invest in some more portable headphones in the future though.
personally, id try to get your in-call volume issues sorted out first.
that just isnt right and could indeed point to a h/w defect.
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personally, id try to get your in-call volume issues sorted out first.
that just isnt right and could indeed point to a h/w defect.
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That basically is all I need sorting now. The underlying problem of the music volume may not be fixed, but the apps suggested here get around it fine.
I still don't think it was a hardware defect as I really did have it fixed at one point. Stupid reset. I think it's some semi-unique firm/software issue I have.
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Had no idea audio could be so damn complicated.
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That's the downside of the MP3 age ... most people don't know nothing about audio quality and what's worse, they don't know what they missed so far.
There are several lessons to learn:
1. MP3 sucks even at highest bitrate, because frequencies above 15 KHz are cut off and basses are always distorted if the music is a bit louder. If you have good audio hardware, MP3 sounds much worse than a good Audio CD.
2. Ogg Vorbis is a good compromise for mobile use compared to Flac with it's extremly large files. If you rip a CD with quality setting Q=7 (224 kbit) you won't hear a difference to the CD except when using a DDD recording on a high end HiFi home sytem and having yourself very trained ears And what's also nice is, the file size is similar to MP3.
And yes, you can use album art with Ogg ... embed it with Media Monkey on PC or if you rip a complete album to a folder, just place a JPG in that folder which has the same file name as the album title. Both Media Monkey and the SGS2 will show it (no matter if stock player or Poweramp). No need to mention, that all MP3 tags also can be embedded in Ogg.
3. Good audio hardware is needed ... and though the stock volume is a bit low on the SGS2, it's Yamaha audio engine is quite good. But the stock audio player is crap. It's impossible to get good equalization without distortion in the bass bands. But Poweramp solves this problem, if you set it up correctly.
So all that is missing now is a good headphone. The best mobile headphone with correct impedance you can get below 100$ nowadays is the AKG K319 ... though it ships with a hardcase and has fantastic sound, it's not very popular or let's say not well known, so you can get it really cheap ... got it for only 25 Euros
But if you are a bass junkie, the Koss Porta Pro might be the better choice. It has a little bit more bass response as the AKG, but is more bulky and can't compete with the AKG's sound "crispness" in middle and high frequency bands.
Conclusion: After already switching to Poweramp, Ogg and a good mobile headphone will give give you a second WOW effect
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Conclusion: After already switching to Poweramp, Ogg and a good mobile headphone will give give you a second WOW effect
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Very interesting. I knew some of that, but not quite to that extent. Regardless though, the sheer time it'd take me to replace my songs..ugh, I shudder at the thought. Also I prefer mp3 and m4a for cross-system compatibility and iTunes use. Still my fave way of organising and listening to music I'm almost ashamed to say.
That being said, I installed Winamp just for transferring my music and playlists onto my SGS2 properly.
I'll keep the headphones in mind, but Poweramp itself solves the bulk of that problem. x3 Now if only I could fix my major problem.
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Also I prefer mp3 and m4a for cross-system compatibility and iTunes use.
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MP3 will die over time, not only because it sounds horrible. The main reason are the licence fees, devs and manufacturers have to pay ... Ogg on the other hand is free ... did you notice, that nearly all newer devices suport Ogg?
It can understand, that switching a large archive to Ogg can be a lot of work, but it's zero hassle to use Ogg for new material.
I highly recommend to compare the sound quality.
Now if only I could fix my major problem.
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You mentioned, that you found a fix, but a reboot resets it. Do you use the latest firmware or a custom ROM?
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MP3 will die over time, not only because it sounds horrible. The main reason are the licence fees, devs and manufacturers have to pay ... Ogg on the other hand is free ... did you notice, that nearly all newer devices suport Ogg?
It can understand, that switching a large archive to Ogg can be a lot of work, but it's zero hassle to use Ogg for new material.
I highly recommend to compare the sound quality.
You mentioned, that you found a fix, but a reboot resets it. Do you use the latest firmware or a custom ROM?
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Yeah, I don't doubt it. Gotta love that open source. I might investigate more into ogg files when I have more spare time.
As for the firmware, I believe I updated to a latest one. At least I don't think it was custom, looked the same as the stock, stupid TouchWiz and all. Only updated to root it basically. 'Cause I think my stock rom was an Optus mutated version basically, so couldn't root it. Something like that.
Lets check the settings..hmm...Android Version: 2.3.3, Baseband Version: I9100XXKDJ, Kernel Version: 2.6.35.7-I9100XWEK2-CL187606 [email protected] #2, Build Number: GINGERBREAD.XWKE2.
That's all I know.
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I might investigate more into ogg files when I have more spare time.
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One last word about Ogg ... it's only superior to MP3 at 224 KBit and above!
At least I don't think it was custom, ...
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You think? Where did you get it from? I only updated by OTA ... staying stock so far.
maybe 2.3.5 will fix that
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One last word about Ogg ... it's only superior to MP3 at 224 KBit and above!
You think? Where did you get it from? I only updated by OTA ... staying stock so far.
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I tend to only have MP3s above 192kbps, mostly higher, so I guess I'll know to keep the trend for oggs.
And yes, I believe so. The OTA updating thing didn't work. Again, I believe, because it was an Optus-edited firmware.
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Perhaps. If I update again does it keep my root or will I have to do that again?
EDIT: Okay, Poweramp works fine, and I also see types of headphones are to blame. Like the earphones that came with the phone are fine. They have 3 notches on the plug as opposed to 2. I'd say that's a fair indication. Anyway, can consider this problem solved.
Also I've been told my warranty was indeed automatic, so if I truly cannot fix the mic problem again, apparently I can send it away to get fixed. Although I guess I'll have to reset and all, hide root and all that. Don't even know how, nor do I want to be phone-less, so help will still be very appreciated.
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But if you are a bass junkie, the Koss Porta Pro might be the better choice. It has a little bit more bass response as the AKG, but is more bulky and can't compete with the AKG's sound "crispness" in middle and high frequency bands.
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I agree with most everything you said except your comments on the koss portapros.
Unlike most iem's, the koss us not bass heavy and in fact shines in separation, natural sound reproduction and over all warness and crispness. It is definitely not a headphone for bass heads.
I like listening to modern music with a lot of strings and I get a lot of separation in the high frequencies.
Like i said I've compared it to a Boss quiet comfort 15 and senn 555's.
Your akg is very good too, but at a third of the price less, i personally feel the koss is a better buy.
And that's why it's design has been the same for the past 25 years
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Anyone who knows car audio or home audio knows what clipping/distortion is...
Some argue the fact that clipping doesn't kill a sub woofer, over powering does...
Well its proven even with proper voltage and rated RMS with a clipped signal can damage your speakers/woofers
I have found both in car audio and home audio "bass boost" does nothing but harm... And with most of the roms running software never intended for our phone (Beats) it CAN do more harm than good...
I have had a minor mishap with using beats enabled on my 3d and my prized car audio
I am not blaming any of the developers for this as its my own fault, but I am warning the general public that dont use a Oscope or any proper tuning method to test gains and home receivers/amps to avoid beats audio at all cost...
This isn't just about the volume that I listen to music, its the quality and for beats audio there is none..
(this isn't for the people with headphones rated at 8ohms +)
This is for people who value there investments weather it be home audio/car audio... The software (beats audio) creates distortion and clipping even at low volumes...
Let this thread die or debate... I can easily get proof when I get over to my friends house with his Oscope
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Anyone who knows car audio or home audio knows what a clipping/distortion is...
Some argue the fact that clipping doesn't kill a sub woofer, over powering does...
Well its proven even with proper voltage and rated RMS with a clipped signal can damage your speakers/woofers
I have found both in car audio and home audio "bass boost" does nothing but harm... And with most if the roms running software never intended for our phone (Beats) it CAN do more harm than good...
I have had a minor mishap with using beats enabled on my 3d and my prized car audio
I am not blaming any of the developers for this as its my own fault, but I am warning the general public that dont use a Oscope or any proper tuning method to test gains and home receivers/amps to avoid beats audio at all cost...
This isn't just about the volume that I listen to music, its the quality and for beats audio there is none..
(this isn't for the people with headphones rated at 8ohms +)
This is for people who value there investments weather it be home audio/car audio... The software (beats audio) creates distortion and clipping even at low volumes...
Let this thread die or debate... I can easily get proof when I get over to my friends house with his Oscope
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Hey Nate,
Oh man, that sucks. In the end, people will want their beats, lol. My condolences for your car audio system. :-(
Nothing major happened as I properly tune my system with a $2000 oscope but a second longer and all 4 of my Fi audio 15" BL's would have been toast
This isn't to scare (normal?) people who use it for headphones or audio applications that don't require extensive tuning/massive power and money
Just a warning to those who spent a few grand on there audio and can't afford to get it tuned properly....
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Nothing major happened as I properly tune my system with a $2000 oscope but a second longer and all 4 of my Fi audio 15" BL's would have been toast
This isn't to scare (normal?) people who use it for headphones or audio applications that don't require extensive tuning/massive power and money
Just a warning to those who spent a few grand on there audio and can't afford to get it tuned properly....
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Oh, I thought for the worse.
It's much appreciated that you would let the community know, then rather "let people learn their lesson".
That's awesome you have a friend with an Oscope by the way.
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Oh, I thought for the worse.
It's much appreciated that you would let the community know, then rather "let people learn their lesson".
That's awesome you have a friend with an Oscope by the way.
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I freaking hate beats...
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I thought beats was awesome at first. Think it was placebo affect. Then when i switched back to normal it sounded so much better. **** beats
Hate to be rude, but why did you run beats through your expensive system that already was loud af, beats is like turning the bass all the way up on ur eq... Of course it was gonna f 4 15" woofers up....
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I'm not totally sure why people want it.
Beats headphones are, by audiophiles, rated terribly. They do not sound good because they're engineered (poorly) for HipHop.
Naturally, audio tweaks designed for bad headphones will produce bad results.
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Hate to be rude, but why did you run beats through your expensive system that already was loud af, beats is like turning the bass all the way up on ur eq... Of course it was gonna f 4 15" woofers up....
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To test it... And it didn't **** anything up... Wanted to test quality of it... And it clips @ low volumes..
Obviously I'm not gonna just plug and play with a system like mine... This is food for the people that use there phone to play music off of that have loud ass systems and don't have all the knowledge of what there dealing with...
I've blown enough subs and threw money down the toilet enough to not wanna see people coming in blaming developers because they don't understand what a little distortion/clipping is and how bad it is.. and yeah beats is about the worst thing as it only increases low frequency spectrums on the phones internal eq which intern increases the frequencies that the receiver/radio send to the amp...
Like I said even at LOW volumes (25% of max) it sends a long flat signal... NO GOOD!
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i use a little Dot mkIII tube amp to power my v-moda crossfade lp and beats makes my podcasts and music sound ****ty, even through my Vsonic gr07's beats sounds crap. i intentionally find roms that do not use beats
I use PowerAmp and have set the EQ correctly and it sounds better. though i dont often listen through my Evo 3d but i do for podcasts. my Cowon J3 is better for music
My right speaker sounds like sh!t now.
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Nate speaks the truth
I have loved car audio for years. I have been more of a SQ than SPL person. But, now that I have a family my car audio purchases have really dialed back.
But, in my modest system "Beats" did nothing but add distortion and sound like a$$. It might be good for cheap non powered headphones. But the EQ curve it puts is not natural and really just screws up the sounds. It also causes a lot of distortion.
You might not instantly blow speakers but they will die a premature death. If you want more bass and clearer tweets just buck up. There is no worder app to make you Super Blues sound like JL Audios or your phillips earbuds sound like sienhauser headphones.
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To test it... And it didn't **** anything up... Wanted to test quality of it... And it clips @ low volumes..
Obviously I'm not gonna just plug and play with a system like mine... This is food for the people that use there phone to play music off of that have loud ass systems and don't have all the knowledge of what there dealing with...
I've blown enough subs and threw money down the toilet enough to not wanna see people coming in blaming developers because they don't understand what a little distortion/clipping is and how bad it is.. and yeah beats is about the worst thing as it only increases low frequency spectrums on the phones internal eq which intern increases the frequencies that the receiver/radio send to the amp...
Like I said even at LOW volumes (25% of max) it sends a long flat signal... NO GOOD!
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Audio lovers shouldn't be using their phones as a playback device anyway, especially not connected to a car stereo. If you're broke, I understand, but if you have any sort of a system, and didn't use any of that money on a good playback device, for shame...
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Audio lovers shouldn't be using their phones as a playback device anyway, especially not connected to a car stereo. If you're broke, I understand, but if you have any sort of a system, and didn't use any of that money on a good playback device, for shame...
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Why?
I have a cheap HP touchpad I use for most music playback.... But there are days that I forget it... Or it dies...
I can't play cds because they skip... And I refuse to buy a ipod... So my phone/tablet it is......
Why put a 3.5mm jack in it If I can't use it?
I need you to delve a little deeper on your logic
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It works best with beats headphones. Otherwise its useless.
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Why put a 3.5mm jack in it If I can't use it?
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Nothing wrong with a 3.5mm jack, it's what you're using to push the audio. Generally phones and tablets don't have the greatest DACs, and I don't think any Android device allows you to send the audio the audio as a line-out/unamplified signal
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It works best with beats headphones. Otherwise its useless.
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Sound clips with beats enabled and beats studio headphones.
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Nothing wrong with a 3.5mm jack, it's what you're using to push the audio. Generally phones and tablets don't have the greatest DACs, and I don't think any Android device allows you to send the audio the audio as a line-out/unamplified signal
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The amplified signal isn't the problem... Hence why you tune with a Oscope or some other distortion director..
Obviously any audio outup(mp3 player,phones,tablets) is gonna have a amplified signal even if its flat...
It's the fact that even with my 1200 dollar alpine double din adjusting for the major spike in the low frequencies from the "beats" does nothing as it still sends a clipped signal...
(resolution don't use beats)
I'm just warning people in a much smaller spectrum than you think, that uses it to push audio to expensive equipment they don't wanna buy in 2 months after the coils melt... I have to recone my subs once a year to get the scores I want on a termlab... And tune and test and build every year...
Id hate to see people who listen to systems daily make a mistake because they think beats audio enabled will make it that much louder
Funny how every phone I used or eq I used with the phone i could ALL WAYS find a median where there is no clipping signal from the phone,to the deck, to the amp,then to the woofers...
My main argument is beats enabled sends clipping even with proper tuning...
I know some equalizers have a "clipping/no clipping" setting I'm just wondering if the sofware its self is set to distort... Again most people don't care because they use it for headphones...
I mean no offence to anyone... Just figured is throw my findings out there!
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Anyone who knows car audio or home audio knows what clipping/distortion is...
Some argue the fact that clipping doesn't kill a sub woofer, over powering does...
Well its proven even with proper voltage and rated RMS with a clipped signal can damage your speakers/woofers
I have found both in car audio and home audio "bass boost" does nothing but harm... And with most of the roms running software never intended for our phone (Beats) it CAN do more harm than good...
I have had a minor mishap with using beats enabled on my 3d and my prized car audio
I am not blaming any of the developers for this as its my own fault, but I am warning the general public that dont use a Oscope or any proper tuning method to test gains and home receivers/amps to avoid beats audio at all cost...
This isn't just about the volume that I listen to music, its the quality and for beats audio there is none..
(this isn't for the people with headphones rated at 8ohms +)
This is for people who value there investments weather it be home audio/car audio... The software (beats audio) creates distortion and clipping even at low volumes...
Let this thread die or debate... I can easily get proof when I get over to my friends house with his Oscope
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I wouldn't say beats was never intended for our phone. Were the same as the sensation spec wise and its over there.
While I don't argue with your other points, but the one I question is not valid really.
Other than that decent post here!
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Thanks to dsp manager, I up the the bass real high when headsets are plugged in and thanks to the ibeats being able to produce high amounts of bass, my music on the phone sounds amazing!
I was wondering if anyone's ibeats have blown out because the bass was set too high? If not, I may be the first to report this in the future lol, hope not.
I have heard them pop with some frequencies when the bass was up, but I have maxed them out and I don't think they will blow. Hey since the headphones came with the phone are they covered under the year warranty? Or do they have one from monster?
I have to make this quick. If you want more info send me a message.
The only thing that will blow any speaker is distortion which you will hear.
Never turn the volume up all the way. At this setting the sound will likely not be clean and clear but it has nothing to do with volume. Most audio sources will distort at full volume. If you want it louder use an app like PowerAmp and increase the preamp output instead.
If its still not loud enough get a headphone amp! I have one and the iBeats will go so loud it actually hurts my ears after a few minutes.
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I have heard them pop with some frequencies when the bass was up, but I have maxed them out and I don't think they will blow. Hey since the headphones came with the phone are they covered under the year warranty? Or do they have one from monster?
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Don't quote me on this but I remember reading that they are covered.
Yes, they are covered. I was having problems with the control module on the headphones - the play'pause/talk button, specifically. I called Verizon and they told me I could take them to any official Verizon store - not the "authorized dealers, but an actual VZW location - and get them replaced.
The second pair works beautifully but I'm planning on selling them. I'm going to pick up a pair of the Beats Tour earbuds, which will also work with the phone.
And one last item of curiosity - I plugged in my Shure se110 headphones to my Rezound last week and, to my surprise, Beats Audio fired up. Pretty cool.
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Yes, they are covered. I was having problems with the control module on the headphones - the play'pause/talk button, specifically. I called Verizon and they told me I could take them to any official Verizon store - not the "authorized dealers, but an actual VZW location - and get them replaced.
The second pair works beautifully but I'm planning on selling them. I'm going to pick up a pair of the Beats Tour earbuds, which will also work with the phone.
And one last item of curiosity - I plugged in my Shure se110 headphones to my Rezound last week and, to my surprise, Beats Audio fired up. Pretty cool.
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If you use the music player with any pair of headphones, the beats equalizer can/will be enabled on the phone
I have a Sony A2DP head in my truck... 300 watt amp, 12" sub, yada yada. Beats Audio DSP bumps, earbuds or no earbuds. And Pandora is thumping too.
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Btw, I have the volume cranked to max on my Rezound and only control volume from my Sony head. ROCKS!
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If you use the music player with any pair of headphones, the beats equalizer can/will be enabled on the phone
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It doesn't even have to be headphones, I plug mine into iPod speakers, studio monitors.. as long as there's something in the headphone Jack.
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pmania said:
It doesn't even have to be headphones, I plug mine into iPod speakers, studio monitors.. as long as there's something in the headphone Jack.
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Yupp exactly. I plug my car audio into the phone all the time and beats audio gets enabled when ever I use the stock music player
j0hnnyn said:
Yupp exactly. I plug my car audio into the phone all the time and beats audio gets enabled when ever I use the stock music player
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Lol I almost destroyed my cousins car today. Little too much bass
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From playing around with my Xperia I noticed that it had a great looking music player, so I thought I'd give it a proper spin today. I've been on the lookout for something to replace my old Creative Zen for a while and I must say, I'm very impressed.
I wouldn't call myself a full-blown audiophile but I'm definitely quite fussy about sound quality. I was initially quite surprised at how good the Xperia S sounded, but didn't quite believe it at first because I've never had a good experience with mobile phone audio. However, having just tested it against my Zen, I can confirm that it sounds very good indeed.
There is perhaps slightly more hiss on the Xperia (only audible at high volumes), but the bass in particular sounds a lot deeper and more detailed, and I'm also starting to notice other little details of the music in the background - always a sign of a good audio player.
Better still, it supports gapless playback, which is something that very few media players seem to have.
Anyone else using their Xperia for music?
I really think they missed a trick though. The should of supplied the phones with decent headphones like they use to.
Malner27 said:
I really think they missed a trick though. The should of supplied the phones with decent headphones like they use to.
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By the time they release their LiveSound they'll properly add it to their latest shipments
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I think it's because the eq. curve is quite flat(so you can hear more detail, because all frequencies have the same intensity), and the impedance is high (so less level pressure and more dinamic)
Remember sony is one of the best home audio constructor
Which independance do you mean?
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See this thread, I made a big post on the last page there.
i got the live sound smart headset with xperia s.... i bought mine the first week the phone was released in the UK.
How does the battery do when playing MP3? The reason I've never really used my phone for music is because the battery already struggles to make it through the day, so playing MP3s through it as well just makes things worse.
dixter said:
How does the battery do when playing MP3? The reason I've never really used my phone for music is because the battery already struggles to make it through the day, so playing MP3s through it as well just makes things worse.
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Not a big hit, really! The big hit comes from me fiddling with the display all the time to switch tracks
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How does the battery do when playing MP3? The reason I've never really used my phone for music is because the battery already struggles to make it through the day, so playing MP3s through it as well just makes things worse.
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Depends, if you stress the amp with high impedance headphones you'll have battery issues, but normal buds it wont be a problem.
The sound quality compared to my Cowon i5 mp3 player is very dull!
Cowon has a nice sound output, but telling it is VERY dull is a bit over the top ...
sony devices always have a clear output also when there is a lot of bass the higher tones do not get lost.
Its not over the top, I tell it how I hear it.
Tried it with cheap-ish Klipsch in ear buds, over ear Sennheiser HD 25-1 II & Grado SR60.
I wanted the phone to perform I have no reason not to but unfortunately it doesn't compare.
I have a set of PXC 250-II with noise reduction ( bass is enhanced ) the phones sounds very good...
better then may desire ?
Yes.
Better then an Ithingy ...
Yes.
I do suffer bad battery life .
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I have a set of PXC 250-II with noise reduction ( bass is enhanced ) the phones sounds very good...
better then may desire ?
Yes.
Better then an Ithingy ...
Yes.
I do suffer bad battery life .
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Most likely the drain is caused by the EQ.
Pity most headphones only come with specialised controllers for iSomething and not Android devices
I dont think the drain is the EQ. I've tested it with three players and its pretty clear that the drain is the headphones.
This is a mobile phone, most people will be using Earphones or small consumer headphones. As such the amplifier in the phone is designed to power such things. If you plug in larger headphones which take far more power to operate(4mm driver at 150ohm vs 40mm driver at 300Ohm!) you will see a battery drain.
I use CX-300II's when I'm out and about and they're a great mix of value/sound quality/power consumption. Worth checking out.
I've had the cx300 II's. While they sound good they broke fairly quick. I think after about 5 months use or so. Problem was with the cable.
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RiotRick said:
I've had the cx300 II's. While they sound good they broke fairly quick. I think after about 5 months use or so. Problem was with the cable.
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3rd set, so yeah. But they've lasted longer than any other pair I have used. The cable is thinner than most but far stronger than many other brands.
I have noticed some definite battery drainage when using the MP3 player, but definitely nowhere near as fast as when doing something with the screen.
Having said that, the music player is so pretty I keep finding myself fiddling around with it, and I'm also experimenting a lot with EQs.
I have no doubt a Cowon player does sound better. I may actually buy one if I fill up my phone. But the Xperia still sounds a lot better than my old Creative Zen, and that until recently still managed to beat any other MP3 playing device I'd listened to, including the iPhone 4S.
I dont think its a very good music player. Before i get a text the music will skip. Also sometimes when the phone is playing music and asleep, when i go back in a open an app the player will skip. Not the best
Anyone else noticing how poor the max volume level is on this phone? I like my music loud in my eyes with headphones and I just can't push it with this phone. Anyone have any fixes to this or use any apps?
Here's a great solution if you like loud music.
FIIO E06 Portable Amplifier
About $25 from Amazon
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Try Apollo+ app
Using this solved my problem
Or use PowerAmp with custom eq preset.
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Turned out my headphones were busted. My new seinhessiers (sp) were just delivered and phone is very loud.
I didn't know you could listen to music through your eyes...
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SteevCriss said:
Try Apollo+ app
Using this solved my problem
Or use PowerAmp with custom eq preset.
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Is it working?
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Is it working?
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PowerAmp provides a small boost, which makes the puny LG headset just loud enough. Sennheiser speakers generally seem to be louder, though most of them have 32ohms impedance, 16ohms should be louder, theoretically. I like oldskool headphones without silicone plugs, i don´t think the new ones will last one decade like my Sennheiser MX550. I just bough MX400 MS for less than 10 Euros, looking cheaper than the MX550s, they provide the same sound quality and volume.
The LGs headset plug is Apple compatible, without an adapter to switch mic & GND connectors, Samsung and Sony stuff won´t work. Nokia´s needs the adapter to play music w/o distortion, but control buttons will never work.